It’s time for unity behind our World Cup bid
By Adrian Musolino, 10 May 2010 Adrian Musolino is a Roar Expert
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The news that the AFL, the NRL, Australian Rugby Union (ARU), the Football Federation Australia (FFA) and the Federal Government have signed off on a memorandum of understanding in regard to a prospective Australian World Cup hopefully represents a turning point for the bid and a new sense of unity behind it.
While the finer details of the agreement were not made public, the most crucial aspect is that the AFL, NRL and Super 15 seasons will continue and relocate away from the stadiums that will be needed for the World Cup – the MCG, Skilled Stadium, Subiaco Oval, Gold Coast Stadium and Adelaide Oval – and the bid will comply with FIFA’s strict requirements.
The agreement will obviously involve some type of compensation to the codes for having to relocate during the tournament, and it seems, according to the statement, that all the issues involved in Australia’s hosting of a World Cup in relation to other codes have been addressed and consensus reached.
According to AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou, “All matters are now resolved and we, like all Australians, will continue to throw our support behind Australia’s bid for the soccer World Cup.”
With the World Cup bid book on its way to Switzerland to be digested by FIFA, the agreement back in Australia will come as a welcome relief to fans that watched as the bid was being derailed and hijacked by the ongoing discussions and public squabbles involving stadium availability.
Let’s hope this is the last we hear of such squabbles and that this agreement represents a turning point for the bid.
On Friday I wrote that our World Cup bid had suffered in silence as these codes set the agenda in the press by focusing more on what Australia would lose by staging the tournament rather than what we would gain.
On the back of this news, it’s time for the FFA to ramp up the volume of our bid and generate some momentum and excitement around it by telling Australia what a World Cup on our shores would mean; how it will be a tournament for all Australians and not just football fans; and why it shouldn’t be feared by non-football fans.
If the spirit of the agreement is maintained and respected, then the FFA shouldn’t expect the rival codes to hijack their case.
On the other side of the fence, it would help football’s cause if some of its fans and pundits now toned down their anti-domestic code tirades, particularly if these codes do respect the agreement.
Such tirades only fueled the “code war” schism that overshadowed the bid.
If these governing bodies can come to an agreement with all the complexities of the stadium negotiations and compensations, then surely fans can do likewise and all back the bid.
The World Cup is for all Australians, and it’s now time for the focus to switch to what it would bring to Australia and working towards making it happen.
It’s time for the next stage of our World Cup bid, with a united Australia behind it.
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Towser said | May 10th 2010 @ 7:53am | Report comment
Common sense wins as it should.
The skirmishes are sorted ,now to the battlefield of FIFA & the rest of the bids.
One of those other bids being the USA, who already are sticking the boot into Australia’s supposed weaknesses:-
http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/2018-world-cup/news/997742/US-bid-looking-strong
JamesP said | May 10th 2010 @ 10:13am | Report comment
Yes I read that article – and there is no way Australia can compete on Stadia, population or dollars. The only think we have going for us is that we are in the Asian time zone, but, as I have pointed out before, India and China (the big 2) didnt even bother to bid…and if/when they do…no one else will stand a chance…
mahony said | May 10th 2010 @ 10:15am | Report comment
Mission accomplished for the AFL and News Limited.
Derby County FC said | May 10th 2010 @ 8:09am | Report comment
Help help the sky is falling in! Aussie Rules will have to play at different stadia for 10 weeks.
Mister Football said | May 10th 2010 @ 8:10am | Report comment
Good link.
INcredibly, the American interviewed has a better grasp of the problems in Australia than the average soccer fan.
The AFL’s selfless generosity is one that hopefully all soccer fans will appreciate and be thankful of.
NO AFL agreement – no bid.
cruyff turn said | May 10th 2010 @ 12:03pm | Report comment
Pip, what the hell happened to you???
Once upon a time, didn’t you have a Melbourne Victory blog on FourFourTwo?
AFL generosity? Ha, give me a break! They don’t own the stadiums which the FFA want to use. Plus, a World Cup would deliver vastly improved stadia in Perth, Adelaide, Gold Coast, and Geelong – which would then be used primarily for AFL. So which set of fans should be appreciative?
punter said | May 10th 2010 @ 12:16pm | Report comment
A wolf in sheep clothing.
Australian Football said | May 10th 2010 @ 12:33pm | Report comment
Cruyff,
good point—the AFL don’t own the Stadia and if we dig deeper they don’t have long term contracts in place (2018/22) as we are led to believe by these AFL advocates.
