Wallabies fly half Kurtley Beale (R) is tackled by Pumas lock Patricio Albacete (L) and Juan Manuel Leguizamon during Australia's 25-19 Rugby Championship win over Argentina at Rosario on October 6, 2012. (AFP / Juan Mabromata)
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After a week of soul-searching and patch-ups from the touring party, and a massive sharpening of knives at home, a new-look Wallabies ultimately overcame a willing although hapahazard Argentina in Rosario 25-19.
A spine-tingling anthem from the Argentinian crowd farewelled 35yo prop Rodrigo Roncero, but Los Pumas lacked punch in the early stages of the match and allowed a grateful Wallaby team to settle into a pattern of sorts.
The settled look was due in no small part to reborn flyhalf Kurtley Beale who showed his hand early by standing flat and taking on the defensive line. Beale with ball in hand is always dangerous and he stated his case here.
In turn, Timani, Sharpe and Higginbotham were belligerent in the loose, keeping their feet when required, and blasting the Argentinians off the ball on the ground to give Phipps a chance to set the ball away.
For occasional moments, we got a chance to see the traditional Wallaby style of ball-in-hand rugby, a style which was lamented by Wallaby Julian Huxley in an excellent analysis piece earlier in the week.
Huxley noted the lack of accumulated passes in the Springbok Test and it was as if the Wallabies had read the memo, as they made every effort to move the ball about and chance their arm.
It was just the stuff to gratify their jaded supporters at home, and had it come off more often, the clattering of pitchforks and roar of burning torches may have subsided somewhat.
Unfortunately the twin evils of an over-zealous referee and poor handling obliterated any chance the game had of becoming a memorable spectacle.
I’ll concede that Craig Joubert is a technically excellent referee. He knows the laws and it is rare that he is caught with a technically sloppy performance in the manner of say, an Alain Rolland.
But in this way he’s like a parking cop who books a mother with a pram and three kids for overstaying her spot by a minute. Someone should tell Joubert that just because you’re right doesn’t mean you’re right.
He insists on blowing up every infringement he sees, regardless of the effect it may have on the game, or the context in which it occurs.
His pedantic penalty against Australia for going off their feet when they were attacking, Argentina was not contesting, and the ball was sitting at the back of the ruck under Phipps’ hands, showed everything which is wrong with his style.
During one goal kick, when the laser-pest briefly rested on Joubert instead of Harris, a wag remarked “Perhaps he’s trying to melt the whistle”. If only.
The pernickety Joubert doesn’t attract charitable notions. The only thing one could say is that despite his obvious intention to blow the game to a standstill if it didn’t go his way, the players for their part didn’t take the initiative.
Argentina particularly tried several times to spoil the Wallabies ball by loitering over the tackled player and sleazing in on the side, but they lacked the masterful subtlety and the smart choice of moment of the All Blacks. It was like a bad dancer who had seen an Astaire movie and was now trying to glide-step over a tipping chair. It’s only ever going to end badly.
And of course, Joubert wasn’t responsible for the noxious handling which infected both sides. Passing was generally pedestrian, but catching was in the sewer. Atrocious doesn’t begin to describe it. Punishing might be a better synonym.
The humidity didn’t help and Nathan Sharpe remarked after the match at how wet the ball was. Radike Samo, whose hands are as big as laundry baskets, dropped one kickoff cold and juggled a couple more. Nick Cummins lost a kickoff despite some impressive aerial commitment. Ben Tapuai turned over a couple of balls with agricultural skills. But the real pity has to be reserved for the wretched Digby Ioane.
After near self-immolation at his display against the Springboks, Ioane vowed to make amends against Argentina but, if possible, he was worse. After 50 minutes, he had five drops against his name and his confidence had deserted him entirely.
He finished by going into contact with only one thought in mind – “hold the ball” – and was a sad sight surrendering in the tackle. You couldn’t help but feel for one of the Wallabies’ best players of the last two years.
However, when he finally managed to catch one, it was to latch onto a sweet little nut from Beale who was taking every one of his few chances to test the defence.
With Beale standing wide off a scrum 30 metres out, and McCabe drifting away across field, Tapuai ran a slashing and extreme unders line back towards his forwards to fix the defence.
