Wallabies DIY player ratings vs Argentina: The results

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    The results are in! Yesterday, we asked you to rate the Wallabies side that took to the field against Argentina, and now we’ve added up the data from all of our responders to bring you our DIY player ratings from the Test.

    Australia got a 17-point win over the home side but none of the players in the side earned phenonmenally high ratings. Reece Hodge finished on top with an average rating of 7.62, with Tatafu Polota-Nau and Will Genia close behind.

    The Wallabies didn’t have any obvious weak links, with all of the starting players rating at least a five or better. Tevita Kuridrani, with a 5.32, was our lowest-rated starter, but not by any great margin.

    Check out the full results below, and let us know what you think in the comments.

    1. Scott Sio
    Average rating: 5.89
    Most common rating: 6 (52 per cent)

    2. Tatafu Polota-Nau
    Average rating: 7.35
    Most common rating: 8 (31 per cent)

    3. Sekope Kepu
    Average rating: 6.17
    Most common rating: 6 (41 per cent)

    4. Izack Rodda
    Average rating: 5.84
    Most common rating: 6 (49 per cent)

    5. Adam Coleman
    Average rating: 6.53
    Most common rating: 7 (37 per cent)

    6. Jack Dempsey
    Average rating: 7.15
    Most common rating: 7 (39 per cent)

    7. Michael Hooper
    Average rating: 6.70
    Most common rating: 7 (35 per cent)

    8. Sean McMahon
    Average rating: 6.18
    Most common rating: 7 (41 per cent)

    9. Will Genia
    Average rating: 7.33
    Most common rating: 8 (42 per cent)

    10. Bernard Foley
    Average rating: 5.73
    Most common rating: 6 (35 per cent)

    11. Reece Hodge
    Average rating: 7.62
    Most common rating: 8 (45 per cent)

    12. Kurtley Beale
    Average rating: 5.64
    Most common rating: 6 (34 per cent)

    13. Tevita Kuridrani
    Average rating: 5.32
    Most common rating: 5 (35 per cent)

    14. Marika Koroibete
    Average rating: 7.07
    Most common rating: 7 (47 per cent)

    15. Israel Folau
    Average rating: 5.65
    Most common rating: 6 (36 per cent)

    16. Stephen Moore
    Average rating: 4.66
    Most common rating: 5 (34 per cent)

    17. Tetera Faulkner
    Average rating: 4.68
    Most common rating: 5 (44 per cent)

    18. Allan Alaalatoa
    Average rating: 4.97
    Most common rating: 5 (47 per cent)

    19. Rob Simmons
    Average rating: 4.63
    Most common rating: 5 (40 per cent)

    20. Lukhan Tui
    Average rating: 5.69
    Most common rating: 6 (35 per cent)

    21. Nick Phipps
    Average rating: 4.47
    Most common rating: 5 (36 per cent)

    22. Samu Kerevi
    Average rating: 5.35
    Most common rating: 5 (30 per cent)

    23. Henry Speight
    Average rating: 4.56
    Most common rating: 5 (38 per cent)

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    The Crowd Says (27)

    • October 9th 2017 @ 12:34pm
      Dave_S said | October 9th 2017 @ 12:34pm | ! Report

      Looks about right:

      Reece Hodge
      Average rating: 7.62

      Tatafu Polota-Nau
      Average rating: 7.35

      Will Genia
      Average rating: 7.33

      Jack Dempsey
      Average rating: 7.15

      Marika Koroibete
      Average rating: 7.07

      Michael Hooper
      Average rating: 6.70

      Adam Coleman
      Average rating: 6.53

      A bit low for:

      Israel Folau
      Average rating: 5.65

      Hodge and Koro took up a bit more workload, but Izzy still regularly made good post-contact metres

      • October 9th 2017 @ 1:48pm
        The Slow Eater said | October 9th 2017 @ 1:48pm | ! Report

        Thought Dempsey could have been a bit higher. He had a great game.

