Australia’s foreign player influx essential for the West
By Matt Hodgson, 14 Jun 2012 Matt Hodgson is a Roar Expert
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In recent history, the Australian Rugby Union changed the rules to allow foreign players and developing foreign players to join Australian teams in the Super Competition.
There have been a number of players come and go, and only a few that have left a lasting impression on Super Rugby history.
The Emirates Western Force has had a number of ‘marquee’ foreigners, but has rarely received a return on the field to match the hype that initially surrounded their signings.
Injury has plagued the Force’s marquee signings, preventing some from ever pulling on a game-day jersey.
Andre Pretouris, the former Springbok, came to the Force as the answer to the problems at 10. The jersey is surely jinxed. The Sea of Blue was never to see him perform, as he was struck down in the first captain’s run of the year, tearing his hamstring clean off the bone.
Pretouris spent his year-long contract on the sidelines, in a Force suit and in training kit only during rehab and visits to local schools. The Force struggled through without the benefits of a top 10 or a marquee for the year, and the rugby community never got to witness how well a South African 10 could slot into an Australian team.
High hopes were placed that the talent of Willie Ripia would inject his magic into our backs. While he did play a few games for the Force, he was in far from career-best form, and left right before round one this year due to well documented personal demons.
To date, David Smith is probably the Force’s only marquee player to show his potential, and was a huge contributor during the 2011 campaign. A player and crowd favourite who was justly rewarded with the club’s best and fairest award in 2011. David is currently playing well with former Force and Wallaby great Matt Giteau at Toulon in the French Top 14 and has indicated that he would like to return to the Force in the future.
Napolioni Nalaga is the current marquee player, and although troubled with injury and lack of quality ball, he is showing signs of why the Force went after him. He played his best game of the year against the Lions, and showed what can happen when he is involved and the ball is in his hands.
Since their introduction, the Melbourne Rebels were fortunate to be able to recruit a larger number of international players on their roster than any other team in Super history.
They had the opportunity to recruit some of the biggest names on the international market, and some younger developing players from both New Zealand and South Africa.
Of these internationals some have made it regularly into their match day 22. The most notable signings were Danny Ciprani and Gareth Delve.
Gareth Delve has become a strong leader and one of the team’s most valuable players on and off the field. As captain, Gareth has stood tall in a Melbourne forward pack and has revamped his career; he must have been close to getting a recall into the Welsh team after his consistent form.
English international Danny Cipriani has showed highlights of what he can do on a field, highlighted by his comprehensive kicking talent. We unfortunately only saw glimpses of his true potential, and read more about his off-field antics rather than his on-field brilliance. This is truly unfortunate as he, of all the European players, was suited to the Super style of Rugby.
The other Rebels international worth mentioning is Ged Robison, who has been a quiet achiever but wonderful for the club following injury dramas around the hooker position. Hopefully he will stay in the competition for some time and further prove his worth.
While the Waratahs, Reds, and Brumbies haven’t in my mind used international options as much as the previous teams, two names stand out: Sarel Pretouris for the Waratahs, and Daniel Braid for the Queensland Reds.
Sarel has been in and out of the Waratah team, which appears to be struggling to establish its identity in recent times. He is one of the quickest halfbacks around, and was a try-scoring machine for the Cheetahs before heading to Australia.
Unfortunately he has lacked the consistency that saw him as one of the form halfbacks of 2011. I think Sarel will only improve the longer he stays with the Tahs, once he forms a solid relationship with the team, particularly the No. 10.
Daniel Braid had a most difficult task, and that was to fill the void left by David Croft at the Reds.
Crofty was one of the toughest competitors around, and excelled at Super Rugby. His passion and pride for Queensland was second to none. Daniel was able to fill those shoes and play some of his best footy while he was in the Reds jersey. This form saw him become an All Black again once he returned to New Zealand’s shores.
So we can see how many international players have reached our shores, and played for our Super teams with mixed results. Some have played their best football and gained representative honours. Others have enjoyed our sun, sand, and laid-back lifestyle too much, not producing their best football.
There has been some media speculation that the Force require recruitment concessions in the form of more international players, similar to those enjoyed by the Rebels, to become a strong consistent performer in Super rugby.
