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    Clive Woodward’s recent statement beggars belief: “it is an own goal that has handed the Lions a trump card and just emphasises again how modern coaching – aligned with this obsession with `team ethic’ – has sidelined the more maverick characters.”

    He should read his own book Winning, and reconsider his objection to a “team ethic” being at the core of a successful team.

    Clive, start with page 263. You claim that the turning point in building the English squad to win the 2003 World Cup came at the beginning of 2000 when you saw the wisdom of the Royal Marines advice that you needed “energisers” and couldn’t even afford one “energy sapper”.

    When Quade Cooper made his “toxic” statement last year, he was being true to himself.

    He was one of the toxic “energy sapping” elements in the Wallabies squad. He had plenty of support from similarly “energy sapping”, “negative” rugby followers in Australia.

    For years the Wallabies and Robbie Deans have been subjected to a tirade of criticism from the press and so-called knowledgeable rugby fans on sites such as this.

    Even when the Wallabies were reduced by injury to a combination of second and third level players last season, the criticism didn’t let up.

    Woodward knows what that feels like, as he led a second string English team on what he calls “The Tour from Hell” and a 76-nil loss to the Wallabies in 1998.

    What Deans and the third string Wallabies achieved in the last three games of last year’s Four Nations was proof that a team can succeed when there are no “negative” players left in the squad and they are playing for themselves and each other.

    They certainly weren’t playing for the Australian public or media who had written them off and were only waiting for another opportunity to dump on them.

    Hopefully the positive culture, the “team ethic” that Clive scorns, remained at the end of the season and has been adopted by each of the Wallabies who returned from injury this season.

    If this squad has bought into this positive “team ethic” we should see some exciting rugby in the near future.

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    • June 13th 2013 @ 5:32am
      mania said | June 13th 2013 @ 5:32am | ! Report

      good article. its all about the team not an individual. only time i is before team is in the dictionary

      • June 13th 2013 @ 12:39pm
        BetterRedThanDead said | June 13th 2013 @ 12:39pm | ! Report

        Wow. Hell of a contribution mania. What else you got?

        • June 13th 2013 @ 12:42pm
          mania said | June 13th 2013 @ 12:42pm | ! Report

          may the force be with u.
          winners dont quit and quitters never win.
          a mans gotta know his limitations.
          gravity cannot be blamed for people falling in love.
          only the universe and human stupidity are infinate and i’m not sure about the universe – einstein

          • June 13th 2013 @ 12:48pm
            BetterRedThanDead said | June 13th 2013 @ 12:48pm | ! Report

            All good stuff. Thanks for sharing 🙂

            • June 13th 2013 @ 1:23pm
              jock said | June 13th 2013 @ 1:23pm | ! Report

              ha ha nice one mania!!!

          • June 13th 2013 @ 2:07pm
            nickoldschool said | June 13th 2013 @ 2:07pm | ! Report

            Post of the day mania 🙂

      • June 13th 2013 @ 4:02pm
        Archer said | June 13th 2013 @ 4:02pm | ! Report

        good article? Woodward’s 2003 WC team managed to win in the second period of extra time against an Australian team coached by Eddie Jones! A team which had just lost its best scrummaging forward to injury and also played without an injured Larkham at 10. Maybe Woodward wasn’t all that accurate in picking the right combo 😉 I don’t recall that team of his doing much after their WC win. Woodward’s ideas didn’t seem to work well for his Lions side. But I guess it all sells books.

        • June 13th 2013 @ 9:59pm
          Ben.S said | June 13th 2013 @ 9:59pm | ! Report

          That’s some superbly imaginative revisionism going on right there!

          • June 14th 2013 @ 1:11pm
            Archer said | June 14th 2013 @ 1:11pm | ! Report

            lol compared to what’s been going on re Quade Cooper and Carlos Spencer I’m an amatuer. But how is temprament suitable in a life or death combat situation even remotely similar to a rugby game. Do we really expect the Wallabies to win or come back home on their shields.

    • June 13th 2013 @ 5:48am
      Billy Bob said | June 13th 2013 @ 5:48am | ! Report

      Yes all for team positivity. But what about looking at a mans contributions rather than every third article on a website standing as a beacon inviting negative nellies to list a mans past and present mistakes.
      Good article in principle. Selective ‘positive’ data gathering.
      ‘Be positive’ can be as clear a motto as ‘be nice’ or ‘be ethical’
      Who defines?

      • June 13th 2013 @ 6:08am
        mania said | June 13th 2013 @ 6:08am | ! Report

        i think quade is being judged on his merits. his game in the weekend was the usual mixed bag you’d expect from quade. a bit of slickness with an equal amount of errors

        • June 13th 2013 @ 1:24pm
          johnson said | June 13th 2013 @ 1:24pm | ! Report

          Rocks and diamonds. He is a great player just not a great test player yet

        • June 14th 2013 @ 9:23am
          handles said | June 14th 2013 @ 9:23am | ! Report

          Equal amount of errors? Christ, you guys never cease to amaze. He missed touch once, and he didn’t get a runner for a simple wrap that he called, once.

          He handled the ball more than any player on the field, and he ran for further than any Red except Luke Morahan.

    • June 13th 2013 @ 8:13am
      Goldenbul said | June 13th 2013 @ 8:13am | ! Report

      Ask the fans or Coopers reds team mates if the guy is positive? He’s one of the most positive players i can see playing the game now.
      I thought energy sapping might be a coach who consistantly talks in ridiles, has very poor player selections while picking players out of form and out of position, one player had the balls to call it how it is and now what?

