Wise men say, only fools rush off
By Vince Rugari, 9 Jan 2013 Vince Rugari is a Roar Expert
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Once upon a time, young Australian footballers would book the next available flight at the very mention of the word ‘Europe’. But not anymore. Not quite.
Together, the eleventh-hour backflip from Tom Rogic and Mathew Ryan’s suspicious ‘shoulder injury’ this past week feels like something of a touchstone moment for the A-League.
Rogic was on the brink of a transfer to Premier League relegation dogfighters Reading, while Ryan was en route to Glasgow for a trial with the reborn Rangers, who are in the fourth division and cannot sign any new players for months.
Strange ones, to say the least. The Central Coast Mariners pair might have dodged a bullet each, depending on who you ask.
Was the rough-and-tumble Championship – Rogic’s likely eventual home – the right place for the first proper No.10 Australia’s had in years?
And surely the A-League is better than the dungeon of Scottish football where the Rs currently reside?
Both Rogic and Ryan, newly-minted Socceroos, have designs on being in Brazil in June next year – and not for a holiday.
Moves overseas and a full, proper-length season in a competition at least one level up from the A-League remain in their best interests.
But one wrong call or a slice of ill fortune and either of them could be labelled ‘damaged goods’ in a split second and forced to fend for themselves in football’s unforgiving wilderness. Dramatic, but true.
The trouble is, waiting for the perfect transfer to come along is far easier said than done – particularly when a team in the Premier League or with Rangers-level prestige knocks on the door and offers four or five times your current wage and a life you once dreamed about.
That’s just internal pressure. What about outside of what the players want?
First, there is the agent.
One thing most young journalists learn when they begin to cover football is that few things, if any, are exactly as they seem in this game. Particularly in Australia.
Usually if something doesn’t make sense on face value, it’s because there is a string-puller in the background who knows a guy at one club, or has ties in another country, or there’s a clause in a contract somewhere.
It’s not as if there is a big computerised list of players looking for a move that is visible to every club in the world, Football Manager-style.
As idealistic as a shift to a ‘technical’ country like Germany or Holland might be, it’s people and connections that invariably determine where and when players go.
Why Rangers for Ryan, and why now? Because his contract allows him to trial overseas at any time, and Central Coast can’t stop him. Plus, in Lawrie McKinna there is the Scottish link.
Why Reading for Rogic? His agent, Andy Bernal, used to play for them.
Not only are the men behind the men offering their ticks of approval for clubs they might have a vested interest in seeing their clients play at, but invariably there is a gentle nudge towards the door from the selling club.
This is an imperfect A-League where transfer money is an important source of rolled gold revenue for clubs that, even given the recent boom, struggle to make ends meet.
Central Coast, with a long list of debts that need servicing, stands as a case in point.
Rogic and Ryan will go soon, obviously. They are too good not to. But the Mariners would feel foolish to see them do so without at least a six-figure parting gift.
Meanwhile, as the player grapples with a sense of loyalty to his club – and perhaps an inner desire to deliver that transfer fee before bidding farewell – his agent advises not to sign any long-term deals in Australia so that options are kept open.
These are the thoughts that swim inside a player’s head when a prospective move overseas presents itself.
A confusing and perhaps concerning cocktail of emotions and pressures for a young man to deal with, but one that it’s important we realise can now be quelled quite easily.
How? Because the A-League is no longer detrimental to one’s development – if it ever was, thank you very much Pim.
We know that the A-League is gathering pace on and off the park, but that can sometimes feel like fluff until we can sense actual footballing benefits as a result.
This is one of them – there is no longer a rush to go. At least, there shouldn’t be.
If this was two or three years ago, for instance, Rogic would already be wearing Reading’s blue and white hoops and Ryan would be tucking into the first in a long line of haggises for tea.
But now, our own competition can offer more. And it will continue to offer more, until the day that a young player is so dominant they can turn up to a match and know for certain that if they put in their best they will go home with the match ball.
That’s not yet for Rogic, who is yet to even complete a full season. Don’t forget, he started this one poorly and is learning a hard lesson at the moment via suspension.
As for Ryan, well, practice makes perfect for goalkeepers. A wunderkind like him can’t be rotting on a bench or in a fourth division. He can afford to wait.
There have never been more eyes fixed on Australia’s league – both inside the country and the kind of “curious eyes” from elsewhere that Alessandro Del Piero once spoke about.
