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The chief executive of the ARU, John O’Neill, has responded to questions from The Roar, generated by dozens of contributions from readers, with a detailed and positive review of where rugby is at in Australia and around the world.
His predictions for where rugby will be in ten years time are bullish.
He is confident, for instance, that in October the IOC will vote rugby, by way of the Sevens, back into the Olympic Games, after a gap of over 80 years and that the code will be second only to football in its international presence, while being strong domestically in Australia.
A driver of this strength will be a ‘major integration’ with the Asia/Pacific region, with additional Super Rugby teams, including at least one side and possibly more from Japan.
This is the sort of vision that The Roar readers were looking to be expressed from the general tone of the questions that they put forward for O’Neill to answer.
There will be, or should be, a vigorous discussion from readers about O’Neill’s answer to the more local issues of what the ARU can do to stimulate rugby at the local level, with more corporate connections and more resources put into the western suburbs of Sydney.
The input on these issues will be read by the ARU, which should encourage a vigorous discussion on what has been done, so far.
We were taken with the interesting comment that the television commentators were invited to a briefing on the laws of rugby. The implication is that this invitation was not accepted.
Judging by the misinformation that often comes from the television commentary, there is a need for the invitation to be accepted next year when it is offered.
This small matter does illustrate, however, that all the members of the rugby community – the commentators, the journalists, the players, the coaches, the officials and the supporters – have a role to play in growing the game.
For readers of The Roar that role right now is to subject the O’Neill dossier to the searching and informed discussion it deserves.
EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW WITH JOHN O’NEILL
These questions were posed by The Roar readers on this article.
How can rugby parlay its unique strengths on a global level so the Wallabies can benefit from greater support and greater access to superior young athletes?
“The Australian market is inherently different to those of our major Rugby-playing competitors around the world. There are four football codes in this country competing for spectators, broadcasting airtime, sponsorship and playing talent.
For the Wallabies, and Australian Rugby in general, to benefit from a great strength of our game – its genuine international appeal and our own place near the top of the world standings – we need to expand our domestic footprint.
By creating more mass presence for rugby at the upper levels of the game, we enhance its profile and popularity and therefore the ability to leverage those key components of support and revenue.
And it is not only about more teams in Super Rugby. It is about a greater presence for our season: an expanded Super Rugby competition that extends through to August, rather than ending in May.
It is about a more seamless approach to the season rather than a series of chunks carved out of the year as rugby moves in then out of the limelight.
If we have a greater presence, there will be more opportunities for players, and therefore a more enticing career path on offer to younger athletes when the time comes for them to decide on a sport of preference.
The Strategic Imperatives set down by ARU in early 2008 recognised the need for a greater domestic presence.
They also indicated the need for us to tap into bigger commercial markets and we have started along that path with a Bledisloe Cup match in Hong Kong last year and another in Tokyo later this year.”
What has been done to get corporate connections to be more involved at a local level?
Australian Rugby has always encouraged its partners to be connected with the game at various levels. ARU programs conducted through Community Rugby – EdRugby, Walla Rugby and various other development initiatives – provide opportunities for our partners to support.
The ARU also provides extensive grants to the NSW and Queensland Rugby Unions for Premier Rugby clubs, while also supporting other affiliated unions.
This financial assistance allows the clubs more scope when deciding how to expend their own sponsorship revenue. It is equally worthy of mention that Wallabies coach Robbie Deans has led a back-to-the-clubs approach with national squad players over the past two seasons.
This can only assist clubs in their own pursuit of on field success and off-field support via gate takings and sponsorship.”
What has been done to put more resources into the western suburbs of Sydney, the heartland for most of the major Australian sports? And what has been done to make rugby a more classless game in Australia?
“We have spoken to the Parramatta club in recent times about some of the challenges facing them and we will be attempting to help them find solutions into the future.
Make no mistake: ARU wants a strong presence in the western suburbs of Sydney. We were delighted to support the young men from Prairiewood High School when they campaigned earlier this year as the sole Australian representative at the World Youth Tournament in Japan.
Their coach Jarrod Hodges, who is also coaching at the Penrith club, is a wonderful resource for our game and deserves special mention for his contribution.
Significantly, ARU and NSW Rugby Union have this year combined forces on the Community Rugby front, and there is no doubt we will be looking to improve our presence and impact in the west. Parramatta, West Harbour and Eastwood, in Sydney’s north-west, have produced a galaxy of Wallabies in the past 20 years.
