How sports gambling cost me
By Hayley Byrnes, 15 Aug 2012 Hayley Byrnes is a Roar Guru
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I’ve wanted to voice my opinion and experience on sports gambling for years. I’ve written drafts, deleted them, re-written them, only to again delete it all.
But in light of last month’s stunning admission from NRL workhorse Nathan Hindmarsh that he battled a six-year addiction with pokies, gambling has again hit the spotlight.
Not for long of course, as soon it will be pushed right back down into oblivion where no one addresses it, until the next athlete’s confession.
Here I would like to share some of the pain it has caused me.
I personally have spent the darkest of hours with a sports gambling addict. Without delving into too much personal detail out of respect to this person, I can however say that for over four years I battled weekly with a live in boyfriend’s gambling addiction.
In the end we both lost.
Sports multis, first try scorers, overs, 13+ start – all this talk was so foreign to me five years ago. I didn’t even know you could bet on sport.
It wasnt until one night in bed after a few weeks of living together with my partner that I started to have any indication there could be trouble in paradise. As we lay in bed, he sat up next to me, eyes fixed on the laptop.
“What are you doing on that so late?” I mumbled.
“Oh just watching a tennis bet,” he replied. 3am rolled around and he was still up, eyes glued to that screen watching live tennis scores like a heroin addict waiting for his next delivery.
A week later he was paid his first match fee for his football club where he had just recently been signed, a nice sum of $7000. It was gone three days later, all thanks to the vortex that I like to call the TAB.
It was about then that the warning signs had well and truly sunk in – I was in love and living with a gambling addict.
And so it went on. The happy beautiful man I fell in love with, so full of life every Friday night before NRL and Super Rugby kick off, would soon disappear before my eyes as Slater would go in for a double, stuffing up his last leg on Storm to win by 12. He became a depressed, grumpy inattentive downer come Sunday arvo (that is if his multi got him that far).
Don’t get me wrong – I am a hell of a strong woman, and tough love did wonders for a while. I left several times, only for the love and belief that we together could beat this demon habit.
The thing about gambling, or any addiction, is that to seek help first and foremost they must admit a problem. This is no easy feat.
It all really came to reality when we went to our first Gambling Anonymous meeting, me in tow as support.
I sat at the back of the room and observed the 20 or so grown men in front of me – suits, fathers, pensioners and husbands, all from different walks of life, yet all victims of ”chasing the next big win”.
I watched as my best friend and love of my life looked down at the floor careful to avoid eye contact with anyone due to his embarrassment.
I watched on, my heart breaking as I saw him break in to sweats, his eyes watering at the realisation of how deep his problem had now gotten.
Ten years prior as a 16-year old kid he was led into the TAB by fellow teammates, unbeknownst to him at the time that one bet would cost him his football career, friendships and his first love.
All because training had been cancelled due to a thunder-storm.
Now back to Nathan Hindmarsh’s admission, reading an extract from his autobiography Old School, which is to be released next week, the sentence that stood out for me most was the following. It’s one I have heard time and time again from numerous athletes:
“I was bored rather than lonely, bored with too much free time and nothing to fill it with. I didn’t have anything to go home to, I had no domestic responsibilities or people to take care of.”
Which begs me to ask the question, do young athletes get educated on gambling? We were all made aware last season of Eel’s halfback Chris Sandow and his gambling problem.
A few seasons earlier back in 2007 former Sharks and Bulldogs player Michael Sullivan admitted to losing almost $500,000 on the punt.
When these stories would be on the news I’d be so happy. “Yes” I would say to myself.
Someone is talking about it! This problem needs a voice, if it’s out in the open then maybe more people will seek help.
But the story would go away as quickly as it surfaced. Everyday we are bombarded with betting odds through every sport we watch – do you know how hard that is for a gambler trying to get clean?
Again and again, the advertising is reeling punters in with the promise of a win.
Jaime Rogers on the TAB ads? Can’t stand her. Luxebet’s Neil Evans? Punish. And Greg Munsie? Just go away.
