Why Warne’s legacy hasn’t been damaged
By Luke Doherty, 30 Jan 2013 Luke Doherty is a Roar Expert
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When Shane Warne walked off the Sydney Cricket Ground after his final Test match in January 2007, there wouldn’t have been a spectator in the ground who didn’t realise they were witnessing the exit of one of the greats.
Warne is the best leg-spinner the world has ever seen and is ever likely to see.
The Victorian was the answer to almost every problem the team faced from his emergence as a Test cricketer in 1992 until his exit at the SCG that day.
His exploits with the ball helped fans forget the many off-field incidents, but on that day in Sydney as he waved goodbye, few if any cared about his past.
In fact, each drama only lasted until the next bit of magic was produced with the ball.
His ability to make competent batsmen look like park cricketers was unparalleled and while the good times rolled fans forgave and forgot.
Warne was the ultimate people’s champion. He was the ordinary bloke capable of extraordinary feats on a cricket field, but now the public seems to be turning against him.
Exactly why needs examining. What is so different about the Warne of 2013 to the one who thrilled us all for 15 years?
By his own admission his career was tinged with controversy.
In 1998 he confessed, along with Mark Waugh, to providing pitch and weather details to a bookmaker in 1994.
In 2003, he tested positive to a banned diuretic and was suspended from cricket for a year.
One of the shrewdest tactical minds the game has ever seen was also seen as too big of a risk to be installed as the Australian captain because of several off-field scandals.
Yet, we loved him all the same.
We cheered when he left batsmen befuddled with a ripping leg-spinner. We marvelled as he out-witted another with a wrong-un and flat out confused others with a flipper.
The off-field drama didn’t seem to matter as long as the wickets kept falling.
Now, Warne provides a modest return in the Big Bash League, gets in a stoush with Marlon Samuels and doesn’t put his name down as skipper on a team-sheet and we’re outraged?
Warne’s career survived so many sagas that it seems odd for people to turn against him now.
The exchange with Samuels was a terrible look for the game.
This season, viewers were taken closer to the action than ever before and got a little more than they bargained for.
Is it really the first time a player has let fly with loose lips on the field?
Why are we surprised when Warne does something out of the ordinary in 2013 when it hardly left us stunned a decade ago?
A legacy can only be damaged if behavioural patterns start to change dramatically.
Social media might have given his one million followers on twitter a previously inaccessible insight into the man away from the field but, apart from the loss of a few kilograms, is he really a different person to the one we loved?
He was never going to be shy and insular in retirement because he wasn’t that way during his career.
The magic might’ve stopped or at least got less frequent, but perhaps we have changed while Warne has stayed the same.
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January 30th 2013 @ 4:38am
Johnno said | January 30th 2013 @ 4:38am | Report comment
Warney was just being honest, and speaking his mind. The reason why so much defensive tactics, form cricket Australia is, I think it now knows it’s botched the HP job with Pat Howard and Ivers as chairman of selectors. Pat Howard especially,.
Ceo and HPM are 2 different jobs. The NRL ceo is not the HP manager , so it doesn’t matter has no rugby league background.
HP is a highly technical job. A guy like Tom Moody or Darren Lehmann far more suited, or steve Rixon.
And you think Justin Langer had some challenges as batting coach, I can’t imaging the struggles Pat Howard must have as HP coach.
Warney like the Quade Cooper incident, struck a raw nerve, as did Brett Lee saying stuff about ex-NSW cricket ceo Brad Gilbert.
On all 3 comments by these 3 i agree with. But I agree most with Warney about Pat Howard. At least Nucifora, was an ex-wallaby, a rugby man, and had some success in head coaching jobs.
Pat Howard has never played elite cricket as far as I’m aware. This may enhance Warne’s reputation as he is astute on cricket stuff, whatever else others say about him. When it comes to cricket Warney has always had a very tactical mind. He would of been a good Test captain , was a good ODI captain too.
January 30th 2013 @ 12:42pm
Bunny Colvin said | January 30th 2013 @ 12:42pm | Report comment
Agree totally Johnno. Warne cares a great deal about cricket and the way it is played, so his comments come out of frustration, that a lot of us also feel, towards the rudderless Cricket Australia.
Critics of Warne forget, we were turned over by a mediocre Sri Lanka, at home in the short form of cricket largely due to the ridiculous chopping and changing of the Australian 11. Also, as Warne pointed out, playing 2nd and 3rd choice players, as we have been in short changing the paying public and the turnstiles are empty stands reflect that the people are turning away. Will be interesting to see the tv ratings for the Sri Lankan one day series.
Looking forward to reading Shane Warne’s letter outlining his vision for the Australian game.
