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There is an old saying about the facts speaking for themselves. This morning, they are both eloquent and condemnatory.
After 59 minutes of last night’s Wallabies v Scotland game in Newcastle, Wallabies No.8 Scott Higginbotham – working off a solid attacking 5m scrum – chose to run down a narrow blindside against the slight wheel of the set-piece and straight into the voracious Scotland back row.
Three minutes later, debutant Mike Harris was penalised for obstruction after a series of Wallabies attacks were repelled.
After 64 minutes, Australia botched a lineout drive and isolated captain David Pocock was blown up for holding on as Scotland’s replacement halfback, Chris Cusiter, attempted to rip the ball free.
In the 65th minute, Dave Dennis – a hearty contributor to the forward exchanges – was replaced by coach Robbie Deans for debutant Michael Hooper. Dennis had played in heavy conditions against the Hurricanes just three days previously as part of astonishingly unhelpful preparation window.
Almost immediately, a momentum shift in the scrum battle was perceptible. Australia’s left-hand side now consisted of James Slipper, who had played most of the Super season on the tight-head, replacement second-rower Rob Simmons and debutant Hooper. The most senior of that trio is 23, and they opposed seasoned tight-head Euan Murray, a British and Irish Lion.
Five minutes later, Australia were again penalised at the breakdown, with Digby Ioane hanging on to the ball with support slow to arrive – despite Scotland’s attack on the breakdown being signposted in neon before the game.
After 70 minutes, Dan Palmer, who had enjoyed a highly promising debut, was replaced by Ben Alexander, who took his place on the tight-head side, where he has served limited duty at the Brumbies this season. After two scrum collapses the Wallabies managed to clear the ball.
Two minutes later, Berrick Barnes skewed an attempted drop goal badly, hitting it wide right from about 30m from the sticks.
In the 75th minute, Harris connected horribly with a penalty on halfway and the ball hit the turf as it reached the posts. From the resulting re-start Barnes overcooked a bomb and Scotland took a mark inside their 22 to clear their lines.
Shortly afterwards, Harris launched a fateful, badly misjudged up-and-under inside his own 10m line that bounced beyond the Scotland in-goal area, bringing play all the way back to the same spot.
From the set-piece it was clear the visitors had sensed blood in the water. They drove the Australia scrum backwards by two metres before Slipper folded inwards, but referee Jaco Peyper’s call was play on.
After multiple phases against some passive defence, a misread on the right-hand side by another debutant, Joe Tomane, allowed Greig Laidlaw to make a half-break and the Scots advanced to the 22m.
From there, after the hooter had sounded, they set the scrums that decided the game.
The first one drove the Wallabies back three metres before they disintegrated and somehow avoided the penalty. But Peyper was just loading the bullet for the re-set.
Alexander has been named as the culprit for the next collapse in some dispatches, but the replay showed him to be still standing while Slipper, under immense pressure from Murray, had nowhere to go but down. Camera angles behind the set-piece revealed that culpability rested on other shoulders, too.
Hooper, showing the naivety of a newcomer, was a virtual non-contributor to the pushing effort, hanging off the side of the scrum in anticipation of a Scottish attack that was never going to come. Beside him, Simmons was caught horribly off balance by the initial hit and never recovered.
It was an grimly appropriate conclusion to a 21-minute spell in which saw the basics of Test rugby – ball security, kicking, set-piece – collapse one by one until only ruins remained.
As for the weather, it is a global game played in winter.
Besides, Australia had coped admirably in the opening 40.
None of the names mentioned above stand accused as individuals. From the sheer weight of errors it is clear this was a collective malfunction: a folly agreed to by the ARU, implemented (you sense with misgivings) by the coach and carried out by the players with deteriorating belief as the game wore on.
Congratulations to Scotland.
They are traditionally allocated the role of fighters, but the battle of the brain belonged to them as well. Australia were outwitted by the selection of dual opensides John Barclay and Ross Rennie.
For Australia, only misery.
Forget about the Wales series. Each Test should carry its own value. This is what abject failure looks like, pure and simple. Now the fans who pay the wages wait to see what accountability looks like.
Paul Cully is a freelance journalist who was born in New Zealand, raised in Northern Ireland, but spent most of his working life in Australia. He is a former Sun-Herald sports editor, rugby tragic, and current Roar and RugbyHeaven contributor.
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June 6th 2012 @ 6:10am
Riccardo said | June 6th 2012 @ 6:10am | Report comment
Scathing Paul but accurate.
Well done Scotland.
Wallaby scrummaging continues to be an achilles heel and to be fair they should have known what to expect with dual opensides being selected by Scotland, as it something they have done themselves in the past.
On a positive note this should make the Wales series more interesting.
June 6th 2012 @ 11:57am
jeznez said | June 6th 2012 @ 11:57am | Report comment
Spot on scrum analysis from Paul.
I would have liked Slipper at least try to stay square, yes he had no support from Hooper and Simmons but that is no reason to drop his shoulder and roll in the way he did. He has to just stay square and hope the guys can get back in and support him.
June 6th 2012 @ 6:10pm
Phil said | June 6th 2012 @ 6:10pm | Report comment
Hi jeznez, I am surprised by Paul’s analysis of the final scrums. I thought that in the second last scrum it went through the 90, although the Wallaby scrum fell apart a bit so maybe that didn’t count?
In the last scrum the Scottish prop took it down. Did you see it differently?
Scots deserve all the credit regardless as the Wallabies had enough chances and shouldn’t have let the game hang in the balance until the final play.
