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    If an A-League game was played in a multi-purpose venue and no one was there to watch it, was it really a proper football game?

    Thank heavens Melbourne Victory are at home to the Western Sydney Wanderers in the pre-Melbourne Cup holiday fixture tonight, because less than 40,000 fans filed through the gates for the other four A-League fixtures this weekend.

    That’s despite Melbourne City hosting Sydney FC in a top-of-the-table clash, Newcastle Jets being afforded a rare primetime fixture, old foes Perth Glory and Adelaide United going head to head at the revamped nib Stadium and Brisbane Roar enjoying the chance to make a statement against the Central Coast Mariners at home.

    And it’s a problem because, like it or not, metrics count. More fans inside the ground means a better atmosphere, more impressive TV broadcasts and a bigger chance of more cashed-up companies pledging their support.

    At the moment we can’t even get so-called football fans to do that.

    It’s not just attendance figures that are worrying.

    Saturday night’s TV ratings were – to put it mildly – shocking. An average of just 54,000 viewers tuned into One’s coverage of the Jets versus Wellington Phoenix in front of a virtually empty McDonald Jones Stadium.

    That’s about half of what the match of the round used to average on SBS – a network that was frozen out by Football Federation Australia because too few people were supposedly watching over on Viceland.

    So what happens now that no one is watching over on Network Ten’s second channel either?

    The late Saturday night kick-off between Perth Glory and Adelaide United didn’t fare much better over on Fox Sports, leading former Reds chief executive Grant Mayer to tweet, “Just not sure they got it right with the schedule”.

    Scheduling! It wouldn’t be the A-League if it wasn’t a persistent concern.

    No surprise, then, to see the Newcastle Jets follow up a home game against Western Sydney with another home game just six days later.

    A-League crowd empty seats

    (AAP Image/Darren England)

    Sydney FC recently played three home games in a row. Meanwhile, Melbourne Victory will get their contractually-obliged five home games at Etihad Stadium out of the way as quickly as possible, playing all five of their first home games at the unloved venue before decamping to AAMI Park.

    They’ll also play a home game at Simonds Stadium in Geelong. A Paul McCartney concert means Brisbane Roar will take one of their home games to Cbus Stadium on the Gold Coast.

    It’s not the worst thing in the world to play A-League games out of regional venues, but all the chopping and changing means loyal supporters never get the chance to settle into a regular match-going rhythm.

    And on the evidence of the first five rounds of the season, casual fans no longer seem interested.

    It’s worth, however, putting some of these numbers into perspective.

    The ‘weather-affected crowd’ of 6,258 – as the Newcastle Jets called it – was decidedly small, and comes on the back of the Newcastle Herald publishing a passionate pre-season call to arms.

    But it’s worth pointing out that a dismal crowd of just 12,293 turned up at Canberra Stadium for the Rugby League World Cup clash between Australia and France on Friday night, suggesting Aussie sports fans aren’t turning out for anything in particularly large numbers right now.

    And compared to the dying days of the National Soccer League – just 1,433 fans watched the Jets take on the Kiwi-based Football Kingz when the two sides met in the Hunter in December 2003 – the A-League is a veritable hotbed of passion.

    We just need a little bit more of it from all quarters to help get through a disappointingly subdued start to the season.

    Because negativity begets negativity, and the A-League can ill-afford to get caught in a downward spiral from which it has no hope of returning.

    Mike Tuckerman
    Mike Tuckerman

    Mike Tuckerman is a Sydney-born journalist and lifelong football fan. After lengthy stints watching the beautiful game in Germany and Japan, he settled in Brisbane, and has been a leading Roar football columnist from December 2008.

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    • November 6th 2017 @ 6:50am
      not so super said | November 6th 2017 @ 6:50am | ! Report

      Past performance is no guarantee of future results. Glory Days – Bruce Springsteen

    • November 6th 2017 @ 6:57am
      Waz said | November 6th 2017 @ 6:57am | ! Report

      If success is measured in attendances and tv viewing then this season is turning into an absolute disaster. If things are this bad at the beginning of the season what are they going to be like in a couple of months time when the weather really does affect matches, half of the competition are out of the running for almost everything and BBL, AFLW, Comm Games And the new Rugby seasons loom?

      The question is, who really cares?