I could literally go on and on. But who really cares? Out of curiosity I did once put $20 on then Warriors backrower Sonny Fai as a last try-scorer.
He scored in the 78th minute. $780 later I thought, “I can see how people can get carried away”.
I never bet again, and never will. I have nothing against social betting.
It’s just the whole betting while ruining your life that I can’t stand.
There are not enough words for me to express my opinion on the matter. 1000 words into this post and I feel I have only scraped the surface.
I just want to wish anyone luck who is trying to beat it, and I have immense respect for anyone who has. Stay strong.
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August 15th 2012 @ 2:48am
peeeko said | August 15th 2012 @ 2:48am | Report comment
Glenn Munsie – exactly please go away. at least with now the tab offer more competivie odds now due to competition. Also Rabz warren has confessed to losing a lot of his wealth over the years on gambling and still does voice over adds for the tab!
August 15th 2012 @ 5:10am
AndyMack said | August 15th 2012 @ 5:10am | Report comment
Well said Haylo. Prob the best article on the roar in ages!!
It is a problem in society. I like the occassional bet and when I have a win, i can see how it hooks people in.
Nothing wrong with having a bet, but those who want to have a bet know how to find a way, pushing things down peoples throats pulls in the casual betters as well as the people who are struggling and dont need that temptation.
We were happy enough to say no to tabacco companies, we need to say no to gambling companies as well. Those who really want to smoke or have a bet will know where to go, without having it pushed down everyones throat.
Its about time the leading sports bodies decided what is RIGHT rather than what is making them an extra DOLLAR!!!
August 15th 2012 @ 6:56am
steve b said | August 15th 2012 @ 6:56am | Report comment
Yes well said Haylo i to was a problem gambler horses was my fix ,,earning big money and throwing it away for that one big win ,,i was lucky i had a good family and friends who got through to me what a mug i was ,,that was 15 yrs ago i still have a bet but it’s only the odd fifty now..and don’t i wish i could get that money back but you never can ..And this is the first thing that you have to admit to yourself its never coming back no matter how many bets you put on ,,you just have to cut your losses and run ,, and telling yourself the truth about what your doing to those around you ..Because when your caught up in in the hunt for that big win its seems that your mindless to whats happening to whats really going on.To anyone thats been their they know what i’m on about and yes it’s huge problem in our communities ,,and yes i would like to see all advertising on t.v. stopped so the young one’s of today don’t think it’s the norm to go out and have bet .And yes gamblers anon do a great job ,,good luck with it Haylo i hope he can see the light sooner than later..
August 15th 2012 @ 8:24am
oikee said | August 15th 2012 @ 8:24am | Report comment
Nice read, been in this situation twice before myself, in my first marriage.
Just talking to the mrs, we both come to the conclusion it is “personallty” along with “willpower”. Even with a addictive personallity it can channell into other addictions, which is not a bad thing all the time.
I got addicted to collecting Antiques, not a bad addiction because of resale.
Some people get addicted to studying. You can learn and it can be a good thing addiction.
Willpower, this could come down to hitting rock bottom or just having the will to admit knowing you have a problem.
Again talking to my mrs, we have not even had a bet on the Melbourne cup now for 6 or 7 years . So there is light at the end of the tunnell, which can be very foggy and not a happy place.
August 15th 2012 @ 1:17pm
ScottWoodward.me said | August 15th 2012 @ 1:17pm | Report comment
oikee
The greatest gamble a guy can make is to get married and it sounds like you backed a winner…well done.
August 15th 2012 @ 1:31pm
PLANKO said | August 15th 2012 @ 1:31pm | Report comment
Yeah mine should have left me for dead. I will say one thing that my wife did fall in love with the “high flyer”. I was the only guy she had ever met that always “carried”. I was deluded I had debts up to my eyeballs. Several credit cards, apartment in Mcmahon’s Point (rented of course) was on 80k in the mid to late 90′s but always had 500 to 1000 on me at all times.
It was not until we complete combined our finances that she realised how much I gambled.
