AFL fails test of character
By Andrew Sutherland, 2 Dec 2012 Andrew Sutherland is a Roar Expert
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Crows forward Kurt Tippett (Slattery Images)
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The AFL Commission took longer to conclude the Kurt Tippett affair than to decide on Carlton’s serious punishment for systematic salary cap rorting in 2002. It must have been all the back slapping that absorbed their time.
Steven Trigg, a major instigator of the affair, was given several glowing character references at Friday’s hearing. His response – bristling and insincerely apologetic – to his subsequent mild punishment proves he didn’t deserve such tributes.
Many people connected to the club, including former champion Andrew Jarman, have called for Trigg’s sacking however the chief executive, clearly upset that he has been targeted, had the gall to describe his six month ban as “unprecedented” and “extraordinarily tough” rather than paltry, which is what it is.
It was unprecedented because usually it’s the club that is punished, and not the individuals. However seeing that he helped orchestrate the deal without the knowledge of the Crows board, it’s appropriate he was the one sanctioned.
The club was still fined $300,000 and stripped of first and second round selections in next year’s national draft.
This is a man who lied to his own chairman Rob Chapman when allegations of illicit dealings were raised last year.
This a man who forced Matt Rendell to resign in March over his comments about the recruitment of indigenous players, denying Rendell an opportunity to give his version of events at a press conference because “the mud would stick”. Rendell would later state that he was pushing for the establishment of an indigenous scholarship during the conversation with AFL community engagement manager Jason Mifsud in which the thoughtless comments were made.
When quizzed over the matter by Andrew Demetriou, Trigg allegedly told the AFL boss that he gave Rendell an opportunity to retract his comments but Rendell refused. Rendell has denied this ever occurred.
The thought that Trigg may be a liar has obviously not occured to Demetriou or AFL chairman Mike Fitzpatrick. Revealing a dreadfully low level of objectivity, they sang his praises while dispensing their meek justice.
“It’s fundamentally the one transaction … in other ways, Steven Trigg has been an exemplary chief executive”, chirped Demetriou. Well it was three “mistakes”, actually: the Tippett offers, the authorisation of a second secret letter removing the reference to illicit third party deals, and “misleading” (ie lying to) the club’s board.
It was also noted that Trigg is a CEO of “immense ability” as if that has anything to do with character and integrity. Perhaps the AFL shares the philosophy of those clubs who give star players numerous second chances for off field indiscretions but sanctimoniously announce the sacking of a fringe player after a single incident.
The statement: “He [Trigg] will learn from this and will be welcomed back into he industry”, from the competition’s CEO is unbelievable. What, a middle-aged man with ten years experience as a club chief executive has to be taught not to tamper with the draft or attempt to breach the salary cap?
And what is it with the suspended sentence for an “exemplary record”? Firstly, which current club bosses don’t have an exemplary record and what have they done? Secondly, if Trigg is later found rorting the salary cap or placing illegal bets does he get to serve the suspended six months instead of being banished from the AFL forever?
There is the possibility, of course, that the club did know more than the almost overly apologetic Chapman is letting on. This would explain Trigg expressing a fall guy’s lack of contrition.
Or Trigg may just be peeved that no other club has been caught arranging the many “underground third party deals” that disgraced former agent Ricky Nixon alleges are taking place.
There were no apologies from Kurt Tippett either who, after complaining of a few sleepless nights, disappeared out the AFL headquarters’ back door with his father and QC, and later issued an ALPA authored statement blaming Adelaide for his current predicament.
His agent Peter Blucher who brokered the deals appears to have escaped sanction.
And less than twenty four hours after stating that the penalties handed down to his club and personnel were important for the integrity of the game Rob Chapman has announced he will be retaining Trigg as chief executive because “good chief executives don’t grow on trees”.
Goodbye integrity.
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December 2nd 2012 @ 8:26am
hiog said | December 2nd 2012 @ 8:26am | Report comment
Its’ amazing how integrity goes out the window, if Tippet was a no name average player he would have got life, yet somehow he will be back in round 12 and he will get a club, the crow,s are fined three hundred thousand basically a slap on the wrist, and the CEO responsible gets a couple of months. Forward the good ship AFL!!