      You could be forgiven for thinking the FFA don’t? Presumably the HAL owners do but how would we know? And the actual coaches/players themselves are turning out some dire stuff …. so if the people who really should care about the game look like they don’t give a damn, why would the football public?

      • November 6th 2017 @ 8:52am
        Working Class Rugger said | November 6th 2017 @ 8:52am | ! Report

        The BBL period is going to be really painful. Wall to wall Cricket. Considering the current state of attendance and viewing and considering that typically they’ve seen a dip during this period it could be rather dire for the league. I’m not death riding it by the way. It’s just amazing that after something like 12+ seasons they League hasn’t been able to draw the games large particiipation base in.

        • November 6th 2017 @ 8:55am
          chris said | November 6th 2017 @ 8:55am | ! Report

          Its been the same for the NRL. Small crowds across the board (except Brisbane) despite the wall to wall media coverage. Rugby is even worse.
          Not sure what the answer is but smaller rectangular stadiums definitely the way to go.

          • November 6th 2017 @ 9:08am
            spruce moose said | November 6th 2017 @ 9:08am | ! Report

            The critical difference between the A-league and NRL is that while they both have poor crowds at the matches, the NRL gets excellent ratings on FTA and on Fox. The A-league unfortunately can’t even rely on good TV figures right now, and as Working Class Rugger says, the Ashes and the BBL are going to just dominate the ratings for the next 3 months.

            • November 6th 2017 @ 9:22am
              chris said | November 6th 2017 @ 9:22am | ! Report

              Hmm possibly. I think if you look at past seasons there was not much impact that the BBL had on A-League attendances.
              Do you think the A-League will survive? Or do you think football in Australia is going to wither away to be taken over by BBL and AFL?

              • November 6th 2017 @ 9:31am
                spruce moose said | November 6th 2017 @ 9:31am | ! Report

                It’s not at ground attendances that are the worry – they are broadly consistent year in year out. It’s the TV viewing that is of most concern. Less eyes on TV means less dollars. The BBL will mean less eyes on TV for the A-league.

                Of course football will survive. It’s inconceivable that it wont. It has it’s place in the crowded market, but unfortunately it’s not maximising it right now. It is a more popular sport than ratings suggest right now.

              • November 6th 2017 @ 10:50am
                Working Class Rugger said | November 6th 2017 @ 10:50am | ! Report

                As Spruce states attendance isn’t the key determining factor in the equation. It’s viewership that determine value.

                The A-League won’t die off to be replaced by the BBL. I’d suggest that in the viewing public already views BBL above the A-League anyway. But poor ratings directly affect the products ability to draw in sponsorship and TV revenues. Which in turns directly impact the scope of professionalism the League is capable of maintaining. It’s a significant issue.

                It’s something that, as a Rugby fan I am acutely aware of. But something Soccer needs to take into account is that they do have a vastly superior participation base relative to other sports but that base is not translating to support of the League.

              • November 6th 2017 @ 11:15am
                Nemesis said | November 6th 2017 @ 11:15am | ! Report

                “But poor ratings directly affect the products ability to draw in sponsorship and TV revenues. ”

                Yes. And we’ve had poor TV ratings since Day1.

                We started with $0/year TV broadcast money on Day1.
                We then moved to $750,000/year for all National Team matches + HAL
                Then to $20,000,000/year for all National Team matches + HAL
                Then to $40,000,000 for all National Team matches + HAL

                Now, after 12 years we’re getting $56,000,000/year just for ALeague. National Team matches are not included. FFA gets money directly from the Asian Football Confederation.

                So, crap TV ratings are not worrying the buyers.

              • November 6th 2017 @ 1:24pm
                AR said | November 6th 2017 @ 1:24pm | ! Report

                “Now, after 12 years we’re getting $56,000,000/year just for ALeague.”

                Fuss, please stop pressing this untruth.

                As a man dedicated to facts and data, you know this is incorrect.

                The ALeague is currently getting around $44M per year.

                That figure was *predicted* to rise to almost $57M after 3-4 years…
                IF the FFA could sell the FTA rights (which to date it hasn’t) and…
                IF the FFA could expand the comp by a further 2 teams (which to date if hasn’t).

              • November 6th 2017 @ 12:24pm
                spruce moose said | November 6th 2017 @ 12:24pm | ! Report

                “So, crap TV ratings are not worrying the buyers.”

                No, but they are capping the ability to truly exploit the money that can come in.

