Private School comps could be Aussie rugby’s third tier
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Grade rugby is touted as the breeding ground for Australian talent, but it’s not. It’s the graveyard.
It’s been well documented that top-flight rugby in this country has no backside. Crowd numbers for first grade games dwell in the hundreds and sponsorship is limited to local RSLs on the players’ jerseys.
The obvious culprit for the lack of interest in first grade is the talent pool, or lack of it. In his recent article on The Roar, Clyde Rathbone wrote the gap between Bledisloe Cup and first grade was so great they may as well be playing different sports.
And let’s face it, Daniel Halangahu was the biggest drawcard in a competition that’s about as interesting as the Toyota Cup; and that is to say that it’s not interesting.
Yet it’s worth noting the Toyota Cup managed a viewership of 94,000 people for the Tigers vs Panthers U20s. Go figure.
Of course in meeting this problem head on, the collective genius of the ARU contrived the Australian Rugby Championship; an experiment that was doomed to fail and did so in year one.
If you put a frock on a cat it’s still a cat, and the ARC was merely first grade rugby with a bigger marketing department. They didn’t have enough good players to compete with our expectations of viewable rugby. Super Rugby and international rugby are both spectacles which (generally) meet our expectations, and we pay to watch it. No one will pay to see 30 guys play a little better than you’d be able to.
The first thing a builder is taught is to make sure there’s a good foundation before the slab is poured, and the ARU’s attempt at slapping a third tier into place like papier-mâché was an exercise in ignoring this rule.
Of greater concern, in 2008 the AIS and ARU abandoned the AIS Rugby Program and replaced it with the Australian National Sevens Program. The reasoning was Sevens Rugby presented a supposed opportunity to expand the talent pool, as if getting Fijians to play for your sevens team is going to strengthen the 15 man code. According to the AIS: “Head Coach Michael O’Connor is excited by the new direction for talent identification and development in rugby”.
And there goes the arse, again.
There is, of course, a solution to all of this. And it’s not in convincing people that 7’s rugby is great.
Firstly the ARU needs to stop trying to build off something that doesn’t exist; grade rugby is a distraction. You can’t copy what’s worked in NZ and SA because the Australian market is very different.
The silver bullet staring the ARU in the face is to get young league players absorbed into the private school system.
The heart and soul of rugby in this country is the school system, and more specifically the private school system, where the real business of rugby development is made and broken.
There’s more than enough talent in Australia to compete with NZ and SA, and they’re all playing league.
To get league players into union is a fairly straight-forward leveraging of the private education’s lure.
There needs to be a structured partnership between private schools, with the ARU as the managing body in aggressively pursuing young league prodigies. You can’t invent talent but you can steal it, and once you have it you can build on it.
The schools want this as success drives student registrations (rugby success = range rovers through the door). The ARU wants it as it provides them with access to contracting young talent – by far the best time to secure them – and develops the playing stock at the true grassroots level.
Of course the biggest competitive advantage that rugby has over league is generally considered as the international game, but that’s a mile off for a 13 year old Kurtley Beale. The true core advantage rugby has over league is the lure of a private education, and this is territory league can never move into.
The ARU could provide top-ups to private schools for scholarships. There’s plenty of scope for it. The failed ARC cost the ARU $4.7m in year one – that’s 235 league scholarships at $20,000 each, every year. And these grant could come with contra-deals that require the schools provide ARU-approved state of the art training, playing and medical facilities (most injuries in an adult rugby player’s career are an exacerbation of an unmanaged injury from their school years).
The ARU could own the contracts with the upstarts, trading them with the Super rugby franchises when they’re ready for the big time; the return of these investments can be poured back into their elite programmes.
Of course, an expanded player base demands a better intra-school competition, and the current CAS, GPS comps in Sydney and equivalents around the country are severely lacking. Only 7 competition games in a season is remarkably insufficient, and you don’t get better without playing the best; that’s the whole point of a third tier.
The best of the private schools in Sydney should be playing each other regularly, not just their historical opponents, and also playing the best from QLD, the ACT, and VIC (it’s said there’s a solid school comp in Melbourne, although you wouldn’t know it).