The interest in the west has also been underlined by the Expression of Interest lodged by western Sydney to be part of the 15th Super Rugby team selection process.
As for rugby becoming a more classless game, I think the days of our code being seen as a leather patches brigade are long gone.
The number of players in our ranks these days who come from what would have once been described as “non-traditional” rugby backgrounds puts that myth to rest.”
What is being done to demystify rugby for television viewers and spectators alike?
“Understanding the game and a referee’s interpretations of the laws is a problem borne from the fact that Rugby is a complex sport. We have competitive scrums, we have breakdowns and lineouts, and a sense of the unexpected that the other codes do not possess. In one way it adds to the beauty of rugby, in another it causes confusion because of the number of laws that can come into play.
We did make attempts earlier this year to assist viewers by inviting commentators to take part in a thorough laws briefing. We will do the same next season because commentary teams have an important role to play in the education of television viewers.”
Are you happy with the proposed changes to the laws of Rugby, the modified ELVs, and are there law reforms that will come after the 2011 Rugby World Cup?
“ARU spent a great deal of time preparing submissions to the IRB on law changes earlier this year, and with our SANZAR partners we gave the IRB full support in terms of trialling ELVs.
Were we satisfied with where the ELVs debate ended?
Put it this way, we were enormously disappointed that Northern Hemisphere nations refused to trial certain Experimental Law Variations, despite previous guarantees they gave to the IRB. You cannot make valued judgments without trialling.
As for any reforms after the next Rugby World Cup, we will have to wait and see.”
What is the future of Super Rugby?
“There will be expansion in 2011 with an additional team being added to take the competition to 15 sides. It should not be overlooked, however, that Super Rugby will also be revamped from a format perspective. The 15 teams from 2011 will be split into three conferences – the Australian Conference, the New Zealand Conference and the South African Conference. Each conference will house five teams each.
Those five teams will play each other on a home and away basis, giving them eight “local derbies” per season. They will also play four of the five teams in the other two conferences, either home or away.
Those extra eight matches give each team 16 games a season. With two byes and then an extended six-team final series over three weeks, the 2011 Super Rugby season will run to 21 weeks in total. That is an additional five weeks compared to the 2009 Super Rugby season.
The number of matches overall also increases from 94 to 125. The number of games in Australia increases from 26 to 40.
These are significant numbers.
SANZAR, of course, is in the process of identifying contenders for and then selecting the 15th team to be added to Super Rugby in 2011.
However, expansion will not end there.
There is scope for further growth of the competition in the future. These are exciting times for our game. Super Rugby expansion is again in keeping with ARU’s Strategic Imperatives, which also touch on the need to bring private investment into the game.
People refer to our “sudden” desire to look for private equity in our teams as Super Rugby moves forward.
The need to encourage but also carefully control private equity in the game was recognized when our Strategic Imperatives were formulated 18 months ago.”
When will Rugby in Australia get a national domestic competition like the other football codes?
“What needs to be understood is that the NRL, the AFL and the A-League competitions effectively represent the first or second tiers of those codes.
Rugby league has State of Origin and an occasional Test match above the NRL competition. The A-League sits below the Socceroos’ calendar of games. The AFL has only its club competition. In Rugby, we have the Wallabies’ international program as tier one and then Super Rugby as tier two.
A national domestic competition therefore becomes the third tier of the game.
The challenge therefore, if a third tier competition is to be staged on a national basis, is how to make it financially viable and subsequently sustainable in the long term. The ARC lost more than $5 million in its first and only year. The ARU’s current reserves are $15 million.
Do the math.
Premier Rugby currently fills that third tier in our game and the competitions have been strengthened immeasurably by the infusion of Wallaby players over the last couple of years.”
When will nations like Canada, USA, Argentina, Japan and China be brought into an Asia-Pacific conference involving Australia and New Zealand?
“There has been dialogue with Argentina about their future involvement with SANZAR countries. They want to be part of a Four Nations Test championship.
There are still issues that require resolution, however, with Argentina’s leading players mostly contracted to Northern Hemisphere clubs.
We have a good relationship with Japan and have kept them abreast of developments on the Super Rugby front.
They were not ready on this occasion to seek entry as the additional team when Super Rugby expands in 2011. In terms of other developing nations, we are open to dialogue about the future.
SANZAR will expand further in the years ahead and anything is possible.”
Where do you see rugby in ten years time in Australia in comparison with the other football codes?