      • October 9th 2017 @ 5:25pm
        ajg said | October 9th 2017 @ 5:25pm | ! Report

        I agree that Izzy’s post-contact meters were pretty great, but that was about it. And the Aussie gameplan has big expectations for him to not only break the gain line but scythe through. I thought the Argies defended against him really well. They went in with really low tackles that wrapped up his ankles and then a second player prevented the offload

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      October 9th 2017 @ 1:01pm
      Paul D said | October 9th 2017 @ 1:01pm | ! Report

      I think TK’s grade is a bit generous. Not his best defensive effort and the pass to Speight that bombed a try near the end was terrible. Possibly a bit generous on all Props too by about 0.5-1.0.

      Coleman a little over rated for what was one of his quieter games and Rodda a little underrated. I didn’t think there was much between the two on the day

      • October 9th 2017 @ 1:07pm
        Dave_S said | October 9th 2017 @ 1:07pm | ! Report

        Yeah might be right on the tight 5, I always find it harder to judge, I think you have to be in the thick of it with them to truly appreciate their contributions.

      • October 9th 2017 @ 3:16pm
        Old One Eye said | October 9th 2017 @ 3:16pm | ! Report

        Agree, I thought Rodda was a little better than he scored and Coleman a little worse. A couple of other scores feel a bit more as if they are based on reputation rather than observation but only minor adjustments required.

    • October 9th 2017 @ 1:34pm
      Chris R said | October 9th 2017 @ 1:34pm | ! Report

      Good to see a 6 finally do what he’s meant to do, I’d like to say hooper played well, but I thought he was quiet, just don’t know if he’s the right man as captain. I recently read Paul Roos book and he talks about the importance of players being able to play their position, and not go chasing statistics, if not it puts too much pressure on other players to cover for them.

      • Roar Guru

        October 9th 2017 @ 4:39pm
        jeznez said | October 9th 2017 @ 4:39pm | ! Report

        I thought Hooper was excellent, his protection on our ruck ball was excellent.

        Dempsey made more runs but lacked urgency when we didn’t have the ball and while better than Hanigan struggled to make his cleanouts.

        Was the tight five and Hooper that gave us any continuity at all.

        • October 9th 2017 @ 4:49pm
          Fionn said | October 9th 2017 @ 4:49pm | ! Report

          Agreed, jeznez. Well said.

        • October 9th 2017 @ 7:28pm
          Chris R said | October 9th 2017 @ 7:28pm | ! Report

          Must’ve watched a different game, when he hits he bounced not the opposition being flattened like he was doing 12 months ago

          • Roar Guru

            October 9th 2017 @ 9:00pm
            jeznez said | October 9th 2017 @ 9:00pm | ! Report

            I’ve been highly critical of his ineffective cleanouts in the past. He was very good in that area this week. A vast improvement by him and the tight five in this area since the first draw against SA where our ruck protection was abysmal.

            • Roar Guru

              October 10th 2017 @ 12:42am
              Timbo (L) said | October 10th 2017 @ 12:42am | ! Report

              I too have been critical, But I saw him make 2 noteworthy clean outs.
              So I must give credit where it is due.

              Not sure what a normal count for a 7 Looks like. Todd, Cane and Kolisi must have collectively got through 20 in their game.

    • October 9th 2017 @ 2:20pm
      Davo said | October 9th 2017 @ 2:20pm | ! Report

      A bit harsh on Moore I thought. We all know he’s on the way out, but that was one of his best performances for a while, albeit as a replacement.

      Agree that Kuridrani should be lowest of the starters. Neither he nor Kerevi look like standouts at 13. With DHP and Naivalu to come back as wing options, and Koroibete seemingly locked into one wing now, I’d love to see Hodge given a go as outside centre. Seems very much in the mould of Mortlock and AAC.

      • October 9th 2017 @ 2:56pm
        Gepetto said | October 9th 2017 @ 2:56pm | ! Report

        The Wallabies took control when Moore and Simmons came on. Speight was not really required.

    • October 9th 2017 @ 2:24pm
      HandsOffBlack7 said | October 9th 2017 @ 2:24pm | ! Report

      Hard to argue these ratings.

      Makes you wonder why Cheika persisted with Moore for so long!? TPN has been very good. I’m actually wondering why Moore is in the 23. He is only taking experience away from the next hooker to come into the fold. Surely Bledisloe 3 will be his farewell?