That makes the A-League the perfect holding bay for both these players, and for many more in the future.
It is time for all parties – the players, their parents, their advisors and their clubs – to take a deep breath in among the madness of the silly season and appreciate this.
Vince Rugari is an Adelaide-born journalist who cut his teeth on the sporting graveyard that is the Gold Coast. He fancies the round ball and the Sherrin, and used to be a handy leg-spin bowler before injury curtailed a baggy green push. He is a Port Adelaide fan by birth, as painful as that has been recently. He's now sports editor of The Area News in Griffith, NSW.
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January 9th 2013 @ 8:12am
JAJI said | January 9th 2013 @ 8:12am | Report comment
There have been some vert sensible transfers over the years out of Australia – Brett Emerton, Jason Culina, Brett Holman, Adam Sarota and Tommy Oar. There have also been countless disaster transfers – David Carney to about 10 clubs, Nathan Burns, Bruce Djite, Ruben Zadkovich, Matt McKay to Rangers
I still believe a player heading to Holland and Germany is the way to go rather than Asia or the Middle East. Even the Championship, Neil and Cahill aside, has been hit and miss for many Australians
Problem for Mariners is Rogic contract expires soon and they need $$$$
January 9th 2013 @ 9:30am
kellett_1992 said | January 9th 2013 @ 9:30am | Report comment
You may believe and may be correct JajI but as pointed out within the article, it was the people these players knew who could provide the contacts. If there are no contacts or a FIFA 2013 game with a vast array of players to choose from then the question should be asked how do we develop contacts for the benefit of our players and our league? – only time will tell.
As for the article Tony, I enjoyed it. Opened my eyes a little more to the world of football and transfers.
I hope for the mean time the correct decisions have been made and that someone will still come knocking on Australia’s front door.
January 9th 2013 @ 9:39am
kellett_1992 said | January 9th 2013 @ 9:39am | Report comment
My apologies, auto correct on the phone – meant to be Vince!
January 9th 2013 @ 8:21am
Dave said | January 9th 2013 @ 8:21am | Report comment
Good article. Agree with all of it. I suppose that it might be an argument for continued foreign socceroos coaches, that they have the overseas connections to help get young Aussies good moves? Not sure if Holger has done anything in this regard?
Not a big reason for continued foreign coaches but a small one perhaps.
January 9th 2013 @ 8:28am
pete4 said | January 9th 2013 @ 8:28am | Report comment
With these 2 players you also have the fact the Mariners are on top of the ladder and have another ACL campaign coming up.
But I think generally if you look at the number of Aussies playing abroad which equates to over 170 players these days as the A-League continues to evolve more players will be looking to come home because it’s a very good option.
January 9th 2013 @ 9:27am
nordster said | January 9th 2013 @ 9:27am | Report comment
A Danish club are keen for Ryan…scandinavia could be his path to a bigger english club as they follow those leagues. If its a mid size team there he will probably play straight off. I think Covic was in sweden for a while. Go nord haha…
January 9th 2013 @ 9:39am
Valleys Diehard of Brunswick st said | January 9th 2013 @ 9:39am | Report comment
I agree with Mark Bosnich that the top flight SPL is not as good as the A-League. Without Rangers it’s a one team league and Celtic are a “barely there” chance at any of their UEFA games. So why do we keep sending our best and fairest to dodgy European Leagues? We do need to accept that our A-League is at least a “3rd tier” Association Football Competition: It’s in line with Asia’s best, a step below the Dutch,French and most South American competitions, at least a penalty kick from the EPL, Serie-A and Bundesleague but above almost all Eastern European (Croatia, Ukraine etc) the US MLS comp and Euro leagues whose national team does not usually make WC qualification. My assumption is that agents want their player to receive some exposure and then get a nod from the big end of town. However….. Like the author alludes, careful which league you choose. Just ask poor old Matty McKay.
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January 9th 2013 @ 10:39am
Steve said | January 9th 2013 @ 10:39am | Report comment
MLS is better then the A-league. The A-league is not better then MLS, we struggle against the J-league. The J-league is not better then Liga MX, which is the only club MLS hasn’t really beaten yet. The MLS gets young central and south Americans.Nor are we better then the SPL, the A-league is of poor quality. The SPL is still better then the A-league. The A-league is league 2 , in England, at best.