“Second only to football in terms of having a truly international presence and a strong domestic game; Rugby to be an Olympic sport via the Sevens program; Major integration with the Asia/Pacific region, with additional Super Rugby teams, including a side or sides in Japan; A continued upholding of the culture, ethos and traditions of the game; Rugby to be a positive influence on Australia’s youth.”
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July 28th 2009 @ 8:04am
CraigB said | July 28th 2009 @ 8:04am | Report comment
Hey JON – How about shaving a mil or so off the asking price for the TV rights to get back a little control and demand that the successful rights bidder put at least Test matches on live around the nation. It is ridiculous being in South Australia and having to wait until 1AM to see NZ vs Aus. Luckily I have Foxtel, but others are not so fortunate and its only by showing the showcase games that the game will grow in these areas.
July 28th 2009 @ 8:09am
fred said | July 28th 2009 @ 8:09am | Report comment
hope the future for rugby union is less sad than the forlorn photo of our 3 heroes.
July 28th 2009 @ 8:21am
Bill said | July 28th 2009 @ 8:21am | Report comment
For those of us keen on seeing a national rugby competition get off the ground John O’Neill has plainly indicated in his comment above that it won’t be happening under his watch!!
July 28th 2009 @ 8:26am
sheek said | July 28th 2009 @ 8:26am | Report comment
Fred,
Clever connection pickup on the photo!
John O’Neill has provided some useful answers to some questions, but played the politician on many others.
O’Neill says, “ARU ‘wants’ a presence in the western suburbs of Sydney”. He talks about CommunityRugby & its various arms, the usefulness of which I remain sceptical. But he is light on exactly how the ARU/NSWRU will develop a sustained rugby pathway in Western Sydney.
Having Western Sydney bid for a super license is meaningless, especially if the bid fails, & logic suggests it will.
O’Neill says, “Parramatta, West Harbour & Eastwood, in Sydney’s north-west, have produced a galaxy of Wallabies in the past 20 years”. That should read The Kings School, St.Joseph’s College & perhaps St.Ignatius College &/or Newington College. It’s still the private schools, with the help of scholarships, who are driving the production line.
Nor do I believe the class barriers have been significantly broken down. Yes, it’s happening, but the perception lags behind the reality.
July 28th 2009 @ 8:41am
sheek said | July 28th 2009 @ 8:41am | Report comment
It’s just my opinion, & I’m obviously in the minority here, but I reckon the proposed direction of the super concept is all wrong. While I believe the move to 15 franchises in 3 x 5 conferences will be an improvement on the current model, it doesn’t change the fact in my view, that the domestic/international structure is entirely wrong.
Having overseen the football/soccer remodelling in Australia, I believe O’Neill ought to be striving for something similar in rugby union to that established by FFA & Asia Confederation. That is, the S15 or whatever, ought to be a qualification tournament, like the Asia Cup or Heineken Cup.
Qualification is via various domestic national comps. South Africa & New Zealand would certainly appreciate & welcome such a structure. It would also allow Australian rugby to develop it’s own national comp, along either provincial or national club lines.
Under current guidelines, Australian rugby can provide only 5 fully professional teams. By a domestic comp route, the ARU might be able to establish 8-10 semi (or 3/4) -professional teams, with a core of about 40 signed up fully professional Wallabies per year (ala Australian cricket).
I just think, long-term, SANZAR/ARU are heading down the wrong path entirely. Personally, & I’ve given this some serious thought, if Australia fails to win the 15th super license, I will no longer follow the game. I have plenty of alternatives.
I also remain sceptical that Sevens rugby is a “shoo-in” for the Olympics. And even if it is selected as an Olympic sport, it remains to be seen how effectively Sevens rugby will help the development of 15 man rugby.
July 28th 2009 @ 9:32am
AndyRoo said | July 28th 2009 @ 9:32am | Report comment
Your champions league suggestion is a pretty interesting one.
In regards to Premier Rugby, if there is never going to be ARC then I would like too see the NSW comp cut in half. Keep all the old sydney clubs in one confrence and then service the rest of NSW with the other. That way NSW rugby would finaly be free to expand without having to fight the old clubs. You could have Penrith, Parramatta, Canberra, Illawarra, Newcastle, Central Coast and NSW Country. And it wouldn’t hurt the gates of the old teams. It also wouldn’t cost 5 million a season but would open up a pathway for young players that doesn’t involve moving to Sydney.
For me personally NSW rugby jumped the shark when the Vikings had to play in QLD.
July 28th 2009 @ 1:58pm
Spencer said | July 28th 2009 @ 1:58pm | Report comment
Andy – I like the suggestion for the NSW comps. Also be a nice little title fight at the seasons end petween the winners of each comp. Snobs vs Westies.