June 7th 2012 @ 12:48am
jeznez said | June 7th 2012 @ 12:48am | Report comment
Refs have been ridiculously poor at calling the through 90 for years, they almost never give it anymore. So yes the thing went nearly 180 but Peyper was saying that he wasn’t going to guess – I translated that to mean he wasn’t sure if Alexander was pulling backwards which is a penalty to Scotland, or holding while the left side came up which is a feed to Australia.
In that last scrum I thought it was pretty obvious that Slipper felt uncomfortable and turned his left shoulder in – I rewound and watched it in replay to see if Murray had pulled him down and was comfortable that he hadn’t. I don’t think Murray did anything to fight to keep him up but I’m comfortable that it was Slipper who dropped it and the penalty was justified.
June 7th 2012 @ 1:19am
bluerose said | June 7th 2012 @ 1:19am | Report comment
hey jeznez i didnt watch the game so please tell me did Timani, Tomane, Palmer and Dennis play well?, it would be interesting to know because i had high hopes for the 4of them to be regular Wallaby test players in the future.
June 7th 2012 @ 9:19am
Phil said | June 7th 2012 @ 9:19am | Report comment
Now that you mention it, I haven’t seen the through the 90 call for a long while. I think the first scrum and the way the Scots had cleverly worked their way into that field position may have had a bearing on the second scrum. But still feel like Slipper didn’t go down first. Anyway it will be interesting to see how the scrum performs on Sat and who makes up the front row.
June 7th 2012 @ 11:18pm
Phil said | June 7th 2012 @ 11:18pm | Report comment
hi again had another look at the last scrum – the Scottish prop definitely took it down. Slipper ends up on top of him and when Slipper gets up the Scot is still on the ground! Still think the Scots deserved the win, but that was not the right call based on that last scrum alone.
And Paul’s call about Hooper is clutching at straws, he only came off the side when the scrum was going down.
June 8th 2012 @ 8:53am
jeznez said | June 8th 2012 @ 8:53am | Report comment
Phil, if you watch it again just focus on Slippers left shoulder – he rolls it in. That isn’t Murray dropping him, that is Slipper turning inside. Slipper does that and keeps his hips up as his shoulders lower so he winds up on top even though he is the one dropping the scrum.
I’m an Aussie fan, I would be happier if the Scots had cheated their way to that penalty but it just isn’t what happened.
June 6th 2012 @ 2:11pm
Aware said | June 6th 2012 @ 2:11pm | Report comment
There might be a silver lining to the loss in that it will identify who the pretenders are and who the contenders are before the international season gets into swing.
June 6th 2012 @ 6:41pm
Pot Hale said | June 6th 2012 @ 6:41pm | Report comment
Eh…. the international season is in swing.
June 7th 2012 @ 12:49am
jeznez said | June 7th 2012 @ 12:49am | Report comment
Pot – did you watch the game, according to Kearnsy the Irish were massively involved in that match!
June 6th 2012 @ 6:23am
bruski said | June 6th 2012 @ 6:23am | Report comment
The Wallabies that played were far from full strength and we only had 2 training sessions before the game. Plus some of the boys playing had only a few days rest from the last game.
On top of that the worst conditions for a test match that I can remember that suited the Scots more that it would the Wallabies.
Remembering we cannot put our best team out to face Scotland if we want our best team ready to go for Wales on Saturday.
I have to ask, who sets these schedules, should have been set as a friendly or a ba-ba match – Not a test match.
Anyway, it will be a different team on Saturday against the Welsh and it will be wet, but I think the result will be with us.
June 6th 2012 @ 7:54am
Rabbitz said | June 6th 2012 @ 7:54am | Report comment
Blah Blah Blah
Excuses Excuses Excuses
These are extremely well paid professional players and administrators who should understand the game.
This was simply brain dead, poorly executed, mistake riddled, thoughtless and as un-innovative as it gets, rugby.
They spent most of the second term camped in the Scotland quarter and came up with what? Nothing, nada, zilch, SFA.
They were comprehensively out thought and out played by a far more committed, professional team.
Who, by the by, are exactly that, a team. The Wallabies are a loose gathering of somewhat talented players who just happened to have turned up wearing the same jersey.
June 6th 2012 @ 8:53am
Daz said | June 6th 2012 @ 8:53am | Report comment
Imagine if Deans was a builder and the Wallabies were his tradesmen. They build a house for you where nothing much is level or straight or plumb and some things aren’t even where they are supposed to be. Then when you query him he says ” sorry, it’s just not in our DNA” or “going forward we will learn and take a lot out of this”. How sympathetic would you be?
Simplistic analogy I know. Deans and his bunch of merry men have built a lot of houses for us now and it seems like they get maybe one out of three right. As an exasperated, frustrated supporter all I ask is that they know what their job is and just bloody do it.
June 6th 2012 @ 9:01am
sheek said | June 6th 2012 @ 9:01am | Report comment
Daz,
And while you’re at this analogy, don’t forget the architects (ARU) & council building inspectors (super rugby provinces).
They’ve all been asleep on their watch…..
June 6th 2012 @ 10:31am
Cattledog said | June 6th 2012 @ 10:31am | Report comment
Gee Sheek. I certainly hope you’re not going to argue that it’s not Dean’s fault. The buck rests fairly and squarely on his shoulders, regardless of the architects and building inspectors! Let’s just pray Deans does the admirable thing and falls on his sword.
When you can count on one hand the number of times more than one pass was made, regardless of the conditions, then I’m afraid all is lost. Surely there’s a mob in NZ that would be better suited to Deans draconian coaching methods.
Times up Robbie, you’re the weakest link, goodbye.