January 9th 2013 @ 10:48am
pete4 said | January 9th 2013 @ 10:48am | Report comment
Steve – quick question how many English League 2 games have you watched?
January 9th 2013 @ 11:30am
Adrian said | January 9th 2013 @ 11:30am | Report comment
only people who watch Eng League two, are people who dad, and grand dad support the club over the last 50 years, or people who know and understands what Asian Hcp is
January 9th 2013 @ 10:58am
fadida said | January 9th 2013 @ 10:58am | Report comment
Nonsense. A-league is similar to MLS but miles head of English lower leagues.
January 9th 2013 @ 11:07am
Steve said | January 9th 2013 @ 11:07am | Report comment
I’ve seen the J-league, and the J-league is not better the Liga MX, with along the Brazilian league, have tons of money. The A-league is poor, which is should be you are young, theMLS is at least championship quality, but still will lose 6-0 to top clubs in Europe. The A-league is growing, but its is not close to the SPL nor any European league.
January 9th 2013 @ 2:00pm
Fussball ist unser leben said | January 9th 2013 @ 2:00pm | Report comment
The little I’ve seen of J-League, K-League, SPL and MLS – I do NOT agree with your assessment.
January 9th 2013 @ 2:26pm
fadida said | January 9th 2013 @ 2:26pm | Report comment
SPL minus Celtic is at best a-league quality. It’s faster because of the weather but that’s it.
January 9th 2013 @ 2:32pm
Adrian said | January 9th 2013 @ 2:32pm | Report comment
Steve , on what bases do you say this..it just a opinion, because you can give no fact to back up on this opinion..lets try to put some fact to this opinion
Start with mexico Liga MX..Now we have a form line, because Mexico Liga MX teams , play both in Copa Libertadores and CONCACAF Champions League..we can see over the many years, that brazil Serie A,teams do better then Liga MX in Copa Libertadores and Liga MX do better then MLS teams in Champions League
so brazil Serie A is likely to be better league then Liga MX, and Liga MX better then MLS….there some form there, with many matches played over many years
we can say J-League is better then A_league base on ACL matchers over the last 5 years
in Europe we can use UEFA coefficient to see the ranking of the league, which is based on Champions League and Europa League matches over 5 years… Scotland is ranked 24th league in Europe (not counting ENG,SPA, GER, ITA) behide Cyprus in 13 Czech Republic 18, Poland 20. Belarus 21 …One team doesn’t make a league
the fact Scotland national team ranked 50th by ELO (New Zealand is ranked 58th) and out of those 50 players called up to play for Scotland over the last year , only 15 of those players, may say SPL
But now it the hard part, how do you rank league when they have no cross over from line… i think the only fair way is to look at the Internationale players playing in those leagues , and which countries those players play for…and gudge it on that
if you would like to do this Steve , that would be great…or you can just do what all the rest does, give your opinion with out any facts
January 9th 2013 @ 3:06pm
Steve said | January 9th 2013 @ 3:06pm | Report comment
Wait you take Fifa rankings seriously? I’m English and I even disagree we shouldn’t have been ranked as high as we were. They drop Brazil out of the top 10, does that sound right? Fifa rankings are a joke, just like their corrupt organization. As for how you judge Leagues I look at salary, and structure of the league. I also look at the quality of the product. MLS is of higher standard, the sign better players from Argentina and have connections with clubs in Europe, that A-Leagues clubs do not. The also are buying younger players from central and south america, that’s were the talent is. Their Domestic players are also getting better and better. They are also creating a structure similar to German, where their reserve teams will play in the USL, similar to how German have their reserves playing in lower divisions, Which will further the gap between the A-league and MLS. MLS youth teams are now on a 11 month schedule. The NASL the second division is growing, Little by little they are building a Pyramid. The A-league is not building that Pyramid, you only have 10 clubs, and we are not seeing lower divisions, start to form under you. The A-league also doesn’t play enough games, so your Domestic players are continuing to fall behind the rest of the world. So the fact they are able to buy better players and the fact that their overall salary cap is higher,which mean a team like NYRB, could end up paying 16 million in total salary, because you have ways around the salary cap,means they have a better league. The same Goes for the SPL, yes Celtic spend a lot more then other clubs, however Other SPL clubs also spend more then any A-league club, which means that the SPL is better.
