Lack of Aussies playing regular football overseas a cause for concern

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    With the new European season already underway, its sad to see that there are very few Australians starting for big clubs across the top leagues around the world, which is alarming for football in this country going forward.

    We have to face reality and accept that the youth systems in academies across the country are not well run compared to previous eras.

    The era that I am particularly referring to is our 2006 ‘golden generation’, which comprised many stars that were playing at the highest level for some of the biggest clubs across Europe’s top five leagues.

    It’s actually quite unbelievable to compare that generation to the current one we have at our disposal.

    The likes of Harry Kewell winning the Champions League with Liverpool, Tim Cahill playing an important role at Everton, Mark Viduka steamrolling the Premier League with Leeds and Newcastle, Mark Schwarzer maintaining a starting spot at Middlesborough, and Lucas Neill and Craig Moore playing key roles for Blackburn and Newcastle were all playing regular football in England.

    Scott Chipperfield was starring for FC Basel, John Aloisi played in Spain, midfielders Vince Grella and Mark Bresciano made names for themselves in Italy and Jason Culina was instrumental in Holland for PSV Eindhoven.

    They all gave the Socceroos hope of achieving the impossible.

    These players are not just names that were added to club team sheets to fill the numbers; they all played consistent football and performed at their best with the help of great coaching.

    Interestingly, only three players out of the 23-man shortlist in 2006 were playing in the A-League. If we compare that to the upcoming World Cup, around 8 tot 10 A-League players have a chance of making the squad.

    This is the main problem I have with this current group of players. The A-League should be a stepping stone to develop young players, giving them some experience to then challenge themselves at some of the world’s biggest clubs. There are too many players who are staying in Australia for too long, which is harming their growth.

    (Image: AAP Image/Paul Miller)

    To be fair to some players, they are putting themselves out there and wanting to test themselves among the best – the only problem is that they aren’t playing football on a regular basis. Brad Smith, Mitchell Langerak, Trent Sainsbury, Chris Ikonomidis and Terry Antonis are examples of this.

    The two players who can be compared to the ‘golden generation’ are Tom Rogic and Aaron Mooy. Rogic has performed exceptionally well under Brendan Rodgers’ Celtic and has cemented a starting spot. Going forward he is going to be playing Champions League football. The latter will carry Huddersfield Town in England’s top flight, as he was their best player on their way to promotion.

    Australia needs to produce more players like this, but on the other side of the coin they must be careful how they nurture them – as Daniel De Silva will tell you, that development takes time and patience.

    In 2010, before World cup selection, former coach Pim Verbeek put a rule in place that meant no player would be selected unless they played football overseas rather than in the A-League. Although I disagreed with it to a degree, I understood his thought process in trying to get players to the level of the likes of Kewell and Cahill.

    It would make them only stronger as players – but that doesn’t mean I think the A-League isn’t important for developing the younger players.

    I should add that the explosion of money in China is not helping the development of Australians. Players like as Robbie Kruse, Ryan McGowan and Trent Sainsbury might be doing more for their bank accounts than their football, which is also a big concern.

    If Australia wants to win a World Cup down the line, producing top players and moving them on to the best leagues in Europe is the main priority. This will only happen through strong investments in grassroots programs and coaches in the A-League giving youth a chance.

    This country is capable of so much success, but the time is now to create our new golden generation.

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    • Roar Pro

      August 13th 2017 @ 10:55am
      David McDaniel said | August 13th 2017 @ 10:55am | ! Report

      I think instead you should be looking at the quality of our local com, we have great talent coming through who are being plucked straight out of our league into starting spots in overseas leagues.
      The German leagues are without doubt the best leagues for our young players to develop with their professionalism and technical focus, we have 14 players currently with German clubs.
      You also discounted the strength of the English Championship, Where Bailey Wright is captaining Bristol City who are recruiting well and aiming for promotion.

      We could easily pick a quality 11 with players all playing in quality european leagues, in fact, I will do one now.

      Ryan, Smith, Degenek, Good, Wright, Goodwin, Mooy, McGree, Antonis, Rogic, Yeboah.

      Then look at the ages of the players I have listed. They are all relatively young and will only improve.

      The future of football in Australia is looking good.