December 2nd 2012 @ 2:52pm
amazonfan said | December 2nd 2012 @ 2:52pm | Report comment
No player deserves life. If anything, his punishment was far too tough.
December 2nd 2012 @ 8:35am
db swannie said | December 2nd 2012 @ 8:35am | Report comment
Michael what IZZY does ,is not a problem ,RL has went along nicely without him ,so his return/non return is not an issue.
i would think the integrity of the whole AFL as a sport would be of much more concern.
This is the off season from hell for the AFL,especially surrounding the draft saga,Tanking & salary cap problems.
When one man is given too much power(AD),then problems will always arise.
I think what it has shown is that a level salary cap for all teams ,& NO draft is the fairest way.
December 2nd 2012 @ 10:37am
Michael said | December 2nd 2012 @ 10:37am | Report comment
Whilst I agree that it has been a colourful off-season for the AFL, I find it very laughable that NRL fans immediately jump in to question the AFL’s credibility.
This is the competition that recently submissively bent over for Barry and the NSW government because they had the deepest pockets.
The AFL is far from perfect, but you guys sinking the boot in at the first opportunity says a lot more about you.
December 2nd 2012 @ 1:52pm
Martin D. said | December 2nd 2012 @ 1:52pm | Report comment
The NRL is very well run and professional compared to the AFL because the NRL actually enforces its rules when scandals occur while the AFL only pretends to enforce rules, when it really is just an organisation of rogues making as much money as possible.
December 2nd 2012 @ 6:26pm
The_Wookie said | December 2nd 2012 @ 6:26pm | Report comment
which is why the NRL administration model was copied by its nearest competitior and set groundbreaking media deals etc etc…OH WAIT
December 2nd 2012 @ 8:38pm
fred gallop said | December 2nd 2012 @ 8:38pm | Report comment
Funny no Storm officials or players were suspended yet there was far more systematic rorting than the Tippett case. The player agents got slapped with a feather – I know you have no credibility because your post has no evidence or facts but full of generalisations. The Storm lost premierships but News hoped that the groundswell of anger in the South would boost the fans against those biased northerners but it didnt work. Meanwhile all its star players were allowed to play on and the salary cap backending with the slate wiped clean meant that the Storm could continue on with the big three.
December 2nd 2012 @ 8:49am
Martin D. said | December 2nd 2012 @ 8:49am | Report comment
The AFL should be disbanded. It’s a joke. They have some excellent athletes, but the competition lacks credibility.
December 2nd 2012 @ 2:27pm
Punter said | December 2nd 2012 @ 2:27pm | Report comment
I don’t think it needs to disband, I think that is maybe one step too far. They do have some excellent athletes though, I have always thought Gary Abblett wouldn’t been a great holing midfielder with great vision.
December 2nd 2012 @ 2:30pm
Martin D. said | December 2nd 2012 @ 2:30pm | Report comment
It was a joke. Let’s face it. All sport is an industry now. If it makes money for TV advertisers it will never need to disband.
December 2nd 2012 @ 2:37pm
Punter said | December 2nd 2012 @ 2:37pm | Report comment
The game gives great pleasure to millions of Australians in certain parts of the country, so I think disbanding is harsh considering that act is done by only a few.
BTW, the above should have read Abblett would’ve been a great holding midfielder for the Socceroos.
December 2nd 2012 @ 5:36pm
TC said | December 2nd 2012 @ 5:36pm | Report comment
Which position is the holing midfielder? the one in the hole?
TC
December 3rd 2012 @ 9:24am
Australian Rules said | December 3rd 2012 @ 9:24am | Report comment
I agree with Martin.D…the entire AFL ocmpetition should be disbanded.
Brilliant stuff
December 3rd 2012 @ 9:41am
TC said | December 3rd 2012 @ 9:41am | Report comment
There’d be no Supercoach comp then – unthinkable.
Speaking of which, some interesting rule changes for Supercoach for 2013:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/supercoach-news/new-rules-for-supercoach-in-2013-include-extra-trades-free-draft-game-and-rolling-lockout/story-fn88c7kz-1226526669356
375,000 participants in 2013, and at a guess, I’d say something similar played Dreamteam.