January 9th 2013 @ 5:40pm
Adrian said | January 9th 2013 @ 5:40pm | Report comment
Steve..i didn’t say Fifa ranking, i said ELO ranking ..i believe ELO is better…but on Fifa ranking , yes they are wrong, just as a 7 day weather forecast is wrong , but it sure beats putting you head out the door and saying, “I think the weather in 7 days time will be ?”
as for creating a structure similar to German,. then this should show up in team USA raising in the rankings , along with the other great young Central american players, going on to play international football for there countries , and with those countries also raising in the rankings
as for “Australian Domestic players are continuing to fall behind the rest of the world” please give some fact to back this up?
money can be a guild to a league strengths and weakness, but the fact show, and NY Red bull and LA payments are over $10 million ,but the fact are , that A-League team wagers are about the same as the other 17 MLS aat round $3 million USD..also A-league team only have 22 players , would mean the average player salary in the A-league would be higher then the average player salary in MLS
yes, Argentina many very good players, and i’m sure all 5 Argentina players in the MLS would bring joy to many fans
one thing, you forgot to point out about MLS, is the average crowds of 16,000 per game…that mean more people go and watch MLS matchers , then people go to watch , which would be on par with Eredivisie
January 9th 2013 @ 6:07pm
Steve said | January 9th 2013 @ 6:07pm | Report comment
HG(academy players0 players don’t count against their salary, which means they spend more Money. Also MLS get 18,000 plus a game, making them top 7 IN the world. Look ,the A-league is growing, However right now the MLS is better and likely would get even better. However so will the A-league, however till you guys play more games and start to have more clubs, I think it would be hard for you to became as great, as MLS might be in the future. That German like reserve system, will be slowly worked in in 2013 and fully in 2014, for MLS. The A-league could do the same thing. The Big advantage leagues like yours have and MLS, that my league, the EPL doesn’t,is you could tinker with the system. I love my league, the EPL is the best league in the world, however we are not developing enough English players. That’s why the Bundesliga might become the best league in the world. I love their system the MLS is copying, so should Australia. Also what I see happening in your league, is a lack of partnerships with European clubs, that would make you league improve faster as well. Partnerships can get you, young talent on loan.
January 9th 2013 @ 11:30pm
Realfootbal said | January 9th 2013 @ 11:30pm | Report comment
This word you keep using, Steve, “better”. You need to do better than that, to borrow the same, overused word. “Better” is so vague as to be almost meaningless. Better how? In what way? In what areas? Stadiums, players, supporters, tactics, training methods, technique. Not helped by some very haphazard grammar, sentence structure, punctuation and capitalisation.
Suggest you take more care with the written expression and please give the A League bashing rest. It’s getting very boring.
January 10th 2013 @ 8:11am
Steve said | January 10th 2013 @ 8:11am | Report comment
Boring, but the truth.
January 9th 2013 @ 11:23pm
Realfootbal said | January 9th 2013 @ 11:23pm | Report comment
Sorry, don’t see how your last sentence follows at all. “They” spend more money so the “SPL is better”? Who exactly are “they”. You can’t just make sweeping statements like that with no facts or figures to back you up and expect to be taken seriously.
I have no idea as to the standard of the SPL. I don’t watch it, nor do I have any interest in doing so. However, my impression is that all you want to do, really, is hammer away at the credibility of the A League.
January 9th 2013 @ 11:54am
clayts said | January 9th 2013 @ 11:54am | Report comment
Agree. With the MLS I have watched, it has not been noticeably better than watching A league IMO. Same with SPL. Championship football is definitely of a higher quality, but I haven’t seen any lower league games so can’t really comment.
January 9th 2013 @ 12:04pm
Steve said | January 9th 2013 @ 12:04pm | Report comment
The MLS and SPL is better, the A-league is league 2, which is not bad, for it’s age.
January 9th 2013 @ 5:12pm
pete4 said | January 9th 2013 @ 5:12pm | Report comment
Steve – I sit next to a massive Rangers fan here at work. He claims the SPL is a great league too. He also claims he’s never watched a single A-League game in his life. I assume this type of personality that don’t watch and make judgements is bogus.
January 9th 2013 @ 5:15pm
Wanderer said | January 9th 2013 @ 5:15pm | Report comment
It’s like this really, a dominant team not just good but absolutely ruthless a la Brisbane Roar of 2010 – 2012 would be equivalent of a championship team, and not one that would be ready of the Premier League, mid-table at best. A decent team in the A-League would struggle in the championship but would have no qualms in League 1 or the SPL. And everyone else who doesn’t meet the aforementioned is mid-table League 1. Definitely not League 2 however.
