The Magnificent Seven: the best openside flankers ever
By Uncle Argyle, 24 Oct 2012 Uncle Argyle is a Roar Guru
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1984 Grand Slam Wallabies Mark Ella, Steve Williams, current coach Robbie Deans, Alan Jones, Roger Gould, Simon Poidevin and Andrew Slack arrive at the John Eales Medal Awards in Sydney, Thursday, Oct. 22, 2009. AAP Image/Sergio Dionisio
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When John Sturges directed an adaptation of the Seven Samurai in 1960 called ‘The Magnificent Seven’ I am pretty sure he was not expecting his movie to be the title of a rugby article some 52 years later.
This is about seven men who have worn a jumper bearing that number in the running game. Men who not only wore it, but by their performances enshrined the open-side flanker as one of the most revered positions on a rugby park.
These ‘Magnificent 7’ I am to tell you of, are in my opinion the authors of what we readers now understand is ‘the openside flanker.’ They are the pioneers of the position.
They are a rare tough breed; they are the first to arrive and last to leave; they are gun-fighters with their own warrior code of ‘do whatever it takes to win the ball.’ They are heroes to some; magnificent to most.
Laalui Michael Niko Jones of New Zealand and Samoa
The Iceman. God’s warrior in Heaven is the Arch-Angel Michael, and Michael Jones has carried the name on earth with the faith of a champion.
To think Michael Jones played 55 tests for New Zealand and one for Samoa yet never on a Sunday leaves the question how many could he have played, and how well?
For me, Jones completely revolutionised the game of the wing forward. He was complete and near perfect in everything he did. In the time before line-out lifting Jones could be seen at the back of a line out with boots near opponent’s knees challenging for the ball.
Jones’ running play, in particular his linking with outside backs was a highlight, and a quality only the very best openside flankers possess. Jones could run with backs and equally look at home with the likes of Schuster, Green and Gallagher as they carved the opposition apart.
Coupled with superb pace and agility, Jones in full cry was simply a joy to watch. Not only could Jones run, he was tough as old boots and was rarely far from the hard work in tight.
Jones’ work at the breakdown was uniquely committed, and furthered the open side mantra of ‘continuity at all costs.’ I particularly recall Concord Oval in 1987 against Australia and again at Eden Park in 1993 against the British Lions, Jones dove like superman towards breakdowns to secure possession that had yet to reach terra-firma.
Jones took the ball in mid-flight, rolled and got to his feet and continued the charge. Simply awesome to watch and personified absolute dedication to the team effort.
The magnificence in Jones for me was his dedication, not only to his faith but also to Auckland, All Black and Samoan rugby. A true magnificent champion is Michael Jones.
John Fergus Slattery of Ireland
The Shamrock of Ireland has three clovers of St Patrick that the Saint used to remind the native Irish of the Holy Trinity.
Like St Patrick, Slattery had his own trinity; skill, pace and endurance.
Slattery’s ability to play for 80 minutes is testament to his near inexhaustible fitness.
The Dubliner debuted in 1970 against the Springboks and by 1984 Slattery had accumulated 61 test matches for Ireland and four as a British Lion.
The highlights for Slattery were being an integral member of the 1974 Lions team against South Africa who are known as ‘The Invincibles.’ The Lions won the spiteful series 3-0, a series that could be described as a mix between rugby and open conflict. Slattery starred in all tests and captained the Lions twice during the tour for midweek games.
His try against Western Province was a sublime expression of ability that many wingers today could not have scored, let alone a flanker. Slattery and the ’74 Lions set a benchmark for those who have followed.
Slattery possessed leadership evident during his captaincy of Ireland in Australia in 1979. At a time when Australian rugby was commencing a renaissance after defeats of Wales and New Zealand in 1978, Slattery’s men downed the Wallabies 2-0 in a series where Australia was simply outclassed.
The crowning moment for Slattery was Ireland’s Triple Crown in 1982, and was only denied a Grand Slam by the French.
