Friday night Blues. A show of faith or a club on trial?

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    For years we have seen this team get it wrong. So horribly wrong that not less than two years ago they declared a full club reset and re- build.

    From one of the proudest and most successful clubs to the bottom of the ladder with one of the worst playing lists ever assembled.

    Dumped from primetime, dumped from relevance. Now two years later, 64 players have come and gone and Carlton’s well documented reset and journey is about to enter pre -season number three.

    Following the release of the 2018 AFL fixture there has been uproar from members of the media condemning the AFL’s decision to grant Carlton four primetime Friday night games. A bold call – and as the league has admitted it is a risky call – but it can come with such a cost if results don’t fall their way.

    Carlton has won 13 games in their past two seasons under Brendon Bolton. These are baby steps from the four wins that was season 2015 which saw the Blues feature on Friday night seven times and fail miserably by an average of 65 points each of those games.

    They had only one appearance on primetime in 2017 and that resulted in a 90-point mauling at the hands of Port Adelaide at Adelaide Oval. Some argue that the Blues are not worthy of Friday night fixtures and there are more deserving teams. However, for Carlton to continue working their way back to relevance and to keep rebuilding, the Friday night games could be seen as a show of faith from the AFL that they are indeed looking after their big four.

    Or is it the AFL putting the Blues on trial? Is this the AFL’s way of testing us?

    Carlton fans would expect that. After drafting a plethora of young talent and developing the list and learning the new game plan, this team’s trajectory is on the up.

    It will give them a chance to silence the bulk of the media and naysayers for good. It’s a big year for the Blues in more ways than just their fixtures.

    The Blues have gone through another summer of fixture changes. Trading away Bryce Gibbs was probably the right call in the end but will leave a whole in the middle of the ground that the Blues would be desperate for Mathew Kennedy to come in and fill.

    Armed with picks three and ten in this national draft to join the likes of Patrick Cripps, Charlie Curnow, Jacob Weitering, Sam Petrevski, Harry McKay and Jack Silvagni – the list goes on and on.

    There’s young talent galore – but the club needs to develop them into the stars we know they can be.

    Bolton knows the heat will be on if the performances don’t come. As does the president and the incoming CEO.

    The players themselves would know that they are coming to the time where they need to take the next step in their reset.

    The AFL has placed them on a platform to showcase the development and strides they are making. If it pays off and they’re ultra-competitive and maybe jag a few wins, it’s a win for the entire footy community.

    It doesn’t, well, they AFL admits it was their blue and the media get ready to do what they do best.

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    • November 3rd 2017 @ 1:07am
      Don Freo said | November 3rd 2017 @ 1:07am | ! Report

      There’s always a Friday night the missus wants to go out. This footy season we all have at least 4 Fridays we can miss.

      Happy wife, happy life.

      • November 3rd 2017 @ 2:11am
        Dexter The Hamster said | November 3rd 2017 @ 2:11am | ! Report

        I guess the rest of us will be trying to take the “missus” out on Sunday at 2:40pm….. The Freo-heavy timeslot.

        (Sorry mate, I feel a bit dirty having a crack at you, when you were having a crack at Carlton. The enemy of my enemy is my friend, and all that!!!)

        • November 3rd 2017 @ 9:58am
          Don Freo said | November 3rd 2017 @ 9:58am | ! Report

          Once the line has been used, it has no legs the second time around.

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          November 3rd 2017 @ 10:38am
          Col from Brissie said | November 3rd 2017 @ 10:38am | ! Report

          Dexter, I actually find that the best time to get the mower out.

    • November 3rd 2017 @ 2:04am
      Dexter The Hamster said | November 3rd 2017 @ 2:04am | ! Report

      “….the list goes on and on”.

      I think the “list” stopped a name or two earlier. 🙂 🙂

    • November 3rd 2017 @ 2:18am
      Mattyb said | November 3rd 2017 @ 2:18am | ! Report

      A pretty accurate summation of a pretty troubling scenario of Carlton again being gifted Friday night games before far more deserving sides.
      Like you’ve said though if Carlton again embarrass themselves on the big stage or again go backwards the heat will certainly rise on the coach and president,especially if membership figures remain the same.
      44 games now into the promised 66 game rebuild,time has come for less talk,less thin skinned defence and a proper game plan and consistent onfield performances.
      Carltons a club that’s generally patronised these days since becoming irrelevant,but if they fail during these gifted Friday fixtures there will be some pretty upset footy fans right across the nation.