January 9th 2013 @ 12:46pm
vinie said | January 9th 2013 @ 12:46pm | Report comment
People here over rate our players like they should be playing in the big leagues, if they were good enough they would be spotted and would be paying millions to the a-league clubs, obviously they dont rate.
theres so much bias here, just because they look good in the a-league doesnt mean they are world class players
January 9th 2013 @ 10:10am
midfielder said | January 9th 2013 @ 10:10am | Report comment
Interesting call. By many that a current epl club where you will get he time is not good enough . Me thinks maybe some have over rated our league…
January 9th 2013 @ 10:41am
fadida said | January 9th 2013 @ 10:41am | Report comment
Soon to be a championship club, fighting it out in a frenetic generally long ball league which won’t suit him. This is our concern. An established EPL side like Fulham might be more acceptable but Rogic style is perfect for Holland/Germany
January 9th 2013 @ 10:36am
Fussball ist unser leben said | January 9th 2013 @ 10:36am | Report comment
Terrific article, Vince – 100% agree with all you’ve said and so glad you raised the issue of … Player Agents.
Only today, an article in The Guardian, by Owen Gibson, exposed the greediness of football player agents.
Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/jan/08/fifa-transfers-agents-third-parties
According to FIFA statistics, the total value international football transfers last year was greater than US$3 billion and “more than a quarter (28%) of all international transfer fees were paid to agents and intermediaries”.
This 28% figure is absolutely staggering.
Even in the greedy world of Investment Banking, self-proclaimed Masters of the Universe, don’t charge such commissions for bringing together buyers & sellers of capital. I reckon 28% commissions are in the realm of what Tony Soprano would have charged Johnny Sack for brokering a deal!
But, the pigs may soon lose their troughs.
Technology – the 21st century’s White Knight for the oppressed; Darth Vader for those in power – is about to revolutionise the the global football player transfer market.
FIFA is about to launch a “Global Player Exchange”. This electronic exchange will provide a central database to allow clubs to access market information & interact with one another, including checking on the availability of players.
Just as stockbrokers lost their power with the introduction of e-markets, the end is nigh for the greedy player agent.
January 9th 2013 @ 10:44am
Vince Rugari said | January 9th 2013 @ 10:44am | Report comment
They’re not all greedy and by no means am I saying the guys looking after Mat Ryan or Tom Rogic have done or would do anything bad, or greedy. Just that the contacts an agent have can lead to a predisposition to a certain club or country, if that makes sense. Both have rejected what’s been offered to them recently and rightly so IMO, so everyone wins and sense has been reached.
January 9th 2013 @ 10:55am
Fussball ist unser leben said | January 9th 2013 @ 10:55am | Report comment
Vince, my MAJOR concern is … why was Ryan even contemplating a move to 4th division Scotland.
Sure, I don’t have all the details, but prima facie such a move reeks of player agents/managers not working for the best interest of their client.
January 9th 2013 @ 6:48pm
Vince Rugari said | January 9th 2013 @ 6:48pm | Report comment
Because it’s not really to fourth division Scotland, it’s to a big club that sooner or later (whether it be by the book or if they get a handy TV rights-related promotion or two, free of charge) will be up in the SPL again. Facilities are amazing, the prestige… well, a kid like Ryan would have to pinch himself.
Don’t get me wrong, it’s a horrible idea IMO, but I get the attraction on Ryan’s part. Not sure if your suspicions of other motivations are fair or not… I’ll leave that for another journo to debunk or prove right.
January 10th 2013 @ 9:54am
Planet Football said | January 10th 2013 @ 9:54am | Report comment
Let’s face it, agents don’t have the best interests of the player at heart – they are more interested in their cut and percentage.
Surely players such as Rogic would be better off getting advice from the PFA? And besides the PFA, hasn’t Craig Moore recently been employed by the FFA to give players such as Rogic advice about transfers and the like?
The PFA do not have a financial interest in players and don’t stand to benefit from transfers, unlike agents.
If I was in Rogic and Ryan’s boots, I would be taking advice from the union. And not from agents with links to, and mates at, European clubs, and who are mainly (only?) interested in the size of their wallets, and how much money they will make from the transfer of their clients..