Marcelo Bosch at 13 for Argentina held tight to his fellow centre Santiago Fernandez, but eventually could ignore the drifting McCabe no longer and turned his hips a fraction outwards. Fernandez, on Bosch’s inside, made an ineffectual dive in the opposite direction at the decoy Tapuai.
Ioane momentarily stepped out of his nightmare and roared through the resultant gap like a nitro-fuelled dragster to score under the posts.
The Ioane try was preceded by a period of truly magnificent Wallaby defence on their own line. People say a lot of things about this Wallaby side. They say their skills are sometimes suspect, they spend too much time on their Xboxes and Twitter and that a couple of them wouldn’t qualify under the Sydney Swans recruitment policy.
Those things are sometimes hard to argue, but for anyone who doubts the heart of this particular lineup, just watch this series of phases at 60 minutes, on hostile soil, against a home crowd wielding lasers and against an Argentine side bent on their first Rugby Championship win, with the score at 15-12.
The game was in the balance, but Sharpe, Hooper and Robinson all repelled raids with hard-shouldered tackling, and when the ball finally went wide, debutant Cummins flattened an Argy back and the tireless Higginbotham made the essential cover tackle to shut it down.
It was the sort of ticker that Wallabies fans demand, and appreciate, and they will never mind a loss if it is accompanied by such wholehearted commitment to the cause. As forwards coach Andrew Blades said after the match “We were very proud of their commitment” and he has every reason to be.
Indeed, several players laid claim to incumbency status. David Pocock for instance, having seen off the maestro George Smith, must be feeling suddenly odd at the idea that he in turn, is being pressured by the incredible form of his replacement Michael Hooper.
Hooper simply did not stop. His aerobic fitness is beyond normal human limits and his speed from a lineout steal after 50 minutes of rugby made him look ridiculously fresh.
Indeed, he put a great rushing shot on an Argentine back at 77 minutes when the game was effectively over. His heart and willingness is of inestimable value.
Higginbotham for once used his bulk and athleticism to good effect and chose his moments well. Harris, for some a lamentable selection at fullback, showed the value of building a score through a reliable kicker. The metronome of points gives sides a rare confidence in tough games.
McCabe held up the midfield and whilst not flashy, is as consistent as the tide. He must be a joy to play alongside, if not always to watch.
Beale of course, when given the ball with space and time, showed that he is in all probability a better flyhalf than his flaky henchman Quade Cooper.
While both have quicksilver moments of true genius, Beale picks his moments better and his defence is genuine Test quality. What an odd feeling it must be to know that the better you play, the more likely it is that one of your good mates is out of a job.
Finally, the debutant Nick Cummins had limited opportunities and dropped one kickoff cold, although he was jarred in the air, which may not have helped. Despite this his defence was tough and he had the air of a man who actually gets better with the step up in quality.
I have no scientific basis for saying this, and I’ll probably be laughed out of the joint, but a strange instinct tells me that Test football will be the making of Cummins, and the Wallabies could do a lot worse than persevere with him. Rob Egerton was a similar talisman for the Wallabies of 1991.
So what does all this mean for the Wallabies, and more to the point, Robbie Deans? Pardon the analogy, but Deans must be feeling like the daggy sheep at the back of the mob. Bitten by the dogs, butted by the rams, pushed along by the farmer and harassed on all sides, he must be wondering exactly what he has to do to get some sort of a break.
Few people believe that Deans should be in charge for the Spring Tour. Even fewer think he is the man to take the Wallabies through to the Lions series next year. Certainly the man himself must be exhausted by the Sword of Damocles constantly hanging over his head.
But this win shows that Camp Wallaby is at its best when its back is to the wall, which in turn suggests that the players must share some of the blame. After all, had they held some more ball in this Test, there was enough of a pattern to suggest that they know what to do and that a strategy exists. Their set piece try was excellent quality.
Deans has often been legitimately criticized for his selections, not the least of which was his fatal gamble in taking a single specialist open-side to the World Cup. One wonders how much he is now paying the price for selecting first the navel-gazing individualist Cooper, and then the clearly gunshy and kick-happy Barnes, in the drivers seat for most of the last two years.