Do this right, and ten years from now you’ll have a school system to rival the US college system. Any American will tell you their college system is the pinnacle for both Basketball and Football.
And for every Kurtley Beale at Joeys there’s six Robbie Farrahs at Patrician Brothers’ College in Blacktown.
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September 9th 2012 @ 7:34am
AndyS said | September 9th 2012 @ 7:34am | Report comment
…cos’ God forbid they might play League because they it actually enjoy it and might just return to it when they leave school at 18, are still 3-4 years away from being ready for Super Rugby, there are no spots for them in the world of 5 man EPSs and nowhere else for them to play.
September 10th 2012 @ 9:42am
Happy Hooker said | September 10th 2012 @ 9:42am | Report comment
“… get young league players involved in the private school system.”
That’s already happened. Its called the Newington first XV.
September 9th 2012 @ 8:12am
Who Needs Melon said | September 9th 2012 @ 8:12am | Report comment
As you so well put it, the 3rd tier can’t be just “first grade rugby with a bigger marketing department”. I’m not sure this schools comp would be the ultimate 3rd tier – the step up from it to Super Rugby would presumably be just as huge as from club land. But with a view to investing in the base, I think this would be a great step forward.
I sense others feel the same way I do here in Oz which is that we’re interested in the young, up-and-comers. I love watching College basketball from the USA for a similar reason – young guys who haven’t yet developed their ‘brand’, busting their guts because they have a short time to shine and are striving to get called up to the big show.
Get our usual legends, commentators and current players and coaches to attend games, talk to the players, build a connection…
It’s not enough on it’s own – sheeks 5 steps the other day rang true with me. But it would be a massive step in the right direction I think. Well done GB.
September 9th 2012 @ 10:51am
sheek said | September 9th 2012 @ 10:51am | Report comment
Hi Melon,
My suggested 5 point plan could be up & running next year because all or most of the resources are already there, just waiting to be realigned into new vibrant structures in an imaginative & progressive way for rugby.
What makes it difficult is changing entrenched ideas already existing.
September 9th 2012 @ 2:22pm
gollygosh said | September 9th 2012 @ 2:22pm | Report comment
The structure is already there.
Schools>Club>Super>Wallabies.
What is missing is MONEY!
Not to pay or buy players,but to provide experienced coaches and administrators.
Imagine how school and club rugby would welcome professional assistance.
Im not talking about development officers,but full on career professionals right through the age groups/grades.
A by product would the emergence of the next successful Wallaby coach !!
September 9th 2012 @ 2:35pm
Johnno said | September 9th 2012 @ 2:35pm | Report comment
True but Knox Grammar apparently found the money to pay 150K for former Scotland and waratah head coach Matt Williams
September 9th 2012 @ 2:45pm
Who Needs Melon said | September 9th 2012 @ 2:45pm | Report comment
Matt Williams eh? Hmm…
What were we talking about? Oh, that’s right – good coaches…
September 10th 2012 @ 11:47am
Happy Hooker said | September 10th 2012 @ 11:47am | Report comment
Yes … and how did Knox fare this season?
September 9th 2012 @ 6:28pm
AndyS said | September 9th 2012 @ 6:28pm | Report comment
The structure is there, but is more accurately expressed as private school>Sydney club rugby>Super Rugby>Wallabies. There will always be exceptions, but we will be permanently hamstrung until we address the exclusionary nature of the first two steps.
September 9th 2012 @ 8:32am
jeznez said | September 9th 2012 @ 8:32am | Report comment
Interesting concept, pretty tough to perform your talent identification at under 10 level though – or would you only see them coming across for years 11 and 12? Would definitely be interesting if for instance the NSWRU partnered with the Sydney GPS to pave the way for a number of kids to come across.
I see this as a great opportunity to nick talent but not a method to create a third tier. On the third tier issue, why do you stick the boot into subbies rugby so much? Subbies is not proclaimed by anybody to be the third tier solution, Subbies sits behind the grade competition as the fourth tier. It is the heartland of the game for participation and rugby really is a players sport.
