The case for Joel Griffiths and Sasa Ognenovski
By Mike Tuckerman, 30 Apr 2010 Mike Tuckerman is a Roar Expert
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I wouldn’t like to be Matthew Spiranovic right now. The Australian stopper is yet to feature in a single minute of J. League action for new club Urawa Reds, suggesting that the elegant defender has little hope of making Pim Verbeek’s World Cup squad.
Spiranovic has so far been limited to two starts in the League Cup, with the former Nürnberg man finding the incumbent central defensive partnership of Nobuhisa Yamada and Keisuke Tsuboi a tough nut to crack.
A costly mistake in a pre-season friendly against J2 side Tokushima Vortis didn’t help, and in truth there’s no reason for coach Volker Finke to break up what has looked a reasonably solid defensive unit so far.
But if Spiranovic’s name is still being bandied about in terms of World Cup squad selection – albeit less conspicuously than it was six months ago – what of Joel Griffiths and Sasa Ognenovski?
If pundits and fans alike think that riding the pine in the J. League is good enough to book a World Cup ticket, what’s the value of scoring goals or anchoring a bruising defence in the AFC Champions League?
Griffiths has been in superb form for Beijing Guoan this season, opening the scoring in their do-or-die group stage showdown with Kawasaki Frontale, as the Chinese side won through to the Round of 16 in front of a raucous home crowd.
Whether it’s the big crowds or just better service, Griffiths has looked electrifying in Guoan green – scoring goals, creating space and generally proving a constant nuisance to opposing defences.
His speed and finishing could prove useful in South Africa, but when it comes to discussion of his potential role in the national team, it seems to start and end with the fact that Verbeek doesn’t rate his work ethic and seems to fear his bouts of ill-discipline.
And so it arguably should.
Verbeek is, after all, paid to pick whichever players he sees fit, and one talented individual doesn’t always slot seamlessly into a tightly-knit squad.
But with Australia’s depth in question, surely we can ask whether an explosive talent like Griffiths couldn’t do a job for the Socceroos off the bench?
The same goes for Ognenovski, who has also been in stellar form for South Korean outfit Seongnam Ilhwa as they finished top of their Champions League group, ending the group stage campaign with a gritty 3-2 win over Melbourne Victory.
Both Griffiths and Ognenovski offer useful alternatives, yet the pair look set to suffer from the sort of personality politics that dictate the make-up of most World Cup squads.
The one player I’m not convinced by is Eddy Bosnar – but if we’re going to discuss the merits of potential bolters, as I recently did with my fellow Roar colleague Ben Somerford, then why has no one mentioned Bosnar’s ability to score from free-kicks?
Granted, it’s not exactly the sort of quality you’re going to look for in a player off the bench, but the left-footed stopper strikes a venomous dead ball, and since the quality of Australia’s set pieces has been poor of late, is it not worth considering that Bosnar can at least offer something different?
At times the issue of squad selection has felt like an open-and-shut case – that it’s “Pim’s way or the highway,” and the likes of Griffiths and Ognenovski will just have to pay the price for not pledging their allegience to the Verbeek camp quickly enough.
That’s all well and good if you’ve got a squad bursting with talent, but with injuries and a lack of game time already hurting the Socceroos, I would have thought that you could at least throw Griffiths and Ognenovski in there somewhere.
Like everyone else, I know full well that Verbeek couldn’t care less what the media thinks.
But given their outstanding form in the AFC Champions League to date, surely there’s a case to consider Joel Griffiths and Sasa Ognenovski for World Cup selection?
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rovingto2011 said | April 30th 2010 @ 6:43am | Report comment
The Ogmonster and especially Bosnar should be there for me, even at this late stage. Shimizu are doing well this year and he’s starting. Puts him ahead of many others on the Verbeek shortlist. He shouldn’t be penalised for Pim not considering him earlier… same goes for Sasa. I’m scared to death of a creaking Craig Moore in South Africa.
Bosnar can hit a free kick as u mention. But why aren’t u convinced by him in general? I know u watch a bit of J-League so am keen to know as i’ve only just started following it this last two seasons. Couldn’t he play LB as well as centre back? I like him ahead of Moore and Chippers/Carney tbh. At least for the pre-tournament friendlies to see how it goes.
drew777 said | April 30th 2010 @ 7:51am | Report comment
Well, does Bosnar have the same effect going forward that Chippers/Carney/Wilkshire have? It is a dodgy move to bring player in this late IMO because as well as not played under his system, it might cause unrest amongst the other players when guys who have been there for a decent time and not played too badly get dropped.
rovingto2011 said | April 30th 2010 @ 8:08am | Report comment
yeah the squad stability thing is an issue. Though maybe bringing someone new in can freshen things up and make players value their spots more. Adds pressure which i think our team needs more of. On going forward… I don’t know if we need players on either side of defense playing that role, if Wilkshire is at RB that might be enough. Leaves us with three back for safety especially as Bosnar can play centrally.
