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The New Zealand Warriors’ 52-12 capitulation to the Cowboys at the weekend was a disgrace. In my opinion, a number of players were absolutely clueless in defence while others either didn’t care – or didn’t try.
It was a shallow, no, make that a low performance that book-ended the previous week’s 45-4 rout by the Cronulla Sharks. Unless there is vast improvement, I believe the club’s future participation in the NRL competition must surely be questioned.
I have a number of questions after witnessing that miserable ‘effort’ in Townsville last Saturday night. It’s really hard to believe this club made the Big Dance last year and was supposedly playing for a berth in this year’s finals series.
Should we kick them out of the NRL and invite an Aussie team that wants to compete in the world’s premier rugby league competition? Are these guys bent on representing their country with the innate personal pride and professionalism that characterises every Kiwi sporting outfit?
Is there any player respect for Kiwi-born coach Brian McLennan or even the slightest regard for his tactics?
There is a real chance the Warriors will finish with the wooden spoon this year if this rot doesn’t stop.
The club has been a part of our competition since 1995 and aside from two GF appearances, they have made the playoffs seven times.
I refuse to look in the Cowboys’ direction and say that they were running hot the other night and exposed the Warriors’ glaring defensive deficiencies and near-ineptitude in attack.
After all, it’s easy to romp over for try after try when the other mob lacks passion and purpose.
League people around the nation are well aware the Warriors have major flaws with their defence in the centres.
Promising youngster Konrad Hurrell is all at sea when the opposition runs straight or even slightly angular lines and there seems no future for the coach to keep picking any number of back-rowers as his centre partner.
In my opinion, Manu Vatuvei has been a poor choice as skipper. The Beast may well be an attacking spearhead but he hardly utters a word to his team during the heat of battle. When his hands let him down, he becomes an obvious and easy target for opposing kickers.
Hardly an inspiration.
And there are many, many more problems.
Shaun Johnson is a gifted attacking player but his line-breaking skills are seen too rarely. Defensively, he is pretty much in the turnstile category.
He needs to be dropped down a level and learn the basic art of tackling.
We keep hearing that the Warrior pack has plenty of ‘big boppers.’ Terrific, but where are these boppers in the second half of games when the opposition is scoring at almost a point a minute?
This is the NRL guys, big time professional rugby league. Defence comes from inner steel not plasticine, showy tattoos on backs and huge biceps.
I have enjoyed watching some Warriors teams over the years but those were adept at attack and defence.
The current mob is an embarrassment to themselves and their fans.
If they want to salvage some credibility and remain in an Aussie competition, a good start would be to show some spine against Penrith at home this Sunday.
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August 15th 2012 @ 12:29am
sheek said | August 15th 2012 @ 12:29am | Report comment
Good morning Tim,
It appears you have upset the natives this morning – everywhere!
However, I understand where you’re coming from – the NRL is a mostly Australian comp, & if the Warriors don’t value being part of it, then their place should go to an Aussie franchise. Simple enough!
I have an opinion on NZ participation in Aussie-dominant comps (& there are 3 – NRL, NBL & A-League) & it is this – if we’re going to have NZ teams, then it must be two (2) minimum. I truly believe one team doesn’t work.
There should be two NZ franchises in each of the NRL, NBL & A-League.
The main reason is simplistic enough, it takes the pressure off one team, which is basically a pseudo-national team, & spreads the responsibility, & more importantly, the talent & the interest.
So I would have the Wellington Makos join the Auckland Warriors in the NRL; I would have the Auckland Knights rejoin the Wellington Phoenix in the A-League; & I would bring in another NZ team to join the Breakers in the NBL.
For me, it’s either two NZ teams in these comps, or none at all. “One is the loneliest number,” & it doesn’t work. Not at all……….
August 15th 2012 @ 9:40am
PLANKO said | August 15th 2012 @ 9:40am | Report comment
Solving this problem is easy 7th State anyone ? You know it should happen …
August 15th 2012 @ 9:58am
Leo said | August 15th 2012 @ 9:58am | Report comment
No Thanks.