I don’t know a single person who would state “Subbies rugby is touted as the breeding ground for Australian talent” just a bizarre unwarranted attack on subbies.
September 9th 2012 @ 11:40am
Gravity Basher said | September 9th 2012 @ 11:40am | Report comment
Fair comment re talent identification at 10. The idea being picking these kids up probably year 7 (if you can see they’re really good) and maybe year 10 at the latest. Of course you also have the potential for them going walkabouts – teenage years is not exactly the most balanced period for a kid. But I guess you don’t need to succeed every time.
I should probably clarify to say “Grade rugby is touted as the breeding ground for Australian talent”. I wasn’t referring to Subdistricts rugby, it was incorrect terminology on my part.
PS wasnt slagging grade players either, just the people who spend our money on failed ventures like the ARC ! I went to a subbies semi final last week to watch my mate sit on the reserve bench. They slugged me ten bucks for the privilige. I’m assuming that failed ARC venture just got $10 less expensive….
September 9th 2012 @ 2:42pm
jeznez said | September 9th 2012 @ 2:42pm | Report comment
Thanks for the clarification GB. As far as grade goes I am with you that the standard is not good enough to be the third tier. The ARC did the right thing by shrinking the number of teams and concentrating the talent. The proposal coming from Livingstone and Balmain has me enthused because it looks do something similar with a smaller number of teams but is going to eliminate the majority of the travle/accomodation costs.
September 9th 2012 @ 8:43am
Falco said | September 9th 2012 @ 8:43am | Report comment
Oh dear! Here we go again. Rugby will only develop through the Private School system. This encapsulates what is wrong with the current approach in this country. It promotes the game as one for the privileged minority. This mindset will see the great game of rugby dwindle into obscurity. It is possible to take the game to the “masses” without compromising the game, really. It can actually leaven the game. New ideas, new perspectives, new game plans, and new blood. The ‘public’ schools, and by this I specifically include non-selective public schools, can and should be a prime target. Not only in NSW but Australia wide. A strategic approach backed with resources will lay the foundation for long term growth. There are many schools who battle on attempting to play & promote the game with no support because of this anachronistic attitude. Even in Tasmania. The AFL has shown how it can be done. Come on ARU, get out and have a go!!
September 9th 2012 @ 9:00am
Johnno said | September 9th 2012 @ 9:00am | Report comment
I agree Falco big mistake AFL and NRL develop through public schools and get talant from working class Australia so should rugby.
Some other facts why I think if schoolboy rugby is viewed as 3rd tier we are heading in dangerous territory.
-The standard and professionilsm is getting better anyway but needs more exposure a tv deal.
-But to have high school rugby seen as the major 3rd tier that is entering dangerou territory. NO 1. They are still kids many in the 1st 15 doing there year 12 exams, and don’t want to jeaopardise the University marks. Many already suffer from the the time constraints of playing school sport especially the ones that play the rep footy in the school holidays eg NSW schoolboys.
Have it on tv for sure, i want school boy rugby on tv, but if a schoolboy comp is seen as the 3rd tier in OZ, based on an adult model then it is entering dangerous terrirtory putting pressure to much on the school boys, when 98% of them will never play pro rugby after school.
-The schools are not rugby academies however a tv deal is needed as part of the top-down model and exposure issues. Just like in NZ and STH Africa. It hasn’t harmed schoolboys being on tv in those countries ,. And most after they leave school will never be on tv again so they cope fine and help exposure. Really high tv ratings in NZ and sth africa matching super rugby and ITM and currie cup somtimes.
September 9th 2012 @ 9:18am
jeznez said | September 9th 2012 @ 9:18am | Report comment
Johnno, I’m a fan of the Livingstone proposal (although I think six teams in each city is too many and should only be four). A condensation of the talent of the Shute Shield and Brisbane Premier Rugby to run during the RC seems to me the best shot at a third tier in Oz.
Despite Gravity Basher saying “the ARC was merely first grade rugby with a bigger marketing department” he is wrong/ The ARC condensed 22 teams down to 8 and produced some excellent rugby. This concentration of talent is definitely what is required in Oz and the Livingstone proposal looks the most cost effective way to do it without destroying the grade clubs.
