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Pies continue to play waiting game on Nathan Buckley

By Jason Phelan, Jason Phelan is a Roar Guru

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    Collingwood president Eddie McGuire says the AFL club’s board has still not decided whether Nathan Buckley will coach the Magpies next season.

    McGuire spoke to reporters after a board meeting on Tuesday night where football boss Geoff Walsh tabled his preliminary report after his far-reaching review of the football department.

    McGuire and his board members need time to digest the report’s findings, which will mean Buckley will coach the side against Melbourne on Saturday not knowing if he will keep his job.

    “We haven’t come to a position yet,” McGuire replied when asked about Buckley’s tenure.

    “Seriously, there is nothing tricky about this. We’ve had a board meeting, Geoff Walsh tabled his preliminary document that has given us some thoughts to go away with.

    “We’ll consider it now then come back and make our decisions.”

    Buckley is about to come off contract and his future has been one of this season’s major stories.

    He has been at the helm for six years and this is the fourth season in a row the Pies have missed the finals.

    They are 13th with eight wins and end their season against the Demons on Saturday at the MCG.

    Buckley has handled himself with aplomb despite the ongoing scrutiny and uncertainty.

    The report from Walsh is one of three internal reviews at the underperforming club and McGuire defended the amount of time it has taken for the review to be completed.

    “It’s not just one decision, it’s trying to come up with a template for what the future of the Collingwood Football Club is,” he said.

    “So everything is at stake at our football club, it’s a very serious document, that’s why we have taken a long time and a lot of consideration to get to this point.

    “There’s been no stone left unturned. Now we’ll go and digest that and make a considered decision.”

    There have been several reports in recent weeks that the club is leaning towards a scenario similar to the ones that played out at Richmond last year and Geelong in 2006.

    Changes were made after exhaustive reviews but under-pressure coaches Damien Hardwick and Mark Thompson survived and went on to enjoy much-improved seasons – the Tigers are currently fourth and the Cats won the 2007 flag.

    Regardless of whether Buckley stays, a shake-up of Collingwood’s football department is inevitable.

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    • August 23rd 2017 @ 7:52am
      Peter the Scribe said | August 23rd 2017 @ 7:52am | ! Report

      Interesting to hear Grant Thomas speak glowingly on Nathan Buckley. “The makings of a 20 year coach, an exceptional leader”….Thomas believes Buckley should be re-signed immediately but given more mentoring support around him. So when Buckley is granted a 2 year deal who will be his appointed in club mentor? Not Eade surely returning to a Director of Coaching role he left to join the Suns? Grant Thomas himself would be left field. Would not surprise in any way to find another bloke in the role as the assistant coach fall out begins post final game…a bloke called Mick Malthouse.

      • August 23rd 2017 @ 12:01pm
        Peter the Scribe said | August 23rd 2017 @ 12:01pm | ! Report

        And you Reservoir refuse to name your team you follow which rules you out my making any comment in my books…you will have a crack at all other teams but won;t show your hand in case your team you follow cannot stand the heat.

        • August 23rd 2017 @ 12:33pm
          Reservoir Animal said | August 23rd 2017 @ 12:33pm | ! Report

          Peter, why does it matter who I go for? Is it because only Collingwood fans should be allowed to post on this page?

        • August 23rd 2017 @ 12:52pm
          Bretto said | August 23rd 2017 @ 12:52pm | ! Report

          Peter – I’ve been supporting Collingwood for over 40 years, and I think you’re a joke too. (PtS response about not being a true supporter, etc, etc.)

          • August 23rd 2017 @ 1:38pm
            Peter the Scribe said | August 23rd 2017 @ 1:38pm | ! Report

            Bretto let me see…..we have 75,879 members… happy to lose you mate and become 75,878…don’t bang the door on your way to the Tiges!

            • August 23rd 2017 @ 1:47pm
              Reservoir Animal said | August 23rd 2017 @ 1:47pm | ! Report

              Members are just customers anyway. Or so said Eddie a number of years ago.

            • August 24th 2017 @ 7:41pm
              Kane said | August 24th 2017 @ 7:41pm | ! Report

              Look above Peter the Scribe, make that 75,877. Pieman has gone too if ur mate is re-appointed. That’s about 10 in 3 days that are not signing up again just on this forum. Imagine what the numbers will be if you mathematically compare them to members who don’t comment on the Roar!! It looks to me that you are on ur lonesome with ur ideals and thoughts.