January 9th 2013 @ 12:03pm
nordster said | January 9th 2013 @ 12:03pm | Report comment
Players do seem overepresented in general i agree Fuss…agents, managers, unions….then both ends of the deal club wise. They are more capable of looking after their own affairs which is good experience for post playing career anyway. One manager on an individual level…or go with a collectivist provider like the PFA or a bigger sports management company. Unionism isnt compulsory after all…they should set up a more direct management wing imo rather than trying to represent everyone by default.
January 9th 2013 @ 10:42am
Adrian said | January 9th 2013 @ 10:42am | Report comment
i think Mathew Ryan need a new agent…because Danish club Randers made an offer believed to be around $100,000, is that the best he can get..WTF
I watch Danish football on ViaSat…please, ithe league a little bit better then the SPL , and to go to a mid table team like Randers FC is even more nuts than Rangers in Scot 4th ..maybe, just maybe Ryan could be playing Europa League 2nd Qualifying round against giant teams like Lithuania, Ssduva Marijampole
Ryan can even buy a cheap stole car , on it way to Belarus market
If it’s a team like FC Copenhagen, or Celtic, fine, they will get a good chance to play Champions League or a lest Europe League group stage football..but to go to a team like Randers FC , Aberdeen or Hearts , then they will be playing football, week in week out at a lower stranded then the A-League
January 9th 2013 @ 12:06pm
nordster said | January 9th 2013 @ 12:06pm | Report comment
He wont start at a club like Kobenhavn really, if its mid table then at least he will be getting looked at more closely by english teams and decent size ones too. Then go be no.2 in epl as the next move from there…
January 9th 2013 @ 5:18pm
wisey_9 said | January 9th 2013 @ 5:18pm | Report comment
Adrian, I’m not sure how you understand how transfers work? Maty Ryan won’t see any of the $100k. This is the fee that Randers will pay CCM to release Ryan from his contract.
This might seem low, but you need to remember that Ryan’s contract will finish at the end of the season and then he will be able to leave CCM for free. (FIFA have standards which will mean that CCM will always receive kickbacks for developing Ryan’s talent, but these will always be small compared to straight up transfer fee).
And demanding that Ryan only move to a team that plays in the Europa League or higher is a bit rich IMO. If Randers can guarantee him first-team football in the Danish first division, I’d say thats an excellent move for a 20yo. As Nordster says – that move would put him right in the shop window of the big European clubs.
January 9th 2013 @ 6:25pm
Adrian said | January 9th 2013 @ 6:25pm | Report comment
wisey_9 , yes, you are right on the transfers , i should have said CCM need better agents
joking
I don’t believe he is better off, going to play for a mid table Danish team, playing in a league that no body watches …I live here for 10 years (Europe) i’ve been to many league games around Europe, and most of those league are dead, people don’t go and watch these games, they all stay home and watch EPL on weekend
We Australia football supports have got to stop thinking, that it good enough for a players to just get starting time at any euro team ..Maty Ryan , is better off, playing at the top team in the A-league and playing ACL football (lets face ACL really means playing the top 4 teams from Japan, Korea , and China) which is far better standed then what he get playing for mid table Danish
We (Australians) got change are thinking about euro football, it not all high stranded ever week
January 9th 2013 @ 5:22pm
Wanderer said | January 9th 2013 @ 5:22pm | Report comment
Sorry mate but he’s not going to Celtic anytime soon, not with Fraser Forster in the form of his life. Put it this way, Lindegaard managed to get noticed by Man United and has played more than a handful of games, IN THE PREMIER LEAGUE.
January 9th 2013 @ 10:56am
rob said | January 9th 2013 @ 10:56am | Report comment
the Italian media watching ADP says the A league is an a joke, poor standard and unprofessional and can’t understand why he’s playing in it they particualrly brutal of SFC for being so bad.
January 9th 2013 @ 11:15am
Brick Tamlin of the Pants Party said | January 9th 2013 @ 11:15am | Report comment
Unfortunatley they only get to see Sydney Fc games!
January 9th 2013 @ 11:19am
Adrian said | January 9th 2013 @ 11:19am | Report comment
Italian media would say that when there great ADP is playing in team that in Last place
it help them to feel good about
on that, when you have a team with ADP and Brett Emerton (and there last) in it, it must mean the other 9 players on the park are Sh!t or maybe the other teams players are not so bad players
January 9th 2013 @ 2:22pm
fadida said | January 9th 2013 @ 2:22pm | Report comment
Perhaps the Italians aren’t used to an even competition and don’t understand why there isn’t more racism and match fixing?