Slattery is widely admired for his directness and humour. Whilst commentating an All Black match his co-commentator said as Sean Fitzpatrick was being lead from the field “I think he has broken his nose,” to which Slattery quipped, “No, I think someone has broken it for him.”
It was known Slattery would play for Ireland on Saturday and for his club Blackrock on Sunday. He never was aloof or above either, a humble hero indeed.
Well played Fergus.
George Smith of Australia
When David Wilson was coming to the end of his wonderful career George Smith burst onto the international rugby scene and quickly established himself as a genuine rugby player that demanded attention.
Smith brought Australian forward play into the new millennium. Smith did everything expected of a Wallaby openside and more. His prowess at the breakdown is legendary. Often bodies would pour into a breakdown yet Smith somehow would prevail and appear with the ball.
He was a master thief.
In his magnificent 110 test career Smith scored nine tries. The Cromer High Old Boy knew how to find the line and when and where to link with his backs to create overlaps. Smith could also run, step and pass, which made him a highly effective attacking player.
Smith could run with the inside backs offloading to support after engaging multiple defenders. George Smith, in all facets of forward play, was a handful for any opposition.
Ask Dan Carter how well George Smith can tackle. Smith was a pocket battleship in defence. Time and time again he could read attacking play and shut down the threat before it eventuated. Smith never shirked taking on bigger players and simply felled them and stole their ball for good measure. A true rugby ninja.
For me Smith is the only flanker that could go toe-to-toe with Richie McCaw in the modern era and that is a compliment in itself. Australia has been blessed with some wonderful openside flankers but none greater that Smith. A truly magnificent player and rugby man.
Finlay Calder of Scotland
A captain’s captain.
Whilst only having a relative short international career from 1986-1991 where he achieved 34 caps for his native Scotland and 3 for the British Lions Calder has left his impression on the game that still echoes today.
Calder was a no-nonsense player who knew what was required to win and set himself to the task. The Scot was not outstanding at anything apart from ensuring his opposite was less outstanding than himself by employing any and all means possible.
Calder had the ability to work effectively in concert with those around him. This quality must have contributed to Calder being named captain of the 1989 British Lions tour of Australia that possessed a touring party of big personalities including Brian Moore, Gareth Chillcott, Mike Teague and Will Carling.
Whilst many say Australia had more class than the Lions, Calder ensured the Australians knew they were not tougher. Calder led an orchestrated assault on Australian rugby at Ballymore that stunned the Australians and has been a blueprint for British and Irish teams since on how to beat the Wallabies since.
It comes as no surprise that whilst Calder played for Scotland, Murrayfield became a fortress. In his six years in international rugby Scotland lost only twice at home achieving an 86% win ratio. Even Ted Henry would be happy with that statistic.
A magnificent leader of men and openside flanker was Finlay Calder.
Simon Paul Poidevin of Australia
The man who wouldn’t quit.
Whilst it’s easy to remember Poidevin for his magnificent achievements in rugby, what encapsulates for me Poidevin is how he stood up when others were wilting.
His performances for New South Wales and Australia when against stronger opposition are now legendary. No matter the odds Poidevin was not afraid to take on Tony Shaw one weekend then Cowboy Shaw the next. At times he was the spine of Australian rugby.
A supremely fit athlete, Poidevin was never far from the fray of battle in tight. Although not in the same league as a Jones or Slattery as a running flanker, Poidevin knew how to support those who could run evident in his try at Twickenham in 1984 when he just hung off the inside shoulders of Ella and Lynagh all match and reaped his reward.
Whilst the 1984 Grand Slam was Ella’s glory, Poidevin was pivotal in all tests in gaining ascendency over some very good home nation packs.
Again in 1986 when the Wallabies secured a Bledisloe Cup series victory in New Zealand Poidevin featured as a pillar of strength and grit who was happy to mix it up with the All Blacks.
Captaining his county on four occasions with three victories is testament to his leadership quality.
The crowning moment for Poidevin was the 1991 Rugby World Cup victory over England at Twickenham. Although his best rugby was behind him, Poidevin was instrumental in keeping the aggressive English pack at bay. Even after being demolished by Mickey Skinner in a big tackle, Poidevin just got on with it. He knew no other way.