Whatever his logic then, the welcome arrival of Wallaby ticker, Michael Hooper and Kurtley Beale may perhaps have bought him just a little more time.
Andrew Logan has played rugby for over 25 years. A contributor to The Roar since its inception, he also writes for Inside Rugby magazine, and Super Rugby and international match day programs. A regular panellist on ABC Grandstand discussing rugby and other sports, Andrew has appeared on ABC's The Drum and also Sky Sportsline. He has convened and managed several touring sides including the Australian Rugby Sevens team on the IRB circuit, and the Australian Barbarians XV.
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October 8th 2012 @ 7:13am
Justin2 said | October 8th 2012 @ 7:13am | Report comment
Thanks for the link to Huxley article. I’d suggest everyone read it, it’s telling, very telling.
October 8th 2012 @ 7:56am
stillmissit said | October 8th 2012 @ 7:56am | Report comment
Great article Andrew and right on the money for my money. Beale is most probably at an age and experience level where he should be persevered with at 10. We have always known that he has excellent skills and speed (providing he doesn’t get too much fat or muscle) and Australia needs a 10 with creativity, in fact you could easily argue that all teams need one.
Cummins was robbed of chances that were constantly given to Ioane, still that is understandable as he has been our most effective back for the last couple of years and everyone can have an off day. Timani at 6 I thought worked and when Douglas was injured I thought that Higginbotham played well – maybe he thought TImani had gone well too and he had better step up or let another player threaten him.
What the hell do we do? We have too freak open-sides AGAIN! Let’s hope these two can do for Australia what Smith and Waugh did. Still it would be fantastic to have a Keiran Reid (best player in the world IM not so HO) to add to the mix.
October 8th 2012 @ 7:59am
Andrew Logan said | October 8th 2012 @ 7:59am | Report comment
Stillmissit….I said to NZ journo Marc Hinton yesterday that I thought Read was now better than Zinny. He thinks a little way to go yet. Not much to go I don’t think.
October 8th 2012 @ 10:40am
atlas said | October 8th 2012 @ 10:40am | Report comment
Read has yet to kick a drop goal in an international – ZB v England, 1995.
Other than that . . .
Different eras, teams around them and the playing styles of the day
What about saying they’re both bloody good?
October 8th 2012 @ 10:45am
ohtani's jacket said | October 8th 2012 @ 10:45am | Report comment
Sam can correct me, but the first time I really remember Zinny having a break out performance was against the Wallabies in the one-off test in Sydney in ’94. Not sure that Read has had *that* game yet, but the next four years will be his time to cement himself as an All Black great provided he can stay healthy.
October 8th 2012 @ 10:52am
Jerry said | October 8th 2012 @ 10:52am | Report comment
Yeah, the thing about Zinny is that, while he’s remembered as an all time great, he was pretty damn inconsistent for the first few years of his AB career. It was really only the last 3 years of his career (95-97) that he consistently performed at test level and was the Zinzan Brooke that people tend to remember.
There was an interesting contrast with him and Ma’a Nonu on Planet Rugby recently. Nonu is generally considered to be quite inconsistent as he took a while to really adapt to test rugby and cement a starting spot, but he’s been a first choice AB and a consistent performer for 5 seasons now.
October 8th 2012 @ 11:26am
Acorn said | October 8th 2012 @ 11:26am | Report comment
errr Read is much better the Zinzan. Read’s only 26 and has been a gun for about 2-3 seasons now, and he’s only getting better. Zinzan had 2-3 good years towards the end of his career and that was it. Early days he was all over the show. Read has so many dimensions to his game too- a link player in attack (I think involved in 2 tries vs SA on the weekend) and not afraid to do the tough stuff defensively (first 40 minutes of that test). He was immense on the weekend, especially when faced with the fired up Saffas in the first half,
October 12th 2012 @ 10:19pm
liam said | October 12th 2012 @ 10:19pm | Report comment
how many times has read picked up freak passes around his legs, held onto it and managed a freak pass of his own to a winger for a try to finish an overlap? getting up to the double figures in tests. unbelievable. there arent many backs with that kind of ability let alone forwards.