      • August 13th 2017 @ 2:31pm
        Waz said | August 13th 2017 @ 2:31pm | ! Report

        Well put. The total figures look like:

        EPL = 6
        Serie A = 1
        Bundasliga = 3
        Eredivisie = 5
        Austria = 2
        Belgium = 2
        Portugal = 3
        Scotland = 4
        Swiss = 1

        That’s 27 playing in the top flight of these countries plus a further 17 playing in the respective second divisions so 44 in total. It’s not bad.

        • Roar Pro

          August 13th 2017 @ 4:17pm
          andresilva10 said | August 13th 2017 @ 4:17pm | ! Report

          It’s one thing being part of a top flight club, but it’s another to actually get regular playing time which is what is hurting us currently.

          So out of those 27 players how many are playing regularly?

          • August 13th 2017 @ 7:22pm
            Waz said | August 13th 2017 @ 7:22pm | ! Report

            Yes it is.

            Before you wrote the article you might actually have analysed that. And then compared it to past players at a similar age/stage in their career.

    • August 13th 2017 @ 1:25pm
      Swampy said | August 13th 2017 @ 1:25pm | ! Report

      I would like to see a list of kids that have graduated from the expensive private youth schools of football to international honours and maybe compare it with kids that have come from a youth futsal background (like Rogic). There’s certainly a lot of opportunists taking advantage of parent’s dreams out there.

      I’m not convinced our set up at kids level is producing our next golden generation – we seem to have a system that produces lots of better footballers but fewer special talents.

      And the A-League has nothing to do with it – if you are 20-21 years old and only just getting noticed by international clubs it’s more than likely you are not our next viduka.

      Id like to see the transfer system between npl/lower tier clubs and the A-League changed so that there is a benefit for lower tier clubs to develop youth for the A-League

      Surely no one here is arguing the current socceroos squad is better than the squad we took to the wc in 2006 – because that’s how it’s coming across

      • August 13th 2017 @ 2:34pm
        Waz said | August 13th 2017 @ 2:34pm | ! Report

        The benefit for lower tier clubs is to charge $2k+ in fees. Will they be rebating these transfer fees to the parents who shelled out over $10k to have their kids go through “development”?

        • August 13th 2017 @ 6:42pm
          Swampy said | August 13th 2017 @ 6:42pm | ! Report

          Well if they had a transfer arrangement like viduka did from knights then it wouldn’t be an issue waz – plus I’m referring to the private talent schools, not club football

          • August 13th 2017 @ 7:26pm
            Waz said | August 13th 2017 @ 7:26pm | ! Report

            Well it would. How many clubs would recieve a transfer fee? Would they all give up $2k fees in the hope of selling a kid who’s also free to move for $0 when off contract?

    • August 13th 2017 @ 3:03pm
      Gavin R said | August 13th 2017 @ 3:03pm | ! Report

      Can you please explain where we have gone wrong with development of our youth players and why? What have other leagues done that we have the capabilities to implement.

      Its harder to break through the top leagues with home grown quotas. Those well established top divisions have all realised the enphasis on home grown will help promote national success, too.

      You’ve made a very simplistic statement, based on a poor, one dimensional argument that fails to take a deep look into anything.

    • Roar Rookie

      August 13th 2017 @ 3:57pm
      Luke said | August 13th 2017 @ 3:57pm | ! Report

      Personally I’d rather our players play regularly in the A-league than go overseas and sit on the bench. It is obviously very difficult to break into a European league regardless of nationality, our players should only go to Europe when they are fully ready.

      I don’t think we have anything to be concerned about at all, so what if our players aren’t playing in Europe at the moment, the main aim is to play regularly and develop. I cite Jamie McClaren who was originally apart of the Blackburn rovers youth set up, moved back to the A-league and is now in Germany, Leckie was at adelaide united before he went to Europe

      Needless to say it doesn’t really matter where they play so long as they are playing regularly and playing well, even those in China are playing against some decent players such as Tevez and Oscar, our players need to play in a league that gives them opportunity, if that’s the A-league (which in itself is certainty at a decent level ) then so be it

      • Roar Pro

        August 13th 2017 @ 4:07pm
        andresilva10 said | August 13th 2017 @ 4:07pm | ! Report

        I’m not saying the A-league isn’t good enough. All I’m saying is that our standards have obviously dropped significantly compared to that 06 squad because those players were playing regularly at the top level

        • Roar Pro

          August 13th 2017 @ 4:26pm
          David McDaniel said | August 13th 2017 @ 4:26pm | ! Report

          And that is, as has been said, a very simplistic statement which is why you are copping so much flak.