This argument is based on the challenging recruitment environment that the Western Australian franchise has always faced. Perth is the most isolated city in the world, not just in Australia.
The shortest flight for an away game is four and a half hours, while teams on the east coast have three away games within two hours. This also means that Force players and their partners are at least four and a half hours away from family and friends on the east coast.
WA is also a well-established AFL state, with rugby union generally mentioned a dozen pages in to the local sports section. WA also has limited funding for community development compared to east coast states, meaning this is unlikely to change any time soon.
Perth does not have the club rugby stocks and structure to draw upon to develop our own players in the numbers that are required.
Unfortunately at the moment we are also without a head coach, and our captain, David Pocock, is yet to commit for 2013. I suggest that he could hardly be expected to commit when the coaching position is still not filled.
I am from the central coast of NSW, but having been in Perth for seven years, and married a local, I feel that this is my home. I can tell any prospective player the positives of the club, lifestyle, fans, and the many other benefits of my adopted home, but they do not necessarily mitigate the points I mentioned earlier.
The environment in WA is unique within Australian rugby, and the standard approach employed by the ARU is not conducive to the success of this franchise.
Additional mature-aged foreign players would do wonders for the performances and development of all players within the club. Five strong franchises are surely what is best for Australian rugby, allowing the Wallabies to draw top talent from five teams who all know how to win, and how to play beside and against the best.
Recruitment concessions for the Force need to be considered to assist the club to develop into a competitive base for rugby. To date the Force have enjoyed limited returns for their internationals, largely due to injuries, but their potential contribution to the team cannot be underestimated in small-town Perth.
The development of rugby in WA would definitely advance rapidly if the Force was a consistently successful, competitive team. The first Force home game at the 43,000-seat Subiaco Oval nearly sold out, and the Force had the highest number of members of any Super rugby franchise in the competition at the time.
There is support for rugby in Perth to make it viable. But how long will the loyalty of the Sea of Blue be sustained without success?
Membership numbers drop each year, as do crowds.
An analysis of the WA situation is needed, and something needs to be done to change the trend, ensuring the Force thrives, not just survives.
I will be in Perth long after I retire, and I hope to be at Force games supporting a competitive team that is in the hunt for a premiership like the other four Australian teams.
With some strategic concessions from the ARU, that success could be a reality sooner rather than later.
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June 14th 2012 @ 2:08am
Johnno said | June 14th 2012 @ 2:08am | Report comment
-Good article Matt Hodgson .
-NZ has a really good rule. Where if they can not find a local who they believe is up to super 15 standard in specific positions, to cover for lackof depth teams can sign pacific islander players and not have them be judged as imports.
-So exmaple Samoan 5/8 tusi pusi at wellington hurricanes
-Mo Schwalger at waikato chiefs , and Sona Taumalolo waikato chiefs prop
-Good way to get quality pacific islander players into the system and create depth. In europe teams under the kolpak rule can sign unlimited pacific islanders in there teams.
-I would bring in an Argentina rule. 2-5 argentina players allowed per team.
-Squads will soon increase from 30 to 35 as super rugby seasons will go longer and also injury list worries this year eg waratahs
-But yes we need to allow 2-3 marquee players in the business model of super rugby teams.
-Becoz if the teams are better coz of imports , that means crowds and tv ratings go up, and then ultimately more money of the profits made go to grassroots rugby which develops the next wallabies.
-So a win win situation for Australian rugby more money in the sport via tv ratings $$$$ and crowds$$$$ means more money grass roota development and the creation of a 3rd tier new remodelled ARC, or club rugby in WA, QLD, or the shut shield in sydney NSW.
June 14th 2012 @ 8:48pm
Chris said | June 14th 2012 @ 8:48pm | Report comment
Hi
Refer to this article from February: http://www.theroar.com.au/2012/02/28/pacific-islands-being-shut-out-of-super-rugby/
There are very few PI-born players who also have represented their country in NZ Super rugby -the three you mentioned (are there any others?)
Mahonri Schwalger – he played club and provincial rugby in NZ in1999, starting with 2nd division Hawkes Bay, for six years before being offered a Super contract. Pisi is similar – five full seasons at provincial level for Nth Harbour before a Super contract. Sona Taumalolo played four years provincial rugby (another from 2nd division Hawkes Bay), he’s lived in NZ since 2001.