      • November 3rd 2017 @ 7:33am
        Kane said | November 3rd 2017 @ 7:33am | ! Report

        Get over youself mattyb, your hatred and having to have your say of all things Carlton is really starting to embarrass yourself. You might want to spend a bit more time worrying about your own club then talk about ours.

        • November 3rd 2017 @ 9:32am
          Macca said | November 3rd 2017 @ 9:32am | ! Report

          Hey Kane -in an attempt to get this conversation on to something interesting I was interested in your thoughts on this;

          Given the blues have 6 spots open on their senior list (after taking Mullett) and only 4 draft picks (3, 10, 30 & 70 something) with the last one possibly being a pass – how do you see the blues filling the list?

          I am thinking they will grab Hartung & Shaw (from the Suns) and I wouldn’t be surprised to see Boekhorst back on wither the senior or rookie list. They might upgrade Alex Silvagni to the senior list and take an extra rookie.

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            November 3rd 2017 @ 10:49am
            Col from Brissie said | November 3rd 2017 @ 10:49am | ! Report

            Macca, the Blues certainly had some interest in Shaw so it would not surprise me to see them pick him up. Hartung is an interesting one as Bolts will certainly have inside knowledge on his abilities. I think he would be a good pickup for free. He certainly has pace and wins a lot of the ball. The only knocks against him that I know are his kicking and tackling which can always be improved.

            • November 3rd 2017 @ 10:56am
              Macca said | November 3rd 2017 @ 10:56am | ! Report

              Col – On Hartung if his disposal could be improved he is the exact player Bolton is looing for to move his game into the next phase, quick with elite endurance.

              He may not be a long term solution but with something like 36 games for the hawks in the last 2 years alone he could definitely play a role in the short term and at 22 still has plenty of upside.

              What did you think of getting Mullett – I think they might look to use him as Tuohy replacement which would free Docherty and/or Williamson to play higher up the ground.

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                November 3rd 2017 @ 11:10am
                Col from Brissie said | November 3rd 2017 @ 11:10am | ! Report

                Agree Macca, I can see Docherty playing a lot more midfield time next season.

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          November 3rd 2017 @ 10:41am
          Col from Brissie said | November 3rd 2017 @ 10:41am | ! Report

          Starting is the wrong word Kane. Continuing is the correct word to use.

      • November 3rd 2017 @ 8:47am
        Macca said | November 3rd 2017 @ 8:47am | ! Report

        “44 games now into the promised 66 game rebuild” We were promised a 5 year rebuild – 5 times 22 is 110 not 66.

        “but if they fail during these gifted Friday fixtures there will be some pretty upset footy fans right across the nation” perhaps those fans should get a life and not get upset simply because a game of footy wasn’t as good as they hoped.

        • November 3rd 2017 @ 9:11am
          Peter the Scribe said | November 3rd 2017 @ 9:11am | ! Report

          Macca it’s not about just Carlton it is the health of the competition, sponsorship, future media rights, etc. Watching your side play under Bolton is excruciating. It is negative, repeat pack mawling football and the only interest is if your own team happens to be belting you. The AFL nearly made rule changes because of Paul Roos and Eade and they may need to step in next year if Bolton keeps this up.

          • November 3rd 2017 @ 10:23am
            Macca said | November 3rd 2017 @ 10:23am | ! Report

            ” It is negative, repeat pack mawling football” Peter, if that’s what you thinks the blues football is you clearly don’t watch the blues play.

            They ranked last for clearances and 15th for contested possessions – hardly the stats a “pack mawling football”

            • November 3rd 2017 @ 3:27pm
              Peter the Scribe said | November 3rd 2017 @ 3:27pm | ! Report

              Exactly Macca! He can’t even get scrum footy right!

              • November 3rd 2017 @ 4:24pm
                Macca said | November 3rd 2017 @ 4:24pm | ! Report

                If you actually watched the blues you would see they don’t play scrum footy, they play predominantly slow, short kick mark football that allows them to keep their shape behind the ball. It is why the blues rank 3rd in marks and first for kicks.