August 15th 2012 @ 11:03am
oikee said | August 15th 2012 @ 11:03am | Report comment
Agree with you Sheek, along with the points i made. Another issue the game needs to sort out and should have happened 10 years ago. Bring in a second Brisbane team. Trying to support a major code in a big city where the only time fans of any code who wish to see a game, (this has nothing to do with what code you like), i am talking about if i felt like taking my friend from China to see a game of rugby league in Brisbane this last weekend, i could not do this, ? Why, i will tell you why, because our code with being a so-called national code wont allow it because they only have 1 team in their major city where this so-called code is supposed to be the major code. PLus the TV desides when a game will be played, i cant look up a set program for the year, again, unlike other real professional codes.
Same as if we went to Perth and wanted to go to a game, in another major city in this country, i cant even see the game on TV, never mind in that city.
Look, everything points to a amatuer run code. The whole mindset of the fans and commission running the game has to change, or this code will never ‘ever’ be anything but a amatuer code. It is designed to stay that way.
August 15th 2012 @ 11:51am
mike from tari said | August 15th 2012 @ 11:51am | Report comment
You should have taken your Chinese friend to Dolphin Oval to see the Phins play the Tigers, top game.
August 15th 2012 @ 2:47pm
Queensland's Game Is Rugby League said | August 15th 2012 @ 2:47pm | Report comment
Or Kougari Oval. Ended up a 16 all draw. Excellent game. Ipswich should have nailed the field goal that they took from close range, but it sailed to the right off the posts.
August 15th 2012 @ 3:27pm
oikee said | August 15th 2012 @ 3:27pm | Report comment
Yes, i am sure billionaires would love spending time in the pigpen. Maybe if it was raining i could introduce him to crowd surfing in the moshpit.
Seriously, Brisbane needs a second team, and i think NZ should have a second team.
Plus the game needs a set game roster. Until this happens the code will always be amatuer, so you will know if it ever turns professional, everything i have mentioned needs to happen, until then, it will be controlled by Sydney and channel 9.
August 15th 2012 @ 3:58pm
NF said | August 15th 2012 @ 3:58pm | Report comment
Rugby league has been professional for decades oikee it’s just the incompetence administration botched rugby league chances of prospering. The ARLC hopefully should bring forward proactive, forward thinking which has been nonexistence in rugby league it’s always been backwards thinking.
August 15th 2012 @ 5:33pm
dogforlife said | August 15th 2012 @ 5:33pm | Report comment
Long live the chook pen
August 15th 2012 @ 9:59pm
Queensland's Game Is Rugby League said | August 15th 2012 @ 9:59pm | Report comment
The Wynnum Manly Leagues club would probably interest the billionaires.
The Chook Pen is always full of happy supporters. They make a lot of noise whenever Wynnum Manly score a try.
The food at Kougari Oval is beautiful.
August 15th 2012 @ 1:10pm
Chop said | August 15th 2012 @ 1:10pm | Report comment
IF the NRL were clever they would ensure that either the GC titans or Brisbane played at home each weekend.
August 15th 2012 @ 3:11pm
Damn Straight said | August 15th 2012 @ 3:11pm | Report comment
And in one fell swoop, the journalistic credibility of Tim Prentice is in tatters. How could a so-called expert give birth to such a poorly conceived, flimsy argument? In his defence, i suppose everyone has on off day
Oh and a friendly little note to the moderator, i don’t understand why you deleted my last comment, there was no swearing, trolling or vilification. Just my humble opinion of the ineptness of this article. Aren’t we allowed to express our opinions here? It is a forum isn’t it?
Feel free to send an answer to this question to my email account, when you’ve finished being a pea-hearted advocate for censorship and political correctness.
August 15th 2012 @ 4:53pm
Tim Prentice said | August 15th 2012 @ 4:53pm | Report comment
I suggest your get some credibility, Damn Straight, before you have the inclination to comment on it.
August 16th 2012 @ 8:00am
nick said | August 16th 2012 @ 8:00am | Report comment
My first comment was moderated (deleted) so ill post it again.
Damn straight has a point Tim. Posting a poorly constructed attack on his ‘credibility’ won’t change how little sense your ‘article’ makes.