          The facts simply do not back up your statement.

          • August 13th 2017 @ 4:34pm
            platypusFC said | August 13th 2017 @ 4:34pm | ! Report

            Christian has the IQ of a sloth with dementia.

            He will make ridiculously stupid statements without making any coherent argument. Instead he will ignore anyone making sense and keep repeating the same thing over and over again.

            The guy is incredibly stupid.

            • Roar Pro

              August 13th 2017 @ 5:22pm
              andresilva10 said | August 13th 2017 @ 5:22pm | ! Report

              Go swim in your pond already Platypus

        • August 13th 2017 @ 4:28pm
          Gavin R said | August 13th 2017 @ 4:28pm | ! Report

          But a counter to this, would be the more better players playing in the a-league is to benefit the a league and these youth players you so desperately want to see overseas. The goal is for the national league to be of the highest quality. I’d argue that the national side put together currently, have the potential to better the ’06 generation.

          Your arguments are so baseless.

        • August 13th 2017 @ 4:31pm
          alexandriablues said | August 13th 2017 @ 4:31pm | ! Report

          Can you please back up your statements? You’re not making any sense.

        • Roar Rookie

          August 13th 2017 @ 5:14pm
          Luke said | August 13th 2017 @ 5:14pm | ! Report

          Why have our standards droped though? Is it just because our players aren’t in Europe?

          We won the Asian cup and simultaneously held the Asian club and nation trophies

          We did not play too badly in the confederations cup and we have seriously good hopes for qualifying for Russia and beyond

          You’ve mentioned our accedmies are not as good as they used to be, I’m sorry but that’s not correct at all. You look at Melbourne city’s new training facilities at La Trobe uni and they are fantastic, Adelaide got a new centre a few years ago too

          To say that our standards have dropped because our players (who are fairly young) aren’t playing in top teams yet is incorrect.

          Will we win a World Cup down the line as you suggest? possibly our teams are getting stronger and they will continue to do so. There’s greater investment, greater interest in our teams then ever before, let’s face it sure the NSL gave birth to some of our Socceroos but the public didn’t really care, how times have changed. We are mainstream now and that’s why we will continue to grow expanentionally

          • Roar Pro

            August 13th 2017 @ 10:44pm
            andresilva10 said | August 13th 2017 @ 10:44pm | ! Report

            “We have seriously good hopes for qualifying for Russia”

            3rd in the group gives us good hope? Our performances have given us good hope? Really?

            The development just isn’t functioning properly and it shows through the players that are coming through. Where is the new Cahill, Kewell, Viduka, Bresciano, Grella, Chipperfield? It starts from the grassroots. Good facilities at Melbourne City and Adelaide shouldn’t fool you.

    • August 13th 2017 @ 4:59pm
      platypusFC said | August 13th 2017 @ 4:59pm | ! Report

      You never disappoint demonstrating your stupidity and ignorance you dummy.

      At least everyone knows that now. Copping a brutal one today.

      • Roar Pro

        August 13th 2017 @ 5:23pm
        andresilva10 said | August 13th 2017 @ 5:23pm | ! Report

        Go swim in your pond platypus

      • August 13th 2017 @ 5:25pm
        platypusFC said | August 13th 2017 @ 5:25pm | ! Report

        Read all the comments! Everyone knows you’re not making sense. Even you know that!

        Seriously, read the comments! They all reckon you’ve lost your marbles.

        • Roar Pro

          August 13th 2017 @ 5:33pm
          andresilva10 said | August 13th 2017 @ 5:33pm | ! Report

          An opinion is an opinion no matter how many people think it’s great or stupid.

          There’s a way to go about it when you judge someone on their opinion and you don’t go about it in the right way unfortunately. Wouldn’t be surprised if the admin kick you off here after that comment

        • Roar Pro

          August 13th 2017 @ 5:33pm
          andresilva10 said | August 13th 2017 @ 5:33pm | ! Report

          I’ve backed up my arguments at least. You’re just a keyboard warrior

          • August 13th 2017 @ 5:36pm
            platypusFC said | August 13th 2017 @ 5:36pm | ! Report

            Christian Montegan: Our country’s footballers are terrible BECAUSE we have no one playing at big clubs in Europe.

            Christian Montegan: Japan and rest of Asia are terrible.