So these three at least were not ‘imports’ just for Super rugby.
June 14th 2012 @ 9:29pm
Johnno said | June 14th 2012 @ 9:29pm | Report comment
marika Vunibaka Fiji, rupeni thau thau fiji.
And anthony perinesse Samoa, khan foutali. But those men were eligible for NZ, and chose Samoa so thats why.
Some call Samoa ALl blacks B team, coz 15 out of 30 born there from world cup squad and countless of them also did schooling in NZ or at least played in the ITM cup.
But i see your point also coz so much depth in NZ, and alsp the PI players still most go to Japan or Europe as better money,.
June 14th 2012 @ 4:11am
The Werewolf said | June 14th 2012 @ 4:11am | Report comment
I agree with the sentiment that overseas talent should be used to prop up our 5 franchises.
I read a relatively similar article by Gordon Darcy about the benefits that overseas players bring to the game.
He said “I’ve been lucky enough to play with Felip Contepomi and Rocky Elsom, two name two players of incredible calibre. They have contributed to my development as a rugby player…”
This sharing of player and or coaching development should be going both ways. For example we should be targeting overseas players that can hold up our scrums so that players get used to using that as a platform.
June 14th 2012 @ 4:45am
Football United said | June 14th 2012 @ 4:45am | Report comment
“emirates western force’ gee thats cringe worthy but moving right along on a very important issue.
5 Australian teams are never going to be able to have a real crack at super rugby unless imports are embraced. with the real quality of youth coming out of NSW and QLD, Vic and WA are always going to be disadvantaged. ARU needs to stop being dinosaurs on this and realise that if a young player is unable to challenge with a international player for their spot at SR level, than they are unlikely going to be an international player in the future. There is so much untapped rugby talent that would go cheaply for SR teams to exploit. Japan, North America, Eastern Europe, Argentina and even Namibia and Kenya have shown either at the last world cup or on the sevens circuit that they have athletes that can compete with the best. why aren’t we using them then?
June 14th 2012 @ 8:35am
Blue Blood said | June 14th 2012 @ 8:35am | Report comment
As a Force player I am certain that he is contractually required to use the full name including the sponsor who paid for naming rights. Just a thought
June 14th 2012 @ 5:06am
kingplaymaker said | June 14th 2012 @ 5:06am | Report comment
Great article and agree with Johnno’s points too.
Western Australia produces 8% more or less of rugby players in Australia at the moment and I would imagine by the time it got to 15% there would be enough players to support the franchise without imports, considering that for example NSW with 41% produces enough for more than two teams. However to get to that point you need a competitive team, and allowing more foreing players and bringing in NRL converts with strong rugby backgrounds is an easy and obvious way to do it. The same should be being done in Adelaide with the same methods.
Also more could be done to take the game to new areas such as WA through schools. Scotland were doing so badly recently they decided to expand by bringing the game into as many schools as possible, creating not only new players but fans and spreading rugby culture around. In five years Scotland increased their playing numbers by 50% in five years in this way.
The same could be done in new areas such as WA, Victoria and Southern Australia (except…there’s no Super team there!).
June 14th 2012 @ 11:25am
Johnno said | June 14th 2012 @ 11:25am | Report comment
KPM thanks mate.
Some points to you make.
Adealide has to be looked at further. 1.2 million, plus a new 50,000 Adealaide oval redevelopment, and a greater populationof 1.7 million in South Australia just can’t be ignored.
Some facts on adeiiade KPM and others.
-Adeliade is closer to eastern states than Perth.
-And this point Matt Hodgson made about family and friends and geographic distance problems, away from east coast.
-Matt Hodsgon has settled in well to Perth WA. Married a local lady, and settled down there he seems to have adapted to Perth and WA well.
-others for multiple reasons have not, and 1 suspicion as echoed by Matt Hodgson who is actually in the force set up, is geographic isolation problems being a factor
-Adeliade much closer than Perth to sydney,canberra, Brisbane,and Melbourne.
-And big population who do love sport and have a history of getting behind winning sports teams in adeialide not just afl.
Basketball, soccer, F1 grand prix, cricket teams.
JON O’neil is one hell of a negotiator but he is one hell of a terrible bloke when it comes to developing grass roots rugby union in OZ.