TC
December 3rd 2012 @ 8:05pm
John D said | December 3rd 2012 @ 8:05pm | Report comment
Thanks TC. Best laugh I’ve had all day!
December 2nd 2012 @ 12:21pm
F. Green said | December 2nd 2012 @ 12:21pm | Report comment
You summed up Trigg nicely, although I would have thought the word arrogant might have rated a mention, I think the apologies from Chapman were to make up for the lack of them from Trigg.
December 2nd 2012 @ 1:03pm
db swannie said | December 2nd 2012 @ 1:03pm | Report comment
I only replied to your post Michael as you are trying to deflect,or imply that Izzy not coming back to RL is in the same ballpark as the AFL problems ATM.
They are not in the same ballpark.
But you keep following your comp,where draft cheating,losing on purpose,Clubs given extra$$$ & the best young players is the norm,& i will keep following a game where if Izzy doesnt play it maks no difference ,& every team has the same $$$ to spend on players,no unfair advantages,a level playing field.
& as or the Titans drama,good onher turning her life around,& becoming a fitness/bodybuilder trainer.I have no probs with that.Everyone has a past ,& she has tried to overcome it.
& speaking of drugs i see there is another loophole in the AFL policy,& players are booking into rehab to avoid a strike.
& yes i do know that RL has had some idiots/.morons in the past & will in the future,its justa pity when AFL has problems ,the fans first reacton is to mention NRL players…
December 2nd 2012 @ 2:51pm
Johan said | December 2nd 2012 @ 2:51pm | Report comment
Well golly gosh, i’s not the end f the world or is it… http://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/maya-world-end.html???
To all the Crow knockers LMA
December 2nd 2012 @ 3:58pm
NeeDeep said | December 2nd 2012 @ 3:58pm | Report comment
I reckon the Adelaide Crow’s went to the AFL, off the record and probably told them that if the AFL throws the book at them, they’re going to lift the lid on a whole big can of whoop-ass over 3rd party player payments – eg. Carlton, Chris Judd and Visy. Obviously AA & AD decided this wouldn’t be a good look, so a deal would have been done – drop your first 2 draft picks this year and we’ll call it an act of “good faith” and then we’ll give you a little slap on the wrist ($300K) and you loose next years first 2 draft picks, then we’ll call it square!
Kurt Tippett signs a stat dec, at the time of signing his contrat,to say that everything is above board. Now, if Kurt didn’t know everything was above board, he’s either the dumbest bloke to ever pull on a footy boot, or his player manager has completely snowed him. Persoally, I would like to get a few dollars on Kurt knowing exactly what was happening, as his plyer manager is a good mate of the CEO at Sydney and I reckon they were putting this deal together a long way out from the end of last year – possibly not long after it was inked.
The AFL went very soft on this. Just hope it doesn’t result in some poor bunch of battlers like the Bulldogs, Kangaroos, Saints, or Power, getting the full whack in a couple of years time, when more of this stuff comes out!
December 2nd 2012 @ 5:37pm
TC said | December 2nd 2012 @ 5:37pm | Report comment
A club like like the bulldogs doesn’t have enough corporate support to get itself into trouble.
TC
December 2nd 2012 @ 6:24pm
The_Wookie said | December 2nd 2012 @ 6:24pm | Report comment
Judd and Visy were approved by the AFL..now what lid was there to lift?
December 2nd 2012 @ 6:32pm
oikee said | December 2nd 2012 @ 6:32pm | Report comment
Judd and Visy, (hehehehe) yes that is me giggling. Normally you get a firm that has something to do with sports or the game to sponser players. This in itself is a joke, oh,,, maybe not, hold on,.
Dont Visy make box’s, ? Maybe they are supporting his Boxer shorts.
Next we will have milk sponsering beaver Beale and his one tooth smile.
December 2nd 2012 @ 6:34pm
Ian Whitchurch said | December 2nd 2012 @ 6:34pm | Report comment
Oikee,
Visy was run by Richard Pratt, a big Carlton fan.