            BUT have a look at the Japanese players in Europe. They are at big clubs in big leagues. They play big minutes. A few are even captains in the Bundesliga.

            Explain that.

            • Roar Pro

              August 13th 2017 @ 5:57pm
              andresilva10 said | August 13th 2017 @ 5:57pm | ! Report

              1st point – When did I ever say our country’s footballers are terrible?

              2nd point – When did I ever say Japan and the rest of Asia are terrible? I said their standards have dropped with Japan not producing the same players they once did is an example
              If “we’re producing better players than ever before” then Japan and Saudi Arabia should not be ahead of us

              3rd point – Do those Japanese players who play and captain their respective clubs in Germany happen to be coming to the end of their careers or are they up and coming players?

              • August 13th 2017 @ 6:04pm
                Gavin R said | August 13th 2017 @ 6:04pm | ! Report

                “If we are producing better players than ever before then japan and saudi should not be ahead of us”

                Did you consider the rest of asia are possibly developing better players too? Your assumpion is based on comparing our results and assuming the other teams haven’t progressed.

              • Roar Pro

                August 13th 2017 @ 6:20pm
                andresilva10 said | August 13th 2017 @ 6:20pm | ! Report

                Japan have gone backwards and Saudi Arabia will always be Saudi Arabia with all due respect

              • August 13th 2017 @ 6:05pm
                platypusFC said | August 13th 2017 @ 6:05pm | ! Report

                “I said their standards have dropped with Japan not producing the same players they once did is an example”

                Really? Check out the number of first team Japanese players in the Bundesliga.

                There were nowhere near as many previous generation of players in Europe. Which Japanese players did the country “once did” produce? Any names?

                Gotoku Sakai. 26 years old. Young for a captain. Captain of Hamburg.

                Makoto Hasebe is captain at Frankfurt. Yuto Nagatomo also captained Inter.

              • Roar Pro

                August 13th 2017 @ 6:29pm
                andresilva10 said | August 13th 2017 @ 6:29pm | ! Report

                Firstly, Nagatomo is a bench warmer for Inter.

                “Which Japanese players did the country once produce?”

                – Endo
                – Shunsuke Nakamura
                – Shinji Ono
                – Hidetoshi Nakata
                – Koji Nakata
                – Miura
                – Kamamato

                Those first five were brilliant players who I grew up watching. Sure Japan might have Honda, Okazaki and Kagawa but where are the players coming through?

              • August 13th 2017 @ 6:15pm
                platypusFC said | August 13th 2017 @ 6:15pm | ! Report

                EPL
                Maya Yoshida 29/Southampton
                Shinji Okazaki 33/Leicester City

                La Liga
                Gaku Shibasaki 25/Getafe
                Takashi Inui 29/Eibar

                Serie A
                Yuto Nagatomo 31/Inter Milan

                Bundesliga
                Takuma Asano 23/Stuttgart
                Daichi Kamada 21/Frankfurt
                Shinji Kagawa 28/Dortmund
                Makoto Hasebe 33/Frankfurt
                Genki Haraguchi 26/Hertha Berlin
                Yuya Osako 27/Cologne
                Yoshinori Muto 26/Mainz

                Ligue 1
                Eiji Kawashima 34/Metz
                Hiroki Sakai 27/Marseilles

                Eredivisie
                Yuki Kobayashi 26/Heerenven
                Ritsu Doan 19/Groningen

                Jupiler Pro
                Ryota Morioka 26/Waasland
                Yuya Kubo 24/Gent

                Austria Bundesliga
                Masaaki Okugawa 21/Red Bull Salzburg
                Takumi Minamino 22/Red Bull Salzburg

                Sweden
                Kosuke Kinoshita 23/Halmstad

              • Roar Pro

                August 13th 2017 @ 7:19pm
                andresilva10 said | August 13th 2017 @ 7:19pm | ! Report

                Again, you can name as many Japanese or Australian players as you like who are part of Europe’s top leagues, but are they playing regular football??

              • August 13th 2017 @ 6:37pm
                Al-Shazahd said | August 13th 2017 @ 6:37pm | ! Report

                – Yasuhito Endo never played in Europe. Not even one club game.

                – Koji Nakata?!?! Are you serious? He played 1 season at Marseille (managed 9 games! and 2 seasons at FC Basel.

                – Kazuyoshi Miura played 12 games for Dinano Zagreb. No goals. Otherwise he made his name in the Japanese first and second division.