                Your stats also show a slow down in the increase of revenue as well. $20 million to $40 million to $57 million. Steven Lowy also went on record hoping for $80 million as well, so that is quite a bit short.

                In contrast, The BBL is mooted to get $60 million per year in the next deal (up from $20m) and it’s been around for half the length of the A-league, and operates a schedule one quarter the size of the A-league. 35 matches against 140.

                Having an average TV rating of one million per night on FTA TV will give you the extra coin.

                Better ratings = better money.

                What the answer is for better ratings? I’m really not sure.

              • November 6th 2017 @ 12:32pm
                Nemesis said | November 6th 2017 @ 12:32pm | ! Report

                “Your stats also show a slow down in the increase of revenue as well. $20 million to $40 million to $57 million”

                The $20m & $40m figure was for BOTH

                A) World Cup Qualifiers and
                B) ALeague

                I actually went out of my way to specifically mention this.

                The current $56m deal does NOT include WC Qualifiers.

                If we remove the National Team’s broadcast money from the early deals I’d say this would be the ALeague’s TV revenue:

                Per annum (A$)
                1) $0 out of $0
                2) $0 (out of $750,000)
                3) $13,000,000 (out of $20M)
                4) $27,000,000 (out of $40M)
                5) $56,000,000 (out of $56M)

                Sounds pretty steady to me and in line with the doubling of revenue we see in other sports comps.

              • November 6th 2017 @ 1:03pm
                spruce moose said | November 6th 2017 @ 1:03pm | ! Report

                Do you have actual cited figures, or are you just deliberately manipulating it to almost precisely serve your ‘doubling’ argument.

                Do you have it as fact that the previous agreement included $13 million for socceroos games? That seems very high for comparatively few games that hardly ignite the ratings list.

                If those assumed figures are factually correct, I’ll gladly stand down.

                56m after 12 years is meagre when it’s direct TV competitor will meet that figure in half the time, logistically a much smaller comp.

                56m (minus cut to the FFA/A-league) split 10 ways is a pittance.

              • November 6th 2017 @ 1:12pm
                Nemesis said | November 6th 2017 @ 1:12pm | ! Report

                I have cited information that has been sourced from various articles from the media written by Bonita Mersiades & Roy Masters.

                It’s funny that people took great delight in the past to diminsh the value of the ALeague saying “all the value is from the Socceroos”.

                But, now those same people want to say “all the past value was with the ALeague”.

                You can think what you like, I honestly don’t care. I know that the ALeague TV portion was worth nothing when we started.

                Then it was worth a bit, but the Socceroos were driving the value; not the ALeague.

                Now, the ALeague drives the value of all TV revenue for the FFA. This is why the FFA doesn’t want to let go of the ALeague. It’s finally become a profitable venture after a decade of being propped up by the FFA.

              • November 6th 2017 @ 1:46pm
                spruce moose said | November 6th 2017 @ 1:46pm | ! Report

                “It’s funny that people took great delight in the past to diminsh the value of the ALeague saying “all the value is from the Socceroos”.

                But, now those same people want to say “all the past value was with the ALeague”.”

                I said no such thing nor ever said such thing.

                You may not care what I say, but to then place words in my mouth is poor form.

                But anyway, it interesting to read and I’ll look at more of the Roy Masters articles – although he’s borderline senile these days. :p

              • November 7th 2017 @ 9:31am
                Nemesis said | November 7th 2017 @ 9:31am | ! Report

                “The ALeague is currently getting around $44M per year”

                Utter nonsense. Don’t let this AFL Stooge confuse anyone with outright lies.

                The ALeague Deal with FoxSports, is reported in the No.1 business newspaper in Australia “about $58 million per year” and “comprises $310 million in cash and $36 million in contra payments [over 6 years]”.

                So, if anyone suggests a $44m figure (and this AFL Poser does it regularly) the person is utterly ignorant, or don’t understand basic English.

                On top of this figure, Foxsports now pays an additional $2M per year to the FFA for the FTA TV rights which FoxSports has on-sold to TEN Network.