      • August 23rd 2017 @ 5:19pm
        truetigerfan said | August 23rd 2017 @ 5:19pm | ! Report

        Well Patricia . . . I mean Peter. Do you really think Mick would go back, surely not?

    • August 23rd 2017 @ 9:37am
      The Fatman said | August 23rd 2017 @ 9:37am | ! Report

      Anyone else fear the fix is on with these reviews?

      I should say review because only Walsh will be looking at the football department and I hardly feel he’s an independent voice when forming a view on Buckley and his coaching.

      Murphy wouldn’t be qualified to do it either given his background isn’t in football administration but couldn’t we have appointed someone from outside the club who does like Dunstall for example?

      I’m concerned that just like the AFL appointed tribunal ultimately found Essendon not guilty the best way to produce the ace up your sleeve, to achieve the outcome you desire, is to stack the deck from the start.

      The handover killed us behind the scenes.

      I hope Buckley walks. This debacle is nearly as bad as the collywobbles. God when we buried that one it was such a relief!

      Can I use the analogy of the Australian Test cricket team that regardless of whether Buckley keeps his job or not, can we please draft a promising KPP, or two and devote the time and energies to developing these players, rather than keep recruiting recycled players. The Australian Test cricket team keep picking Ashlen Agar. Why I have no idea since he no more spins the ball now than when he was first picked. Similarly, if we continue going for the quick fix buying players under free agency (who other clubs are happy to offload), or rookie some obscure KPP who is an overgrown mid who we think we can turn into a Wayne Carey, it doesn’t matter who coaches Collingwood next year, because sadly, we’re not going to get any better until we develop a spine down the middle of the field.

      Possibly the worst thing that Collingwood does is win a premiership…

      Think about it.

      1958 – win the greatest premiership ever! Follow up in 1960 with the worst performance in a grand final ever. Next we elect Sherrin, and spend the next 30 years getting near misses in grand finals, and of course 1980…

      1990 win the drought breaker with professional coach Leigh Matthews, from a club with a lot of success. It seems easy, like riding a bike, but 19 years later we’re still waiting, looking on at the grand final. Instead of getting another high profile coach we appoint favourite son Tony Shaw, with inevitable results.

      2010 coach and president in harmony like Stevie Wonder and Paul McCartney. We win the flag with a professional coach, and then stuff up the following year. We then appoint favourite son Nathan Buckley as coach for no other reason than he is favourite son Nathan Buckley. 7 pointless years later here we are…

      Is there a pattern here. You betcha. But, why is it so??

      Is it because we are Wile E Coyote? We prefer to chase our Road Runner rather than catch it. We prefer 7 years of anvils and rocks falling on our heads rather than face up to the truth – it ain’t going to happen. You have seen the cartoon where he catches the Road Runner (premiership). He has no purpose left in his life and becomes an evangelist…

      So we do everything we can to go back to Wile E Coyote mode, by stuffing things up.

      Buckley, and this pointless review are just more packages from ACME, which promise success, but just give us more pain and suffering.

      “It’s also our club – these people have been paid big $$ (probably a lot more than most members will ever earn) – the club’s on field performance in its core business is disgraceful and depressing. If the Emperor is more worried about the careers of people who aren’t up to it than he is about the competitiveness of the team then he has the wrong end of the stick. Despite all the bluster and “brand” bullshit, I’m not sure the Emperor gets it.”

      I agree and also on a thread -who should Buckley mentor:

      If we come out of this review with Buckley needing someone to hold his hand and tell him it’s all going to be ok..

      Membership will be cancelled.

      6 year coach needing a mentor.. please..

      This is what happens when you pick a club legend to coach without them doing a 5+ year apprenticeship at another club.

      Going to be a very interesting 4-6 weeks coming up.