                – Kunishige Kamamoto played retired in 1984. He only played in Japan when it was amateur football and I doubt those games were televised.

                You really grew up watching Kamamoto? Nearly all the names you mentioned played the best football in their home countries. Not in Europe.

                Shunsuke Nakamura was a legend at Celtic but Shinji Kagawa made more of an impact on the field in a better league. Just look at this trophy cabinet at Dortmund.

              • Roar Pro

                August 13th 2017 @ 10:45pm
                andresilva10 said | August 13th 2017 @ 10:45pm | ! Report

                If you actually knew how to read….I clearly said that the first five I grew up watching…

              • August 13th 2017 @ 6:42pm
                Sukkan said | August 13th 2017 @ 6:42pm | ! Report

                “Sure Japan might have Honda, Okazaki and Kagawa but where are the players coming through?”

                you will find those players in the squad which recently won the AFC U19 championships conceding no goals.

          • August 13th 2017 @ 5:48pm
            Gavin R said | August 13th 2017 @ 5:48pm | ! Report

            Backed up with what?

            Back up the following
            “Our academy standards have dropped”
            Besides rehashing the old “we had x players in the epl”

            “The overall standard in Asia has decreased over the years”

            “Investment in China is not helping development of Australians”
            It is when its creating a strong league for players over there to compete with.

            • August 13th 2017 @ 6:51pm
              Swampy said | August 13th 2017 @ 6:51pm | ! Report

              I don’t wish to defend the writer but if you are suggesting the money in China is working to help strengthen the league then why is China so bad internationally? Please name me a Chinese player who is currently starring in Europe after his rapid development in the Chinese super league.

              In your opinion Gavin, would our current socceroos team beat the 05/06 socceroos?

              • August 13th 2017 @ 6:57pm
                Gavin R said | August 13th 2017 @ 6:57pm | ! Report

                It’s got nothing to do with the national side. While very generally speaking, a strong league produces a strong national side (Spain, Germany, Italy etc) but clearly China are doing things differently. I said, investment in the Chinese Super League will benefit Australians who have gone their for money, as the level of competition increases. We have seen Oscar and Hulk over there as well as quality managers. I dont pretend to understand the inner working of the CSL set up but im sure it’ll pay divedends somewhere along the line if the grassroots pathways are established properly.

                Not at this point, but i think the current side has the potential, perhaps. We are still a young side.

              • August 13th 2017 @ 8:11pm
                Swampy said | August 13th 2017 @ 8:11pm | ! Report

                I’m suggesting the level of competition isn’t that good bar two or three outstanding imports on each team.

                And might I add the 05/06 roos were not particularly old – they were of prime age – most in mid to late 20’s.

                While Christian hasn’t made much of an argument, rather just stated opinions (it is an opinion sites after all) no one smashing him has made a strong and compelling counter argument either.

                I see that someone pointed out there were x amount of Aussie’s making their way in Europe currently but they failed to check how many were in Europe during our golden generation – worth checking I’d have thought, ie there are currently 120 players under 25 playing in Europe VS x number in 2005.

              • Roar Pro

                August 13th 2017 @ 10:49pm
                andresilva10 said | August 13th 2017 @ 10:49pm | ! Report

                “No one smashing him has made a strong and compelling counter argument”

                That’s actually spot on

              • August 14th 2017 @ 6:23am
                Gavin R said | August 14th 2017 @ 6:23am | ! Report

                I never said it was good. I said the investment in the league improves the competition. Which it does. Which is good for Australians who have gone over there. Don’t read further into my comment than whats written in front of you to discredit me.

              • August 14th 2017 @ 3:11pm
                Redondo said | August 14th 2017 @ 3:11pm | ! Report

                Swampy – in August 1985 there were less than 50 under 25 Aussies playing overseas. They were mostly playing in lower divs in England or tier 2 leagues (e.g. Scotland, Switzerland, or Asian leagues).

              • August 14th 2017 @ 3:42pm
                Redondo said | August 14th 2017 @ 3:42pm | ! Report

                Oops – That should be August 2005

          • Roar Rookie

            August 13th 2017 @ 5:52pm
            Luke said | August 13th 2017 @ 5:52pm | ! Report

            Mate, you’ve made your point stop. He’s just trying to contribute to a website the least you could do is refrain from calling him a “dummy” and telling him he needs his head scanned

            Almost EVERY SINGLE thing he’s written you feel the need to comment on. It’s clear you don’t like the author and whilst you do have a point that his article hasn’t been explained enough you are stating it in an aggressive provocative way which is obviously wrong.