Unfashionable but unbreakable was ‘Poido.’
Jean Pierre Rives of France
As a child I grew up reading the Astrix cartoon books that were based upon a small village in ancient Gaul holding out against the Roman Empire.
I get the impression Rives could have featured in such a book as he would look equally at home eating wild boar and fighting Roman invaders as much as he did on the side of a scrum.
Rives was a complete rugby player with an appetite for physicality. Born and raised in the rugby haven of Toulouse, Rives is often remembered for his flowing blonde locks of hair flaying behind his ears as he crashed into rucks and mauls with no thought of self preservation.
Rives embodied everything that is ‘French rugby’; flair, passion and pride.
In his 59 tests for France Rives captained the tri-colours on no less than 34 occasions. Rives did what many players have not been able to do and that is beat the All Blacks at Eden Park.
On Bastille Day 1979 Rives and his men bested the All Blacks 24-19 in a flowing game of rugby. Rives went on to skipper the French to a Grand Slam in 1981. Clearly Rives was not only a great player but a leader of men.
In later life Rives has forged a career as an artist and sculptor of note. He quietly spends his time near St Tropez tending to his passion.
I would like to think that if anyone knew what the Mona Lisa was actually smirking about it would be Rives, however he is simply too French to tell us.
Rives is a unique and authentic human with a free spirit. We were fortunate to witness him express this sprit on the rugby park. A great flanker.
Richard Hugh McCaw of New Zealand
Standing at six feet, two inches McCaw is the personification of ‘Warrior Flanker.’ He looks naturally at home with a bandaged head, strapped knee and a slight trickle of blood from his nose.
A hard man; this is easy to understand when you know McCaw’s roots are steeped in the borders of Scotland whose history spared only the brave and cunning. If Richie were living around 1300 I am sure he’d lend William Wallace an able sword.
McCaw’s battlefield, however, has been elsewhere, from Lansdowne Road to what was Lancaster Park, and rarely has McCaw tasted defeat. McCaw’s record of 100 test victories in 112 matches with a winning percentage of 89.28% is a record that will stand the test of time and likely never to be bested.
McCaw is more than statistic though. He is unbeatable in himself. In the dozen times the All Blacks lost with him in the team I would find it hard to say McCaw himself was beaten by his opponent, at best they achieved parity with him.
McCaw has a rare ability to quickly understand the ebb and flow of a game and adapt to it. He feels what the referee will and will not allow and plays his game accordingly. Some call it cheating; this is openside rugby and McCaw is simply better at this than anyone else.
McCaw’s magnificent moment for me was the 2011 Rugby World Cup. It is now understood how badly injured McCaw’s foot was, yet like the warrior McCaw is he just got on with the job of winning.
Even when Aurelien Rougerie took to McCaw’s eyes with his fingers like a bride looking for her lost wedding ring in deep sand, McCaw just got to his feet like the champion he is, effectively telling the French “Is that the best you’ve got?”
Well Richie for me you’re the best there has ever been in the number seven.
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October 24th 2012 @ 3:05am
Frank O'Keeffe said | October 24th 2012 @ 3:05am | Report comment
While I wouldn’t rank Poidevin as one of the seven best opensides ever, I love that you mentioned him.
There’s a lot of tall poppy syndrome in Australia, and Poidevin never got the credit he deserved.
Actually when you consider when he played for, and the success Australia had, you could argue he was Australia’s most important player of the 80s.
Look at the great work Poidevin did on the Grand Slam tour. He scored a try against England by keeping up with Campo. He linked with Campo against Wales to put Michael Lynagh over, etc.
I loved how Poidevin came back in 1988 and took it to the All Blacks in that 2nd Test of 1988.
In all honesty, George Smith surpassed him. But when people were calling Smith the best Aussie openside ever, I wanted to hold them back a little bit and remind them of what Poidevin did for Australia.
It’s sad, he got criticized a lot for his hands. He didn’t have great catching or passing skills, but often it didn’t matter. And he more than made up for that with fire in the belly.