      Dempsey was very good. Much more involved than what Hanigan ever was – Hanigan will be good, but he’s been found out in the test matches IMO. One for the future.

      TK and Izzy were very quiet I thought – more so TK. I thought a game like this would’ve suited them.

      What’s happened to Rory Arnold? Surely he is a better option than Simmons!?

      Any word on when Karmichael Hunt will be fit (if he isn’t already?) He was great in June, and I think he would be a better option than Kerevi for the Bench.

      Still a long way off where they need to be, but seem to be looking good. Hopefully we are within reach of the All Blacks in Game 3!

      • October 9th 2017 @ 4:23pm
        Davo said | October 9th 2017 @ 4:23pm | ! Report

        The Rory Arnold situation is quite mysterious. Seemingly he has all the right skills and physical capabilities, which suggests there may be some sort of concentration/motivation/discipline issues going on.

        • October 9th 2017 @ 8:26pm
          Rhys Bosley said | October 9th 2017 @ 8:26pm | ! Report

          Doesn’t have the motor for a test lock IMO, he can rather go like a bull at a gate for 60 then flakes, or paces himself and is ineffective. It’s a shame because he is such a huge specimen.

          • October 9th 2017 @ 8:35pm
            Fionn said | October 9th 2017 @ 8:35pm | ! Report

            Rhys, assuming that is true (I think he can play 60 mins well and then fades, you’re right there) he doesn’t need to go for the full 80 minutes, just 60. Coleman is an 80 minute player, and there is always at least one lock on the bench to come on.

            We definitely don’t need both Simmons and Rodda in the 23. Coleman-Rodda-Arnold can make up the 3 locks in the team between each other. Rodda has been okay but he just doesn’t have the impact of Arnold.

            • October 9th 2017 @ 9:59pm
              ThugbyFan said | October 9th 2017 @ 9:59pm | ! Report

              Pretty right there Fionn, you can add that L.Tui can also fill in as lock if a disaster happens and two locks go down wounded. It just means the back row would have to play the full 80 minutes, which they are all capable of doing.

              I thought Jack Dempsey went ok, I gave him a 6½. I thought it strange that he moved to #8 when L.Tui came on who played as blindside. JD still seems a bit gun-shy cleaning out the big boys from breakdowns but he tackled hard and was a dangerous runner with the ball. There was one run, about the 29th minute from memory, where he ran over the top of 1st tackler and bumped off the 2nd bloke. Now THAT’s what I wanna see a blindside/#8 do.

              I still think L.Tui should be groomed as a #8. Tui is good at #6 but a mite slow and unlikely to ever play that position as a starter, whereas he is perfect for a #8. He has a big body who loves being in the thick stuff, good runner with the ball and a fair lineout target.

              • October 9th 2017 @ 10:52pm
                Dave_S said | October 9th 2017 @ 10:52pm | ! Report

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              • October 9th 2017 @ 10:52pm
                Dave_S said | October 9th 2017 @ 10:52pm | ! Report

                yeah some good ideas there, TF

              • October 10th 2017 @ 7:37am
                Fionn said | October 10th 2017 @ 7:37am | ! Report

                ‘I still think L.Tui should be groomed as a #8. Tui is good at #6 but a mite slow and unlikely to ever play that position as a starter, whereas he is perfect for a #8. He has a big body who loves being in the thick stuff, good runner with the ball and a fair lineout target.’

                Really good points 🙂

      • October 9th 2017 @ 5:57pm
        Gaz said | October 9th 2017 @ 5:57pm | ! Report

        Yes. Selecting better options is not Cheika’s strong suit. Let him keep his head down working on coming up with a game plan.

        It will be interesting to watch NZ exploit the lack of positional nouse that all League converts have when they transition over. He’s about to be found out.

        TK played one of his best games after he was recently dropped. Time to rotate him out again?

    • October 9th 2017 @ 4:03pm
      Frank O'Keeffe said | October 9th 2017 @ 4:03pm | ! Report

      Yes. Hodge was definitely the MOTM. He has an incredibly bright future, I must say. He’s only 23.

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