Mike Tuckerman said | April 30th 2010 @ 2:49pm | Report comment
Bosnar’s an out-and-out stopper. Decent player in the J. League, but I’m not sure how his tactical awareness and technique would hold up in the international arena.
punter said | April 30th 2010 @ 8:17am | Report comment
While Craig Moore is an absolute legend as a socceroo, his performances in recent years does not match up with Ogenovski, who I do not understand (apart from the supposive clash of personatily between Pim & the big man.
Eddie said | April 30th 2010 @ 8:21am | Report comment
Both Ognenovski and Joel Griffiths should should go to the World Cup, unfortunately that doesn’t necessarily mean they will.
Sam said | April 30th 2010 @ 8:23am | Report comment
I just heard that Nathan Burns club which he is on loan to got promoted to the Greek first division. He had a good season and scored a few goals. Is he any chance? I am a fan of his.
Eamonn Flanagan said | April 30th 2010 @ 8:58am | Report comment
Come on Mike you can’t be serious. Have you ever seen Joel G play for the Socceroos? We’re talking international football, the World Cup, not Asia, or the Chinese league or a waltz in the park against Muscat and his rag tag mates.
Playing in Asia and all that Mike, wasn’t that what Pim meant by the “A” in his “playing in the A-League” statement.
I love the ACL but let’s face it Joel Griffiths hasn’t turned into superstar World Class striker since moving from the Jets, and the Big O is doing well but Germany aint the K-League or Victory forward line with all due respect.
The Big O is just way too inexperienced and he’s only ever played in Asia. To take him at this stage shows the level of desperation we have reached, maybe with our “star Leeds Utd defender” out, maybe we have reached that level of desperation
And while we’re on Asia, don’t be surprised to see Japan pumped in the World Cup despite their showings in Asia…still no goalscorers of real class. That 3-0 flogging by Serbia seconds makes me more scared for Japan’s showing at the World Cup even that our own.
Only South Korea and a dogged Australia can save Asia’s showing at this World Cup. And how far will any Asian team go!
The weakest federation you’d think, even the USA or Mexico will go further
Has Asia football development at the top level come to a big halt?
Mike Tuckerman said | April 30th 2010 @ 3:04pm | Report comment
The fact that Dragan Stojkovic plied his trade in the J. League didn’t seem to bother FR Yugoslavia when they made him their captain at the 1998 World Cup and Euro 2000, but here in Australia we can’t seem to get over this notion that Asian football is somehow markedly inferior to the rest of the world.
Tom said | April 30th 2010 @ 9:49am | Report comment
Ognenovski should be worth a look. Particularly with Kisnorbo out and Spiranovic not playing. Should at least be ahead of Colosimo and North.
But Griffiths is way too much of a risk to bring in at this late stage.
TheMagnificent11 said | April 30th 2010 @ 10:09am | Report comment
My squad would be.
Keepers: Schwarzer, Galekovic, Federici
Defenders: Wilkshire, Williams (if fit), Moore, Neill, Bosnar, Ognenovski, Chpperfield, Carney
Defensive Midfielders: Grella, Cullina, Veleri, Jedinak
Attackers: Emerton, Cahill, Kewell, Kennedy, Carle, McDonald, Griffiths, Bresciano
However, I think Milligan will get picked ahead of Ogy/Bosnar. Also think Holman will get picked ahead of Carle/Griffiths.
jimbo said | April 30th 2010 @ 10:28am | Report comment
Agree that Griffiths and Ogenovski should be in the travelling party, but hasn’t the big Og already played for Macedonia and is ineligible for the Socceroos.
TheMagnificent11 said | April 30th 2010 @ 10:52am | Report comment
I thought that too, but apparently he was picked but didn’t get on the field. So he’s still eligible for Aus.
whiskeymac said | April 30th 2010 @ 11:19am | Report comment
yes these players are doing well on the ACL stage (as for example so has Langerak and Leckie) but really you cant have players with questionable temprament in the WC.
not just for squad harmony and the maangers respect but, and the well documented dummy spits aside, its the ill discipline that is the biggest worry (sideline nut swipe). Is it worth the potentuial disaster of a sending off of frustrated and fiery griffiths or bosnar (who i thought had a poor disciplinary record in JLeague footy?)(both who wld almost certainly be targeted by canny germans and serbs) – we were shown up by the Italians smarts re:Grosso, and Neill was EPL experienced, we need players who can be relied upon and more importantly that the manager can rely upon.
the issue for me is not that these guys shld be going to the WC, but they should have been tried out in the qualifiers or Asian Cups. a long time ago. but they werent and unfortunately, for them in particular, i think they will be looked over for the next, younger, generation of which we have Djite, Burns, Devere, Kantarovski, Vidosic, williams, lowry etc etc
gazz said | April 30th 2010 @ 1:22pm | Report comment
I dont know where this talk of a personal rift comes from… is there any proof. Sure, Griffiths is a douche, but thats nothing personal. He just lacks discipline.
Same applies with Ognenovski, where’s this personal rift? Isn’t it just that Verbeek thinks he’d be better off playing for Macedonia. And isn’t Bosnar just not very good.