                Full details: http://www.afr.com/business/sport/soccer-strikes-record-346m-tv-deal-20161220-gteq5r

            • November 6th 2017 @ 4:06pm
              Ken said | November 6th 2017 @ 4:06pm | ! Report

              The sports you mention are on the main free to air channel and more than one game .The A league is on a digital channel and it’s one game a week big difference and that’s why ratings for the A league are poor . ,majority of Aussies don’t pay for pay TV so no matter how many games are on foxtel no one is watching them. A league needs FTA main channel exposure .the FFA stuffed up with giving the rights to foxtel only .

    • November 6th 2017 @ 7:14am
      AR said | November 6th 2017 @ 7:14am | ! Report

      I think the ALeague is attracting crowds and television audiences that reflect the popularity of the sport in Australia, at the top level anyway.
      It really is that simple.

      On crowds, there is always a lot of whining about various factors – as though the ALeague *must* have perfect conditions with perfect weather and perfect stadiums and scheduling so as to maximise the crowds in each and every game.

      It’s silly. No sport has this. No sport can have this.

      On tv ratings, I always thought it strange that SBS copped so much flak when it was broadcasting ALeague games.

      SBS was the home of soccer. It had been for decades. If you wanted to watch soccer, as many of my friends and I had for years, you knew exactly where to find it.

      But Gallop went on this bizarre public rant against SBS (surely a first for a sporting ‘partner’) shopping games around to rivals. Perhaps he thought – due to all his hard work – the ALeague should have been attracting larger ratings.
      Even more bizarre, many fans of the ALeague giddily joined in. The current figures on TEN show the very decent job SBS were doing, particularly with pre and post content.

      This ten team competiton feels stale. Perhaps the coming structural changes will create a boost in interest and support, but I’m not sure it will ever match the lofty expectations of the die hard fans.

      • November 6th 2017 @ 7:49am
        Waz said | November 6th 2017 @ 7:49am | ! Report

        AR

        A little dangerous thinking there linking crowds with popularity. If that is true why does AFL attract 30k+ averages and NRL less than half that, both are equally “popular”?

        I’d say A League crowds are at the bottom end of a possible envelope that ranges from 12-18k, the fact they’ve been stubbornly stuck at the bottom end of that envelope for 5 seasons should have been a cause of focus from the FFA. But fixing it hasn’t really seemed to be their concern as they first fell out with the FTA broadcaster, then the players then unbelievably the fans inspiring an actual boycott, before completing the set and falling out with the actual clubs themselves.

        So when the FFA is at war with broadcaster, players, fans and clubs what did people think would happen?

        • November 6th 2017 @ 8:13am
          punter said | November 6th 2017 @ 8:13am | ! Report

          Exactly Waz, many AFL fans (including the person you replying to) likes to think the Swans are the most popular football (all codes) team in Sydney because they have the best attendances in Sydney.
          Fact is they are on a secondary channel in Sydney, while Sydney RL clubs are on the main channel.
          I know very few Swans fans, as a matter of fact I know more fans of other AFL Melbourne clubs then Swans fans in Sydney.
          You hear more discussions in pubs, cafes, work places in Sydney of Rugby league, by far, followed by football, O/S football, mainly EPL, Socceroos & A-League then AFL.

          However, the Giants, some in Sydney wonder whether they do exist such is lack of interest despite the huge budget & media it gets.

          • November 6th 2017 @ 8:28am
            chris said | November 6th 2017 @ 8:28am | ! Report

            Punter we need to start listening to people like AR who are AFL fanboys.
            Their model is so successful we’d be silly to not heed their invaluable advice.

            • November 6th 2017 @ 12:43pm
              BigAl said | November 6th 2017 @ 12:43pm | ! Report

              What does that commentator Simon . . . whatshisname? have to say about all this ?

          • November 6th 2017 @ 8:57am
            AR said | November 6th 2017 @ 8:57am | ! Report

            Punter, I didn’t mention the AFL or the Swans at all.

            Tuckerman has written an article about the ALeague’s poor tv crowds and ratings.

            And you want to assess the popularity of a sport – particularly at top level – those combined metrics tell the story. Always.

            Hope that clarifies.

            • November 6th 2017 @ 11:22am
              punter said | November 6th 2017 @ 11:22am | ! Report

              Firstly I never accused you of mentioning the Swans.

              You made a comment & I counter that view of your view of the popularity of a sport.
              In football there is more then just the A-League & you have made this mistake many times, if you mentioned the A-League instead of football I may have been more inclined to agree, though as Waz has pointed out, there are obvious reasons why A-League is struggling.