June 6th 2012 @ 1:36pm
sheek said | June 6th 2012 @ 1:36pm | Report comment
Cattledog,
I now fervently wish for Deans to be sacked immediately. Just so as his replacement will face all the same problems that Deans did.
C’mon, Link McKenzie is going to change the world, let’s get the next sucker in…..
Then I’ll be able to say – “I told you so, it’s not the coach, it’s the system”!!!
June 6th 2012 @ 8:53am
sheek said | June 6th 2012 @ 8:53am | Report comment
I believe this was precisely what Paul was saying, but far more purposely & eloquently…..
June 6th 2012 @ 7:04pm
werewolf said | June 6th 2012 @ 7:04pm | Report comment
not excuse. facts. have you not noticed neither SA or NZ are stupid enough to play a teusday test match before their matches this saturday?????????
June 6th 2012 @ 8:02am
Snobby Deans said | June 6th 2012 @ 8:02am | Report comment
bruski, all I’m reading here are excuses.
Wallabies are ranked No.2, against a team ranked No.12. Even with a B team (which it wasn’t – it was a blend of A and B team players), the Wallabies should have won. Rugby is a winter game, so forget the conditions – both teams have to play in the same conditions.
There are no excuses – and to suggest there are is just disrespectful to Scotland – not dissimilar to the excuses trotted out last year when Samoa won. Good to see some other posters have congratulated Scotland.
This is just deja-vu, remembering back to Samoa last year (which was played in perfect conditions). Even given that some of those players last night wouldn’t have been there had it been a full strength Wallabies team, do you really think that would have made a difference? Scotland can only play the team put out in front of them, and they got the win. Congratulations to them.
And if the Wallabies fall to Wales on the weekend, will the Scotland test be somehow complicit as part of that due to players backing up, focus being taken away solely from the Welsh, etc. As long as excuses are made, there will always be that crutch – oh, we would have won but for . . . . X, Y, Z.
It’d be great if, Wales do get up this weekend, that people can give credit where credit is due, rather than finding excuses. After all, thre are no guarantees in sport, and sometimes the underdogs do win, and deserve to win.
June 6th 2012 @ 8:39am
DingoBob said | June 6th 2012 @ 8:39am | Report comment
+1
June 6th 2012 @ 8:45am
Brett McKay said | June 6th 2012 @ 8:45am | Report comment
well said Snobby. Scotland deserve every plaudit imagineable this morning…
June 6th 2012 @ 9:19am
Jarmen said | June 6th 2012 @ 9:19am | Report comment
Hear hear Absolutely agree.
I alluded to this on Lordys article.
Its embarrassing that there are so many back handed compliments to Scotland followed by BUT.
Scotland fully deserved their victory they were the better team playing in exactly the same condition as the Wallabies.
I also find it interesting that people keep saying it was like playing at Murrayfield and it was like a home match for Scotland.
reality is they couldn’t get much further away from Scotland playing a match on the East Coast of Australia in front of a hostile crowd did you hear the booing when he lined up that last kick?
Now that should put an end to the NZ booing debacle.
Funnier still was the crowd booing Pocock in the first 40 when he took the shot at goal. Gee Australian fans are hard to please.
Sorry I digress but did anyone pay attention to the post match interview where the Scottish Captain put paid top to the myth that they actually like playing in those sort of conditions.
Contrary to common belief the Scots like to play on a dry track.
Another good win by the Scots on the otherside of the world where noone gave them an inkling of a chance except one commentator on Reunion leading into the test match an ex AB captain his name has escaped me at the moment.
June 6th 2012 @ 9:31am
Justin2 said | June 6th 2012 @ 9:31am | Report comment
I heard them booing Pocock, didnt hear the end. I dont think I heard anything but my brain screaming…
June 6th 2012 @ 9:55am
Jarmen said | June 6th 2012 @ 9:55am | Report comment
Oh they were booing alright and I was just laughing to myself about all the grief Kiwi posters have had to take from Aussies re booing during the WC.
I wonder if Kearns will get on his high horse and chastise his fellow countrymen…….. Yeah Right
Is booing your own team is a New South Wales thing or an Australian thing?
Because of all the booing incidents in Australia that I have seen this year against your own teams have occurred in NSW?
June 6th 2012 @ 11:03am
Denby said | June 6th 2012 @ 11:03am | Report comment
To be fair Jarmen, the crowd could have been booing the Wallabies poor performance. Booing is terrible but it is a human responce to communicate disappointment & frustration.
June 6th 2012 @ 11:33am
jeznez said | June 6th 2012 @ 11:33am | Report comment
The Brumbies fans have booed their side more than the Tahs have this year.
June 6th 2012 @ 12:17pm
Jarmen said | June 6th 2012 @ 12:17pm | Report comment
BS they were booing the Wallabies at that point, they were clearly trying to unsettle the Scotsman.
It never ceases to amaze me the excuses that come up when Australian fans engage in poor behaviour.
As for the Brumbies thats just embarrassing considering how well they are doing currently
Booing your own teams that’s worse than booing the opposition IMO
June 6th 2012 @ 1:12pm
Denby said | June 6th 2012 @ 1:12pm | Report comment
Jarmen,
You may have noticed the word “could” in my post. Would you like me to explain its definition?
I highly doubt you know the intention of every person who was booing at that ground.
June 6th 2012 @ 2:01pm
Riccardo said | June 6th 2012 @ 2:01pm | Report comment
Denby.
You’re living in denial.
After all the self-serving hypocritical garbage Kiwis have had to endure from you lot regarding our supposed humiliating conduct this was an obvious serving of Pocock and Scotland by your own and you should own it too.