December 2nd 2012 @ 8:13pm
The_Wookie said | December 2nd 2012 @ 8:13pm | Report comment
Penrith has Oak (a milk company) listed as their major sponsor. The Cowboys play out of Dairy Farmers stadium. Visy are a major Carlton sponsor with naming rights to Princes Park (Carltons home ground)
December 3rd 2012 @ 12:26pm
NeeDeep said | December 3rd 2012 @ 12:26pm | Report comment
That is one example, Wookie. It’s not the first time Carlton were found to be twisting it a little bit and I’m sure they were not the Lone Ranger. I’m also pretty confident that it is still happening and the AFL has a fair idea that it is happening, as well.
December 3rd 2012 @ 3:40pm
Strummer Jones said | December 3rd 2012 @ 3:40pm | Report comment
NeeDeep. I too agree that there is a good chance Adelaide made veiled threats and/or the AFL had to go soft because they know its prevalent. Patrick Smith in the Australian today wrote another damning piece on the AFL Commissioners, but he, like many others, simply fails to mention that the problem is in fact that every club is doing the “Tippet thing”, its hard to police, and the AFL has to weigh up the pros and cons of any penalty.
The other thing people forget is that its just a sport at the end of the day and the AFL is there to deliver the best possible competition in can. A few people are clearly upset the book wasn’t thrown at Adelaide. But lets say it was? We then have two Adelaide clubs that don’t perform and sit near the bottom of the ladder. Maybe put it another way; when Hall punched his opponent in the guts in the prelim final in 2005, how many of us really wanted Hall to get a game and miss the Grand Final? Very few I imagine. I am not saying this is right or wrong, I’m just saying the AFL faces problems and makes judgement calls that are in the interests of the competition. If there is an overwhelming negative response to the Adelaide penalty and the game suffers, then it was the wrong call. My guess is the grumblings over the penalty will extend into 2013, but not enough to stop people going to or watching Aussie Rules.
December 3rd 2012 @ 3:54pm
NeeDeep said | December 3rd 2012 @ 3:54pm | Report comment
Here what your saying Jonesy.
They do have to make decisions for the good of the game and establish the “even playing field”.
I did want Hall to get a week in the 2005 prelim final. Being a Saint’s supporter, it has always irked me that Fraser Gehrig got a week for a tummy tap on Cloke, who was hanging on to his jumper, even after the ball crossed the boundary line and was at their feet. Yet Hall can whack Goose Maguire when the ball is half the length of the field away and gets nothing but a goal and a pat on the back. I wonder what he would have copped if he was still wearing a St. Kilda jumper?
December 3rd 2012 @ 4:07pm
Strummer Jones said | December 3rd 2012 @ 4:07pm | Report comment
If Saints had won and gone through, AND Hall was their “star player”, then he would have got off is my guess.
In addition to my previous comment, the AFL has the same problem with Melbourne. Behind closed doors the AFL are probably screaming at the Demons board for being so stupid. Now they have to issue a penalty that doesn’t result in the Demons lingering down the bottom of the ladder for another 5 years AND minimises the damage to the AFL’s integrity. They also have to think about the damage to the Jimmy Stynes legacy.
December 3rd 2012 @ 4:57pm
The_Wookie said | December 3rd 2012 @ 4:57pm | Report comment
maybe its one example, but its the one you chose, and it was sanctioned by the AFL at the time. Nothing grey or wrong about the deal from a carlton perspective.
December 3rd 2012 @ 5:12pm
NeeDeep said | December 3rd 2012 @ 5:12pm | Report comment
Would you like me too find a non-Carlton one to use – is that it?
December 3rd 2012 @ 5:34pm
NeeDeep said | December 3rd 2012 @ 5:34pm | Report comment
There you go – courtesy of Superfooty.
Carlton is well known to have received the heaviest penalty in 2002, which the club says hurt it for a decade.
But many others have felt the wrath of the AFL over time, as this list suggests.
* 1987, Sydney were fined the maximum of $60,000 and forfeited their first round pick in the National Draft after a VFL investigation found that they had exceeded the salary cap by $1.15 million during the season.
* In 1992, Sydney were fined $50,000 after it was found that they had failed to disclose payments made to former player Greg Williams during the 1990 season; Williams was suspended for six matches and fined the maximum of $25,000 for accepting the payments.
* In 1994, Carlton were fined $50,000 after it was found that they had exceeded the salary cap by $85,000 during the 1993 season.