            You’ve made your point, the article needs work. Done. Stop

            • Roar Pro

              August 13th 2017 @ 5:58pm
              andresilva10 said | August 13th 2017 @ 5:58pm | ! Report

              Well said Luke

              Now that’s constructive feedback

            • August 13th 2017 @ 6:05pm
              platypusFC said | August 13th 2017 @ 6:05pm | ! Report

              Brilliant. Luke just told you your article is incompetent. And you are frothing over that.

              • Roar Pro

                August 13th 2017 @ 6:31pm
                andresilva10 said | August 13th 2017 @ 6:31pm | ! Report

                It’s called contrsuctive feedback, as I said before.

                I respect his opinion. Yours…not so much

    • August 13th 2017 @ 5:34pm
      alexandriablues said | August 13th 2017 @ 5:34pm | ! Report

      Christian, you are telling us that quality of Australian football is going down. Because we do not have players starting at top European clubs.

      “The overall standard in Asia has decreased over the years, Japan are a perfect example of that”

      And now you say this. Japan’s quality is also decreasing.

      But did you know which Japanese players are first team players in Europe?

      Shinji Kagawa (Dortmund)
      Yuya Osaka (Koln)
      Yoshinori Muto (Mainz)
      Makoto Hasebe (Frankfurt)
      Gotoku Sakai (Hamburg)

      Hiroki Sakai (Marseilles)

      Takashi Inui (Eibar)
      Gaku Shibasaki (Getafe)

      Yuya Kubo (Gent)
      Ritsu Doan (Groningen)

      Yuto Nagatomo (Inter)

      Takumi Minamino (Salzburg)

      Shinji Okazaki (Leicester)

      So by your logic, should the quality of Japanese football be on the rise? The names provided play week in week out in top European leagues!

      • Roar Pro

        August 13th 2017 @ 7:21pm
        andresilva10 said | August 13th 2017 @ 7:21pm | ! Report

        Again, are they playing regular football?

        It’s all good searching these names up on Wikipedia, but what’s the point if they aren’t playing ?

        • August 13th 2017 @ 7:36pm
          Gavin said | August 13th 2017 @ 7:36pm | ! Report

          Kagawa: 21 games
          Osaka: 31 games
          Muto: 18 games
          Hasebe: 22 games
          G. Sakai: 33 games
          H. Sakai: 35 games

          Shall I continue?

          • August 13th 2017 @ 7:56pm
            Gavin R said | August 13th 2017 @ 7:56pm | ! Report

            This was all last season by the way

        • August 13th 2017 @ 7:46pm
          Al-Shazahd said | August 13th 2017 @ 7:46pm | ! Report

          The above players on that list are first team regulars at their club. They play every weekend. Week in week out.

          Google the names. Look at their playing statistics.

          The only two players who do not play regularly on that list are Yuto Nagatomo (though an impressive 155 matches over 6 seasons at a high turnover club) and Ritsu Doan who was signed to Groningen last month.

          Every other player is a REGULAR!

        • August 13th 2017 @ 8:02pm
          alexandriablues said | August 13th 2017 @ 8:02pm | ! Report

          “It’s all good searching these names up on Wikipedia, but what’s the point if they aren’t playing ?”

          As an enthusiastic fan of Japanese football, I closely follow all the players I mentioned above.

          Therefore, it was not just “simply looking up players at Wikipedia”. Any observer of the Bundesliga would tell you all those Japanese players are important first team players at their respective clubs.

          Like I said (and Gavin has told you) the players are all regulars. Simple. Please understand this and get that through your head.

        • August 13th 2017 @ 8:12pm
          Al-Shazahd said | August 13th 2017 @ 8:12pm | ! Report

          Far out now playing the “dumb” card.

          Google the names. Read their season statistics. Numbers never lie.

        • August 13th 2017 @ 8:14pm
          Al-Shazahd said | August 13th 2017 @ 8:14pm | ! Report

          Alex posted in a respectful manner. Made logical reasoning. Backed with numbers.

          Yet you choose to use a sarcastic tone and treat this guy like an idiot.