October 8th 2012 @ 8:04am
Justin2 said | October 8th 2012 @ 8:04am | Report comment
Timani was at 6 for about 15 mins. The game changed with the right team on and Higgers breaking the line with speed and power (nice to see, been missing in gold from him). Timani bends the line as a set move but he isn’t a 6, far too slow.
October 8th 2012 @ 8:18am
Jutsie said | October 8th 2012 @ 8:18am | Report comment
Higgy had his best game at wallaby level. Now if only we can find an 8 that isnt ancient or made of glass.
October 8th 2012 @ 9:19am
stillmissit said | October 8th 2012 @ 9:19am | Report comment
Jusatin2 – disagree re speed he is fast enough but not a natural 6 and his best place is in the row. Still I thought it was an ok move and took the sting out of the expected but didn’t arrive argies attack in the first 15.
October 8th 2012 @ 2:19pm
Red Kev said | October 8th 2012 @ 2:19pm | Report comment
I would still like to see him as an eightman, it is not like he’s a lineout asset.
October 8th 2012 @ 2:22pm
Jutsie said | October 8th 2012 @ 2:22pm | Report comment
I dont mind him being in the backrow either, as you say they hardly use him in the lineout but do you think he’d be able to control the ball when our scrum is going backwards, or would his height be a factor.
October 8th 2012 @ 2:49pm
bluerose said | October 8th 2012 @ 2:49pm | Report comment
did anyone noticed Timani @ the back of the maul in the opening minutes?, with his bulk and power he should be in the front or the middle providing maximum thrust to our maul, let the smaller Hooper or Tatafu control the ball from the back, bad decisions or bad coaching?
October 8th 2012 @ 3:02pm
Jutsie said | October 8th 2012 @ 3:02pm | Report comment
Hooper or pocock are usually the designated pilots of the maul so Im going to give robbie an out here and say it was an honest mistake by the playing group.
But yeah I saw that and the maul was all over the shop, luckily timani was able to turn the collapsed maul into decent ruck ball.
October 8th 2012 @ 8:58pm
Die hard said | October 8th 2012 @ 8:58pm | Report comment
Do you not think it a great shame that his position wasn’t identified several years earlier so he could propery learn the craft against more appropriate opposition. My greatest moan about Aussie rugger is the continual clutching of short tem solutions. As soon as a talent is found they are dumped into a firsts teamand talked up. A few years playing less minutes as a backup or at a lower grade (even if demeaning) is where the poise and space that the champions have comes from. To try and aquire that experience at Super and Teat levels is unfair on the whole team let alone the individual.
Most players are expert in one position and the rare example might be good at two. The Australian way seems to be play ‘em everywhere and lets see what happens. I still don’t know where JOC plays. Could be anywhere. Surely you can see the shame of that. If Beale is to be first five eight then he should play there from now on and never change. (Would be one less position for JOC to consider). It might take the first season to teach him not to crab sideways even if it works occassionaly.
October 8th 2012 @ 8:07am
mania said | October 8th 2012 @ 8:07am | Report comment
tapuai was average. not sure if he’s a test centre yet.
October 8th 2012 @ 7:56am
stillmissit said | October 8th 2012 @ 7:56am | Report comment
Agree good skills but greedy and needs honing.
October 8th 2012 @ 8:05am
mania said | October 8th 2012 @ 8:05am | Report comment
at the wrong times stillmissit. one time he should’ve passed and another when he should’ve held onto to it and both times he made the wrong decision. he needs to be a lot more accurate
October 8th 2012 @ 9:17am
stillmissit said | October 8th 2012 @ 9:17am | Report comment
Yes Mania correct as usual … I just hate it!!!
October 8th 2012 @ 9:24am
mania said | October 8th 2012 @ 9:24am | Report comment
my bad stillmissit. still as i said last week nothing more dangerous than a wb’s side with nothing to lose and they showed that kinda heart that always psses us kiwi’s off.
tapuai has a lot to learn but also has a lot of skill to help.
October 8th 2012 @ 8:00am
Justin2 said | October 8th 2012 @ 8:00am | Report comment
Taps was far from perfect but for me he showed so many things our other current centers lack. He can pass (yeah messed an opportunity, exception rather than rule) , offload in the tackle, beat defenders inside and out, defends and tackles well, runs good lines, has a rugby brain and a required left foot that is very important to give left and right clearing options.