* In 1995, Sydney were fined $20,000 after key documents relating to player financial details and star full-forward Tony Lockett’s contract details were lost in the post by club officials, forcing the club, who had won the last three wooden spoons, to scratch from the 1995 pre-season draft and play the season two players short. The club officials responsible were fired by the Swans one week later.
* In 1996, Essendon were fined a record $638,250 ($250,000 in back tax and penalties, $112,000 for draft tampering and $276,250 for breaching the salary cap regulations), forfeited their first, second and third round picks in the National Draft and were excluded from the 1997 rookie and pre-season drafts after a joint Australian Tax Office and AFL investigation found that they had committed serious and systematic breaches of the salary cap regulations totalling $514,500 between 1991 and 1996.
* In 1998, the West Coast Eagles were fined $100,000 and forfeited their third round pick in the National Draft after it was found that they had exceeded the salary cap by a total of $165,000 during the 1997 and 1998 seasons.
* Geelong were fined $77,000 in 1998 and excluded from the 1999 pre-season draft after it was found that they had exceeded the salary cap by $154,000 during the 1997 season.
* In 1999, Melbourne were fined $600,000 and forfeited their first, second and third round picks in the National Draft for two years after it was found that they had committed serious and systematic breaches of the salary cap regulations totalling $810,000 between 1995 and 1998.
* In 2001, Carlton were fined $125,150, forfeited their second and third round picks in the 2001 National Draft and were excluded from the 2002 pre-season draft after it was found that they had failed to disclose payments totaling $239,900 to captain Craig Bradley and incorrectly lodged an additional services agreement document during the 1998 and 1999 seasons.
* In 2002, Carlton were fined a record $987,500 and forfeited their priority picks in the National Draft, their first and second round picks in the National Draft for two years and were excluded from the 2003 pre-season draft after an AFL investigation found that they had committed serious and systematic breaches of the salary cap regulations totaling $1.37 million between 1998 and 2001.
* In 2003, Brisbane were fined $260,000 for late lodgement of documents relating to the contract and financial details of 26 players.
The brown paper bag seems to be Calton invention. Yes – the AFL sanctioned Chis Judd’s deal with Visy. But it has opened up Pandora’s box by doing so. Hence, the failure to really whack the Crows and put out there a big deterrent. Instead you may have somebody looking at it and thinking $300K and a couple of draft picks verus a premiership? Might be worththe punt!!!
December 3rd 2012 @ 5:59pm
The_Wookie said | December 3rd 2012 @ 5:59pm | Report comment
Again, While I appreciate the lecture on my own clubs history. Thats not what i was addressing in your initial statement. Most reasonable carlton people are well aware that our punishment fit the crime at the time. It does not compare with the Visy deal being passed by the AFL.
The fact is by 2002 when the AFL penalised carlton most of the players involved were retired. Only Allan as still playing and he recieved a suspension.
Ill note that your first quoted instance was the swans in 1987, note the massve Essendoin and melbourne fines prior to 2002, (and ignore the fact there was an amnesty in the early 90s) and yet you’e drawn the conclusion that he Blues invented the brown paper bag? How odd. Im forced to ask if you read what you cut and paste.
And I dont think the Crows punishment was enough, intent to breach the cap should be treated the same as a breach.
December 3rd 2012 @ 9:43am
Col said | December 3rd 2012 @ 9:43am | Report comment
I like it NeeDeep. Potential there for a two part TV mini series/movie….’Dirty Deals’ staring Anthony LaPaglia as Lord Demetriou!
December 3rd 2012 @ 3:55pm
NeeDeep said | December 3rd 2012 @ 3:55pm | Report comment
Or Dirty Deeds, Done Dirt Cheap!
Who would you play, Col?
December 2nd 2012 @ 4:46pm
Ben said | December 2nd 2012 @ 4:46pm | Report comment
I think you’ll find that it was in fact the AFL that demanded that Rendell be sacked. Every journo nicely overlooks that there were 3 other club officials that shared the same opinions as those that Rendell voiced to Mifsud yet when Demitriou asked who they were, only Rendell is acted upon, Adelaide wouldn’t have wanted to lose Rendell as he’s probably the best recruiter in the country. Mifsud’s subsequent actions prices where the guilt lies in this issue, it’s not with AFC, Rendell or Trigg, although he is guilty of not standing up for his man. I’m sick of journos hiding behind this story, do your job and find out who the other officials were, their clubs and act on them or ask wht the AFL hasn’t.