Australian cricket is seriously sick and it is caused by management over egging the cricket pudding.
January 30th 2013 @ 2:31pm
Andy_Roo said | January 30th 2013 @ 2:31pm | Report comment
First a reply to the article itself, Luke,
I’m sure many people don’t have and never have had a high opinon of Shane Warne as a person. I certainly never have had and to say that we forgive and forget as soon as he takes a few wickets is just naive.
Secondly Johnno,
Pat Howard is a manager not a coach. Coaching is not part of his role and therefore his cricketing expertise is not important. His managerial skills are. I don’ think he is doing a great job but that has nothing to do with whether or not he can bat or bowl.
January 30th 2013 @ 6:15am
Tenash said | January 30th 2013 @ 6:15am | Report comment
interesting article
have to agree.
Don’t give 2 hoots what a sportsman does in his personal life
But absolutely nothing can take away those magical Warney moments (on-field ones) over the years that will be forever etched in history.
No matter what idiotic stuff Warne does off-field.
January 30th 2013 @ 7:43am
Robert said | January 30th 2013 @ 7:43am | Report comment
Warne’s image hasnt been damaged,he is still an idiot
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January 30th 2013 @ 8:38am
Christo the Daddyo said | January 30th 2013 @ 8:38am | Report comment
Luke, I’m afraid you don’t speak for me when you say…
“we loved him all the same”, etc
While I admired his cricketing skills and his tactical nous, he is clearly a less than stellar human being. I for one am very glad CA resisted the temptation to give him the captaincy. His behaviour (both on and off the field) did not warrant being given the highest honour in Australian cricket.
If this is the end for Warne, it is a somewhat appropriate ending – combative, yet controversial and slightly distasteful.
January 30th 2013 @ 2:06pm
Mango Jack said | January 30th 2013 @ 2:06pm | Report comment
Agree, Christo. They made the right call giving Waugh the captaincy over Warne. Despite Chappelli constantly banging on about it, it was recognition of the importance of the off-field part of the job, for which Waugh was much better qualified.
January 30th 2013 @ 2:53pm
jameswm said | January 30th 2013 @ 2:53pm | Report comment
I think he means we loved him as the flawed genius he is/was.
January 30th 2013 @ 8:54am
Matt F said | January 30th 2013 @ 8:54am | Report comment
He’s the same person he always was but there are reasons why his perception appears worse than when he was playing.
1) He’s not playing cricket anymore (average BBL stint aside) so we’re no longer mesmerised by his genius on the field. We still remember it fondly but there just memories now. Look at the coverage of Tomic during the Australian Open to see what I’m talking about. If you’re performing well on the field/court/whatever then your off-field issues are forgotten, at least temporarily.
2) Twitter. Now Warne is able to convey every single thought that goes on inside his head, regardless of how well thought out they actually are, all without having to leave his bed! We always knew what he was but now he gets to remind us constantly. The wonders of modern technology!
January 30th 2013 @ 10:43am
Redb said | January 30th 2013 @ 10:43am | Report comment
Disagree I think Warne has done himself considerable harm and lost many fans willing to overlook past indiscretions becuase he was such a great bowler.
Bowing out gracefully would have been a better footnote to his career, not unlike how Barry Hall repaired his image at the Bulldogs after the Swans issues. Hall deliberately and purposefully tried to atone for his past. Warne seems to have slipped further into the cesspit.
January 30th 2013 @ 1:53pm
Bunny Colvin said | January 30th 2013 @ 1:53pm | Report comment
What exactly did he say to do “himself” harm? He was making a point that Australia is playing it’s 2nd raters, getting well beaten and that the folks making all the decisions are not cricket people. James Sutherland, as CEO and Pat Howard the rugby union guy(never even heard of him in rugby to be honest).
This football/baseball rotation system is ludicrous for such short cricket seaons. Not to mention turns off viewers and weakens our teams.
January 30th 2013 @ 2:24pm
Redb said | January 30th 2013 @ 2:24pm | Report comment
I’m talking about his antics in the BBL.
January 30th 2013 @ 11:07am
Grahame said | January 30th 2013 @ 11:07am | Report comment
Quote: “Warne is the best leg-spinner the world has ever seen and is ever likely to see.”
Of course it is nice to trumpet one of your own but the reality is Muttiah Muralitharan has taken more Test wickets and he has taken them at a better average and in fewer Test matches. Or are you making a distinction between best “leg spinner” and best “spinner”? Murali has never been banned. Warne was banned for a year having admitted to being a drugs cheat.
January 30th 2013 @ 11:11am
toddm said | January 30th 2013 @ 11:11am | Report comment
has Warnes action ever been questioned ??