                It is also a style that can be easily adapted to a faster game plan (as they did in game for periods during the 2017 year) by simply playing on from a mark more or taking the more aggressive option with the kick.

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            November 3rd 2017 @ 10:43am
            Col from Brissie said | November 3rd 2017 @ 10:43am | ! Report

            Peter, don’t you think the Broadcasters have a say who plays in the prime time slots. If Channel 7 didn’t want Carlton on Friday nights they would tell the AFL. After all they are paying the big dollars.

            • November 3rd 2017 @ 10:47am
              Macca said | November 3rd 2017 @ 10:47am | ! Report

              Col – correct Channel 7 are happy that they will get good ratings. The opposition teams requested the blues to get the big crowd and the win – the only party who doesn’t get anything out of it are the team supposedly receiving the gift.

            • November 3rd 2017 @ 3:28pm
              Peter the Scribe said | November 3rd 2017 @ 3:28pm | ! Report

              Channel 7 don’t set the draw the AFL do and they have put you on notice as they should.

              • November 3rd 2017 @ 4:25pm
                Macca said | November 3rd 2017 @ 4:25pm | ! Report

                Yes Peter and Channel 7 have no say in what the AFL do at all.

          • November 3rd 2017 @ 10:52am
            Macca said | November 3rd 2017 @ 10:52am | ! Report

            Peter – ” they may need to step in next year if Bolton keeps this up.” Take a look at the players the blues have drafted in the last 2 years, you have McKay, Curnow, Cuningham, Silvagni, SPS, Fisher, Poulson, Williamson & Kerr plus Weitering & MacReadie – that is 9 out of 11 players who are either forwards or quick running players, it doesn’t take a genius to realise Bolton doesn’t plan to “keep it up”

      • November 3rd 2017 @ 8:59am
        Peter the Scribe said | November 3rd 2017 @ 8:59am | ! Report

        Well said Mattyb you are 100% spot on. Seriously, how can the AFL put this club with the most unattractive football style in history in a prime spot? When is their eternal rebuild ever, ever going to amount to anything? This is about fans turning off the TV in disgust st games where both sides kick under 10 goals as a best case scenario and a worst case of Carlton beaten by 80.

        • November 3rd 2017 @ 9:06am
          Kane said | November 3rd 2017 @ 9:06am | ! Report

          Probably the same time u blokes realise that Buckley can’t coach

          • November 3rd 2017 @ 9:13am
            Peter the Scribe said | November 3rd 2017 @ 9:13am | ! Report

            Kane, the Pies don’t play negative rubbish football which is the only style Bolton knows.

            • November 3rd 2017 @ 10:40am
              Macca said | November 3rd 2017 @ 10:40am | ! Report

              Peter – “the Pies don’t play negative rubbish football” No they just play rubbish football of no realy style at all.

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              November 3rd 2017 @ 1:21pm
              Paul D said | November 3rd 2017 @ 1:21pm | ! Report

              Bollocks they do, I remember saying last year Buckley was still playing that god awful stoppage heavy crab it round the boundary footy Malthouse used to be enamoured with

              Collingwood try to play like millionaries with a talent poor side, that’s why they’re no good to watch. It just winds up being 2 hours of inadequacy and frustration

              • November 3rd 2017 @ 3:30pm
                Peter the Scribe said | November 3rd 2017 @ 3:30pm | ! Report

                Paul D you clearly don’t watch our games.

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              November 27th 2017 @ 3:11am
              Murphster888 said | November 27th 2017 @ 3:11am | ! Report

              No they play losing football with no game plan and no eye on the future. 22 midfielders won’t win you a game someone should tell Bucks to stop trading in more mids that can’t hit the side of a barn.

          • November 3rd 2017 @ 9:21am
            Mattyb said | November 3rd 2017 @ 9:21am | ! Report

            Interesting comments Kane,after needing tissues because someone has commented on Carlton you then proceed to make negative comments in regards to Collingwood,seems like double standards to me.

            • November 3rd 2017 @ 10:41am
              Macca said | November 3rd 2017 @ 10:41am | ! Report

              Mattyb – I have asked this of you on another thread but I wwill ask it of you again, given the blues are doing everything you have asked of them in a “proper rebuild” what will it take for you to say something positive about them?