I believe he is the type of player hat must be played, the dross we’ve witnessed in the last few years is all the evidence you need.
October 8th 2012 @ 8:18am
mania said | October 8th 2012 @ 8:18am | Report comment
j2 – he definately seems more skilled than the usual centres and maybe evolve to be great. but for his 1st test seemed he was trying to more show case his skills instead of doing what it takes to make a contribution
October 8th 2012 @ 8:30am
Justin2 said | October 8th 2012 @ 8:30am | Report comment
Fair enough but the bigger picture is obvious to me mania and I would suggest he is ready for test football. Compare jhis skill set to noun when he started – chalk and cheese though mas line breaking ability was unreal.
October 8th 2012 @ 9:01am
Albo said | October 8th 2012 @ 9:01am | Report comment
Agreed. It was the line breaking ability that did it for me. We haven’t had someone in the centres with the ability to break the first tackle in a long time. It was really encouraging.
October 8th 2012 @ 9:04am
mania said | October 8th 2012 @ 9:04am | Report comment
j2 and albo – def has promise. i’ll reserve judgement for now
October 8th 2012 @ 9:14am
Albo said | October 8th 2012 @ 9:14am | Report comment
mania – and you’re probably the smarter one for it
October 8th 2012 @ 9:15am
mania said | October 8th 2012 @ 9:15am | Report comment
i hope so albo. tapuai has a lot of potential
October 8th 2012 @ 11:51am
Jutsie said | October 8th 2012 @ 11:51am | Report comment
I would love to see the bulk of this backline persisted with.
-Mccabe and taps is my centre combo moving forward, maybe swapped around but I think they should stick with these guys. Good mix of aggro in defence and straight running courtesy of mccabe coupled with some class from taps (who is no slouch in d either).
JOC at FB instead of Harris when he returns to full fitness (he has indicated this is his favoured position too). He is an accurate goal kicker and is secure under the highball
-Genia back at halfback obviously but keeps phipps there till he returns from injury. Im not as down on phipps as others, he needs to work on his accuracy but he keeps a good tempo and gets the backline moving forward at pace.
-I dont mind sticking with cummins and diggers either on the wing although I think digs may need some time on the bench just to send him a message, he needs a kick up the proverbial atm.
October 8th 2012 @ 3:29pm
PeterK said | October 8th 2012 @ 3:29pm | Report comment
Jutsie – almost agree, same people different positions
Genia, Beale, Ioane, Taps (at 12), Cummins (at 13), McCabe, JoC.
McCabe just does not pass when taking the line on, always dies with it, the only pass he can do he stops and turns his shoulder (thus advertising it) to where he is passing.
Taps and Cummins both pass the ball. McCabe is quick enough for wing put him there.
He can always run inside like Ioane as a variation.
Mind you both Cooper and Lealiifano are better 10′s so if one of them are at 10 then Beale to 15 and JoC to wing.
October 8th 2012 @ 3:35pm
Jutsie said | October 8th 2012 @ 3:35pm | Report comment
PK it will be interesting to see where CL fits into all of this if he continues his form next year and has an uninterrupted season. Im looking forward to seeing him in a green and gold jumper thats for sure.
Mccabe gave a pretty nifty offload on sunday, not sure if you caught that. I think he is the sort of bloke who is willing to learn anything his coaches implement and no doubt his skills will improve the longer he is under larkham’s tutelage, but I am fine with your positional switch as cummins showed some great form with the force at 13 this year.
October 8th 2012 @ 10:11pm
Markus said | October 8th 2012 @ 10:11pm | Report comment
Larkham has been reintroducing a lot of classic set backline plays into the Brumbies attack, which were used to devastating effect in a few games.
McCabe really looked to thrive with that added structure, as did Lealifano (in conjunction with his own natural flair), but then McCabe often looks to be uncertain in attack again when back for the Wallabies this year.
I genuinely wonder if many of the Wallabies backs are struggling under the ‘play what is in front of you’ coaching ethos.
October 8th 2012 @ 8:54am
Albo said | October 8th 2012 @ 8:54am | Report comment
Considering he was playing out of his preferred position, in a new away environment, I thought he showed enough that he should be counted as a genuine option.