Damo. Your pleasant enunciation from on-high won’t save you either. See above for reference…
June 6th 2012 @ 4:05pm
Mark W said | June 6th 2012 @ 4:05pm | Report comment
Jarmen, booing is a universal thing. I have been to dozens of rugby internationals in Edinburgh, Dublin, London, Cardiff, Paris as well as Australia, and seen the home teams win and lose there, and the one consitent thing is that pockets of fans boo both the oppostion and their own team. And the scots are no better or worse than the rest. So if you are on your high horse for condeming fans for booing, unless you condem your own, it is a bit rich..
June 7th 2012 @ 12:52pm
Jarmen said | June 7th 2012 @ 12:52pm | Report comment
Mark I never ever claimed the Scots didn’t boo what I said is that it puts paid to all the sh@t thrown at Kiwis re the booing of QC during the WC.
Only days ago many Australians were taking the moral highground and a holier than though attitude, What we witnessed on Tuesday night shows that Australians are no better than New Zealanders in this regard.
June 7th 2012 @ 1:07pm
Cattledog said | June 7th 2012 @ 1:07pm | Report comment
There is absolutely no correlation to the booing on Tuesday and the WC booing of QC. That was a personal attack on an individual, no question. The booing on Tuesday was as a result of a decision to go for goal rather than attack. A regular occurrence at most Super matches these days as we much prefer to see attacking rugby. Funnily enough, when the Wallabies decided to go for the line in the second half (an attempted 3 points may have been a better option), the crowd cheered. Can you see the difference? If you don’t, I will understand…
June 7th 2012 @ 2:21pm
Jarmen said | June 7th 2012 @ 2:21pm | Report comment
And still in Denial there CD I see.
Love it how you forget to mention the booing at the end when Scotland were lining up the winning kick.
Can you see the difference in your own ignorance, choosing to ignore certain points of a comment
Cherry Picking Much
Its ok CD I understand you don’t like to be shown up for poor sports but more than happy to label others namely Kiwis.
June 7th 2012 @ 3:03pm
Cattledog said | June 7th 2012 @ 3:03pm | Report comment
Well Jarmen, tell me precisely who they were booing? The kicker? He had a good game actually. You really don’t get it, do you. Not surprising. And yes, happy to label Kiwis, not all, many are actually great citizens of Australia. However, at the Chiefs vs Reds match I was absolutely disgusted at the Chiefs supporters having the temerity to boo the Reds as they ran out…onto their own stadium, and them not even in their birth country. Thankfully, they soon shut up! Your in a glass house mate, keep the rocks in your pocket.
June 7th 2012 @ 4:52pm
Jarmen said | June 7th 2012 @ 4:52pm | Report comment
Oh lord Cattledog you certainly make me laugh with your one eyed and jingoistic views.
Your countrymen booed the Scotish Kicker and you can not even man up and admit your own are just as Bad at booing and fathom up some other incident to bag kiwis.
Hell your countrymen booed their own wow how sad is that?
Your Guru status is a disgrace to the Roar.
About time you admit that your lot are no better than anyone else so its about time you got off that high horse CD.
You talk about Glasses houses
Ironic Much
June 7th 2012 @ 5:24pm
Cattledog said | June 7th 2012 @ 5:24pm | Report comment
Jarmen, please give the readers your take on why the Chiefs supporters booed the Reds as they ran onto Suncorp. The least you can do is articulate your position about sportsmanship. I repeat, the incidents are completely different. One was personal, the other an act of disappointment in the main.
You having to resort to a personal attack on my standing on the Roar adds nothing to your argument, but does cast doubt on your ability to articulate your argument. My lot, as you so eloquently put it do have a love of their country. Your lot, to use the vernacular, should perhaps express a little more gratitude for what this country provides you, starting with that loudmouthed bunch of Chief’s supporters at Suncorp.
June 7th 2012 @ 5:36pm
Jutsie said | June 7th 2012 @ 5:36pm | Report comment
Jarmen I dont know why you even brought this up, the article is nothing to do with which country has the worst supporters.
Booing kickers whilst they line-up a shot happens world wide, it also happens in basketball when a player takes a free throw or in soccer when a player takes a penalty.
But I have never seen before one player targeted non-stop by both the supporters and media of one country, even if cooper bought it on himself it was a poor look for the hosts of the show-piece tournament of our international game.
If you cant see the difference between the two incidents then its you that is ignorant not CD.
Its sad that your still trying to justify the behaviour of the minority of your countrymen 9 months later.
June 6th 2012 @ 12:38pm
Damo said | June 6th 2012 @ 12:38pm | Report comment
No Jarmen, one mob booing in one game for one kick will not put an end to the ‘NZ booing debacle’ When half a nation from the genteel elite to the baying mob combine to villify and abuse one player every time he touches the ball, as the adolescent side of new Zealand did last year, throughout a whole tournament, then we might have parity.
Till then, those justifying the adolescence (like you) will have to wait.
NZ are world champions ATM at rugby, and booing. And are not likely to be bested at either any time soon.
Congratulations to Scotland. They played better and deserved the win.
June 6th 2012 @ 12:41pm
mania said | June 6th 2012 @ 12:41pm | Report comment
in our defence it was fun booing quade
June 6th 2012 @ 1:37pm
blert said | June 6th 2012 @ 1:37pm | Report comment
And he did say bring it on, it makes me play better in one of the newspapers. I thought that was a little naïve at the time. And it was extremely funny. Booing encouragingly is what we called it.