            • November 3rd 2017 @ 11:42am
              Kane said | November 3rd 2017 @ 11:42am | ! Report

              Not someone mattyb, just you. Maybe look after your own backyard where players sleep with 17 year old schoolgirls whilst their fiancee is pregnant with their second child before you have a crack at another clubs ongoings. Not sure how it can be double standards when i just answered a question that Peter put out there. Not sure why i need tissues for, fill me in on your reasoning for that comment please.

        • November 3rd 2017 @ 9:12am
          Macca said | November 3rd 2017 @ 9:12am | ! Report

          Peter – “Seriously, how can the AFL put this club with the most unattractive football style in history in a prime spot?” This article is about Carlton, not Collingwood.

          • November 3rd 2017 @ 11:06am
            Hungry Jack said | November 3rd 2017 @ 11:06am | ! Report

            Yes Macca. Didn’t the Blues beat the Pies this year? Peter yanking his chain!

      • November 3rd 2017 @ 9:35am
        Hungry Jack said | November 3rd 2017 @ 9:35am | ! Report

        ‘…again being gifted Friday night games’. I must be missing something here in Sydney, Mattyb. Haven’t seen a whole lot of the Blues on Friday nights for years. What’s your real agenda? It’s certainly not the truth.

        • November 3rd 2017 @ 10:53am
          Mattyb said | November 3rd 2017 @ 10:53am | ! Report

          Gifted this year HJ,you wont be able to watch the games until they’re played.
          It’s amazing the water works from the Carlton fans,who’s team has again gone backwards during its clearly stated 66 game rebuild,yet they’ve been more than happy to openly abuse Collingwood,Essendon and Fremantle if anyone dare discuss this Friday night topic.

          • November 3rd 2017 @ 1:09pm
            Macca said | November 3rd 2017 @ 1:09pm | ! Report

            Mattyb – could you please provide evidence of this “clearly stated 66 game rebuild”?

            • November 3rd 2017 @ 1:28pm
              Mattyb said | November 3rd 2017 @ 1:28pm | ! Report

              Macca,just put the Sheriffs badge down for a second and Google ‘Carlton,66 game rebuild’ for yourself.
              If everyone’s so wrong about Carlton and you so right I expect Bolton to be signed to a proper contract since the board has moved on Trigg. A stable board would be after a stable coach. There is no way on earth the Carlton board is going to be allowed to accept the club again going backwards with their ongoing concerns about membership numbers and financial losses. I can’t see how you think they would while continueing to personally attack Collingwood,Essendon and Fremantle supporters,all clubs with strong membership and Essendon just played finals.

              • November 3rd 2017 @ 2:36pm
                Macca said | November 3rd 2017 @ 2:36pm | ! Report

                Mattyb – Why is it that every time I ask you to actually support one of your assertions you whinge about me being a sherrif?

                I have googled “‘Carlton,66 game rebuild’ and nothing from the club comes up, just a “Big Footy” blog.

                Could you please explain what the “ongoing concerns about membership numbers and financial losses” are? Especially given the blues improved their financial position by $2m in 2016 and posts a before depreciation profit of over $1m?

                Could you also show evidence as to why you think Bolton’s contract isn’t “stable” or at least as stable as a fixed term contract, especially considering how many coaches fixed term contracts get terminated early.

                As for “if everyone’s so wrong about Carlton” – when people continually say things that are demonstrably wrong it isn’t a matte of “if”.

              • November 3rd 2017 @ 2:43pm
                Macca said | November 3rd 2017 @ 2:43pm | ! Report

                Oh and Mattyb – could you also answer my question of given the blues are rebuilding in exactly the manner you have asked of them, what it will take to make you say something positive about them?

        • November 3rd 2017 @ 3:35pm
          Peter the Scribe said | November 3rd 2017 @ 3:35pm | ! Report

          HJ you are uninformed. The last time they had more than 4 Friday night games they lost by an average of 60+ points nearly killing off Friday night footy in the process.

          • November 3rd 2017 @ 4:04pm
            Macca said | November 3rd 2017 @ 4:04pm | ! Report

            Yes Peter, the AFL almost cancelled Friday night football altogether after 2015.

            Get your hand of it.