              Then I pointed to the Swans because, you have pointed out many times the most popular team in Sydney & I provided facts to go against that despite having the best average attendance in our fair city. Here is another one of the biggest game of AFLgames ever in Sydney a local derby in the semi finals a couple of seasons ago drew a touch over 60K in the biggest football competition in this country. SFC in friendlies against Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs all drew bigger crowds. Even a local derby between SFC v WSW drew bigger crowds.

          • November 6th 2017 @ 10:51am
            clipper said | November 6th 2017 @ 10:51am | ! Report

            Depends where in Sydney you are punter – I hear less and less discussion of league and Rugby (excep SoO and RWC) and more of AFL and Football. This is reflected by the continued decline in NRL attendances in Sydney and ratings this year. I do agree about GWS though.

            • November 6th 2017 @ 12:38pm
              punter said | November 6th 2017 @ 12:38pm | ! Report

              I live in the Northern beaches & work in the hills district. I rarely hear anyone discuss Swans (for a club according to some AFL fanboys the biggest club in Sydney, never felt anyone’s disappointment at their semi finals demise), much more other AFL teams.

              • November 6th 2017 @ 1:01pm
                clipper said | November 6th 2017 @ 1:01pm | ! Report

                It also depends on your circle of acquaintances, so it’s probably not that accurate to take either your or my personal experience as proof. I must admit there has been a lot of talk about the RLWC, but mostly how farcical it has been with so called ‘heritage’ players. More talk about the Football world cup, even if it is only the qualifiers.

              • November 6th 2017 @ 1:58pm
                jamesb said | November 6th 2017 @ 1:58pm | ! Report

                Clipper

                It’s been a good RLWC. Great to see matches played in the PNG.

              • November 6th 2017 @ 2:06pm
                clipper said | November 6th 2017 @ 2:06pm | ! Report

                Again, jamesb, these are our perceptions, you say it’s been good, I say it’s farcical. It is good for PNG, they really get into it, but not much interest in Australia, small crowds and huge thrashings which just highlight the disparity between Australia and the rest (most of who are Australians). I would still say there’s been more talk about Australia qualifying for the WC though.

              • November 6th 2017 @ 2:19pm
                punter said | November 6th 2017 @ 2:19pm | ! Report

                I’m not talking about my circle of friends, if this was the case Clipper, Football would be way out ahead.
                I’m talking about what you hear others talking about in the pubs, clubs, cafes work places, bus stops etc not necessary to me.

              • November 6th 2017 @ 2:27pm
                AR said | November 6th 2017 @ 2:27pm | ! Report

                Article: the ALeagues tv ratings and crowds are down.

                Punter: yeah but none of my friends talk about the AFL. Same goes for people in cafes and bus stops.

              • November 6th 2017 @ 3:20pm
                punter said | November 6th 2017 @ 3:20pm | ! Report

                What is worse?

                A-League ‘fan boys’ talking AFL in a football tab or,

                AFL ‘fan boys’ talking football on a football tab.

                Who has the biggest insecurities?

              • November 6th 2017 @ 3:22pm
                clipper said | November 6th 2017 @ 3:22pm | ! Report

                Punter, I still don’t think it’s a reasonable straw poll, as, from what I’ve ascertained, you’re no fan of AFL, and likewise, I’m no fan of league, so therefore, respectively, we would not be attuned to listen to any chatter about these sports. To have the steady No. 1 attended team with growing grassroots (although dwarfed by Football) compared to declining ratings and attendance for NRL suggest that there is interest in Sydney – albeit in certain areas and certain groups.

        • November 6th 2017 @ 9:35am
          AR said | November 6th 2017 @ 9:35am | ! Report

          “A little dangerous thinking there linking crowds with popularity.”

          Waz, I’m linking tv ratings and crowds with popularity.

          I stand by that. There really isn’t any other meaningful way to assess the popularity of a sport at the top level, other than with those 2 metrics.

          Hence Tuckerman’s focus in this article.

          Btw, this is far from being a knock on the ALeague – a fantastic competiton and very successful to date – it’s just a plain view statement of where things are at.

        • November 6th 2017 @ 10:22am
          bazza said | November 6th 2017 @ 10:22am | ! Report

          AFL is better to watch at the ground then League period.
          Swans have made the finals every year since 2006 as well.