      • June 13th 2013 @ 8:24am
        mania said | June 13th 2013 @ 8:24am | ! Report

        “one player had the balls to call it how it is and now what?” and now he has to face the consequences of having said balls and speaking out. every action has its consequences. quade shouldve realised what would happen when he tweeted toxic. none of this should be a surprise to him.
        Goldenbul honestly what did u expect? that deans would rise above being stabbed in the back and forgive, kiss and makeup with quade? tell me how u would react if u were coach and vilified by a single player for the nation to hear. quade did say that he wouldnt play for the WBs again and he’s getting his wish.
        quade is energy sapping in deans environment. the WBs are deans environment. he’s head coach and calls the shots.whether deans chooses to be energy sapping is his perogative.

        • June 13th 2013 @ 11:06am
          goldenbull said | June 13th 2013 @ 11:06am | ! Report

          I would at the very least have a look at myself. If a player feels this way then why? its not just a player but the majority of the Australian rugby public. You’re a kiwi right?
          ‘whether deans chooses to be energy sapping is his perogative’ I will celebrate when Deans is gone, how pathetic!

          • June 13th 2013 @ 11:29am
            mania said | June 13th 2013 @ 11:29am | ! Report

            yes i’m kiwi.
            but if u were coach and u had a brilliant player like quade and he stabbed u in the back, publicly what would u do?
            for deans as a coach the answer is easy. drop him. quade is disruptive to the chain of command. deans cannot afford to have quade in there else he’ll lose all authority of the team.
            i’m not a deans fan by the way. he and mithcell ruined christianCullens career. but this situation with quade, if quade had done that to any coach then i imagine 99% of them would react the same.

            • June 13th 2013 @ 1:27pm
              johnson said | June 13th 2013 @ 1:27pm | ! Report

              Maybe quade was presented with his flaws and didn’t want to hear it. I think he was told of his flaws and if he didn’t fix them he would not be playing in the wallabies this year as first choice fly half. I think that’s why he tweeted what he did, he was having a paddy.

              Of course I have absolutely no proof of this or no evidence at all!!!!

            • June 13th 2013 @ 1:55pm
              Red Kev said | June 13th 2013 @ 1:55pm | ! Report

              The issue I have mania is that Deans didn’t drop him – he keeps hedging and lying and saying Quade has a chance to come back. I’d have far more respect for him if he said “that guy won’t play for me, I won’t have him”. Instead he is stopping the guy’s career and damaging the career of another Australian coach in an underhanded and disgraceful manner. He’s a slinking coward.
              People (Deans cheerleaders) make a big deal about Deans being a south island country man and honour and integrity and all that bollocks – he can’t even navigate a sentence clearly.

              • June 13th 2013 @ 2:04pm
                jutsie said | June 13th 2013 @ 2:04pm | ! Report

                lol so dramatic.

              • June 13th 2013 @ 3:50pm
                johnson said | June 13th 2013 @ 3:50pm | ! Report

                you do seem to have a little issue with deans not selecting quade, my evidence for this is your many previous posts beneath many other articles.

                I also don’t know if Deans behaviour could be described as ” hedging and lying ” or “a slinking coward”. Firstly he had the bottle to drop quade in the first place, even though many people are losing their minds over it. He has copped so much flack but he has stuck to his guns, cowardly? I don’t think so. Secondly he said if injuries happen he might take him back. That seems pretty reasonable. I don’t know if that’s ” hedging and lying “. It would seem a touch irrational to say that.

                “damaging the career of another Australian coach”, you mean Ewan Mckensie yeah? I would love to hear the reasoning behind this, that would be so enlightening and maybe a bit amusing.

              • June 13th 2013 @ 5:43pm
                goldenbull said | June 13th 2013 @ 5:43pm | ! Report

                he had the bottle to drop quade in the first place then select him again after bledisloe 1 in brisbane, what a fail! the coach is a fail!

              • June 13th 2013 @ 10:45pm
                johnson said | June 13th 2013 @ 10:45pm | ! Report

                Goldenbull, your dead on the money, a successful and competent coach does:
                1) not select a player for one game; and then
                2) select that player for a later game.
                Once a player is not selected for the wallabies under no circumstances is that player ever to be selected again for their country. I am glad you pointed out that vital point for the rest of us roarers.

              • June 14th 2013 @ 11:12am
                goldenbull said | June 14th 2013 @ 11:12am | ! Report

                Ok Johnson and in this case you know what Im talking about, so Deans doesnt select Cooper for belidisloe 1 saying he isnt match fit then after cooper doesnt play any more rugby he gets selected for game 2 at the same ground in NZ, face it Deans is a clown and will be gone soon!

              • June 14th 2013 @ 11:41am
                johnson said | June 14th 2013 @ 11:41am | ! Report

                sorry bull, that is a not so brilliant point you have made. He wasn’t fit, then he spends another week in camp then he is. Maybe he just wasn’t fit and then with another weeks training he was. If that’s your best argument to make out deans floors, then sorry pal, I don’t think you have much

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      June 13th 2013 @ 8:21am
      Anthony Hird said | June 13th 2013 @ 8:21am | ! Report

      Well said. Go the Wallabies!

    • June 13th 2013 @ 8:43am
      RPollock said | June 13th 2013 @ 8:43am | ! Report

      Shoot the whistleblower. Cooper called it as he saw it.
      You have to ask if the coach is having a negative effect. This is Deans major failing by ignoring form players in selection he creates the negativity or “energy sapping” of which you speak.

    • June 13th 2013 @ 8:56am
      Red Kev said | June 13th 2013 @ 8:56am | ! Report

      Robbie Deans, Energy Sapper

      • June 13th 2013 @ 1:49pm
        krill said | June 13th 2013 @ 1:49pm | ! Report

        you want to see sapped, I was looking at some old crusaders games, when dingo was top dog. They look sapped. I can’t believe the stupid ARU ever gave him a go. Blind Freddy could see he could not coach.

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