          • November 3rd 2017 @ 6:12pm
            BigAl said | November 3rd 2017 @ 6:12pm | ! Report

            Blowouts are way down on the issues list as far as the AFL is concerned !

      • November 4th 2017 @ 11:56am
        Steve009 said | November 4th 2017 @ 11:56am | ! Report

        It was a 5 year rebuild announced from the very start of Bolton’s tenure at Carlton. We are 2 years into that rebuild.

        The 66 games you are referring to Matty, and this is stretching my memory, was i believe in reference to the time it will take to turn the list over. SOS spoke on his appointment (paraphrasing because i can’t remember the specific details) that you can’t just come in and cut 30 players at once and replace them with the 30 you want. With contracts, afl rules, and quality player availability it takes time. Carlton has been aggressive in its list turnover, but I repeat Matty, it takes time.

        That 66 games, equates to 3 and a bit AFL cycles, coming into completion at the end of the 2018 trade period and draft. A lot of the players that will be key in Carlton’s presumed rise up the ladder at the end of this rebuild aren’t even at the club yet. Many still on the clubs list will be gone.

        • November 4th 2017 @ 1:23pm
          Kane said | November 4th 2017 @ 1:23pm | ! Report

          To be fair tho Steve009, mattyb would know a bit about rebuilds. His club just went through 62 years worth of them. I don’t think we will hear from him or Peter the Scribe again on this post tho because they don’t seem to like answering questions that don’t feed their vitriol against Carlton.

        • November 4th 2017 @ 6:47pm
          Macca said | November 4th 2017 @ 6:47pm | ! Report

          Well said Steve009

          • November 4th 2017 @ 7:42pm
            Stephen said | November 4th 2017 @ 7:42pm | ! Report

            Macca,

            As a lover of our game, my issue with Carlton is not the rebuild – because as I said earlier, I think its on-track and being well managed. My concern is the stagnant membership. And yes, I’m well aware of the wealthy/generous support from certain Carlton sectors – with the Pratt family at the front of the queue. And yes again, I’ve heard all the arguments around lower priced 3 game memberships etc. etc.. But CFC’s membership has sat around 30% lower than clubs it was once ahead or equal with – for many years. The ‘pot of gold’ in the boardroom is unsustainable. Sustainability comes from a wide and growing membership base. For me, this is Carlton’s greatest issue.

            • November 5th 2017 @ 10:52am
              Macca said | November 5th 2017 @ 10:52am | ! Report

              Stephen – I agree the club needs more members but from 2011 until 2017 it grew by roughly 10k despite on field performance going backwards, we still sit mid pack and not fra behind the likes of Geelong who have had sustained success for a decade. We need to get better at selling memberships but I a more confident that simply getting better results will see a significant increase.

              It is worth remembering this year the blues had the most ever members signed up before Christmas, we just don’t get many taking up memberships once the season starts with consecutively losses.

              • November 5th 2017 @ 11:54am
                Stephen said | November 5th 2017 @ 11:54am | ! Report

                Fair enough

            • November 5th 2017 @ 5:13pm
              Darren said | November 5th 2017 @ 5:13pm | ! Report

              Stephen I don’t think Carlton has ever been a high membership club. They have always had big crowds but not memberships.

              • November 5th 2017 @ 6:04pm
                Mattyb said | November 5th 2017 @ 6:04pm | ! Report

                Darren,the issue the Carlton board currently have is ten years ago the big Vic clubs had around 30k members,including Carlton and today those clubs have around 75k. Not only have they fallen away from the bigger clubs but their current membership numbers are far closer aligned to the smaller Vic clubs,with the big clubs pulling further away each season and the smaller clubs bridging the gap.
                Membership is far more important to clubs in the modern era than it has ever been.

              • November 5th 2017 @ 6:50pm
                Macca said | November 5th 2017 @ 6:50pm | ! Report

                Mattyb – would you say Geelong is one of the smaller Victorian clubs?

              • November 6th 2017 @ 10:53am
                Darren said | November 6th 2017 @ 10:53am | ! Report

                MattyB. I think you are right that the board is quite focussed on generating revenue – including membership. That is a big reason for the change in CEO.