December 2nd 2012 @ 6:23pm
The_Wookie said | December 2nd 2012 @ 6:23pm | Report comment
Both Adelaide and the AFL have said it was Adelaides idea to sack Mifsud
December 3rd 2012 @ 7:37am
Ben said | December 3rd 2012 @ 7:37am | Report comment
“Said”. Doesn’t mean it’s how it actually played out. However if that’s what you believe.
December 3rd 2012 @ 4:56pm
The_Wookie said | December 3rd 2012 @ 4:56pm | Report comment
Well i can sit aound and believe in conspiracy theories or I can believe what Adelaide staff told local radio in Adelaide and local news, or what demetriou told national television. Or I can make stuff up too.
December 3rd 2012 @ 12:23pm
NeeDeep said | December 3rd 2012 @ 12:23pm | Report comment
To sack Mifsud? Are you sure – I thought Rendell was the bloke under the gun and the AFL backed Mifsud???
December 3rd 2012 @ 1:12pm
db swannie said | December 3rd 2012 @ 1:12pm | Report comment
Yep rendall was the fall guy,yet what he said seems to have an element of truth to it.
In this yrs draft only 3 indigenous players were drafted.
December 3rd 2012 @ 1:36pm
Ben said | December 3rd 2012 @ 1:36pm | Report comment
Yes it was Rendell that was the fall guy, I should’ve picked up Wookies comment of “Mifsud”.
The comment about Rendells views having validity is absolutely true, case in point the young Indigeneous lad picked up by Freo in this draft, he has recently become a father and some clubs were very concerned of his ability to adapt to both fatherhood and AFL football, this would be hard for any kid from any background but is think more difficult for a kid in his circumstances being so far away from family.
A lot if this is what Rendell was trying to solve and discuss.
I still have trouble believing that Adelaide would sack their gun recruiter over this without massive pressure from the AFL. And as if Adelaide are going to say “the AFL made us sack him”…yeh right.
December 3rd 2012 @ 4:54pm
The_Wookie said | December 3rd 2012 @ 4:54pm | Report comment
hell i should have piced it up: tat’ll learn me to post when i wake up
December 3rd 2012 @ 1:56pm
Brewski said | December 3rd 2012 @ 1:56pm | Report comment
Swings and round-a-bouts, bit like NSW/QLD kids getting drafted, one year there is plenty, the next – not so many.
December 3rd 2012 @ 2:44pm
Australian Rules said | December 3rd 2012 @ 2:44pm | Report comment
db swannie
In 2011 there was 78 indigenous players in the AFL.
Not only are these figures way over the proportion of population for indigenous Australians, but it far exceeds the ratio of indignenous players in any other sporting code in Australia.
I understand you don’t happen to like Australian Footy, but these comments just make you sound silly.
December 4th 2012 @ 9:36pm
db swannie said | December 4th 2012 @ 9:36pm | Report comment
Oh my,there might be 78 in 2011,but i will bet that number is dropping.
In the future the numbers could possibly be half that amount .
& AR dont attack the messenger (seems to be a real trait amongst AFL types,just ask Rendall).
Here is the article,i suppose they look silly for writing the truth..
JUST three indigenous players were recruited to AFL clubs in this year’s national draft and another was redrafted by his club just months after Adelaide recruiter Matt Rendell was sacked for warning the AFL clubs were increasingly wary of recruiting indigenous players.
Fremantle selected Josh Simpson with its first-round draft pick, at pick 17; Gold Coast chose Tim Sumner, brother of former Sydney player Byron, with pick 55; and Geelong chose Bradley Hartman with pick 77, while West Coast redrafted Brad Dick with pick 79. It was a stark drop from several years ago when 25 per cent of the draft was indigenous.