September 9th 2012 @ 9:36am
Johnno said | September 9th 2012 @ 9:36am | Report comment
Jeznez if you go 4 per city. Do you think 8 teams will be to boring. 12 is not to many bordeom wise or you think otherwise.
-With super rugby expansion jeznez I am a beliver mate, that too many teams gets boring. You want all teams to have some chance. 21 teams max and no more. I think if super rugby goes to as conference of liek 32 teams world wide it will get boring as your team only has a 1 in 32 chance of winning or somethoung expansion outraogus 1 n 40, as soem are chatting on here. 20 0r 21 max i can live with.
-WIth 6 teams Livingstone said he is open to marquee imports, so that can cover depth.
September 9th 2012 @ 10:00am
jeznez said | September 9th 2012 @ 10:00am | Report comment
Johnno, the ARC went with 8 and I think it had the right number of teams. If the talent builds up over time then we could look to expansion but the goal with the third tiers is to create a concentration of talent so that the gap from club to Super rugby is not as big.
Maybe 5 is the compromise number of teams in each conference? You could then align a side in each conference to each of the Super teams.
I do think that an 8 team competition with four teams playing finals means too many sides are playing finals so maybe 10 is the way to go.
September 9th 2012 @ 10:49am
sheek said | September 9th 2012 @ 10:49am | Report comment
Jeznez,
Being a bit-picky, you could say the 8 ARC clubs represented about 50 premier rugby clubs, not 22. Although there were hardly any club players from melbourne & perth, & perhaps a handful from canberra, the ARC did represent the players from these comps as well.
September 9th 2012 @ 10:58am
Johnno said | September 9th 2012 @ 10:58am | Report comment
Canberra, Melbourne, and Perth, have to sheek have a say in rugby long temr in OZ i think. I think it’s hsamful the way Sydney especially and Brisbane have treated Canberra rugby over the years. Tried to isolate them as much as possible There was the Canberra grand final yesterday Pat Mcabe got a run.
September 9th 2012 @ 2:12pm
jeznez said | September 9th 2012 @ 2:12pm | Report comment
Johnno, this is why I like this conference based idea that Livingstone presents. You could easily switch it to have say four Brissie, four Sydney, four Canberra, four Melbourne teams etc and just have the leaders of each pool play finals. Anything to get the best of the clubs into condensed teams and eliminate the majority of the travel costs.
September 9th 2012 @ 2:17pm
jeznez said | September 9th 2012 @ 2:17pm | Report comment
sheek, good call. historically those teams have fed the main two comps in Sydney and Brissie but I do take your point that the ARC represented them as well.
September 9th 2012 @ 2:33pm
Johnno said | September 9th 2012 @ 2:33pm | Report comment
Jeznez I must say I am of the converted when it comes to the conference system. It may technically at times lack credibility, and this is a debatable question anyway, but the conference system advantages outweigh the negatives and disadvantages most days of the week I think.
-Less travel costs/travel time
-Player welfare issues better as less travel time
-Fans have spoken in super rugby they prefer local derbies as based on tv ratings $$$$.
-Conference system allows flexiblity to expand and add teams to conference anywhere anytime.
-I wish AFL,NRL, Super rugby did this conference model years ago. I didn’t even understand what conference models were until super rugby brought them in. But they are a winner jeznez and will work well in the 3rd tier rugby by Livingstone and the Balmain rugby club if this 3rd tier actually happens.
September 9th 2012 @ 9:15am
Billy Bob said | September 9th 2012 @ 9:15am | Report comment
Ageed Falco.
Rugby needs the people.
This dependence of aust rugby on the GPS system is unsustainable and now damaging the future of the game.
It costs $25k pa to send a boy to Kings. Don’t know about Joeys but two cousins and a grandfather went there. All ended up playing and loving league.
Private schools are another planet to most Australians. They are a good nursery for talent but not the only one.
Set up a comp between the likes of joeys, matraville high, and other suburban schools in a way that fosters talent across the board and then we might have a ball game.
Gravity, we need to use the traditions of the game, eg. Private school comps and others and funnel those traditions into new and innovative structures- and not perpetuate the narrow old ones.