August 15th 2012 @ 9:34am
Sailosi said | August 15th 2012 @ 9:34am | Report comment
A wonderful article.
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August 15th 2012 @ 9:39am
Will Sinclair said | August 15th 2012 @ 9:39am | Report comment
Great piece Haylo.
I have to admit, I enjoy having a bet on the horses and on sports, and I take advantage of the many conveniences available to punters these days (mobile phone betting etc). I am lucky enough, however, to be able to enjoy a small bet without it getting the better of me (and will happily bet $5 on a game rather than the $50 I used to bet before the responsibilties of kids etc came along).
But I am truly concerned about the way gambling has forced its way into the Australian sporting landscape, to the point where it is absolutely everywhere. Add that to the ease of having a bet these days – with internet banking and internet betting, I can transfer cash from my credit card to my betting account and be gambling with it within minutes should I choose – and there is no wonder more and more people are getting addicted.
Something needs to be done, but its hard to see it happening.
Now that the sports themselves are addicted to the gambling fix, it is going to be a hard habit to break.
August 15th 2012 @ 10:35am
Matt F said | August 15th 2012 @ 10:35am | Report comment
I’m very similar to you here Will (though without the kids.)
I enjoy the odd bet and it’s very easy to do so with the internet and mobile betting etc but the constant adds for betting agencie drives me insane. I can handle the commercials but the constant mentions about the live odds during the game and crossing to people like Glenn Munsie like they’re some sort of expert commentator is far too much. I thought there was legislation brought in to stop this, or is it not in effect yet?
August 15th 2012 @ 1:02pm
The Barry said | August 15th 2012 @ 1:02pm | Report comment
I put a multi on most weeks, am part of a punters club, play poker regularly and the pokies occasionally. With the responsibility of kids and a mortgage I’ve also decreased the amount that I punt.
I tend not to lean towards the “won’t somebody think of the children” type arguments but I’m concerned that we’re going to have a generation of kids for whom gambling as part of sport is normalised. My five year old is getting more and more into footy and I’m dreading the day that he asks something like “what does $2.25 – 3.5 start mean?”
Sports need to be stronger than they are. Anyone who wants to put a bet on knows how and where to get one on, there’s no need to plaster odds all over the screen and give constant updates.
Russell Crowe made a good comment a few years ago when he said something like “when did talking about who was going to win the footy become all about prices and starts ? It used to be about who was in form, who was out injured.”
August 15th 2012 @ 1:22pm
Will Sinclair said | August 15th 2012 @ 1:22pm | Report comment
You’re right about the kids mate – I also worry about what effect this constant advertising will have on them and they way they watch sport.
It’s just becoming part and parcel of the game. Every footy / sports show discusses the odds.
It’s really a massive worry.
August 15th 2012 @ 10:44pm
HayloHaylz said | August 15th 2012 @ 10:44pm | Report comment
Love Rusty’s comment – sad but true.
August 15th 2012 @ 9:41am
Andrew Tilley said | August 15th 2012 @ 9:41am | Report comment
Fantastic article. I get frustrated by the way Channel 9 and Fox commentators just slip in the odds in football games and first try scorers etc like it’s a normal thing to be involved in. The NRL and other sports have to get tough and boycott all sports gambling adverts during games.
August 15th 2012 @ 9:48am
Brett McKay said | August 15th 2012 @ 9:48am | Report comment
Great article Haylo, and thank you so much for taking the time to share your story with us. And I completely agree about the advertising. The legislations have been debated, and I thought had been passed, so the sooner we don’t have to endure commentators spruiking the latest odds the better..
August 15th 2012 @ 9:55am
The High Shot said | August 15th 2012 @ 9:55am | Report comment
Good read, I’m glad I’ve so far managed to avoid this particular vice.
August 15th 2012 @ 9:55am
turbodewd said | August 15th 2012 @ 9:55am | Report comment
Gambling, generally, is for mugs. Nothing good comes from gambling – nothing! Look at what happened to the Pakistani cricket team. To my eyes every cricket contest in the sub continent has a dark shadow over it, which results are legit and which arent?!