January 9th 2013 @ 10:59am
Fussball ist unser leben said | January 9th 2013 @ 10:59am | Report comment
BREAKING NEWS:
Ray Gatt has just Tweeted that Tom Rogic will be leaving TOMORROW to link with Celtic FC. Ray says Celtic have made Rogic an offer – he is NOT going over for a trial; Celtic want him in SCO to finalise the deal.
Ray will post the article on The Australian website shortly.
This is massive news. Celtic was the club that shot Mark Viduka to European fame and they are in the Ro16 of the UCL and will play Juventus in February.
January 9th 2013 @ 11:12am
midfielder said | January 9th 2013 @ 11:12am | Report comment
Massive news if true
January 9th 2013 @ 11:17am
Fussball ist unser leben said | January 9th 2013 @ 11:17am | Report comment
Middy – he’s definitely going to Celtic, but the details of the trip are varying.
FFA article (http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/news-display/rogic-headed-to-scotland/57680) says he’s trialling.
Ray Gatt says he’s been told it’s not a trial, but a “meet & greet” – i.e. deal has been done.
January 9th 2013 @ 11:43am
kellett_1992 said | January 9th 2013 @ 11:43am | Report comment
http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/a-league/news/1135954/Marrone-set-to-join-Chinese-club
Michael Marrone from Melbourne heart set to leave for China
January 9th 2013 @ 11:27am
Dave said | January 9th 2013 @ 11:27am | Report comment
Massively disappointing news for me if true. I know I’ll get cut down by the celtic fans for this opinion, but I’d rather see Rogic in the Championship than the SPL. So what if they have to play Juve? That is two games, which in all likelihood he probably wont play in anyway. At least with Reading he would have had half a season to make it in the EPL and if they got relegated would have been in a team with good potential to bounce straight back up.
January 9th 2013 @ 12:57pm
nickoldschool said | January 9th 2013 @ 12:57pm | Report comment
I see what you mean dave but for a footballer it’s hard to refuse Celtic when you play in any A League club. The scottish league might be a now one-team championship, Celtic has arguably one of the best public in the world and is a legend of the game.
To go back to what ppl say about comparing the HAL with MLS, j-league, and other euro leagues it’s hard and debatable to make a judgement. What is certain is that whether we want it or not Europe remains the centre of the football world and it’s not going to change. Most clubs/agents dont even bother with finding players in Oceania so a move to old Europe does make sense. If you score a goal/match in a mid-table Danish club you will get more exposure than if you do so at any A league team.
January 9th 2013 @ 1:32pm
Dave said | January 9th 2013 @ 1:32pm | Report comment
Yeah, no doubt correct Nickoldschool. But no matter how great their history is, I can’t believe that any up and coming footballer would see Celtic as an end game, rather than just a stepping stone these days. And I just can’t think of anyone right now who has gone on recently from Celtic (or the rest of the SPL) to bigger things? Who is the last big name to have spent time developing there? Being a Spurs fan I know of Alan Hutton coming from the SPL straight to the EPL (and in the end he was largely disappointing), but who else? If Rogic is headed there I would love to be contradicted on this…
Thinking about it a bit more I suppose for plenty of footballers to play for a Club like Celtic would be a massive, career topping achievement, but I think with Rogic we all have such high hopes for him, and the reputation of the SPL as more of a crash and bash league than a passing league just doesn’t seem to suit him.
January 9th 2013 @ 3:51pm
nickoldschool said | January 9th 2013 @ 3:51pm | Report comment
You’re completely right dave, i always saw clubs like Celtic or Rangers as ‘end of the road’ options for foreign players. Being french i remember Sauzee and Zitelli (Sauzee had a decent international career in the early 90s) moving there and justifying their decision by the aura of these clubs, playing in front of a full house every w-e etc, which is fair enough. Many,including me, saw that as a step backwards in their career.
I see that a bit differently now that i am in Oz particularly from a young aussie player point of view: he is coming from a ‘minor’ league, far from the epicentre of the world and Celtic on your CV does look better than CCM or SFC etc. I think a good season over there could really kick-start his career and put him on the spot-light for bigger things. Dunno what to think really.