              • November 9th 2017 @ 10:44am
                Stephen said | November 9th 2017 @ 10:44am | ! Report

                Agreed, club culture is a powerful force and not easily changed. The old CFC culture of buying big-name players – is clearly changing as the club moves through the current rebuild. The other component of the CFC culture – of relying on heavy/generous donors – is changing also. But arguably at a slower pace.

              • November 9th 2017 @ 10:57am
                Macca said | November 9th 2017 @ 10:57am | ! Report

                Stephen – I read an interesting article today on the appointment of Liddle, which says that when the blues sacked Trigg they were seen to be doing so to get Lethlean, which was a classic “old Carlton” move

                However they went through the process and arrived at Liddle instead. A lot of the credit for the adherence to the process is going to Judd (who Mattyb wants removed) and Jenkins but the President deserves credit for a) putting them on the committee and b) having the strength to accept their recommendations.

                The change of culture is impacting the board faster than many think.

              • November 9th 2017 @ 11:06am
                Stephen said | November 9th 2017 @ 11:06am | ! Report

                Interesting Macca. I thought/was told – Lethlean had the job. And perhaps he was the front runner until the home-straight. Liddle comes with a membership background. So as the new CEO – you would expect him to bring that commercial flavour to the top job.

              • November 9th 2017 @ 11:13am
                Macca said | November 9th 2017 @ 11:13am | ! Report

                Stephen – it was assumed he did (possibly even by some board members) but the fact the blues stuck to the process is a very positive sign.

                Liddle does have a good track record in memberships but also in revenue in general, he set up Leisure Activities for the Tigers which runs fitness and aquatic centres and tips in $15m a year into the richmond coffers.

              • November 9th 2017 @ 11:25am
                Stephen said | November 9th 2017 @ 11:25am | ! Report

                Looking at the 2015 AFL financials. Carlton membership revenue of $8.5m was well down compared with the two highest – WC and Collingwood – both $20m+.

                CFC sponsorship revenue $12m. Collingwood/Sydney the highest with $17m.

                Gaming/Social revenue – CFC the highest at $18m+.

    • November 3rd 2017 @ 7:12am
      Zed16 said | November 3rd 2017 @ 7:12am | ! Report

      The AFL runs a business and its call is that a big 4 Melbourne club will achieve higher ratings than many of the other clubs. If Carlton are competitive it will be a good decision if they are mediocre the ratings are likely to still be higher than most other teams.

      Dollars dictate so irrespective of who you follows lets hope all Friday night fixtures are competitive and at least more interesting than the endless blowout final series this year..

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        November 3rd 2017 @ 8:07am
        Peppsy said | November 3rd 2017 @ 8:07am | ! Report

        Hawthorn and Collingwood are both bigger clubs who are from Melbourne and did significantly better than Carlton last season, but got less prime time games. Seems like a pretty dumb business move.

        • November 3rd 2017 @ 9:19am
          Peter the Scribe said | November 3rd 2017 @ 9:19am | ! Report

          Spot on Peppsy and both sides play decent footy not scrum footy that Bolton has set for the tragic cellar dweller wooden spooner club.

          • November 3rd 2017 @ 11:59am
            Mattyb said | November 3rd 2017 @ 11:59am | ! Report

            Collingwood and Hawthorn are currently on 75k members which is impressive,Carlton now have 50k and are just ahead of the WB,saints and north,the clubs in serious decline from a business point of view.

            • November 3rd 2017 @ 1:39pm
              Macca said | November 3rd 2017 @ 1:39pm | ! Report

              “Carlton now have 50k and are just ahead of the WB,saints and north”

              You have an interesting idea of “just ahead, the blues had 50,326 members, The bulldogs, after winning a premiership were on 47,653, St Kilda were on 42,052 and North were on 40,343.

              Do you seriously think having 25% more members than North has Carlton “just ahead”.

              “clubs in serious decline from a business point of view.” This is from the 2016 financial report “The on and off-field improvement at Carlton continues, after recording a $1.1 million operating profit before depreciation and amortisation for the year ending October 31, 2016.” “This result represents a $2.0million improvement on the previous financial year, which is a tremendous turn around,” – could you explain how this constitutes a “serious decline”?