September 9th 2012 @ 9:23am
jeznez said | September 9th 2012 @ 9:23am | Report comment
BB, 24K as a day student and 35K as a boarder at Joeys.
I’ve thought on this a bit more since my first post above and it just doesn’t make economic sense. If you send the kid from year 7 then the cost is 145,000 – 210,000 for an investment that might pay off about five years after leaving school.
That is a huge long term investment based on scouting that has to happen at a ten year old level? Just doesn’t make sense. I also agree with the posters above who say that it would just entrench rugby as a sport for elitists in the private school system, completely the wrong direction.
September 9th 2012 @ 9:31am
Johnno said | September 9th 2012 @ 9:31am | Report comment
in my day jeznez i was a day student at one of these so called elite schools but left 15 years ago , It was 10 grand back then.
Wow 15K jump in 15 years wow, shows how out of touch i am with high school like 15 years out of touch.
And boarder 35K, Forget it, which regular aussy dad has that coin. “AH NO ONE”.
How on earth can these schools be expected to be the only breeding ground for aussy rugby beats me.
-If you have 2 kids you basically have to be bringing in a household income of 300K at least and consistently too. If you want to send your kids to boarding school your pushing the 400-20K.
-And these fees will only go up. No wonder the wallabies have an image problem or rugby as an elitist sport in OZ. I think the word minority sport in OZ is appropitate too. Like the old NSL days with soccer in the 70′s,80′,90′s..
September 12th 2012 @ 9:39am
Happy Hooker said | September 12th 2012 @ 9:39am | Report comment
Geez Johnno. $10K back then. I’m guessing from your post English was optional then.
September 9th 2012 @ 9:23am
Alex in Canberra said | September 9th 2012 @ 9:23am | Report comment
So private schools are just there for rugby? That’s not why I send my son to one. I want him to get an education, which should be every school’s top priority – not professional rugby development.
September 9th 2012 @ 12:01pm
mitzter said | September 9th 2012 @ 12:01pm | Report comment
No one sends their kid to Eddies or Marist for the education, its for rugby. And no one sends their kid to Grammar for the education, its for the old boys network
September 9th 2012 @ 12:15pm
Mango Jack said | September 9th 2012 @ 12:15pm | Report comment
Neither did I, Alex. The day my boys school opens the doors to rugby scholarships is the day I send them somewhere else. There are way more important lessons than how to catch and pass.
September 10th 2012 @ 11:46am
Pillock said | September 10th 2012 @ 11:46am | Report comment
Exactly the thinking of vast majority of parents, Privte schools are not there to unearth potential wallabies, the fact that thye do is a benefical by product.
The fact is that schools have a very different agenda from the ARU and are wholely independent. The ARU would be better off concentrating their efforts in club land where they can at least get some traction and use a “carrott and stick” approach to inflence outcomes.
September 9th 2012 @ 9:25am
Atawhai Drive said | September 9th 2012 @ 9:25am | Report comment
“Subbies rugby is touted as the breeding ground for Australian talent . . .”
Que? Subbies? Drummoyne v Hunters Hill? Balmain v Petersham? Blue Mountains v Merrylands?
Sorry, GB. Whatever the quality of your subsequent argument, you lost me right there.
September 9th 2012 @ 11:48am
Gravity Basher said | September 9th 2012 @ 11:48am | Report comment
Gday Atawhai Drive,
Jeznez pulled me up on that also, I clarified that I meant to say “Grade rugby is touted as the breeding ground for Australian talent”. I wasn’t referring to Subdistricts rugby, it was incorrect terminology on my part.
Ps go Drummoyne.
September 9th 2012 @ 1:14pm
Atawhai Drive said | September 9th 2012 @ 1:14pm | Report comment
Hi, Gravity Basher. It was facile of me to cherrypick a minor detail.
Ah yes, Drummoyne, the Dirty Reds, the club of Greg Davis and Arthur McGill. A journo colleague of mine played in the centres for them when they last appeared in the Shute Shield. It wasn’t all that long ago, but it seems they are condemned to be the top Subbies team in perpetuity.