Yes he had some jittery moments but considering just how little rugby he has played over the last however many months I was super impressed with his skills. That ‘nana kick was risky but showed the wide range of skills we could use at 12.
Needless to say he won me over.
October 8th 2012 @ 10:40pm
Myles said | October 8th 2012 @ 10:40pm | Report comment
Agreed. Nothing less than shocked at his inclusion
October 8th 2012 @ 8:28am
kingplaymaker said | October 8th 2012 @ 8:28am | Report comment
I find this article left pretty negative towards Deans but for reasons that have been gone through on here enough before.
Suffice to say that I don’t think Beau Robinson or the ailing Phil Waugh would have made the slightest difference to the world cup results.
October 8th 2012 @ 8:32am
Justin2 said | October 8th 2012 @ 8:32am | Report comment
Well the we have more balance on the roar today than the wallaby pack had starting Sunday. You can read spiros positive deans piece too
October 8th 2012 @ 8:44am
nickoldschool said | October 8th 2012 @ 8:44am | Report comment
i think you are being overly defensive re Deans kpm. i actually found Andrew’s assessment on the Deans situation pretty well balanced and honest.
i really dont hink he was having a go at him, outlining the pressure our kiwi coach is under at the moment but also saying the ‘players have to share the blame’. Pretty fair imo no?
I know your points about injuries etc and quite agree that Deans has had to deal with countless injuries and, after all, did ok. However, its fair to say that it took him a while to make some decisions (Beale at n10 i.o Barnes being one). Anyway, good and fair article imo.
October 8th 2012 @ 9:50am
kingplaymaker said | October 8th 2012 @ 9:50am | Report comment
Well fairness is in the eye of the beholder I suppose nos. The penultimate paragraph for example makes me wonder who the author would have selected in Deans’ place.
Justin it would be great if H could replicate that performance against the ABs and SA.
October 8th 2012 @ 10:19am
Mike said | October 8th 2012 @ 10:19am | Report comment
NOS, good point, but in fairness to Deans he didn’t have Beale available for the first two tests against Wales so he had no choice to choose Barnes for them. Then it was a question of whether to keep faith with Barnes at 10 when Beale returned for the third match.
Then come the RC, Beale had his shocker in the match against New Zealand and Deans also decided to give Quade Cooper another go at No 10, which many people were demanding as Quade’s god-given right, while others damned Deans for even considering it!
October 8th 2012 @ 12:00pm
nickoldschool said | October 8th 2012 @ 12:00pm | Report comment
Fair points mike and kpm.
As a non Deans- hater / non Deans-lover myself, I felt Andrews position was fairly close to mine and quite honest and balanced. All coaches, players, people etc make mistakes and there is no question RD has made a few in his tenure at the wallabies.
There is also no doubt in my mind that he fas faced adversity like not many before him particularly from ppl questioning his allegiance and professionalism as he was a ‘non Aussie ‘ or even worse, a kiwi! That was what shocked me most as like him or hate, you just can’t IMO question Deans commitment and professionalism. But am not surprised that a big minority (majority?) of Aussies have a problem with ppl being born overseas.
October 8th 2012 @ 1:26pm
Justin2 said | October 8th 2012 @ 1:26pm | Report comment
“But am not surprised that a big minority (majority?) of Aussies have a problem with ppl being born overseas.”
Can you explain this please NOS?
October 8th 2012 @ 2:58pm
nickoldschool said | October 8th 2012 @ 2:58pm | Report comment
Will try Justin2.
When complaining about Deans, many Aussies advance the fact that he is a kiwi and therefore can not do a good job as wallabies coach. Many have asked him to be replaced by an Aussie as only Aussie born ppl can be passionate and excel at this job. They dont even bother talking competencies etc, no, a kiwi born lad is intrinsically ‘pro AB ‘ and can’t do a good job coaching the wallabies.
Have heard the same about sportsmen, politicians (Christina Keneally coped a lot because of her yankee accent) and other ppl. When you don’t perform, you are not an Aussie anymore and masses question your aussieness. Have worked in industries with many non Aussie born ppl and it was the same. Being French-Aussie myself, I have experienced that a lot too in my time in oz. am not saying it only happens here don’t get me wrong but it does happen. Ignorance is everywhere and certainly here too.