      • November 6th 2017 @ 8:12am
        jamesb said | November 6th 2017 @ 8:12am | ! Report

        AR

        When was the last time that an AFL match kicked off at 10pm on the eastern states?

        And when you look at FTA selections, the Newcastle v Wellington match is akin to an AFL match featuring Geelong v Gold Coast, while a high profile game such as Melbourne Victory v WSW is not on FTA.

        The real football fans don’t whine. All they want is common sense. And the scheduling of this current round of matches lacks common sense.

        • November 6th 2017 @ 9:05am
          AR said | November 6th 2017 @ 9:05am | ! Report

          jamesb, I hear what you’re saying.

          I think Gallop has been extremely poor in leading the sport and the ALeague – and some poor scheduling may be a side-effect of that (the FFA have very little power in terms of determining its own fixture; ditto the NRL).

          But again, we can’t have it perfect every single week. There are AFL games on Thursdays, some late Sunday afternoons, often multiple matches on at once. You don’t always get it perfect with the 2 or 3 biggest clubs playing off in prime time.

          • November 6th 2017 @ 9:43am
            Nemesis said | November 6th 2017 @ 9:43am | ! Report

            The question he asked was “when was an AFL match broadcast on the East Coast of Australia to start at 10:00 p.m.”

            You evaded the question, so I’d guess the answer is: NEVER. The AFL compromises its fixture to ensure the low rating, low crowd matches are never played twice, and they play as many of the low crowd matches in a venue to attract the higher crowd.

            ALeague doesn’t have this luxury. All teams play each opponent 3 times.

            To maximise crowds & ratings, ALeague could play a 13 match H&A season. Just playing each opponent once & 4 opponents twice.

            Thankfully, we don’t do this. We have each team playing 27 matches H&A. This is more than any other professional sporting competition in Australia. At the other end, BBL has 8 matches H&A.

            Finally, AFL fanboys keep being told “GWS needs 20-30 years before we analyse crowds, that’s how long it took Swans”. But, for ALeague, they snipe at crowds every week in a competition that’s 12 years old. Swans ave crowds were 9.4k after 12 years in Sydney.

            • November 6th 2017 @ 10:22am
              Deir-ba-zor said | November 6th 2017 @ 10:22am | ! Report

              If you actually cared to look at the AFL fixture you would see that plenty of low drawing matches are played twice, but no, that wouldn’t suit you and your constant whining.

            • November 6th 2017 @ 10:24am
              AR said | November 6th 2017 @ 10:24am | ! Report

              Oh my.

              First, I’m not “sniping” at ALeague crowds at all. I think ALeague crowds are actually quite impressive. But Tuckerman has written an article about it, so here we are.

              Second, it’s interesting that the only people talking about the AFL or its crowds are not the “AFL fan boys”…but seemingly the “ALeague fan boys”. So try to stay on topic.

              Third, it’s amazing that Fuss can claim the FFA doesn’t artificially try to maximise its crowds though the fixture like every other sport does. Derbies and “Big Blue” galore for the opening rounds just a coincidence then.

              • November 6th 2017 @ 11:18am
                Nemesis said | November 6th 2017 @ 11:18am | ! Report

                “Derbies and “Big Blue” galore for the opening rounds just a coincidence then.”

                What are you on about?

                The Derbies & Big Blue will occur once every 9 matches.

                Whether it’s R1 or R9, it’s going to occur in one of those 9 matches.

                And it’ll occur once R10-R18.
                And it’ll occur once R19-R27

                Every team plays every opponent 3 times.

              • November 6th 2017 @ 1:15pm
                AR said | November 6th 2017 @ 1:15pm | ! Report

                Saturday night line-up for the start of the season, brought to you by new commercial FTA partner, Network TEN:

                Rd 1 – “Big Blue”.
                Rd 2 – Melb Derby.
                Rd 3 – Syd Derby.

                Fuss says this is not planned fixturing, but a random coincidence.

                This is life in the age of Trump for *some* ALeague fans.

              • November 6th 2017 @ 11:27am
                punter said | November 6th 2017 @ 11:27am | ! Report

                What is worse?

                A-League ‘fan boys’ talking AFL in a football tab or,

                AFL ‘fan boys’ talking football on a football tab.

                Who has the biggest insecurities?