This idea that your diatribe is just your opinion and it’s “not better, no worse than others’ often questionable opinions” is really just a cop out that sits rather uneasily in comparison to the erudite criticisms of your ‘work’. Yes, it is just your opinion, but if it’s basically rubbish and completely nonsensical you will have to do better than thinly veiled personal shots at your readers to defend it.
Thats if you think your ‘opinion’ is worth defending. I don’t.
August 16th 2012 @ 1:10pm
Damn Straight said | August 16th 2012 @ 1:10pm | Report comment
Great idea Tim. I’ll go “get some” right after you learn some grammar and spelling.
If i hit a nerve Tim, i don’t apologise. If you are feeling precious, then i wouldn’t scroll down if i was you. A lot of roarers thought your idea was preposterous and ill-conceived.
Being a sports writer, you are going to polarise opinion from time to time. It kind of goes with the territory. If you write nonsense, you will get slammed. It doesn’t mean you are a bad person. So pick yourself up, dust yourself off and get back to writing a better article or be prepared for the passionate and faithful roarers to shoot down your idea. And that’s ok. After all Tim, we are all entitled to our opinions…as are you. This isn’t personal…i actually agree with and enjoy reading a lot of your articles.
As for your aspersion about my lack of credibility, you don’t know me Tim. In my circles of friends, family and business colleagues i am comfortable with my level of “credibility”. You know what they say about assumptions being the mother of all f***ups Tim?
August 16th 2012 @ 1:45pm
Damn Straight said | August 16th 2012 @ 1:45pm | Report comment
Oh, and for every i in the above retort, substitute with an I…honest typo, I swear!
August 15th 2012 @ 12:40am
NF said | August 15th 2012 @ 12:40am | Report comment
Can we get Tim to respond to the criticism of his article? The majority do not agree with what he has written and I wouldn’t mind if Tim come forward with a defense of his writing which is being savaged and rightfully so in my and everyone’s opinion.
August 15th 2012 @ 4:13pm
Tim Prentice said | August 15th 2012 @ 4:13pm | Report comment
Dear Roarers:
It’s great to hear you all in such great voice on a site that welcomes opinions on sports whether you agree with them or not.
My charter here is to give an honest opinion and thanks, you have all responded to mine about the Warriors in inimitable Roar style.
If you cared to read my post carefully, you might have picked up that I’m deeply concerned, no, make that ‘dirty’ about the lack of effort and commitment offered by the 2011 grand finalists over the past few weeks. You can produce all of the excuses under the sun for any team getting flogged but you can also tell when the participants are trying for all their worth, or merely going through the motions.
Are the players in this team “running dead’ to remove coach McLennan? I hope not.
But that’s not my point.
I have admired Kiwi sporting teams over the years for their passion and commitment to the cause but this one is in a downward spiral so fast that serious questions should be asked. How can a professional team go from grand finalists one year to be in a battle with others to avoid the wooden spoon?
The NZ Warriors are competing in an Australian competition and I believe that, in itself, is reason to give of their best week in, week out.
What I have seen lately from the Warriors is in the abysmal class. Of course, I am aware that team form is cyclical, swings and roundabouts etc.
But have you ever seen a Manly, Brisbane or Wests Tigers team turn up for action without their hearts and minds on the job? Maybe, but not in a succession of weeks.
I will repeat myself: if the Warriors don’t improve and show some spine in the remaining weeks, questions should be asked about them.
I did not say ‘THROW THEM OUT NOW BECAUSE THEY ARE GETTING FLOGGED.’ I just sugggested we take a hard look at their future if things do not improve.
If giving a sporting opinion strips me of credibility or integrity in your eyes, so be it.
I respect your right to express your opinion, whether I think it is credible or not.
That’s why we make The Roar our daily habit. That’s why we love our sports.
August 15th 2012 @ 6:59pm
Darwin Stubbie said | August 15th 2012 @ 6:59pm | Report comment
‘But have you ever seen a Manly, Brisbane or Wests Tigers ‘ … Note the eels weren’t in that list
August 15th 2012 @ 9:43pm
Sylvester said | August 15th 2012 @ 9:43pm | Report comment
Sorry Tim, the salient points you make are lost in the over the top hyperbole.