June 6th 2012 @ 3:19pm
bmwwilliams said | June 6th 2012 @ 3:19pm | Report comment
mania, very fair point.
Quade is very boo-able.
He’s a non-tackling, cowardly, cheap shot artist. Hint: Kneeing someone in the head when you’re so wimpy you have to be hidden away in defence, is very boo-worthy.
I wanted to drive to Canberra the other week specifically to boo Quade.
At the end of the game, I noticed he was nice enough to flick the V’s at the crowd after young Zack Holmes missed his penalty shot, celebrating a win he contributed practically nothing to.
If anyone ever deserved a real, proper booing, it’s Quade.
June 6th 2012 @ 7:29pm
Misha said | June 6th 2012 @ 7:29pm | Report comment
It was so much fun booing Quade – he loved it – we loved it – he deserved it – everyone loved it…
June 7th 2012 @ 5:27am
mania said | June 7th 2012 @ 5:27am | Report comment
bmwwilliams – LMAO
June 6th 2012 @ 1:39pm
Jokerman said | June 6th 2012 @ 1:39pm | Report comment
Denby “Could” who are you kidding. Scotland lines up for a kick, the crowd boo’s and and Denby says” They could be booing Australia.”
June 6th 2012 @ 3:33pm
Sprigs said | June 6th 2012 @ 3:33pm | Report comment
It seems to me that the readiness of guys to defend the booing of one player in every game he played in the World Cup indicates that deep down they know it was shameful.
Rather than keep on trying to find excuses, they could just quickly agree that the continuous booing was against the spirit of rugby. That would help put an end to the matter.
June 6th 2012 @ 3:39pm
Jerry said | June 6th 2012 @ 3:39pm | Report comment
Seems to me that post like that are a pretty good reason to:
A) defend the booing; and
B) keep doing it.
If it gets up the noses of Aussie fans who sanctimoniously go on about the spirit of rugby etc, it’s a good thing.
June 6th 2012 @ 3:45pm
bmwwilliams said | June 6th 2012 @ 3:45pm | Report comment
Sprigs, I’m Australian, but for mine, backing out of what could be try-saving tackle (as Quade memorably did when faced with a rampaging Nonu during a Test last year) out of fear is against the spirit of rugby.
Kneeing the head of a much more accomplished and braver man while he is on the ground is against the spirit of rugby.
Being an arrogant loudmouth when you’re the biggest wimp in living memory to take to the field is against the spirit of rugby.
Do all that, and you deserve whatever you get.
June 6th 2012 @ 5:14pm
Damo said | June 6th 2012 @ 5:14pm | Report comment
Sprigs, yes acknowledgement might put an end to the matter.
But as can be seen by Jarmen and other’s comments that day may never come.
One of life’s little dissappointments. Oh well.
Apparently some Australians have been naughty little boys too, so NZers are allowed to smash wingers’ noses if they score, rip halfback’s legs apart, and spear tackle Irish centres. As one of my favourite players said ‘we’re not playing tiddlywinks here’ So why all this fuss about brushing Richies head with his knee, or whatever other flaky non-event?
Quade’s greatest crime was thumbing his nose at kiwi royalty during the s15 and 3N seasons. And also being a brilliant attacker. He was silly, cocky, rude, and foolish. And he should not have indulged in that risky behaviour on the field.
But his childish acts pale into insignificance up against those of the indignant and historically selective mob. That the nation that gave the world Richard Loe and Colin Meades shrieked ‘cowardly thug!’ at flaky Quade, beggars belief.
Cowardly behaviour by the mob (and the exAB drum beaters in the media) makes Quade’s public acts look comparatively brave. And they weren’t.
June 6th 2012 @ 10:08pm
smfc1874 said | June 6th 2012 @ 10:08pm | Report comment
Every crowd at every sporting event the world over has booed the opposition, their own players and the referee from time to time, so why is booing Cooper the wrong thing to do? Its not like he’s the only player who has even copped it from opposing fans. @Damo, so the wallabies are totally innocent in regards to dirty play? Remember Michael Brial? I’m sure punching Frank Bunce 10 times in the face for not much and getting away with it is fine, because its was against NZ.
June 7th 2012 @ 12:52am
jeznez said | June 7th 2012 @ 12:52am | Report comment
Brial didn’t get away with it – he got a very sore hand!
June 7th 2012 @ 5:38am
mania said | June 7th 2012 @ 5:38am | Report comment
wow damo – and aus fans and players are upholding the spirit of rugby?
quade didnt get booed because he was an excellent attacker. the fact that he’s inconsistent and a sissy in defence is what kiwi’s dont like about him. any kiwi rugby player that gets hidden on defence is an embarrassment and would normally get dropped in NZ. added to this is the fact that quade had numerous cheap shots at richie when richie was trapped in a ruck or maul. had quade stood face to richie and done what he did that would’ve been considered acceptable. quades immaturity , lack of humility and respect is what kiwi’s dont like about him and why we’re glad to be rid of him.
and the difference between quades thuggery vs colinMeads and richardLoe is; loe and meads were real men that didnt shoot their mouths off , gave as good as they got and were still standing at the end of the pssing contest.
eg quade when he was pushing richies face when stuck in a ruck suddenly walked away when richie stood up.
quade wants glory but has no guts
and again i iterate – booing quade was fun. even aussie fans are getting into it.
June 6th 2012 @ 5:15pm
Kuruki said | June 6th 2012 @ 5:15pm | Report comment
The crowd were booing a team that was about to beat them, for no other reason then being sore losers. And at least the New Zealand public did not chant “Coopers a wanker”
June 7th 2012 @ 1:46am
liam said | June 7th 2012 @ 1:46am | Report comment
the new underarm bowling incident sounds like…. pffffft.
nah, as others have said, quade wanted it, he was granted it. silly wee man.
the booing of richie mccaw throughout all the aussie rugby forums for years and years echoes just as loud… get off your horse.