              • November 6th 2017 @ 2:27pm
                Nemesis said | November 6th 2017 @ 2:27pm | ! Report

                So what if those fixtures were R1, R2, R3?
                The matches have to be played at some stage during the opening 9 rounds.

                Some say they’d be better off having been played R4, R5, R6.
                Matter of opinion.

                Same 3 fixtures will occur R10-R18.
                What difference does it make if it’s R10, R11, R12… or R16, R17, R18? The matches have to be played at some stage during those 9 rounds.

                And same 3 Fixtures will occur again R19-R27.
                What difference does it make if it’s R19, R20, R21… or R25, R26, R27? The matches have to be played at some stage during those 9 rounds.

                There is absolutely no logic to your comments.

              • November 6th 2017 @ 4:31pm
                AR said | November 6th 2017 @ 4:31pm | ! Report

                Yes Mr Trump, the fixture is all random coincidence.

                Just like the last 9 ALeague rounds, now known as “The Chase”, was an idea that was drawn out of a barrel.

      • November 6th 2017 @ 4:38pm
        Ken said | November 6th 2017 @ 4:38pm | ! Report

        Utter rubbish . Just look at all the international games with and without the Socceroos games played with two foreign teams like the recent Argentina and Brazil games in Melbourne the ICC games in Melbourne liverpool games in Sydney and Brisbane and Adelaide all sell outs it is the most popular sport in the country as a national sport when the Socceroos ave succes nothing unites a nation like football its just the powers that be can not manage the sport at junior levels and at state level and at national level all the sports adminsitrators at all the different levels do not communicate do not like each other therefore it’s run ad hoc .in NSW FNSW run their own show they don’t give a stuff about the sport in other states or nationally .the power brokers in each state are too self absorb with their power hungry selves .everyone agrees the A league needs to grow to sixteen teams to maintain interest and grow the sport but for the FFA and the power brokers in the FFA .its a good league the football is good but it’s not inclusive it feels exclusive now. Media and promotion is non existent

    • November 6th 2017 @ 7:16am
      Kangajets said | November 6th 2017 @ 7:16am | ! Report

      Newcastle crowd was poor , no excuse.

      With the form the jets are in , the next time they get Sunday 5 pm home game they will get back around the 12000.

      Unfortunately the next home game is an unfriendly Thursday night match .

      However what really concerned me was how bad the games were on the weekend.

      It’s like the Newcastle Jets are the only attack minded team in the competition.

      • November 6th 2017 @ 9:30am
        Marcel said | November 6th 2017 @ 9:30am | ! Report

        Kanga…I think maybe you are being a little hard on your fellow Jets supporters..I was on the Central Coast this weekend…The weather was absolutely perfect for staying at home and watching a free game on TV..Its one of the realities that we will have to accept with FTA coverage.

        Plus it was the Nux…lets face it …who doesnt use that round as a chance to get something else done.

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        November 6th 2017 @ 1:13pm
        Griffo said | November 6th 2017 @ 1:13pm | ! Report

        I was expecting a good 12K crowd (and a decent one for the W-League game before then) but when the weather set in I thought it would be low. I don’t think being on ONE helped.

        It’s an unusually low crowd figure, even considering some of the seasons we’ve had. Only way to know would be to ask. I don’t think there was too many other options that weekend or night, but I could be wrong.

        It’ll affect our season average but I’m not concerned.

        It looks worse on TV given the bulk of the crowd sits behind the cameras, and the upper Eastern has been closed for a few seasons.

    • November 6th 2017 @ 7:22am
      j,binnie said | November 6th 2017 @ 7:22am | ! Report

      Mike -Although it is much too early to be speculating on attendance figures which, as you are well aware, are wide openly affected by venue,scheduling,TV programming, not to mention too strongly, present playing form, it is rather surprising, that even despite the overall attendance to HAL matches at this point in time showing a drop of nearly 51,000, at this early stage there are 7 out of the 10 HAL clubs actually averaging more to their home games than the season long averages they “enjoyed” last season.
      Analysis and forecasting are affected by the potential at “derby “games and that figure from last season did include that mammoth 62,000 that attended the Sydney derby on opening day, a game that “only’ attracted 36,000 this year.
      (take away 26000 from this season’s calculations).
      For the record that figure has badly affected WSW ‘s stats as their average this season so far is 11,937 against last year’s 17746.
      The other “poor” performers are Roar, 11,451 compared to last seasons 13, 892. -and –
      Melbourne City 9,838 against last season’s (derby affected) 10,593.
      These figures are all correct as of today but as you say there are some deep underlying factors that are no doubt affecting attendances at our elite level. Time for some action .Cheers jb.