September 9th 2012 @ 2:10pm
jeznez said | September 9th 2012 @ 2:10pm | Report comment
and of Uncle Argyle!
September 9th 2012 @ 7:47pm
Philip said | September 9th 2012 @ 7:47pm | Report comment
That’s a fairly neat summary of the dirty reds!
They started shelling out more money for their ring-ins… Not sure what their end goal is… Grade? I think it’s still a way off. Great club though, brilliant group of blokes
September 9th 2012 @ 9:27am
sheek said | September 9th 2012 @ 9:27am | Report comment
Gravity Basher,
Firstly, I congratulate you on putting out a proposal. At least you had the courage to do this.
To even remotely suggest schoolboy rugby as our 3rd tier is an acknowledgment that as a sport we’ve lost it. And indeed that might be true that rugby has lost it.
Schoolboy sport is a breeding ground, a nursery, not a major comp alternate. And Subbies has never been bandied as a breeding ground. Subbies is social – for guys who know they won’t make it to the big time, or have been to the big time & want to just enjoy their rugby.
I’m also opposed to rugby being split into privileged organisations like GPS, CAS, ISA, etc. All senior schools should be competing in the same comp, be they private or public schools. I have ideas of this, but they are for another day.
You’re also disparaging of the ARC in 2007. This has been discussed ad finitum on The Roar. There was nothing wrong with the concept, the concept was sound. It was the implementation that was severely flawed.
But I commend you for having a crack.
September 9th 2012 @ 9:47am
Atawhai Drive said | September 9th 2012 @ 9:47am | Report comment
Gravity Basher, the more measured response from Sheek has shamed me into an apology for pedantically jumping on you for confusing Subbies with Shute Shield rugby. I can see the point you were making.
I don’t see schools rugby as being the answer either. Yes, it would be great if all senior schools competed against each other in unified competitions Australia-wide. In Christchurch, NZ, for example, the annual match between Christ’s College, an Eton-style private school, and Christchurch Boys High School (aka the five-eighth factory, a government school) is one of the highlights of the rugby year. But it’s hard to see a unified schools comp ever coming to pass, not least because the GPS schools provide rugby as part of a young person’s overall development rather than a career path. There is some crossover at trial level, isn’t there?
I was at Stanmore the other day to watch Newington take on Shore. Good crowd (including Nick Farr-Jones supporting his old school, where he never progressed beyond the Seconds), good rugby, Nigel Owens as the ref, and a howling southerly gale to add to the ambience. But a third tier for Australian rugby? No.
September 9th 2012 @ 10:14am
Johnno said | September 9th 2012 @ 10:14am | Report comment
Atthwai rumor going around that James Horwill was in the 4th 15 at some stage maybe in year 11, wow it can happen don’t give up.
Also Phil kearns 2nds at newington and luke burgess at joeys were in the 2nds.
September 9th 2012 @ 10:58am
sheek said | September 9th 2012 @ 10:58am | Report comment
In my year (so long ago) there was a guy from Joeys who went from 4th XV the previous year to Australian Schoolboys the next year.
Also in my year, a guy I knew from Sydney High went from GPS 3rds to NSW 1sts in the space of about a month. It just took various selectors a while to realise how good he really was.
These kind of things are happening all the time. Just because a kid might not be tracking As at 16 or 1sts at 18, doesn’t mean he won’t be Wallaby material at 22.
Rugby today doesn’t adequately cater for “late bloomers”. There is a sneaking suspicion that the ARU sticks with young guys it has already invested considerable money in.
September 9th 2012 @ 11:18am
Johnno said | September 9th 2012 @ 11:18am | Report comment
The whole rep scene sheek at school boy level is a mess. I never played any rep school boy rugby, but now when i remember it there were some vaguely odd selections spins.
-I remember at school Ben Darwin who was odler than me he didnt go to my school, but he went form australians schoolboys to NSW 2nds. Craig wing went from GPS 2nds to aussy schoolboys, a bloke at my school went from aussy school boys to NSW 2nds it is all over the place, school boy rep selections. Plenty of people i knew went form 2nd 15 at school team at start of year to making CAS/GPS 1sts incredible it is a minefield. The lat bloomer theory is why we need some from of 3rd tier comp maybe this Balmain stuff could be the start sheek your guess is as good as mine.