-For those that don’t know JON O’neill went to the prestigious st josephs college high school, more commonly known as joeys.
-Produced more wallabies than any other school in Australia.
So he is used to being in rugby factories , the rest of OZ is not so privileged and need grass roots money and good development models,, so JON’S rugby union view of the world is a bit ignorant.
-And joeys rugby does not just magically happen they put in the time and money into it, but JON should really put more money into west sydney.
-Im happy JON is leaving in 2013 he comes across as elitist and ignores grass roots , and ignore potential new markets.
-JON is as muc to blame as Deans is for the ARU failings.
June 14th 2012 @ 2:03pm
kingplaymaker said | June 14th 2012 @ 2:03pm | Report comment
Johnno there is this inert, luxurious, oriental despot quality about the administration of Australian rugby as if they have everything and can spin out their days wallowing in a satisfied stupor. The reality is that rival codes are butchering, pillaging and atomising them while they congratulate themselves on the glorious idea of putting 5 teams up against three times the number in the NRL and AFL. The game is run by tottering relics from the amateur era who have no idea that rugby is a code that needs to expand or it will be crushed by brutal rivals. Until these doddering dinosaurs make way for modern businessmen the code and it’s absurd idea of what rugby is, i.e. a jolly pasttime and not a pro sport, the axe at the guillotine will grow sharper and sharper.
Every day that passes rugby could be spreading in Adelaide with a team. Every day potential new Wallabies such as UJ Seuteni could be discovered. Weeks pass that could bring a crucial new state with vast playing and fan possibilities. he advance towards greater playing numbers and self-support could be at work, something which will take time and could have been started. These squandered years with no team in Adelaide, the only untouched major market and state, are grim, dark times when Australian rugby lolls in medieval backwardness.
June 14th 2012 @ 2:45pm
Johnno said | June 14th 2012 @ 2:45pm | Report comment
KPM I agree it is pathetic there view on reality some of the rugby hierarchy in Australia.
-They have this absudist born to rule colonial outlook on life, and look down on the middle class or lower middle classes and developing the poor means nothing to them. Very fickle view coz they could make millions of dollars out of making rugby union a true global sport.
-Some of these people especially in the home unions KPM genuinely still want the world cup to be stopped.
And are purely happy in fact that is what they want only these teams play rugby
Home unions, england,wales,scotland, irleand, plus france, and the 3 SH giants , and the pacific islands for a bit of amusement to laugh iat by that meaning they know there talented but get there rocks off them being poor and disvangteged coaching wise and logistic wise.
Pathetic.
Some of these same home union dinosaurs are still today unhappy Italy a massive population size country is in the 5 now 6 nations.
Pathetic that they really genuinely want rugby to stay small, test cricket has had the same attitude too with the same types running it.
-I actually went to a private school like where these types went to but was not rich and did not want to become a banker or a lawyer , nothing wrong with those jobs, but the outlook of some of them is awful this colonial born to rule outlook, and happy for rugby to be a jolly pastime rather than a multi million dollar pro sport , in fact sickens me KPM.
-I am happy the french bloke who is chairman of the IRB is being proactive, and he kept his job just beating one of those dithering types from the home unions.
-And i hope USA/Russia continue to develop as while these countries do have a class system they are happy for a sport to go global and don’t have all this keep the sport to a few nations rubbish.
- A good article on USA rugby KPM today on the usa rugby website, i don’t see the ARU or JON doing anything remotely like this
http://www.usarugby.org/#cc%3D%5BApplication%5D%5C%5CStructure%5C%5CContent%5C%5CBrand%20Resource%20Center%5C%5CContent%5C%5CHome%5C%5C208D7949-1299-1078-7124-00E05889C33C%5C%5CNewsArchive%5C%5C21D94194-12B1-B8E1-8CB5-D65C18E5981F%5C%5C23181D59-134A-B116-63C5-3394535DB8C2%5C%5C23181D59-137E-1ACD-F3E6-0B1E11F2EDCB%7B%7BTab%3AView%7D%7D
-And in russia every high school will now be made compulsory to have a 15 a side rugby team as it is now an Olympic sport, great commitment to rugby union wish australia and the ARU would apply the same commitment KPM to rugby union.