      • November 6th 2017 @ 9:01am
        chris said | November 6th 2017 @ 9:01am | ! Report

        JB you make it sound like there were 30,000 less at this seasons Sydney derby. Football stadium only holds around 40k!
        Will be interesting to see what the crowd is on Dec 9 (i think thats the correct date) for the next derby – which will be at the Olympic stadium

        • November 6th 2017 @ 9:14am
          Fadida said | November 6th 2017 @ 9:14am | ! Report

          Wasn’t the first derby last year played at ANZ, capacity 80k?

          • November 6th 2017 @ 9:25am
            chris said | November 6th 2017 @ 9:25am | ! Report

            Yes I believe so. And?

            • November 6th 2017 @ 9:47am
              Fadida said | November 6th 2017 @ 9:47am | ! Report

              I thought it was obvious Chris

              • November 6th 2017 @ 9:53am
                chris said | November 6th 2017 @ 9:53am | ! Report

                Huh? My point was lets wait until the derby is played at Olympic stadium in December before making comparisons (which some people are so fixated in making).

          • November 6th 2017 @ 9:33am
            spruce moose said | November 6th 2017 @ 9:33am | ! Report

            Clearly then you need to wait for the ANZ hosted derby to make a more accurate comment.

        • November 6th 2017 @ 1:22pm
          j,binnie said | November 6th 2017 @ 1:22pm | ! Report

          Chris- the attendance at the opening day derby match between WSW and Sydney FC played on 8/10 last year was 61,880.This year the “opposite ” derby played on 21/10 ( Sydney”s “home “game) drew 35,792. OK? jb.

          • November 6th 2017 @ 1:28pm
            Nemesis said | November 6th 2017 @ 1:28pm | ! Report

            That’s ridiculous, jb. And you know it.

            If the MelbDerby is played at AAMI Park it will always attract lower numbers than if played at Docklands because the capacity of the stadium is lower.

            • November 6th 2017 @ 3:04pm
              j,binnie said | November 6th 2017 @ 3:04pm | ! Report

              Nemesis – Your off again on one of your “trips”. The two figures I have quoted are actual figures, for actual games, on actual dates.
              This was not in any way related to the size or capacity of the venues at which the games were played and in no way was a comparison between Sydney and Melbourne ever mentioned.
              So what is “ridiculous” about that.? Cheers jb.

              • November 6th 2017 @ 3:15pm
                Nemesis said | November 6th 2017 @ 3:15pm | ! Report

                jb, my apologies. Great facts. Very useful insights. Keep up the good work.

          • November 6th 2017 @ 2:00pm
            chris said | November 6th 2017 @ 2:00pm | ! Report

            ok what exactly? Whats your point? Are you going to quibble about a few thousand here and there?

            • November 6th 2017 @ 3:10pm
              j,binnie said | November 6th 2017 @ 3:10pm | ! Report

              Chris -Don’t know how skilled you are in figurative analysis but in trying to do some sort of comparison it is always good procedure to look at figures which, due to their differentials can be considered or ignored.
              No one is “quibbling about a few thousand”, we are simply discussing the differentials and resultant differences that can occur when doing comparisons.
              Go back to the fIrst line of my comment and you will see the remark “it is too early to do a comparison on crowds” OK? jb

    • November 6th 2017 @ 7:38am
      Onside said | November 6th 2017 @ 7:38am | ! Report

      The pessimist; ” the stadiums are half empty”.
      The optimist ; ” the stadiums are half full”.
      The engineer; ” the stadiums are the wrong size”

      • November 6th 2017 @ 7:52am
        Waz said | November 6th 2017 @ 7:52am | ! Report

        The stadiums aren’t even half full/empty … but yes, the engineer has it right (as always)

      • November 6th 2017 @ 9:11am
        Phil of Sydney said | November 6th 2017 @ 9:11am | ! Report

        If the crowds are going to be in the low to mid teens then don’t hold matches in 50,000+ seat stadiums.

        It would be much better to be dealing with the issue of selling out a 25-30,000 seat stadium a few times a season than filling big stadiums to a quarter of their capacity.

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