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A flanker I never saw but wish I did was Ray Price. Those who saw him say he was the best openside that would have been for Australia.
It’s sad when you look at what could have been. Bob Dwyer saw enough of Russell Fairfax to say he was one of the five most complete rugby players he ever saw. Geoff Mould (who coached the schoolboy Ellas) said Fairfax was better than all the Ella’s.
One almost gets sad when you think an all-time Aussie side could have contained Price, Fairfax, O’Connor, etc.
October 24th 2012 @ 5:32am
mania said | October 24th 2012 @ 5:32am | Report comment
in aus, georgeSmith was way better but poidevan was tougher and had to be because to me he was the inspiration for the team when the chips were down.
October 24th 2012 @ 7:28am
Uncle Argyle said | October 24th 2012 @ 7:28am | Report comment
Hi Frank,
In relation to Poidiven’s hands I beleive it was Peter Crittle that onced described Poidiven as ‘The Venus De-Milo’ of rugby….a statue with no arms. Crittle however who was a very shrewd coach understood what Poido did bring to the game and selected him consistently in his Sydney & NSW teams. Its no wonder Poidiven dedicates a chapter of his book to Crittle.
October 24th 2012 @ 3:46pm
bluerose said | October 24th 2012 @ 3:46pm | Report comment
how about the White Shark from Scotland?
October 24th 2012 @ 5:44pm
CBDoggz4lyfe said | October 24th 2012 @ 5:44pm | Report comment
I’m a kiwi living in Australia but to think that Poidevin does NOT rank in the Magnificent 7? you must have rocks in your head! Realise the time he played and the level of competition and the game he played he was the arch-typical wallabie 7, before GS revolutionised the game for the wallabies..
Poidevin was tenacious was a worker and from all memory tough as guts and have nothing but respect for the guy. The person whom I feel is on the list that is dubious would be Calder.
October 26th 2012 @ 10:53am
Frank The Tank said | October 26th 2012 @ 10:53am | Report comment
I agree, Poido was great but not the skills or dominace to sway a game. Kronfeld has to be a starter, he pretty much forced the IRB to change the rule of coming in from the side because of his ability to jackel or just disrupt games.
Frank O’Keefe, the fact that you don’t have George Smith on your list is just silly.
October 24th 2012 @ 3:12am
Frank O'Keeffe said | October 24th 2012 @ 3:12am | Report comment
There’s a lot of people more suited to this than me, but here’s seven based on reputation…
1. Richie McCaw
2. Michael Jones
3. Peter Winterbottom
4. Ian Kirkpatrick
5. Piet Greyling
6. Josh Kronfeld
7. Fergus Slattery
Winterbottom is revered in South Africa and New Zealand is ‘losing’ Lions sides – no small feat. Greyling apparently troubled New Zealand very much in 1970. Kronfeld was the first of the modern openside – a precursor to McCaw. Slattery was the famous Lion.
To be honest when I think of certain countries I sometimes think of positions. When I think South Africa I think front-rowers and second-rowers. When I think of Wales I think of five-eighths. But when I think of New Zealand, they’re all backrowers.
Think about it: Maurice Brownlie, Waka Nathan, Kel Tremain, Ian Kirkpatrick, Graeme Mourie, Josh Kronfeld, Michael Jones, Richie McCaw… and that’s just the tip of the iceberg.
October 24th 2012 @ 9:47am
richard said | October 24th 2012 @ 9:47am | Report comment
I like your train of thought, Frank. For me, you have it right with McCaw and Jones; they are to me the two finest opensides the game has ever seen.Kronfeld, I rated, but I would put George Smith ahead of him. Winterbottom was rated in nz on the back of his feats for the Lions in 1983 – a mediocre team that was crushed 4-0 in the series, but where he truly stood out. Putting in Ian Kirkpatrick tells me , you really know your onions – although he mostly played at six.He was my fav player growing up in the early 1970′s – an absolute legend. Your knowledge of nz rugby is very impressive – always enjoy reading your blogs. Keep it up!
October 24th 2012 @ 5:51pm
CBDoggz4lyfe said | October 24th 2012 @ 5:51pm | Report comment
+1 well said.