Throw them out of the competition? It’s just a foolish statement, opinion ot otherwise:
The club had teams in three grand finals last year and won back-to-back U20 titles.
Defensively, they have struggled for much of the season. Attacking wise, they’ve been fair to good.
The past few games have been terrible. I think there’s a direct correlation between Mannering’s injury and these blowouts.
Johnson can’t tackle. His line-breaking skills are all there, but playmaking against good teams a tad lacking.
Packer and Matulino (especially) are as good as any props in the competition, but they can’t play all good.
Here’s some facts:
They’re not the worst team in the competition this year.
They’ve had long-term injuries to key senior players (Ropati, Luck, Lillyman, Rapira).
They’re blooding a high number of recent U20s players (Hurrell, Slaimankhel, Taylor, Lousi, Tuimavave, Henry, Ikihihifo etc).
August 15th 2012 @ 11:43pm
The Link said | August 15th 2012 @ 11:43pm | Report comment
Tim, by these standards your Bears would’ve been kicked out of the comp a lot earlier than 1999.
The Warriors are one of the best things going for the NRL. Lets leave this kind of Terrograph journalism where it belongs and not on here.
August 16th 2012 @ 11:21am
clipper said | August 16th 2012 @ 11:21am | Report comment
Tim – it often astounds me to see the amount of vitriol in response to an article or posting – have none of these posters heard of Voltaire? As you say, this is an opinion site (not an agreement site) and you should be able to argue against any opinions, even if they don’t match your thinking.
Although I wouldn’t agree with your article, you do raise some interesting thoughts and have certainly raised the ire of numerous posters, so all in all, a great success!
August 15th 2012 @ 1:10am
Billo said | August 15th 2012 @ 1:10am | Report comment
This seems a very strange article to write on the back of two admittedly poor performances.
If you ditched every club that had a couple of bad games, you soon wouldn’t have a competition.
August 15th 2012 @ 2:09am
AndyMack said | August 15th 2012 @ 2:09am | Report comment
Ridiculous article.
This year quite a few teams have put in a bad performance (or a string of them) including Wests, Sharks, Parra, Broncos, Penrith, Titans and prob a few more. Should we kick them all out???
I would really like to see u in the Warriors dressing room after a loss and tell them that they didnt put in an “effort”. To call your reaction an over-reaction would be an understatement.
August 15th 2012 @ 3:26am
Paul said | August 15th 2012 @ 3:26am | Report comment
so based on this, the Eels should be banished from the NRL.
Well done on a poorly written article. The Roar have seemed to lower their standards on what gets published on here.
August 15th 2012 @ 6:13am
steve b said | August 15th 2012 @ 6:13am | Report comment
Tim are you just trying to put the cat amongest the pigeons or what ,,you can;t be serious..How many clubs has rhis happened to over the years ,, Geez mate if you were trying to get a response i think your about to get one ..Thats just crazy talk you can’t just boot a team because they lose few ,you must be having a lend oi us ?
August 15th 2012 @ 7:03am
Pogo said | August 15th 2012 @ 7:03am | Report comment
If you dropped a team every time they had a poor season there wouldn’t be anyone left.
I think you’re really just offended that there’s a NZ team in the competition, next you’ll find an excuse to get rid of Melbourne and the queenslanders.
August 15th 2012 @ 7:16am
Jammy said | August 15th 2012 @ 7:16am | Report comment
And with this article The Roar hits it’s lowest point.
Wow. Just wow.
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August 15th 2012 @ 3:22pm
Damn Straight said | August 15th 2012 @ 3:22pm | Report comment
Yep. The Roar just bottomed out.
August 15th 2012 @ 7:36am
DamoS said | August 15th 2012 @ 7:36am | Report comment
Nothing article trying to bash a team while down. They were in contention for the 8 until 2 weeks ago, I look forward to your other nothing article about the other 7 times that miss the top 8
August 15th 2012 @ 7:38am
Matt said | August 15th 2012 @ 7:38am | Report comment
Slow news day