June 7th 2012 @ 1:39pm
Mark W said | June 7th 2012 @ 1:39pm | Report comment
Appreciate the reponse Jarmen. The QC thing has been done to death and I was not in NZ so can’t really comment with any real authority about the extent of it. Like you it seems I take offence to the holier than thou attitude by supporters from any country but it onlybelinfgs in pcokets. And whilst I dont boo at all, I can live with people booing for someone kicking at goal, a 50/50 refereee decison, the villian (eg QC) in the other team and this will never be eradicated. Most of us have played rugby and understand there is gamesmanship on the field – trust me I copped plenty as an Australian playing in Scotland for over 5 years but it was not usually personal – so this will take place off it at times as well. But you shake hands and move on.
June 7th 2012 @ 2:26pm
Jarmen said | June 7th 2012 @ 2:26pm | Report comment
Mark what I was referring to mainly was many of the posters on this forum choose to take the moral high ground over the booing of QC however not a word was mentioned when the Canberra faithful also gave it to him, the booing of the Scots the booing of Pocock should I go on.
I love it how those like Damo etc are still trying to claim some moral high ground or Cattledog simply choosing to ignore the fact his countrymen booed another countrys player.
If anyuthing it shows that Australia is no more immune to booing than any other nation and therefore this ridiculous notion that New Zealanders are worse than anyone else is well and truly put to bed.
June 6th 2012 @ 11:33am
BennO said | June 6th 2012 @ 11:33am | Report comment
Hang on a second there Snobby Deans, the Samoa match was played in conditions that suited them far better than the Wallabies. It was dry and warm so it was like a home game for them.
Wait til the wallabies play a test in conditions that suit them instead of the opposition and you’ll see how good they are. Those conditions, of course would be in Quade’s living room with Jonah Lomu’s rugby up on the Xbox.
June 6th 2012 @ 11:38am
Snobby Deans said | June 6th 2012 @ 11:38am | Report comment
BennO – the reference to Samoa was less about the conditions, than them getting the plaudits for actually winning the game. Apologies if that wasn’t clear.
June 6th 2012 @ 12:23pm
BennO said | June 6th 2012 @ 12:23pm | Report comment
Perfectly clear mate, I was just trying to be facetious.
June 6th 2012 @ 6:46pm
Snobby Deans said | June 6th 2012 @ 6:46pm | Report comment
Sorry BennO (not Richie, is it?) . . . I’m usually the first to pick up on that. Must have been an off-day
June 6th 2012 @ 9:03am
heart of sydney said | June 6th 2012 @ 9:03am | Report comment
plus with the conditions and the venue SCO were effectively playing a home match
June 6th 2012 @ 1:22pm
Cody said | June 6th 2012 @ 1:22pm | Report comment
Rightly or wrongly, it was a full Test match. This requires the players to play like it, and also requires our best team to be sent into battle, Australia’s reputation is on the line. If it was designated a BA BAA’S game then fine, try out new/fringe players and different combinations. Total lack of respect for the Gold Jersey by Deans and selectors.
June 6th 2012 @ 7:25pm
Student said | June 6th 2012 @ 7:25pm | Report comment
Interestingly, the turn around from Super 15 to the Scots test is pretty comparable to the turn around that minnows in the RWC are expected to cope with…Realise this is a bit off topic, but it does lend credence to arguments that RWC scheduling hampers the minnow teams’ progression. If Scotland (rank 12) can ambush the Wallabies (rank 2) due to (what I believe to be largely because of) a short turn around, I wonder how many more upsets would occur in the RWC with fair scheduling?
June 6th 2012 @ 9:09pm
bruski said | June 6th 2012 @ 9:09pm | Report comment
Wow…. Perhaps I should crawl back under my rock.
Scotland won, yep…
Not taking that away from them.
All I am saying is that when it is hard for a country to put up its top line-up for a test match then there is something wrong. We have two test matches within a week and one a few days after a super Rugby.
All the while Scotland have had eons to prepare.
Anyway, I will move forward an look forward to another competitive game this weekend.
PS: If you follow the AB’s your opinion does not really register with me so move on
June 7th 2012 @ 7:44am
anopinion said | June 7th 2012 @ 7:44am | Report comment
Bruski,
You comments are like school on Sunday. No class. We lost. Well done Scotland.
June 6th 2012 @ 6:28am
RedSkippy said | June 6th 2012 @ 6:28am | Report comment
Glad I didn’t waste any money on tickets for last night or against wales. Clearly the scheduling team and the marketing teams are not linked….
June 6th 2012 @ 6:34am
Endodontic said | June 6th 2012 @ 6:34am | Report comment
Good post, Paul. This team didn’t have time for a warm-up friendly, and as you carefully state, some of the sideline decisions were as bad as the weather. The team – radically changed we assume (Deans has to shift the blame somewhere) – to play Wales on Saturday won’t have a warm-up game either. And with (possible) wind and rain forecast, the Brisbane Wallabies will be fighting Wales’ pack, their coaches, and their own poor mindset.
To paraphrase today’s sports headline in the Christian Science Monitor re hockey’s L.A. Kings, “Are the Wallabies the worst thing to happen to rugby? Their style, reliant on the up-and-under and box kick drains the life out of rugby, critics say.”