September 9th 2012 @ 11:58am
Gravity Basher said | September 9th 2012 @ 11:58am | Report comment
I think you make a great point. It’s going to be hard to cut your investment if the milk turns out to be sour, so to speak
And it’s worth noting your interest in these kids, the unrealised potential. The schoolboy system is just very interesting, and I think there’s real marketing potential.
The comments so far suggest that whether or not people agree with the validity of a school comp, there’s some element of interest in it if it’s done well.
Also, its obvious this isnt a polished blueprint – there’s be years of planning and contractual considerations, budgets, sponsorship etc – but hopefully it’s a start
September 9th 2012 @ 9:48am
Jack said | September 9th 2012 @ 9:48am | Report comment
Horrible idea. This approach would have the unintended consequence of reducing the number of kids playing Rugby. It would concentrate an small elite of mostly pacific islander kids whose bigger bodies at a younger age would force kids who have played for the school from the U10′s out of their own schools first 15 and possibly out of rugby due to disillusionment. This is against everything the game should stand for. It would also create a very poor culture in the rugby teams within the schools. Not too many years back one school in the ACT concentrated the bulk of the ACT rep. team and the result was a grand final where this school’s forward pack was at least 100 kilos heaver than opposition and a 40 points differential at half time. Saia Fainga’a appeared to be 25k heavier than the opposition rake. Men against boys and disgraceful. The solution for the quality of the Oz S14 and test team is about participation numbers at the junior level and an elite club competition (recruit the young league kids to this comp). The fact that ACT does not have a team in a 3rd tier is evidence of a corruption of influence at senior management of Oz Rugby. Stop kowtowing to Sydney Uni. would be a good start.
September 9th 2012 @ 11:12am
Valleys Diehard of Brunswick st. said | September 9th 2012 @ 11:12am | Report comment
@gravitybasher your very well written and considered article strikes at the heart of what’s really got to change within Aust rugby. As a microsm of the factional disagreements and heavy handed opinions that exist within the ARU, reading the comments above and below mine illustrate that since the professional era, we as a nation of proud, devoted rugby fanatics cannot seem to agree on the structure required to create a winning Wallaby culture. Your idea is as good as a solution as is available.
I was in the Philippines recently, chatting to local and ex-pat rugby fans over there about why the Wallabies have lost their way: the general consensus from them is that the Gold jersey is feared and our team, lacking in size and strength has always “out thought” the opposition ( 2 away from home world cups are testament ), the Wallabies have always drawn from a talent pool as small as Ireland’s ( given the geo-zone bias toward AFL and that a large % of players come from private schools), items said that a never say die Wallaby culture exists and we will regain our poise soon enough.
Without an NPC/ Currie cup/ Provincial championship what have the ARU done? Bugger all. QLD Premier Rugby is full of kiwis, go to a Souths vs Sunnybank game and count the All Black jerseys! At one point a Dan Carter life size cut out was at games and kids were having their picture taken with it. It could be saying something more about the migration patterns and the kiwis overbearing tendency to be All-Black wherever they are, but these people now make up the bread n butter rugby fan in Brisbane. Have a look at the kiwi/ Wallabies that come out of the Brisbane comp. How many more didn’t gain scholarships to a GPS school like Quade recieved? To your point in the article: Find them: School them: Train them: Mentor them. All in the system that already exists- The Sydney and Brisbane GPS, CAS and CIS school system. To those that say its either not already happening or won’t work, these are the breeding grounds for all the Wallaby captains since Farr-Jones
September 9th 2012 @ 7:56pm
Gravity Basher said | September 9th 2012 @ 7:56pm | Report comment
Cheers valleys
Very interesting point you raise about qld rugby. I used to play at sunnybank from U8′s to U15s and in one year we had 13 kiwis in our team. Which is of course why we did pretty well!
September 9th 2012 @ 12:01pm
Gravity Basher said | September 9th 2012 @ 12:01pm | Report comment
weight divisions?