October 24th 2012 @ 7:41pm
jeznez said | October 24th 2012 @ 7:41pm | Report comment
FOK, I was a Winterbottom fan – I thought that England backrow with him, Teague and Richards was an awesome trio, I’d throw it up there with the Poidevin, Ofahengahue, Gavin back row from Oz in the same period, Smith, Finegan, Kefu from 1999 or last year’s world cup winning backrow of McCaw, Kaino and Read – they are all seriously good back row trio’s.
The trio I didn’t mention because it wasn’t at its peak when they won the world cup was Back, Hill and Dallaglio – in their day they were superb as well. (For that world cup they were still good but Lawrence in particular had picked up the nickname of the Crab for his cross-field running).
Before the 2003 world cup I’d always thought Englishmen were blowing their own trumpets to even consider Neal Back up there with the likes of McCaw, Smith or Burger who was also prominent in the period. After that tournament I had a new lease of respect for the player, he had a huge motor and played for 80 minutes flat out and to plan. In the world cup final he had a set job of getting from the set piece to the 13 channel to help stop Mortlock who was our only attacking threat. He did for the entire match and completely closed the Aussie backline down.
October 24th 2012 @ 3:58am
abnutta said | October 24th 2012 @ 3:58am | Report comment
I’ll follow your lead Frank and just add another “7″ flankers as food for thought. In no particular order:
Col Windon
Ivor Jones
Graham Mourie
Waka Nathan
Charlie Seeling
John Taylor
Jan Ellis
for some reason the name of Jan Ellis always enters my mind when I think of great Springbok flankers. Don’t even know if he was an openside although for the era in which he played the role of open and blind was not as clearly defined as it has become in more modern times.
October 24th 2012 @ 2:33pm
sheek said | October 24th 2012 @ 2:33pm | Report comment
Abnutta,
Ellis played in an era when they mostly played left or right rather than open or blind. Even Saffies aren’t sure which is which, but as best as I can make out, Ellis was more suited to the open-side & his partner in crime Piet Greyling to the blindside.
Was Kirkpatrick really an openside? My thinking was he played blindside while guys like Stewart, Eveleigh & Rutldge were opensiders.
October 24th 2012 @ 6:02pm
Frank O'Keeffe said | October 24th 2012 @ 6:02pm | Report comment
abnutta,
Do you know when teams started specializing with openside/blindisde flankers?
I once heard a story it started during the 1977 Lions tour…
When did NZ start specializing?
October 25th 2012 @ 12:25am
abnutta said | October 25th 2012 @ 12:25am | Report comment
Frank,
The All Blacks chopped and changed between left/right and dedicated open/blind from the early 1930s up until the early 1960s with the emergence of Waka Nathan, whose terrier like speed and anticipation set the prototype example for the New Zealand style openside.
As you’re probably aware, until 1931 New Zealand used the 2-3-2 scrum formation which effectively meant 4 flankers (who would be the modern equivalent of blindsides) 2 hookers, 1 lock and a wing-forward who fulfilled many of the duties of the modern openside flanker.
Thereafter when a flanker was selected with more mobility and speed than his loose foward partner, he would invariably pack on the openside as opposed to the left/right which was the norm. The earliest examples of this type of flanker was Keith Arnold in the late 1940s followed by Bill Clark in the early-mid 1950s. But they were the exception rather than the rule.
But then again it was off and on depending on the style and capabilities of those selected. For example in the late 1950s there were combinations including Rex Pickering, Sir Colin Meads, Kel Tremain, Peter Jones, Dave Gillespie and Tiny Hill who were all tight-loose or blindside style forwards.
Ever since Waka Nathan in 1962 the All Blacks have selected at least one out and out tearaway on the flank. Waka Nathan, Graeme Williams, Tom Lister, Ian Kirkpatrick (in his early days), Ken Stewart, Kevin Eveleigh, Graham Mourie, Jock Hobbs, Michael Jones etc
October 24th 2012 @ 4:16am
s.t.rine said | October 24th 2012 @ 4:16am | Report comment
Glad to see Rives there as he was fantastic for a small guy & like McCaw led his country to great victories
S T
October 24th 2012 @ 7:43am
Jerry said | October 24th 2012 @ 7:43am | Report comment
Both born on 31 December, funnily enough.