              • November 3rd 2017 @ 3:39pm
                Peter the Scribe said | November 3rd 2017 @ 3:39pm | ! Report

                You used to be up there with Collingwood and Essendon for membership and miles ahead of Hawthorn . Your performance past 20 Year’s has you in decline in comparative ratio.

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                November 27th 2017 @ 3:42am
                Murphster888 said | November 27th 2017 @ 3:42am | ! Report

                Let’s take away 2 first round picks a second, and third from you next year and then the year after let’s take your 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round picks and fine you 1 million dollars and see how long it takes you to recover. In fact let’s do it to Hawthorn they have just come to the end of an era and had most of there senior stars either retire or move on just as Carlton did in 2001. I wonder how long Hawthorn would take to recover from that belting. My guess would be never.

              • November 3rd 2017 @ 4:11pm
                Macca said | November 3rd 2017 @ 4:11pm | ! Report

                Peter – I have said before the blues were late to the “let’s sell one game as a membership” party (or the “lets give away memberships for nothing to people who didn’t even ask for them” game Collingwood has adopted) but that is a different argument to the one Mattyb has made.

                The fact is the blues in 2014 and 2015 had just 47k members, in 2011 when they finished 5th they had just 44k. So despite their on field performances their membership continues to grow, which is the opposite of decline.

            • November 4th 2017 @ 4:20pm
              Zed16 said | November 4th 2017 @ 4:20pm | ! Report

              Matty b you seem to confuse membership numbers with TV ratings.

              If you ask channel 7 (politely) they will show you that the big 4 Melbourne clubs get bigger ratings than Melbourne, Dogs, Saints, Roos but probably not Hawthorn.

              This is the key driver.

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              November 27th 2017 @ 3:30am
              Murphster888 said | November 27th 2017 @ 3:30am | ! Report

              Yeah and Collingwood just announced another financial loss for the year and another year with no finals and haven’t even started the rebuild they will need by the time Buckley is done, not hard to see he learnt under Malthouse, how to destroy a club in three easy steps.

        • November 5th 2017 @ 2:40pm
          Stephen said | November 5th 2017 @ 2:40pm | ! Report

          Difficult to argue against that logic.

    • November 3rd 2017 @ 8:57am
      Macca said | November 3rd 2017 @ 8:57am | ! Report

      The AFL have achieved one of their goals with putting the blues on Friday night – have the AFL fixture talked about in the media for a few days!

      The basic facts are that the blues were the 4th highest drawing club in the home and away season and will likely be a bottom 4 team – this is the perfect opponent for teams like St Kilda and the bulldogs to request for their HOME Friday night spot, pull in a big crowd and walk away with a win

      Throw in that the blues have had just 1 Friday night game in the last 2 years and it isn’t hard to understand why they got 4 this year.

      It should also be remembered that 10 or 11 teams have 3 or more Friday night games – 4 isn’t an outrageous amount.

      It also should be remembered that the blues are the away team in 3 of the 4 games (only against Collingwood are they at home) – they aren’t exaclt getting a lot of benefit out of these Friday night games.

    • November 3rd 2017 @ 9:56am
      Don Freo said | November 3rd 2017 @ 9:56am | ! Report

      • November 3rd 2017 @ 9:58am
        Macca said | November 3rd 2017 @ 9:58am | ! Report

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        • November 3rd 2017 @ 10:02am
          Don Freo said | November 3rd 2017 @ 10:02am | ! Report

          !!

          • November 3rd 2017 @ 11:18am
            Aransan said | November 3rd 2017 @ 11:18am | ! Report

            I love your contributions Don.

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              November 3rd 2017 @ 11:37am
              Col from Brissie said | November 3rd 2017 @ 11:37am | ! Report

              The last 2 were some of his best work.

            • November 3rd 2017 @ 6:43pm
              Hungry Jack said | November 3rd 2017 @ 6:43pm | ! Report

              So cute of you to notice, Aransan.

              • November 4th 2017 @ 7:31am
                Aransan said | November 4th 2017 @ 7:31am | ! Report

                Hungry, the one thing always in Don’s favour is that he never runs down players. I wonder what some armchair warriors have ever achieved in their lives that they can rubbish players who have achieved success in an elite environment.

              • November 5th 2017 @ 5:15pm
                Darren said | November 5th 2017 @ 5:15pm | ! Report

                Ask him about Sam Mitchell

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