June 6th 2012 @ 6:49am
WQ said | June 6th 2012 @ 6:49am | Report comment
Set piece should be a fundamental for the Wallabies for the rest of this Test season regardless of Test results. It only gets worse from here against much better packs than Scotland.
June 6th 2012 @ 12:38pm
Cody said | June 6th 2012 @ 12:38pm | Report comment
Aus Scrum went just o.k, struggled and crumpled at times, not a good sign for the upcoming tests v great scrummaging teams. This together with a lack of any real attacking prowess will only provide average results. It could be a long year for the Wallabies and the fans.
June 6th 2012 @ 7:00am
stillmissit said | June 6th 2012 @ 7:00am | Report comment
Interesting analysis Paul but I saw it another way. In that weather we were always going to be up against it. My major culprit was Genia, why on a night like that would you point to where you are going to pass give out VERY slow ball and then watch the forward catcher get hammered, then do it all again. Even when he wasn’t pointing to where he was going to pass it his body faced in that direction. Then as all the commentators stated why didn’t he do his little darting attacks to get them guessing.
Dumb football? you bet, and somebody must run a replay to Higginbotham and show him what reduced impact he had by his running height close into the line.
Our front row seemed to be holding up OK and our mauling was excellent in places but we just don’t get enough mauling experience as the weather is rarely this bad.
I thought we would run in a couple of tries after half time but we didn’t use the wind as well they had and Genia did exactly the same thing he did in the first half. Morahan’s kick gave them the opportunity to do what they are good at, and Jayco Peyper did the rest.
If it dries out I think we will do the Welsh and this will act as a rallying call and a sharp focus will be the result on Saturday.
June 6th 2012 @ 7:42am
BARGE-ARSE said | June 6th 2012 @ 7:42am | Report comment
I agree with the Genia analysis. We must also remember that I thought Wallabies did exceptionally well in the first half, playing into that wind.
June 6th 2012 @ 9:24am
Sledgeandhammer said | June 6th 2012 @ 9:24am | Report comment
Agree too, Genia also made a big mistake going down the blindside when camped on the Scotland line in the second half, which lead to a turn over. Might have been a good move in fair conditions, but this was one of the few times the Wallabies were on a roll and the space was there on the open side.
June 6th 2012 @ 7:43pm
Nico'larse said | June 6th 2012 @ 7:43pm | Report comment
I could understand the pick & drive tactics in the 1st half since the strong head wind dictated that there was little choice. And to be 3-6 down at half time was fine.
But when they came out in the 2nd half and continued to bash away so narrowly, flat-footed and predictably (thanks for the telegraphed hospital passes Will) for the entire half I was disgusted. Brain dead alright.
I wasn’t expecting open running rugby in those conditions but I wasn’t expecting the outside backs to be completely ignored (especially in the second stanza) either.
It was the definition of insanity.
It reminded me of the Irish game last year. No tactical nous whatsoever.
I’m gutted! Not so much by the loss but because we played so dumbly.
June 6th 2012 @ 7:07am
flying hori said | June 6th 2012 @ 7:07am | Report comment
a very silly schedule indeed, most international teams would proberly struggle with this type of schedule and limited if not no preparation, now all the debuntants know what a test is all about. Early days aussies the main test are yet to come, live and learn
June 6th 2012 @ 7:17am
Brendon said | June 6th 2012 @ 7:17am | Report comment
I blame two things, the schedulers and the fans. The fans booed when two fairly easy and kickable shots at goal were on offer. You could tell the crowd influenced this and they went for the line. If the crowd was more like other countries, we would have taken the easy points and worked on going for the line when we got penalties
From 50 out.. It was obvious as well that any time we got momentum with two quick phases, genia would then slow it back down and pick and drive. It didn’t work for 70 mins, try something else!!!!!
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June 6th 2012 @ 7:22am
formeropenside said | June 6th 2012 @ 7:22am | Report comment
Hopefully thats the last we will see of Barnes in gold. Also Timani – 0 from 2 attempts. Cant really rate the backs outside Barnes as they appear not to have been used, but I did see some good AF defence.
Also, has Alexander at last been penalised out of the Wallaby team? We can only hope.
Great selections and coaching Robbie, and why JON agreed to the schedule I have no idea.
June 6th 2012 @ 8:47am
Decs said | June 6th 2012 @ 8:47am | Report comment
Ridiculous comment re Barnes. He managed the game well. Don’t let your dislike of the Tahs cloud your judgement of the game. Tim Horan even stated it was one of Barnes best games in a Wallaby jersey.
While I am not a Timani fan, note the scrum on the loosehead side went backwards when he was replaced by Simmons.
One training session, half the team with a 4day turnaround. Thank you JO’N.
While I hold hope for the Wales game, it doesnt get any easier with only two more training sessions.
June 6th 2012 @ 9:15am
gurudoright said | June 6th 2012 @ 9:15am | Report comment
I agree with you Decs, I thought Barnes had a good game. He was willing to give it a run when he got the ball.Barnes almost pulled off the play of the game with his chip over the top to Ioane. Genia on the otherhand, why would you constitantly give the ball to a player who is static. On countless occasions he gave the ball to a forwrad who was not ready for it which resulted in terriotry loss.Pointed to the place where he wanted his runners to go, allowing the Scots to shuffle over to take advantage. It was one of the most directionless halfback displays that I have seen him do in a Wallaby jersey
June 6th 2012 @ 9:26am
formeropenside said | June 6th 2012 @ 9:26am | Report comment
Why wasn’t Barnes kicking for the corners all through the second half? I mean, its the one thing he can do, kick, so how come he stopped all of a sudden?