July 28th 2009 @ 8:49am
Yikes said | July 28th 2009 @ 8:49am | Report comment
I agree with Sheek in that JON has not provided much substance and danced around a few of the questions.
I disagree with Sheek’s comment about Western Sydney. Many of the kids coming through at this stage are not private school kids any more. Some of the best are from the sports high schools – Endeavour, Hills, Westfields, etc.
Have a look at the recently selected Australian Schoolboys! One Joeys kids in the whole 40 names, and about 8 from a state high school in Brisbane. That would be unthinkable a few years ago.
July 28th 2009 @ 1:24pm
Sammy22 said | July 28th 2009 @ 1:24pm | Report comment
It has moved Yikes agree but the State High School in Brisbane is the only state high school in the GPS comp and gives ‘scholarships’ to budding players from not only other High schools in Brisbane but pupils at AIC and TAS schools
July 28th 2009 @ 9:03am
Hammer said | July 28th 2009 @ 9:03am | Report comment
“However, expansion will not end there.” … really? – it may well be in the ARU interest but I can’t see either SA or NZ signing up for continual expansion at the expense of their domestic competitions … it’s obvious that there are zero plans for a domestic competition in Australia and the ARU’s only plan is to continually go back to he same well time and time again
July 28th 2009 @ 9:09am
Spiro Zavos said | July 28th 2009 @ 9:09am | Report comment
I was taken with John O’Neill’s explanation about the various tiers of rugby union in Australia compared with rugby league and AFL football. His emphasis is on club rugby as the third tier, rather than a provincial tournament as they have in New Zealand and Australia. Club rugby has historically been the engine producing Wallabies, as Australian rugby went down a different path in the 1900s to those followed in NZ and South Africa.
There are reports with the Wallabies playing for their clubs of renewed interest in the club matches. This is excellent for it returns rugby to its true grassroots.
But we need Super 14 teams like the Western Force and the ACT Brumbies to be told in no uncertain manner, or fined if necessary, about taking overseas tours and pulling Super 14 players out of the club competitions as they get near the finals.
July 28th 2009 @ 11:16am
Hansie said | July 28th 2009 @ 11:16am | Report comment
The trouble with fining the Brumbies and Force for going on overseas tours during the club competition is that the Brumbies and Force are currently excluded from the major club competitions. The NSWRU has never provided any assistance to the ACT, and the Vikings so dominated the Queensland competition that they were excluded after 3 years. The Brumbies and Force can only give some of their players quality rugby, outside of the Super 14, by going on tours.
Some of Mr O’Neill’s comments were informative, but I would have liked to hear his views on the experiment of raiding rugby league, which he initiated and spend considerable amounts of ARU money pursuing. His words on western Sydney were evasive, and suburbs like Parramatta and Eastwood have not been outer suburbs for over 40 years.
July 28th 2009 @ 4:10pm
AndyS said | July 28th 2009 @ 4:10pm | Report comment
Spiro,
When you say “historically” with respect to club rugby, I presume you mean pre-professionalism? Because Wallabies are now produced through the relatively limited opportunities made available by Super rugby. Kids go straight there from school, and when lightning strikes and someone is picked out of club rugby they have a two year conditioning program ahead of them to reach the physical standards required. We perhaps need to let go of some of the historical perspective.
I personally disagree with JO’N designating any ARC competition as third tier, with the clear implication that it is third class. At the time of year it would be running, it would be second tier, just like the NRL – i.e there would be the single Test matches (when we are not on a two or three week bye, as we are now) and the national competition. For a large chunk of the time, the ARC would be the best rugby being played in the country.
As Hansie observes, club rugby by definition excludes two of the four provinces (and soon to be three). It is the equivalent of the AFL saying that, if anyone from the Eagles, Sydney etc are not in the first team, they have to play in the VFL. It is the very antithesis of the ambition to become a national sport.
July 28th 2009 @ 9:13am
Bring Back Rucking said | July 28th 2009 @ 9:13am | Report comment
well again no vision for junior club rugby structures. The banner is flown about Prairiewood High but one school is really just a marketing tool by the ARU proclaiming “look at what we are doing”. Funding to the state unions is also a crock and bs response. I am a President of a good sized junior sydney club and we see not one dollar spent, at our level, in any meaningfull way. I have spoken with other Presidents and our club is not on it’s own in this respect. Supposedly the ARU funding via state unions to Premier clubs brings with it a conditions that certain funds be spent on the club district juniors. This certainly does not happen in our area. I really hope this is not the case in other districts as well. WHAT AUDITING IS DONE BY ARU AND STATE UNIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE MONEY AND SUPPORT IS FILTERING TO JUNIORS??—IN OUR CASE NONE.