-We will drift further afield over the next 10 years KPM rugby in australia if the ARU don’t work out a business model to combat AFL and NRL, i really worry about the 2019 and 2023 world cup and really worry if we will even qualify for say the 2031 world cup in 20 years time if we don’t address the problems now, think west indies cricket happening to the wallabies.
June 14th 2012 @ 11:47pm
mattamkII said | June 14th 2012 @ 11:47pm | Report comment
Liam Gill, Brock James and Seuteni all played most of their jnr rugby in Adelaide.
The are countless others who have played 1st grade in NSW and Qld. Some even have played NPC or had Super or NRL contracts.
Untapped talent over there in spades
June 15th 2012 @ 12:18am
Johnno said | June 15th 2012 @ 12:18am | Report comment
mattamkill I agree.
Adelaide is a natural rugby union city.
Just needs the work it has so much potential
New 50,000 Adelaide Oval renovation being completed
1.2 million people and growing in size over next 20 years
history has shown Adelaide sports teams are natural winners won many national titles
Closer to east coast cities than Perth
It is a well planned city tonnes of playing fields
big ex pat populations NZ,ENGLAND,STH AFRICA
A strong middle class who can afford registration and junior development
And a hunger to watch more big time sport and a big middle class who can afford foxtel pay tv subsrictipions so that equals tv ratings$$$$
June 14th 2012 @ 11:47pm
charles (from Adelaide) said | June 14th 2012 @ 11:47pm | Report comment
I can’t believe anyone would schedule rugby at Adelaide Oval, even Sevens. Great place for cricket or AFL but useless for rugby. It has to be Hindmarsh Stadium.
Spectators raised on AFL and used to watching sport on TV will never get into the game when they’re so far from the action. Might have worked in the old days but, really, if you’re in Sydney would you rather watch a match at the SCG, ANZ or SFS?
SFS for mine! AAMI Stadium in Melbourne is even better, with steep tiers of seating in the European style that make you feel like you could touch the game.
June 15th 2012 @ 11:16am
mattamkII said | June 15th 2012 @ 11:16am | Report comment
Hi Charles (from adelaide),
Hindmarsh stadium would be the more likely choice for a venue. Its square and holds about 12-15k. They play NRL fixtures there every so often and they used to play the state union games there too.
Adelaide oval isn’t actually that bad if you sit on the side rather than the goal lines. Remember its a very narrow ground. I’ve been to a few test there and didn’t think it was bad at all. Wouldn’t want to be sitting behind the post mind you – long way from the action.
Also, its not all about converting AFL fans.
Its not a huge number but my guess would be a team in Adelaide would pull about 10,000 people to a game every week.
Matt (Lived in Adelaide and played rugby there for 30 years)
June 14th 2012 @ 8:45am
Blue Blood said | June 14th 2012 @ 8:45am | Report comment
Another ripper Hodgo. I’m glad he has chosen this topic. We have speculated about this need for more internationals before but it means more when it comes from an established player like Hodgson. I hope the ARU reads it and takes it into consideration for next year. The sooner the better for the struggling Force. I’d like to see all the teams have more but the Force need recruitment concessions that advantage them in recruitment over the east coast teams (Rebels different case) for the valid reasons Hodgson identified.
I also wanted to note that Hodgson obviously has respect for his fellow rugby peer. Only a secure, mature man can heap praise on his peers (including current opposition). On the flip side he is also quite measured in his critique of team mates. Something even established journalists seem to at times struggle with. A class act.
June 14th 2012 @ 9:26am
Wilson said | June 14th 2012 @ 9:26am | Report comment
I can only assume this article was written before Gareth Delve was infact called up to Wales. Looks like Hodgson is spot on the money.
Another great read Hodgson. The Force need a coach first. Then that coach needs to be able to build a team for next year with the benefits of more internationals. And boy are the Force slow on getting that appointed! Vern Reid and Mitch Hardy are the worst business men I have ever had the displeasure to see in action. (Or inaction as the case often is.) The Force Board need to assess their performances and move them along; 2 years ago ideally.