January 30th 2013 @ 11:22am
Matt F said | January 30th 2013 @ 11:22am | Report comment
He said “best leg-spinner” so it’s very, very obvious what he meant. I’m not sure how he could have been any clearer, unless you’re suggesting that Murali was a leg-spinner in which case I’d question you’re knowledge of the game
January 30th 2013 @ 11:28am
Christo the Daddyo said | January 30th 2013 @ 11:28am | Report comment
Murali’s action was so bad the ICC changed the law to ensure his action was legal.
Warne is a twat, but he was a much better bowler than Murali.
January 30th 2013 @ 12:37pm
Jason said | January 30th 2013 @ 12:37pm | Report comment
In any case, Murali’s apparently better stats are entirely explainable by the fact that Warne spent half his career playing on Australian pitches where Murali averaged over 100 for Sri Lanka, and Murali spent half his career playing on Sri Lankan pitches where Warne averaged 20.
January 30th 2013 @ 2:10pm
Mango Jack said | January 30th 2013 @ 2:10pm | Report comment
Not to mention the quality of opposition. It would be interesting to weight the value of wickets taken according to the ranking of the opposition team (and maybe also the batting position?) I suspect Warne would come out ahead. Also, as pointed out, Warne was suspended for a year in his prime, so his tally would have ben higher.
Still a twat, though.
January 30th 2013 @ 2:46pm
Jason said | January 30th 2013 @ 2:46pm | Report comment
Take out Zimbabwe and Bangladesh tests and Warne has 691 wickets at 25.4 and MM has 624 wickets at 24.9.
January 30th 2013 @ 12:16pm
Johnno said | January 30th 2013 @ 12:16pm | Report comment
Sir Garfield Sobers doesn’t rate Shane Warne as the best leg spinner ever. He rates Subhash Gupte. as No 1.
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Gupte was NOT a one innings wonder. :
He took five in an innings 12 times and on another 8 occasions had four in an innings. Considering that he played only 36 test matches, that does not make him a one test wonder.
Many consider him the greatest spinner India has produced :
Again one may not agree but considering the quality of spinners from the land that gave us Bedi, Prasanna, Chandra, Mankad and now Kumble, it speaks volumes of Gupte’s caliber.
India probably dropped as many catches off Gupte as they held : One has heard old timers talk in amazement not just of Gupte’s magic but of the amazingly high number of catches that India floored off his bowling. I remember talking to late Ramesh divecha about Gupte’s bowling and he mentioned that while Pakistani batsmen had absolutely no clue as to which way his ball would go (1954-55) the joke going around was that the Indian fielders had no clue too. India again dropped many catches off his bowling in England in 1959.
Gupte did not last long enough in Indian cricket. He was one of the early rebels. Stories of his misdemeanours are legion. Discipline was not Gupte’s strong point. But he was a great leg spinner. Better than warne or no is not for me to say but he must have been of some class for Sobers to have such high regard for him and we should at least respect that.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/Australia/content/player/28880.html
January 30th 2013 @ 12:21pm
Julian said | January 30th 2013 @ 12:21pm | Report comment
We view the state of the world through the lens of our own experience. When things come naturally to gifted sportsmen like Warne, it can be difficult to empathise with others of less skill or experience or those with alternative philosophies.
That Warne occasionally went off the rails during his career added to his appeal because it made him relatable. It humanized him. It laid the foundation for a great redemption tale. His on-field exploits seemed the more remarkable as a result of his instability outside the boundary rope.
We the fans created the legend of Warne and basked in the glory of his contradictions. It’s self-righteous of us to now gently tut-tut simply because he’s no longer destroying the Poms.
Whilst I’m not condoning his recent behaviour in the BBL, the question is whether that behaviour will damage his legacy.
If the Gatting ball still sends chills up your spine in spite of his missteps, then I think you have your answer.
January 30th 2013 @ 12:39pm
Jason said | January 30th 2013 @ 12:39pm | Report comment
Just watched it again:
Chills…
January 30th 2013 @ 2:44pm
Chui said | January 30th 2013 @ 2:44pm | Report comment
Two things about that clp.
Having never watched in such slow motion, I’ve never noticed how far to leg Gatting takes strike.
Secondly, this clip finishes far too early. Some of the best stuff is Gatting’s examination of the trajectory before and after it pitches.
But Warne is still a goose
January 30th 2013 @ 1:05pm
Chop said | January 30th 2013 @ 1:05pm | Report comment
I guess the article assumes you are a fan of his to start with.
I’m a massive fan of his cricketing ability, relieved he was never given the captaincy of the national team, not because he didn’t have the ability but because of the discipline issues and controversy that follows him.
He’s turning into the David Campese of Cricket…..