October 8th 2012 @ 3:44pm
Jutsie said | October 8th 2012 @ 3:44pm | Report comment
NOS as an immigrant myself, I agree there is an element of the aus population that fits the description you have detailed. However being the optimist I hope its a minority (a very loud minority).
I think sol trujilio brought this to light after he finished his tenure at telstra (although this could be covering for the fact he did a terrible job).
October 8th 2012 @ 4:25pm
nickoldschool said | October 8th 2012 @ 4:25pm | Report comment
You’re probably right Jutsie!
What I find funny in this case is that Deans is far from perfect but the argument of him being a kiwi hence not 100pc committed is just idiotic to say the least! I actually think that it was an extra source of motivation: didn’t get the AB job, what a better opportunity to prove his detractors wrong than winning coaching the wallabies?!!! That’s how I always saw that so when I read ppl asking for his head as he probably doesn’t care enough being a kiwi it just drives me mad!!
Plus he comes from the most successful rugby country on the planet, from the best rugby franchise in the world etc… Why would he suck at his job because of his nationality??! Pure nonsense. Japan didn’t think Kirwan wasn’t Japanese enough, same with Jones now.
October 8th 2012 @ 2:00pm
kingplaymaker said | October 8th 2012 @ 2:00pm | Report comment
That’s the real reason for 99% of the criticism of course nos and why so much of it is nonsensical.
October 8th 2012 @ 4:37pm
aussiekiwi said | October 8th 2012 @ 4:37pm | Report comment
Off topic, I heard a very funny interview with Stephen fry last week. When asked about his view of Australia He said Aussies have a massive inferiority complex and so have to inject nationality into everything. His punchline was along the lines of, if Aussies are making an ad for toilet paper, its not just soft and strong, it has to be, wipe your Aussie behind with aussiewipes.
I think this mentality make it that little bit more difficult for Deans
October 8th 2012 @ 8:38am
mick-e said | October 8th 2012 @ 8:38am | Report comment
It was great the Wallabies gutsed out a win but the game was ugly and accuracy, compared to the ABs for example, woeful. Hooper certainly was a standout, Polotau-Nau was on fire at the breakdown, I dont think Higginbotham was as good as suggested here, and Beale, while he has introduced spark, made a hell of a lot of errors ,which against a great side like the All Blacks will be punished. I wouldnt want to front up to the ABs with Tapuai, Cummings, Harris at fb, and Ioane and Beale fumbling ball. and Phipps showing all the hessitation he did. Look at the ABs accuracy in the second half and you will see what the problem is. Their support of the ballcarrier is outstanding-tryscoring options left and right. Who was in support of Hooper when he made is break. It took an age for the others to get there.
We have a long long way to go but this is a small step in the right direction.
October 8th 2012 @ 8:53am
Sailosi said | October 8th 2012 @ 8:53am | Report comment
I really like the look of Beale at 10 but sometimes i think he tries to play the game too quickly and often forgets about the effect this can have on the players inside and outside of him. I would really like to see Tapuai and Beale play at 10 and 12 for the next ten tests. Try and build up an understanding. Some of the drop ball on the weekend was due to the fact that it looked as though people didn’t kniw what the other was doing. On a number of occassions we saw both the ball handler and the reciever having to stop and change their line and passes were going in front and behind.
October 8th 2012 @ 9:10am
Albo said | October 8th 2012 @ 9:10am | Report comment
Beale at 10 makes sense for me. I know a lot of people still see his best position as 15 however he has not played well at the back for a while now. He has lost some of that youthful zip which made him so destructive and although he’s still only 23 I think the time to migrate to 10 should be now where we can develop and hone his skills.
I see the best backline mix involves either a safe 10 and an exciting 15, or vice versa. Perhaps the time has come to revert back to a solid fullback a la Matt Burke and allow Beale (or even JOC) to do his (their) thing closer to the defensive line.
October 8th 2012 @ 9:12am
Sam Taulelei said | October 8th 2012 @ 9:12am | Report comment
Nice to read you on the Roar again Loges, it’s been too long.