      • August 23rd 2017 @ 10:35am
        Burkey said | August 23rd 2017 @ 10:35am | ! Report

        I’m a Bombers fan Fatman but I actually think you should stick with Bucks. Not for the childish reasons some claim in here in that they want you to stay bad so want Buckley reappointed. My view as an impartial is you have invested 6 years in the bloke and when you hear him talk footy, he is incredibly smart. he knows the game. Just like a raw young ruckman, you don’t invest and do the hard yards and then hand him over to someone else (North for instance when Scott goes to the Suns). I agree with the Buckley and membership article yesterday and with my own Bombers how apt, the past is the past stop dwelling on it. Fact is he is a better coach now than 6 years ago, the players seem to love him…..get an older mentor in the club to take some heat and offer some wisdom and he will thrive. My Bombers will fly next year but I also believe your Pies will too. Any coach looking at the bottom half of the 8 would love a crack at the pies with that midfield, Darcy Moore is a player, De Goey too….time for the Pies to stick Fat with Bucks and reap the rewards just like Geelong did in 2006-2007 with Bomber Thomson and it got them a flag.

        While I’m at it Fatman decease with the membership threats. Waste of breath. Do you think your club will suffer with your family or dozen mates cancelling when they have what 75,000 members and 1.5 million supporters? As Brereton says members who threaten clubs or send in cut up memberships are quite pathetic and if they feel that way, simply leave your club. Bombers fans have stuck by the club through way worse than what your pies have had to put up with and we are still top 4 in memberships.

        • August 24th 2017 @ 10:08am
          Burkey said | August 24th 2017 @ 10:08am | ! Report

          You really think I’d pretend to be a Bombers fan after the past few years bud?

    • August 23rd 2017 @ 9:40am
      Carltonian said | August 23rd 2017 @ 9:40am | ! Report

      He must be gone if they are holding out at Pieland. They would have done something by now otherwise and no other club would approach Buckley.

      A beating in the final match of the season and he is gone.

      • August 24th 2017 @ 9:45am
        Mattyb said | August 24th 2017 @ 9:45am | ! Report

        Carltonian,or Collingwood have offered Buckley one year and he wants two?

    • August 23rd 2017 @ 9:58am
      Birdman said | August 23rd 2017 @ 9:58am | ! Report

      you can bet the house on an extension for Buckley following a cull of assistants and other key footy dept staff who will carry the can for the favourite son – the only thing to determine is the length of the next contract.

      • August 23rd 2017 @ 10:06am
        GJ said | August 23rd 2017 @ 10:06am | ! Report

        Be interesting to see if Sanderson survives the cull

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        August 23rd 2017 @ 10:14am
        Cat said | August 23rd 2017 @ 10:14am | ! Report

        20 years is my hope.

        • Roar Guru

          August 23rd 2017 @ 2:18pm
          Cat said | August 23rd 2017 @ 2:18pm | ! Report

          Yep, that’s right, ancient history. How about more modern history. Like 2011. Or maybe the whole history of the AFL. Geelong 3 flags, Collingwood 2. Since 1990, in the 27 years the AFL has existed, Collingwood have played finals 13 times. Geelong 19.

          Rooting for other teams because your own is not even close to good enough is the bastion of the desperate.

          • August 23rd 2017 @ 3:30pm
            Patricia said | August 23rd 2017 @ 3:30pm | ! Report

            I find it funny you young folk who choose to only quote the “AFL” stats when it serves your argument and then swap and change back when it suits other arguments…Cat you need to look at all the flags since the inception of the competition where you will find Essendon, Hawthorn and Collingwood way ahead of your Cats flags. I guess because you didn’t win one for 43 years you choose to ignore that era which is a disservice to the great Polly Farmer, Sam Newman and other great servnats of your club. Mr Freud would say the cats have an inferiority complex.

            • Roar Guru

              August 23rd 2017 @ 3:52pm
              Cat said | August 23rd 2017 @ 3:52pm | ! Report

              So if we’re talking all the flags since footballs inception, why do we not include the old VFA flags?

              The only people who cling to ancient history are those whose modern, relevant history falls flat. Does winning a flag that no one on this forum was alive to see won actually mean a thing? No, it doesn’t. Does winning a flag in 9, 10 or even 12 team competitions have any relevance to modern day? No, they don’t. Does winning a flag before there was equalisation, salary cap and drafting to give all clubs a fairly even chance relevant? Again no.

              You think you are so smart but but keep saying 43 years like it means anything. It doesn’t.