October 24th 2012 @ 5:26am
The Grafter said | October 24th 2012 @ 5:26am | Report comment
Ditto ST.
Kronfield gets in my 7, but who to leave out of this terrific list………
October 24th 2012 @ 6:18pm
jeznez said | October 24th 2012 @ 6:18pm | Report comment
Calder for mine, UA nails it – he is there for his ability to negate his opposite and his leadership more than he was outstanding at any particular openside skill.
Neil Back is the other one missing for me. I never saw Slatterly and really only saw the end of Poido (when he was getting alternated with Jeff Miller) so one of those two would slip in my mind.
October 24th 2012 @ 7:04am
nickoldschool said | October 24th 2012 @ 7:04am | Report comment
Jean Pierre Rives was a n6 rather than a 7 (nicknamed ‘casque d’or’).
My best ‘real’ french openside flanker would be Laurent Cabannes with Olivier Magne not far behind.
October 24th 2012 @ 7:31am
Uncle Argyle said | October 24th 2012 @ 7:31am | Report comment
In technical terms yes Rives did wear a 6, but like in South Africa the 6 was the ‘open-side’. I also liked Cabannes and Magne but they simply do not have the record of Rives.
October 24th 2012 @ 7:45am
nickoldschool said | October 24th 2012 @ 7:45am | Report comment
Nope Uncle. flankers are called ’3eme ligne aile’ in french which translates as “3rd row wing”, the 6 playing ‘côté fermé’ or ‘petit côté’ (blind side), whereas the n7 plays ‘côté ouvert’ or ‘au large’ (open side).
I moved in Oz (from france) over a decade ago and its a misconception many aussies have about french rugby, i.e that the french have the same system than the saffas, but its untrue. The n6 has always been a hard-working guy who gets dirty in mauls/rucks, like Rives or Benetton (my other favorite french n6 (or8)) and the n7 has always been the runner, chasing the n10 in defence and running wide with the backs in attack.
October 24th 2012 @ 9:00am
Uncle Argyle said | October 24th 2012 @ 9:00am | Report comment
Hi Nick,
far be it from me to argue with a Frenchman about French rugby. However when did that numbering system in France take effect? I ask this as some time ago the Wallabies played in all mixed numbers. I have found some footage of Rives playing the All Blacks in 1979. It appears to me that in the 9 minutes of footage Rives is packing down on the open side.
October 24th 2012 @ 9:13am
nickoldschool said | October 24th 2012 @ 9:13am | Report comment
No worries UA.
Tbh we only referred to n6 and n7 as 3eme ligne ailes, the n6 playing on the left wing of the scrum and the n7 on the right side. So it’s more a left/ right thing for us rather than blind/open side. Yet, the 6 are usually on the blind side and the 7 on the open one.
From the 80s till now, I have always seen it to be this way at amateur or professional level. Dunno about before though. Cant watch the vid now as am at work (!!) but will when I have a moment. Am sure Rives might have packed the scrum on the right at some stage but usually, am pretty sure he was a proper n6, I.e on the left side behind the n1.
October 24th 2012 @ 2:39pm
sheek said | October 24th 2012 @ 2:39pm | Report comment
Nick,
Wonderful to read your thoughts. I was with Uncle, thinking France followed the SA system.
Generally speaking, the idea of specialist opnen/blind flankers didn’t really occur until the 1990s. It might surprise Aussies to learn that David wilson, when he made his test debut in 1992, was the first dedicated openside flanker.
At the 1991 world cup, Poidevin played openside & Ofahengaue blindside. But until the quarters Jeff Miller was also in the mix. Poido was regarded as being able to play both sides of the scrum, as did Miller.
Although in reality, when both Poido & Miller played, Poido should have been blind & Miller open, but back then they tended to mostly play left & right.
I think…..!