        • August 13th 2017 @ 10:31pm
          platypusFC said | August 13th 2017 @ 10:31pm | ! Report

          Hello Christian? Are you still there?

          There are a dozen Japanese players listed above. They all played many many games last season as first team players.

          Care to respond? Or have you realised your mistake? Oops.

          • Roar Pro

            August 13th 2017 @ 10:54pm
            andresilva10 said | August 13th 2017 @ 10:54pm | ! Report

            That’s great that they’re getting first team football. Now that just highlights my point of Australia going backwards if we can only find 2 regulars in Europes top five leagues…

            Japan aren’t as strong as they used to be but still have six players starting in Germany, so imagine the position we are in…

            • August 13th 2017 @ 10:59pm
              greenbridge1930 said | August 13th 2017 @ 10:59pm | ! Report

              “Japan aren’t as strong as they used to be but still have six players starting in Germany, so imagine the position we are in…”

              Why are they not as strong as they used to be?

              With your arguments (About the number of players in European clubs = Quality of the national team), Japan are strong as ever.

              Never before has Japan had so many players starting every weekend across the big four leagues of Europe. Never.

              • Roar Pro

                August 13th 2017 @ 11:15pm
                andresilva10 said | August 13th 2017 @ 11:15pm | ! Report

                Japan are not feared as they once were because star players such as Honda and Okazaki are not playing regularly. Where are the Nakamura’s, Endo’s and Ono’s being produced?

                With our potential, we should be first in our World Cup qualifying group, but the lack of talent shows in the end

              • August 14th 2017 @ 7:49am
                greenbridge1930 said | August 14th 2017 @ 7:49am | ! Report

                ” Okazaki are not playing regularly”

                You are mentally not there are you?

                Correct me if I’m wrong but Okazaki played 40+ games in all competitions for Leicester City last season. Plus won a English Premiership before that. Not bad.

                “With our potential, we should be first in our World Cup qualifying group, but the lack of talent shows in the end”

                Potential potential potential. Blah blah blah. Every country has potential. Every country has potential to win their world cup group.

                Shut up with your hypotheticals and look at the facts.

                You say we lack talent yet we have potential? Did you get dropped as a child?

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                August 14th 2017 @ 9:22am
                andresilva10 said | August 14th 2017 @ 9:22am | ! Report

                Okazaki was a bench player for Leicester in their title win and last season he did start more games but a lot were off the bench too

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                August 14th 2017 @ 9:23am
                andresilva10 said | August 14th 2017 @ 9:23am | ! Report

                We have potential to develop better players.

                This squad is no where what it was in 06 and it’s what we should be aiming to become

              • August 14th 2017 @ 7:57am
                platypusFC said | August 14th 2017 @ 7:57am | ! Report

                “Where are the Nakamura’s, Endo’s and Ono’s being produced? ”

                THE PLAYERS HAVE ALREADY BEEN NAMED. LOOK AT THE COMMENTS. ARE YOU THAT BLIND AND DUMB.

                Gaku Shibasaki (Spain). Takashi Inui (Spain), Yuki Kobayashi (Holland). Daichi Kamada (Germany). Ristu Doan (Holland). The U-19 NT which won the AFC Championships last year.

              • August 14th 2017 @ 9:34am
                platypusFC said | August 14th 2017 @ 9:34am | ! Report

                Shinji Okakaki in 2016/2017 in EPL
                1578 minutes in 30 appearances = 53 minutes per game

                Shinji Okakaki in 2016/2017 in CL
                7 appearances, 2 starting

                Shinji Okazaki in 2015/2016 in EPL
                2074 minutes in 36 appearances = 58 minutes per game

                He is playing regular football.

        • August 13th 2017 @ 10:51pm
          greenbridge1930 said | August 13th 2017 @ 10:51pm | ! Report

          Yuya Osako, Makoto Hasebe, Gotoku Sakai, Hiroki Sakai, Shinji Kagawa, Genki Haraguchi, Yuya Kubo, Takashi Inui, Yuki Kobayashi, Takuma Asano, Shinji Okazaki, Maya Yoshida, Takuma Minamino

          All these players were involved in 30+ league matches last year in Germany, France, England, Spain, Austria and The Netherlands. Quite a few goals too. Nearly all of them as starters.

          • August 13th 2017 @ 10:53pm
            greenbridge1930 said | August 13th 2017 @ 10:53pm | ! Report

            “Again, are they playing regular football?”

            Yes.

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