I hadn’t read that article from Julian Huxley but in a different forum I made a similar observation last week when the question was asked – Do people think the problem is the cattle? :
“It’s unusual to see Australian rugby teams play so conservatively when traditionally they would use the ball more often than the opposition because they didn’t have the forward packs to guarantee a regular supply of quality possession
The Reds over the past two seasons have been the closest to a traditional Australian rugby style that was their hallmark over the decades. Preferring to move the ball by hand rather than kicking it for territory as the first option. They would shift the point of attack from around the rucks to the midfield and wings where their lack of size wouldn’t be as great a disadvantage and back their speed, fitness and ball skills.
That was then, now all we see is a hybrid league style of football that is boring to watch, not altogether satisfying for some players to play and not producing results at U20, Super and international level.
When I was a kid watching rugby, the accepted wisdom about the Wallabies was that when they finally developed a strong forward pack they would be world beaters because they always possessed backs that were the envy of the world.
That’s the point of difference that has been missing from Australian rugby for a long time and not just since Deans became coach.”
October 8th 2012 @ 9:19am
Ben.S said | October 8th 2012 @ 9:19am | Report comment
Seconded. Good article, Andrew.
October 8th 2012 @ 9:23am
Andrew Logan said | October 8th 2012 @ 9:23am | Report comment
G’day Sam – good to be back!
October 8th 2012 @ 9:58am
Billy Bob said | October 8th 2012 @ 9:58am | Report comment
Good article. Loved the poetry and metaphor Andrew.
Though Deans should be congratulated for knitting a winning team out of a mob of marsupials.
The idea that he has ‘bought some more time’ is not neutral journalism as much as Spiro’s Robbie love is not either.
But what you wrote of the players and team was fun to read.
October 8th 2012 @ 10:00am
sheek said | October 8th 2012 @ 10:00am | Report comment
Good morning Andrew,
Welcome back – we missed ya!
I thought the match was an aweful spectacle, but that’s another story for another day, I guess. Some thoughts.
1. The lasers. How dangerous is this? I guess the authorities were caught off-guard, or were too casual. But the practice will be mimicked unless authorities close down this offensive behaviour quickly. In the future, players will be entitled to refuse to continue a match if this persists.
2. The Pumas. This has been a steep learning curve for them, & they can only get better. One thing they would have learnt is a need to develop other aspects of their game outside the scrum. I’m sure they will be quick learners. The Pumas are an enormous boon to southern hemisphere rugby.
3. The Wallabies. This patched up team played with with more purpose & intent than better credentialed players earlier in the season. Why is this? All most of us ask is that the Wallabies give their best every time they take the field, but it’s evident that sometimes some of them aren’t putting in as much as they should.
4. Nathan Sharpe. How good is Sharpie? There was a time just a few years ago when it seemed Sharpie was going through the motions. But cometh the hour, cometh the man. When Australian rugby needed a senior, experienced player to stand up & hold the fort, Sharpie was the man. He has added to the wonderful legend of individual Wallabies.
5. Kurtley Beale. Perhaps through circumstances & accident Beale now appears the man for the Wallabies at #10. Both Cooper & Barnes have been tried with mixed results, mostly disappointing. Beale will only get better the more time he spends honing his skills. We can only hope that like Larkham back in 1998, Beale will now give this Wallabies team a new dimension & exciting direction.
6. Poor basic skills. This is an endemic problem with our leading players right across the park that isn’t going away anytime soon. Poor skills not only means we struggle to win games, but it also means the players can’t play in a manner they might otherwise want to, or the fans would like to see from them. This is a matter that requires urgent attention.
7. Craig Joubert. Normally I reckon Joubert has a terrific feel for the game, & does his best to let it flow. But he really had his whistle in his mouth this test. Sometimes a ref will blow a lot of penalties early to send a message to the players. On this occasion, either the players weren’t listening, or were unable to accede to Joubert’s wishes, or maybe Joubert had too much red beef & red wine the night before!
All in all, the positives outweigh the negatives. For the moment, anyway!
October 9th 2012 @ 6:40am
soapit said | October 9th 2012 @ 6:40am | Report comment
to be fair on joubert i think he was hoping the argies and aussies would adjust and stop illegally slowing the ball down and hanging offside we’d get an open game. they just never did. its the players faults as much as the refs.