I disagree with Hodgson on one point. Pocock should not need the coach to be able to sign on for the long term. Pocock needs to show that he has faith in the Force and act like a leader, a captain. If he didn’t want to stay long term he should have declined the captaincy. A captain for one year is a terrible thing for the Force. In accepting the captaincy you commit yourself to be a committed leader; so be a leader and motivate your team through your actions Mr Pocock. Sign and commit. Otherwise the captaincy should have gone to Hodgson. Who is committed to the Force past retirement. At least if he does leave they have a great man to take over the reins. I hate to link The Brand O’Connor to Pocock but I am getting a faint whiff of the brand’s KPIs coming into play here. If you don’t have this, that or whatever then I am not signing (read as this coach, this 9, that 10 and 12). This was appalling from the Brand but I would hope for far more from the Captain. Certainly Pocock should be playing where he is going to get results and enjoy his rugby. But as the captain you have agreed to lead a team to that success. Is he giving up after 1 year in the top job? I hope not.
June 14th 2012 @ 11:59am
Force Fan said | June 14th 2012 @ 11:59am | Report comment
Well said..couldn’t agree more…….to accept the captaincy is to stamp one’s commitment to the club…Hoever, the Club needs to acknowledge this commitment with an intial “fair” and competitive offer rather than trying to get a top player cheap.
June 14th 2012 @ 4:44pm
Wilson said | June 14th 2012 @ 4:44pm | Report comment
I completely agree. But hash out a deal. Spell out what you want money wise if you have to (as Vern Reid and Mitch Hardy are hardly master minds); then sign the deal. Don’t let it turn into a media circus that it is increasingly becoming. Surely better players are more likely to commit if Pocock is already signed on for the next few years. How can he work to build a playing list for next year when he isn’t even on that playing list yet? Richard Graham was walked for wanting to do the same only 2 months ago.
June 14th 2012 @ 4:58pm
formeropenside said | June 14th 2012 @ 4:58pm | Report comment
Commitment to the club….hmmm, like then Qld-captain Sharpe when he left for the Force in 2005?
June 14th 2012 @ 6:30pm
TRH said | June 14th 2012 @ 6:30pm | Report comment
Sharpe never captained the reds Full time – Flatley was captain in 2005.
June 14th 2012 @ 9:20pm
Blue Blood said | June 14th 2012 @ 9:20pm | Report comment
Exactly. Roe took over as captain in April 2005 when Elton Flatley was forced to retire and stand-in captain Nathan Sharpe announced he was leaving the side.
So the Sharpe situation was completely different to the of Pocock as it stands today. Surprising that Reds fans and the media beat that situation up as much as they did and still bring it up at all.
June 14th 2012 @ 9:33am
Wilson said | June 14th 2012 @ 9:33am | Report comment
I just saw this from the local state newspaper here in WA:
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sport/a/-/basketball/13945140/force-of-the-future-need-aru-help-now/
Let’s hope it gets to the ARU. This might actually have some legs.
June 14th 2012 @ 9:49am
kingplaymaker said | June 14th 2012 @ 9:49am | Report comment
Of course the reason not to have academies in NSW and QLD is so the overflowing talent can go to the new states too, but this doesn’t apply in WA or Victoria who should therefore be allowed to have their own.
June 14th 2012 @ 11:49am
p.Tah said | June 14th 2012 @ 11:49am | Report comment
KPM, academies are crucial. If we have more imports we lose the positions to the up and comers. Hypothetically, if Qld had imports we propbably wouldn’t see players such as Tapaui, Chris Feauai-Sautia etc in Super rugby yet. Super rugby shouldn’t be a development competition but we wouldn’t want to stunt the development of these type of players. They need to be kept in the system. If we increase the foreign import quota we must bring back the academies and start a national academy compeition (one that is not necessarily restricted to age i.e. u/20). In my mind we need a comp such as this even if we don’t increase the foreign quota.
June 14th 2012 @ 12:13pm
Johnno said | June 14th 2012 @ 12:13pm | Report comment
p.Tah to fund academies you need money, and if the local talent is not good quality to bring in the tv ratings and crowds then you can’t fund elite expensive academies.
-Money don’t grow on tress and all these gyms, high performance centres are not for free, and all the high quality coaches.
Europe rugby has beinifted from imports as the high quality players draw in crowds get people interested in rugby, and fund grass roots development, and we are seeing it with the success of the euro under 20 world cup teams.
-Irleand is making some resrictions on imports but i think too much.