Not long ago I heard on the radio about match fixing in sumo in Japan.
We recently had the Ryan Tandy affair when the Bulldogs were at NQld a few seasons ago. His gang bet on a penalty goal being the first pts of the game.
I emailed the NRL recently vigorously questioning the gambling infection and they gave me a so so response. Gambling is a cancer, its anti-family and its got to go.
August 15th 2012 @ 10:36am
oikee said | August 15th 2012 @ 10:36am | Report comment
It is ok the way it is, ignor gambling if you dont like it, the ads on TV dont worry me.
I also like that you can get help if your a gambler now. The last thing you can do is tell people how to run their life. Your asking for trouble.
Trying to stop gambling is similar to trying to stop drinking, trying to stop drugs. It is impossible. Even the world has admitted that trying to stop the drug trade is a failure, and that is the world saying this, not just Kabul.
August 15th 2012 @ 10:49am
turbodewd said | August 15th 2012 @ 10:49am | Report comment
By that logic lets bring back cigarette sponsorship. May as well let players smoke dope at halftime too hey Oikee?
NRL crowds are at 10 year lows, perhaps the fans are staying away BECAUSE of gambling.
August 15th 2012 @ 11:05am
Matt F said | August 15th 2012 @ 11:05am | Report comment
10 year low? According to this http://stats.rleague.com/rl/crowds/summary.html this is on track to be the 5th season ever where average H&A crowds are above 16k.
I do agree that banning gambling outright won’t stop it. As we see with drugs, people who want it badly enough will find a way. However if the decline in smoking rates over the past few dacades is anything to go by, banning all advertising for gambling will reduce the rate by quite a lot. I’d be happy with that
August 15th 2012 @ 11:46am
turbodewd said | August 15th 2012 @ 11:46am | Report comment
Matt F,
now adjust those crowds for how Australia has grown. Let me get those figures from the ABS and, alas, I can show that NRL crowds over the past 5 yrs have dipped :^/
August 15th 2012 @ 1:27pm
The Barry said | August 15th 2012 @ 1:27pm | Report comment
ridiculous
August 17th 2012 @ 10:13pm
Mushi said | August 17th 2012 @ 10:13pm | Report comment
Did you only do cities with rl teams?
August 15th 2012 @ 11:39am
Charles said | August 15th 2012 @ 11:39am | Report comment
Oikee, you have a valid point in saying that you will not stop gambling, drugs etc. However organisations like Rugby League should not promote it neither. What they should be promoting is a healthy lifestyle that you one can enjoy with family and friends. Encouragement to go down the wrong path is irresponsible!
August 15th 2012 @ 1:10pm
The Barry said | August 15th 2012 @ 1:10pm | Report comment
Ban maccas and coke ads while you’re at it…
August 15th 2012 @ 1:12pm
turbodewd said | August 15th 2012 @ 1:12pm | Report comment
The Barry,
Im not aware of families being torn apart by Macca’s or Coke.
August 16th 2012 @ 12:34pm
Damn Straight said | August 16th 2012 @ 12:34pm | Report comment
Very true turbodewd. However obesity, heart disease and diabetes are problems that shorten lives and therefore, potentially, tear families apart.
August 16th 2012 @ 12:53pm
planko said | August 16th 2012 @ 12:53pm | Report comment
Damm straight I agree with you the reason nothing is done and in most cases will not get done cause of cause and effect. eg Drink driving you should be able to do it why not. It is your body it is your car if you hit someone you go to gaol. NO you cant because there a very direct cause and effect when you hit someone we have decided as a society that previously an accepted behavior is no longer acceptable and with good reason. People are not going die straight away from eating fast food or smoke in fact most people will live a full life and will die of something completely unrelated propably a drunk driver. I have posted a lot on this blog.
At no time have I suggested that addicts are not surpose to be held respoonsible for the actions. They need to be eventually it is one of the occasions of being held responsible that could be their rock bottom.
At no time have I suggested banning gambling.