This year the talented but troubled Dayle Garlett, considered a top-10 player on talent alone, was not selected at all in the draft. Similarly Shannon Taylor, Chris Yarran and Marvin Morell, all footballers with the ability to play the game at elite level, were also overlooked.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/indigenous-numbers-fall-20121122-29te3.html#ixzz2E4uk1yHF
December 4th 2012 @ 11:57pm
The_Wookie said | December 4th 2012 @ 11:57pm | Report comment
Theres an issue here no doubt. Garlett though has been a bit silly in the leadup and has only himself to blame. The others may well have been overlooked for any trouble they’ve been in no matter how small.
For me this is a direct result of taking kids away from families too soon. 17/18 year olds – especially with issues – could use some time maturing in state leagues before being recruited but the AFL just wont wait. Its Youth or Die.
December 3rd 2012 @ 10:44am
TC said | December 3rd 2012 @ 10:44am | Report comment
It’s a long off-season, so we all try and fill it by finding whatever bits of footy news we can find.
A favourite of footy fans during the off-season is to follow the memberships table:
2013 Membership Totals (as of 30/11/2012)
Collingwood – ?
West Coast -32,886
Hawthorn – 30,057
Essendon – 22,788
Carlton – 20,847
Richmond – 20,074
Melbourne – 17,320
St. Kilda – 16,767
North Melb – 13,956
Western B – 13,229
Port Power – 10,115
Gold Coast – 5,667
Greater WS – 4,909
Brisbane – 3,744
Adelaide – ?
Fremantle – ?
Geelong – ?
Sydney – ?
December 3rd 2012 @ 12:04pm
Harry said | December 3rd 2012 @ 12:04pm | Report comment
Fair dinkum TC. I know the life of an AFL zealot is not all beer and skittles but counting membership numbers in December is ridiculous. Why don’t you do something more productive and count brick numbers in houses or red cars going past your loungeroom window.
December 3rd 2012 @ 12:33pm
TC said | December 3rd 2012 @ 12:33pm | Report comment
Harry
It’s all part of the cycle of life.
Depending on where you live in Australia, the seasons are quite distinct.
In Southern Australia, the seasons are very distinct.
Certain traditions and customs must be followed with the changing seasons.
TC
December 3rd 2012 @ 6:02pm
The_Wookie said | December 3rd 2012 @ 6:02pm | Report comment
last week it was 38 one day, and 18 the next in Adelaide. Go figure. t might as well b Melbourne these days
December 3rd 2012 @ 6:42pm
NeeDeep said | December 3rd 2012 @ 6:42pm | Report comment
Yes Wook, the Essendon breach was by far the most serious and I apologise for not directing my initial “comment” at them. It was your first comment that hit the wrong note as far as I was concerned, as it did nothing to further the topic, other than trying to justify Carlton’s deal with Visy, to earn Juddy a couple of extra dollars. Ultimately the Eagles couldn’t match the offer (or didn’t want to and Juddy seemed pretty keen to head home, anyway). The problem I see is this sort of “deal” just opens the door for all these other options to be explored and compared and if all else fails, to be pointed at and offered up as an excuse for somebody else doing the wrong thing.
I do remember a famous video of John Elliott make some sort of reference to salary cap cheating after a big win over Essendon. Will have to see if I can find that one – maybe post the link for you.
The clubs not listed in my earlier post are all “playing by the rules” apparently – Richmond, St. Kilda, North Melbourne, Collingwood, Bulldogs, Hawthorn even. Between them, 5 premierships since the AFL started in 1990. On the other side, Sydney, Brisbane, Carlton, Essendon, West Coast, Geelong & Melbourne (not that it matters) plus Adelaide now, have won 16 premierships under the AFL banner. Very interesting stat.
I’ll leave it at that.
December 3rd 2012 @ 12:24pm
Brewski said | December 3rd 2012 @ 12:24pm | Report comment
Pencil in both WCE and Freo for membership waiting lists.
December 3rd 2012 @ 11:47am
Redb said | December 3rd 2012 @ 11:47am | Report comment
This has been poorly handled by the AFL from the time they back flipped on Judd’s Visy deal its just a murky mess with no clear guidelines on 3rd party payments.
December 3rd 2012 @ 5:11pm
Ian Whitchurch said | December 3rd 2012 @ 5:11pm | Report comment
RedB,
They are rapidly becoming clearer … with the key rule being “show the deal to the AFL first”.