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            August 23rd 2017 @ 4:29pm
            Cat said | August 23rd 2017 @ 4:29pm | ! Report

            The only one being defensive is you Patricia. 11 of your 15 flags came from ’36 or earlier. The reason I picked 1990 is it is when the AFL started. That is the league that is relevant NOW! There are many people on this forum that complain about VFL records being included because about half the teams in modern AFL didn’t even exist then. Is it fair to WCE or Freo, Adelaide, Port Adelaide or any of the other expansion sides to include records from a league they weren’t part of? That is the exact reason why Collingwood has always been against VFA records being included. It was a different league. Collingwood was late to the party and didn’t exist without pioneering clubs like Geelong doing the hard work for decades before the Pies were dreamt of. Either include all flags a club has won in their entire existence or find a a demarcation line that is fair, like the founding of the AFL.

      • August 23rd 2017 @ 10:42am
        Peter the Scribe said | August 23rd 2017 @ 10:42am | ! Report

        Birdman I think this is an historic moment, the first time we agree. Buckley will get two years and only Sanderson and Gotch will survive. Burns, Rocca, Harvey, Rivers are gone. Hine will be on notice too.

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      August 23rd 2017 @ 12:29pm
      anon said | August 23rd 2017 @ 12:29pm | ! Report

      Have to laugh at the charade of this “review”.

      All to create a smokescreen so that Eddie doesn’t have to take responsibility for giving Bucks the flick. He can say the “review” recommended that Collingwood let Buckley go.

      Plus, if they snare Ross Lyon they can say we never dealing behind Buckley and Fremantle’s backs because “the review” was still underway at that stage.

      LOL

      • August 23rd 2017 @ 1:31pm
        Peter the Scribe said | August 23rd 2017 @ 1:31pm | ! Report

        Anon…while Bucks Pies minus 8 of their starting 22 nearly knocked over the top 4 Cats and recently drew with the most likely 2017 premiers the Crows….Freo has been belted by 104 points consecutively….you can keep him thanks mate!

        • Roar Guru

          August 23rd 2017 @ 3:53pm
          Cat said | August 23rd 2017 @ 3:53pm | ! Report

          Keep hanging your hat on injury excuses and ‘nearly’ good enough. Real teams will be busy actually winning and playing actual finals.

          • Roar Guru

            August 24th 2017 @ 12:05pm
            Col from Brissie said | August 24th 2017 @ 12:05pm | ! Report

            I thought you didn’t like honorable losses PTS.

      • August 23rd 2017 @ 5:08pm
        Johnno said | August 23rd 2017 @ 5:08pm | ! Report

        maybe the opposite…..review forms the basis in extending Buckleys contract…..cause the review said so.

        • Roar Pro

          August 23rd 2017 @ 6:12pm
          anon said | August 23rd 2017 @ 6:12pm | ! Report

          Eddie’s body language after the meeting last night suggested that Buckley is GAWN.

          • August 23rd 2017 @ 11:49pm
            peter chrisp said | August 23rd 2017 @ 11:49pm | ! Report

            Excellent comment our last game this weekend to Melbourne will be the decider? If we lose by 100 points uhh you would think so he will be gawn?

    • August 24th 2017 @ 11:44am
      gungadin said | August 24th 2017 @ 11:44am | ! Report

      Peter the Scribe, you have demonstrated a complete lack of objectivity. Nathan Buckley has been in charge of the team and demonstrated his lack of abilty. Twice the team has been thrashed the first game of the season. Having a draw after leading by 50 points. Nathan set the bar for his success this year, Nathan set the bar.

      If Eddie is the dictator at Collingwood, then he should be removed.

      • August 24th 2017 @ 1:49pm
        truetigerfan said | August 24th 2017 @ 1:49pm | ! Report

        You are,indeed, right Gungadin. I’d go even further. If Buckley is a man of his word he’d walk. Putting all this messy business to rest. Guess egos get in the way sometimes!

        • August 24th 2017 @ 7:33pm
          Kane said | August 24th 2017 @ 7:33pm | ! Report

          I guess Buckley isn’t a man of his word then (surprise surprise) because he said today that he’s gunning for another contract. U are correct Tigerman, ego’s do get in the way. What do you expect tho when the biggest ego in footy is the President of the same club that the 2nd biggest ego is the coach of.

          • August 25th 2017 @ 1:59pm
            Peter the Scribe said | August 25th 2017 @ 1:59pm | ! Report

            Actually Kane….he was asked a question by a reporter at the end of last season..it was something like “Would you expect to be given another contract if the club don’t make finals in 2017”? His answer? “Absolutely not”. Don’t let the truth get in the way of your argument though. He never gave his word to walk away, he just answered a reporters question.

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