Can we just have some sympathy for those who are addicted and not keep ever increasing quantity of advertisements that seem to be appearing. Half of advertisements are straight out plugs and endorsements from people who should know better.
August 15th 2012 @ 1:18pm
Pot Stirrer said | August 15th 2012 @ 1:18pm | Report comment
So your ok with them marketing to kids to increase thier market in future years ? Your kidding yourself if you dont realise the reality that this is
August 15th 2012 @ 1:52pm
Charles said | August 15th 2012 @ 1:52pm | Report comment
Once again, a stupid reply from so called “The Barry”!
August 15th 2012 @ 2:46pm
oikee said | August 15th 2012 @ 2:46pm | Report comment
Silly statement to make, and again, it is exactly what i said above, it is up to the individual on weather or not they gamble, no government and no police can ban this, even if they tried to would open up a world of hurt, underground gambling casinos, mafia, black market, knives guns drugs and mad dogs. That is just in my street.
Lets not play the goody 2 shoes Barry, gambling keeps most sporting clubs alive, AFL, Rugby, Soccer, even womens netball must gamble to support themselves.
They are involved in soccer now, so women are trying to make a living as well.
Not to mention money back into government coffers to pay for, ?? other stuff.
Lets just help the people who need help Bazza. Getting nitpicky is no help.
Charles, all well and good, i think channel 9 also needs to act, they allow gambling ads to happen. Rugby league is surviving on a oily rag, maybe the AFL should be showing the way, they are the so-called best run code, should they not be leading by example. I hate it when rugby league gets dragged through the mud, yet every other code stays silient.
August 16th 2012 @ 1:42pm
The Barry said | August 16th 2012 @ 1:42pm | Report comment
hahha – read my post above about what I think of gambling adds during the footy.
Charles – you knucklehead…
It was YOU that said that the NRL “should be promoting is a healthy lifestyle”
Are Maccas and coke healthy or unhealthy…? It’s your argument champ…
August 16th 2012 @ 2:04pm
Charles said | August 16th 2012 @ 2:04pm | Report comment
Again another stupid comment from you The Barry! You really are being silly. Sport promotes a healthy life style in many ways and therefore it is a product on its own. Why harm your product by promoting products like gambling! The smart thing to do is promote products to help you keep healthy which is not just in food which is one of many components. No one is asking to ban gambling but promoting it in your loungeroom in front of children is a step too far! The two products are a contradiction to each other!
August 16th 2012 @ 5:12pm
Damn Straight said | August 16th 2012 @ 5:12pm | Report comment
Charles, you need to lay off the coffee. Your excessive use of exclamation marks shows that you are too highly strung.
August 16th 2012 @ 5:30pm
Charles said | August 16th 2012 @ 5:30pm | Report comment
Well that is true I have had a few cups of coffee today! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
August 16th 2012 @ 10:09pm
The Barry said | August 16th 2012 @ 10:09pm | Report comment
Charles twits like you are the reason this debate doesn’t get more air time. Read my post about ten down from the top here and you’ll see my attitude towards gambling ads during footy broadcasts.
Of course I don’t think maccas ads should be banned during the footy. However according to your definition of what the NRL should promote then they should be banned.
You’re pretty free and easy calling people stupid when all I’m doing is effectively agreeing with a ridiculous point that YOU made.
I’m not suggesting banning gambling oiks – I enjoy a punt. I’ve had problems with compulsive punting in the past – not to the same extreme that Planko or the author of this article have had but enough to cause me some difficulty and force me to take action. Now I punt responsibly but still every now and then have a blow out.
August 17th 2012 @ 9:22am
Charles said | August 17th 2012 @ 9:22am | Report comment
The Barry, in the first instance I did not get personal, as you have by calling me a knuckle head and a twit! It is you that are both of these as I had said that your comment was stupid not you personally. I did read your earlier post therefore I thought you were trying to be smart in your remarks, as you have done before in other posts. It is you that is tying up the air space not me. I prefer to debate the issue which is gambling and the problems associated with it, in our sport!