-The key word is balance p.tah, we live now in global world, globalisation global market, we have to embrace it ,and pro sport is a global business and higher crowds and tv ratings help keep the sports profile high and help grassroots the most as there is money there.
England soccer team has stayed far stronger than it would of been had it not had such successful EPL, with unlimited imports.
Spain the same.
Coz money dow get filtered down to the bottom in these business models.
Man united have junior academies they can afford to fund thanks to the rich EPL revenue with unlimited import business model.
June 14th 2012 @ 12:43pm
p.Tah said | June 14th 2012 @ 12:43pm | Report comment
Johnno, good points but all the French and English players who compete in the Rugby Schoolboy ‘tests’ against us and at the U20 JRWC are in academies associated with the major premiership clubs. In NZ the ‘kids’ are playing in the ITM cup with top quality teams. Ours are bundled into a centralised academy based in Brisbane and Sydney, (since we disbanded the super rugby academies last year). We’ve taken a backwards step to save costs. You are right it costs money but we do need academies.
June 14th 2012 @ 2:06pm
kingplaymaker said | June 14th 2012 @ 2:06pm | Report comment
p.tah Johnno has made the crucial point that there is a difference between teams in big player producing areas such as NSW and QLD who have enough talent and therefore don’t need imports and teams in new areas where there aren’t enough players even with overflow from the big producers, and so where imports are necessary to make the team competitive while it increases the playing numbers in its region to the point where one day it is self-sufficent and can abandon the imports.
June 14th 2012 @ 4:59pm
formeropenside said | June 14th 2012 @ 4:59pm | Report comment
Rubbish, NSW need QLD imports to be competitive.
June 14th 2012 @ 7:56pm
p.Tah said | June 14th 2012 @ 7:56pm | Report comment
Agree KPM, I used QLD as an example because I couldn’t think of any young guns in the Rebels or the Force who are currently playing but would lose their place to an import. Tapaui and CFS were probably not great examples. Just highlighting that unfortunately Super rugby is often a development tool for young players who aren’t quite at the top level yet. They are improving quickly because they are in an environment that allows them to develop, however if we bring in imports these kids may lose their place in the super rugby squad and spend most of their time in club rugby. Hence the need for a wider training squad (academies) that develops these kids in the super rugby environment. Was that a 3rd tier I just described!
June 14th 2012 @ 10:29am
sittingbison said | June 14th 2012 @ 10:29am | Report comment
Thanks Matt for your insights not only into the foreign player debate, but also the need for Force concessions, an honest and keen eyed analysis of the Force predicament, and most importantly your personal observations on being a player at the farthest antipodes and how this has shaped and continues to influence your life. Matt you are a class act as a person, player, and now a journalist.
Matt there is so much balderdash “journalism” now with hidden agendas and trying to influence opinion, it is refreshing and encouraging to see the real deal, a thorough and honest investigation and readable report. Great work!!
I and a few others have been maintaining at length on this forum that Force is severely disadvantaged with no conviction or leadership coming from the ARU including a lack of player concessions, not supporting the Academy and a severe funding shortage in player development. Certainly the Force administration has not helped itself however it is also shackled and hamstrung. The Force are so close, they have terrific support, some terrific players, the attitude and endeavour has generally with a few exceptions been fantastic. They just need a little help to get them over the line and stay over the line, such as Rebels are now enjoying after the ARU saw the blunders it made with Force.
There is an air of excitement at the sea of blue for next year. We finally have a quality 10 in Sias Ebersohn. The pack is at the peak of their game. The backs who have been roundly criticized this year actually have some exciting talent emerging that if guided by the right coach will I am sure astound some jaundiced observers. All this hinges on the coach appointment, lets hope that the Board get one thing at least right. A coach who can instill a Force style of play suitable for WA, can develop the skills and confidence of the players, can initiate talent identification and development programs, and instill a Force culture that players and fans appreciate.
June 14th 2012 @ 11:51am
Garryown said | June 14th 2012 @ 11:51am | Report comment
I agree with Matt’s comments and would add that the ARU also need in the overhaul to look at stopping this continual poaching game that goes on at the beginning of each season. It must have a destabilising/demoralising effect on teams who are struggling for points.Will it happen, I doubt it, the problem has been with us for the last 3 years and bugger all has been attempted.