October 24th 2012 @ 6:22pm
jeznez said | October 24th 2012 @ 6:22pm | Report comment
sheek, I think you’ve got it that Jeff was an open, Poido was an open who could play a bit of blind and Willie was an out and out blindside.
Definitely when Miller and Poido were on together they’d play left and right. When Willie wore 6 then the other definitely went open which ever one it was.
October 24th 2012 @ 3:35pm
nickoldschool said | October 24th 2012 @ 3:35pm | Report comment
well UA, it feels like its my birthday today !!! Thanks for posting this video (in french!)as i was very very young in 1979 and obviously has no recollection of this match (although i heard thousands of times that we won at Eden park in 79, something not many teams do!) What a treat!
The 2 commentators are Roger Couderc and Pierre Albaladejo, 2 legends of French rugby (you and sheek might remember Albaladejo who used to play in the 70s i think). Couderc was/is the most loved commentator we ever had. Imagine two Ray Warrens, thats what we got with these 2!
Had forgotten that we used to have anthems played by orchestras on the pitch, how wonderful was that! Back to Rives; i saw that he packed the scrum on the left, as a real n6, behind his n1 prop. I think before professionalism n6 and n7 were just on one side of the scrum full stop and had a similar role…I have the impression than the blindside/openside aspect is stronger these days…
@ Sheek and UA; am sure you will have noticed how lean the players were! I think after 2-3 minutes the french wing did the lineout throw!! Didnt remember that! I knew Berbizier was the thrower in the 80s but didnt know about this winger! Last, was great to see Didier Codorniou in the centres! What a talented player he was, a 65-70kgs n12! Not often we talk about french rugby, was nice! And you 2 keep on posting as i have a lot to catch up on oz/nz rugby of the pre 90s!!
October 24th 2012 @ 7:32am
Salada said | October 24th 2012 @ 7:32am | Report comment
Maybe they shouldn’t be included in the pantheon but Eric Champ and John Jeffrey were awfully fierce competitors. Oliver Magne was a wonderful rugby player. And Col Windon was the prince of Aussie breakaways. Ask your grandad about him.
October 24th 2012 @ 7:43am
Uncle Argyle said | October 24th 2012 @ 7:43am | Report comment
There both deceased, some time ago. One grandad’s played open side Flanker for the Newcastle Wanderers premiership winning team in 1928. The other was a yachtie.
October 24th 2012 @ 6:25pm
jeznez said | October 24th 2012 @ 6:25pm | Report comment
Salada, Magne is a great contribution to the discussion. He was my favourite international player for a period. I loved that 99 world cup where he had his headgear made up to look like the ball.
October 24th 2012 @ 7:56am
Riccardo said | October 24th 2012 @ 7:56am | Report comment
Great read Uncle.
George Smith and Richie McCaw and Iceman are for me the greatest opensides the game has seen so far.
All of them have extra strings to their bow that grow the role but if I’m honest it was Jones whom I most enjoyed watching.
October 24th 2012 @ 10:36am
Uncle Argyle said | October 24th 2012 @ 10:36am | Report comment
Cheers mate.
October 24th 2012 @ 8:44am
Chris @ the Old Barbershop said | October 24th 2012 @ 8:44am | Report comment
Thoroughly enjoyed reading that Uncle a couple of times already. Now I’ve got some googling to do.
It’s a shame we have not been able to watch Ritchie McCaw play Rugby the way God intended(rucking and mauling).
October 24th 2012 @ 10:36am
Uncle Argyle said | October 24th 2012 @ 10:36am | Report comment
Thanks mate.
October 24th 2012 @ 10:15am
peterlala said | October 24th 2012 @ 10:15am | Report comment
Uncle, great article. You are wrong though. It’s very well known that John Sturges adapted the Seven Samurai into The Magnificent Seven as a metaphoric tribute to the Seven Great Sevens of rugby union, or The Magnificent Sevens.
The clue is in the truncated title of his movie.
October 24th 2012 @ 10:37am
Uncle Argyle said | October 24th 2012 @ 10:37am | Report comment
Appreciated Pete.