June 6th 2012 @ 9:47am
Bigbaz said | June 6th 2012 @ 9:47am | Report comment
On a more positive note Fos , Deans has finally found Barnes’s best position,assistant kicking tee.
June 6th 2012 @ 9:57am
Rusty said | June 6th 2012 @ 9:57am | Report comment
Zing!
June 6th 2012 @ 10:54am
soapit said | June 6th 2012 @ 10:54am | Report comment
and whats with putting up bombs from your own 22 into a howling gale?
June 6th 2012 @ 9:34am
Justin2 said | June 6th 2012 @ 9:34am | Report comment
Decs – the truth is somewhere in the middle re Barnes. He played OK, nothing great. Horan, as I have begun to notice, is a big fan of Barnes so I take his views on him sometimes with a grain of salt.
Lets remember he didnt hit the corners at all, put in a couple of ordinary kicks as well as a few good bits of play (kick pass to Iaone, which I thought should have been a down town play myself). At the end though he still was in chrage of a back division that never really threatened. He can thank Deans partly for that too though.
June 6th 2012 @ 9:46am
Behold said | June 6th 2012 @ 9:46am | Report comment
Back division that hardly threaten because they never had the ball. Genia and the forwards can be blamed for this loss. Barnes didn’t need to kick the Wallabies had all the territory in the second half. No point in giving the opposition the ball when we have the wind behind us camped in their 40. Scotland should be praised for the lack of penalties they gave away. The forwards and particular Genia should be ridiculed for their lack of penetration close to the line and some poor work in the ruck.
Barnes had an okay game, and I think none of the fly half’s that are out would have done a better job last night. The only thing I will say is that QC would have slotted the field goal because Genia would have given it to him when Barnes first demanded it, not three phases later after the forwards had lost all momentum.
June 6th 2012 @ 10:56am
soapit said | June 6th 2012 @ 10:56am | Report comment
its amazing how giteau was held up as the main culprit a team performance in the loss to samoa (and never played for australia again) but barnes has little responsibility for the team performance last night,
June 6th 2012 @ 11:26am
Justin2 said | June 6th 2012 @ 11:26am | Report comment
Of course you dont kick inside the 40m but there were numerous times we werent there. Barnes has “background” as Deans would say in somehow not taking charge when it is required.
June 6th 2012 @ 1:23pm
kiwi said | June 6th 2012 @ 1:23pm | Report comment
Astute comment there Behold.
Unless Scotland were not being picked up for infringing (and I don’t think they were infringing), their discipline while under the pump was admirable.
June 6th 2012 @ 3:35pm
AndyS said | June 6th 2012 @ 3:35pm | Report comment
Certainly was – I would have even gone for immense, given how long the pressure was sustained.
June 6th 2012 @ 9:48am
Jutsie said | June 6th 2012 @ 9:48am | Report comment
As wayne smith said in his article today in the australian, he needed to vary his attack a bit. Ofcourse we couldnt spin it wide in the conditions but a few grubbers and low kicks behind the line were required. The closest scotland came to a try was with a grubber (which tomane impressively diffused).
Its hard to know whether he was following deans plan or not but still a player of his experience should know when to diverge from the coach’s game plan.
But credit where credit is due, his defence was top notch and for the most part he was solid. There was not much more he could do in that weather.
June 6th 2012 @ 10:52am
Bear said | June 6th 2012 @ 10:52am | Report comment
I am not normally a huge fan of Berrick Barnes, but I actually though that he went alright last night.
June 6th 2012 @ 11:59am
jeznez said | June 6th 2012 @ 11:59am | Report comment
FOS – getting rid of Simmons as well then? He didn’t do any more than Timani in the loose and was a weak link in the scrum – where Timani was strong. I thought Timani was fine in that game, it was a shame he got injured. What specifically was your problem with him?
Or didn’t you notice him in the first half when playing into the wind we made huge metres from pick and drive and worked our way up the pitch into the wind?
June 6th 2012 @ 1:01pm
Denby said | June 6th 2012 @ 1:01pm | Report comment
I thought Barnes was one of the better Wallabies on the night. Genia had a shocker and gave mostly horrible service to Barnes. That pass for the drop goal was absolute rubbish. A flyhalf is only as good as the halfback allows him to be.
Higginbotham, Alexander, Simmons, Hooper and Slipper were all rubbish.
The scrum went to poo with them on and Higginbotham made a few extremely poor judgement calls on running lines. He made virtually no impact with ball in hand.
Hooper will get better, Slipper and Alexander were again on the wrong sides on the scrum (one of Deans favorites). They can be some what excused.
June 6th 2012 @ 1:31pm
FRugby said | June 6th 2012 @ 1:31pm | Report comment
Proves that all these props who are said to be able to play both sides is a myth, sure they might go o.k out of postion at Super level, but Test level, please. Go with the specialists and forget playing inept props out of postion. Will be good to see new rule come in that you can have 2 props on bench. 1 specialist loose and one specialist tight. Deans can’t help but meddle with the front row.Frustrating to say the least.
June 6th 2012 @ 7:37am
Gormon Kinchley said | June 6th 2012 @ 7:37am | Report comment
Really dreading heading into work in Edinburgh tomorrow. A shocking performance. I sincerely hope that’s the last we ever see of Higginbotham: his intimidating presence, beard and lack of talent, drive or go-forward reminded me of Chabal. The Second Row were completely off too. I think that Timani may be an international standard player, but it certainly isn’t now. Anyway, it’s just a game, and I’m sure the Wallabies will put up more of a fight on Saturday (which is still too soon for another test match anyway!)