Also, the ARU has a responsibility to coordinate better competitions and pathways for juniors by forcing school and club administrators to work together on reducing multiple administration levels and strengthening competitions. There are two many pissant competitions protected by old school tie types.This is where some meaningful resources can be spent, by overhauling the current model. They could well start by having a look at the Kiwi junior model. Wonder why they kiwi’s keep bringing through great new talent?
July 28th 2009 @ 8:07pm
Yikes said | July 28th 2009 @ 8:07pm | Report comment
Bring Back Rucking – what a largely ludicrous post.
Not one dollar is spent at your level? Really?
There are no courses such as SmartRugby run for your coaches and parents to ensure your players are safe? No coach courses and touch judge courses? There are no websites with coaching resources and sessions online to ensure your players get the best experience they can? There are no booklets and DVDs produced? There are no development officers in your region working with schoolkids during the day, running gala days in your region and being available to help with skilling your coaches at training sessions? There are no paid staff administering your competition and managing results, conducting judiciaries?
What do you want, a cheque? Rugby is not league or NRL. We don’t have their resources. The money must be spent where it does the most good, in shared services to all. The quickest way for ARU etc to go stone motherless broke would be to give every junior club some money. And if they did, where would that money go? And how would the people who spend it be held accountable?
You are correct in saying that a small proportion of the money NSWRU gives to the Premiership clubs was originally (ie back in 1999!!) intended to be spent on local development. Such specific agreements have long since ceased and so there is no auditing.
I agree with your comment on better competitions and pathways for juniors and schools. Rugby’s pathways are a total shambles. The problem which you fail to realise is, neither ARU nor NSWRU have the slightest control over these pathways. Sydney Juniors and NSW Schools do their own thing, and often tell NSWRU to go get stuffed whenever they want. The only recourse for the State Union would be to withhold funding – and then just watch the people whose patch of turf is affected run straight to Alan Jones, or Greg Growden and cry foul.
The mess of pathways is a problem will not be fixed until the committees and zones and schools etc get together and vote their current structure out of existence to make way for a better pathway – ie. NEVER!
July 28th 2009 @ 9:20am
sheek said | July 28th 2009 @ 9:20am | Report comment
Yikes,
Thanks for that. If the high schools are driving the development of future Wallabies, then that’s fantastic news indeed. And I would like to expand on that theme.
Just as it’s unsustainable to think the Sydney & Brisbane private schools can continue to underpin the future talent of Australian rugby union, it’s further unsustainable to think that NSW & Queensland as a whole, can continue to underpin the future the majority of future Wallabies.
At a time when Australian rugby can’t produce sufficient quality props from its NSW & Qld nurseries, wouldn’t it be fantastic if WA, Victoria or SA could provide that shortfall??? At other times in other positions, it might again be WA, Vic or SA providing the markup where NSW, ACT & Qld have slumped.
WA was first admitted to the Sheffield Shield cricket comp in 1947/48. It took another 25 years before the Australian cricket team took the field for the 5th Ashes test of the 1972 tour for WA to field six players, 5 of them homegrown. And in Dennis Lillee, WA produced our finest fast bowler to date.
Wouldn’t it be fantastic for one day to have a Wallaby team dominated by players from WA, Vic & SA, & to be a strong team? But it might take 20-30 years. And we have to start now.
The super concept is too narrow to provide for sufficient domestic teams.
Two of Melbourne, Western Sydney & Gold Coast will be gutted by the latest bidding process for the 5th super team (if indeed not all 3). When next will they get an opportunity? And what about Adelaide, Central Coast, Newcastle & others also crying out for an opportunity?
July 28th 2009 @ 10:04am
Justin said | July 28th 2009 @ 10:04am | Report comment
Sheek – I agree with your point. It was great to note at the schoolboy champs the other week that QLD played Combined States (ie WA, VIC, SA etc) in the final and not NSW. That led to a good representation of boys not from QLD/NSW getting into the AUS Schoolboys and the “A” Team.
July 28th 2009 @ 4:16pm
AndyS said | July 28th 2009 @ 4:16pm | Report comment
Really – you would call only two players from the Combined States side a good representation, as opposed to eight from the two lower finishing NSW sides?