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AF
JamesP said | May 10th 2010 @ 1:15pm | Report comment
No they don’t own the stadia (this is common knowledge), but they are responsible for 90% of the revenue
Australian Football said | May 10th 2010 @ 4:05pm | Report comment
90% of the revenue? So what; what does that have to do with anthing. You are renters like everyone else.
JamesP said | May 10th 2010 @ 5:53pm | Report comment
Are you for real?
No…seriously…
You seem to just comment for the sake of it…
Michael C said | May 10th 2010 @ 8:41pm | Report comment
????
KB…..huh???
what do you mean??
The AFL is tied to the MCG until 2037 and Docklands until 2025. Do you dispute those??? If so, where’s your evidence or do you just throw rubbish comments out there for the heck of it???
slickwilly said | May 10th 2010 @ 1:20pm | Report comment
why would fifa bother if the ‘legacy’ footprint was as narrow as your post suggests
MV Dave said | May 10th 2010 @ 5:13pm | Report comment
Hey Pip…noticed the AFL have fallen into line with the other codes to agree details for the WC bid! Amazing because according to you this was a bid from hell, which is a sham, waste of money etc etc. Looks like all your huff and puff about the bid was…just that, hot air.
JamesP said | May 10th 2010 @ 5:55pm | Report comment
I don’t think anyone expected that the AFL would not toe the line, so long as its demands for compensation and season continuity were met…and they have been.
Lets wait till December before you puff out your chest.
MV Dave said | May 10th 2010 @ 6:02pm | Report comment
The AFL was always going to fall into line…just some of the hysterical AFL zealots couldn’t see that and chose instead to run with anti WC BS as a scare tactic. Now their paranoia has been shown to be just that.
“Lets wait till December before you puff out your chest.” l gather you’ll be backing the US bid then…or perhaps Qatar…Japan??
Michael C said | May 10th 2010 @ 9:03pm | Report comment
mate –
fall into line??
the AFL was always supportive,
and has achieved their stated desire (since from Oct 2008 when ‘rival codes’ first signalled thier support) – - – to retain Docklands and play on through.
The AFL also sought to get an undertaking that the MCG would not be hijacked for more than 10 weeks.
And theirs an agreement of a frame work for compensation,……so, that’s good too,
Outside of that, the AFL was always ‘falling in line’………..so, …………Frank Lowy must’ve been forced to capitulate then???
ironic then………..argue about who actually capitulated the most……….
MV Dave said | May 10th 2010 @ 6:09pm | Report comment
“Lets wait till December before you puff out your chest.” l gather you’ll be backing the US bid then…or perhaps Qatar…Japan??
Kurt said | May 10th 2010 @ 8:12am | Report comment
So what the hell are we supposed to argue about on The Roar now?
AndyRoo said | May 10th 2010 @ 8:29am | Report comment
Back to “it should be called soccer” I guess.
AA said | May 10th 2010 @ 1:29pm | Report comment
I have no problems with the name ‘soccer’ to be honest.
punter said | May 10th 2010 @ 8:36am | Report comment
This is a problem!!!!
Redb said | May 10th 2010 @ 8:24am | Report comment
As expected.
David said | May 10th 2010 @ 8:31am | Report comment
Amen, united all codes must stand to best repersent Australia on all fronts
Derby County FC said | May 10th 2010 @ 8:39am | Report comment
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AGO74 said | May 10th 2010 @ 10:04am | Report comment
I’m with you Derby. If you get modified for your earlier comment then we may as well not bother!
James said | May 10th 2010 @ 8:46am | Report comment
Great news if not great stadia. Good to see the AFL get behind the bid
agga78 said | May 10th 2010 @ 8:47am | Report comment
We have no chance of winning, im the biggest football man there is, but to have Adelaide Oval, MCG, Skilled Stadium and Subiaco as part of the bid, the FFA and federal government are dreaming, if we only had 1 oval shaped stadium the MCG and the rest rectangle then we would be as strong a chance as any to win, but 4 cricket ovals are they mad, I know some will point to other world cups having oval stadiums, which their have been, but they have had a running track around them and are more the size of Olympic Park in Melbourne, not the MCG.
South Africa a country with so much poverty and poor infrastructure, has built new stadiums and refurbished others and we in Australia have decided only to build one new stadium and to refurbish all the others, it’s cheap and looks amateurish, FIFA will not take kindly to playing at cricket ovals and we will be defeated by the Americans who have 10, 70k rectangle stadiums.
THe AFL, NRL and ARU are nothing to FIFA, their polictical grandstanding would not of had any influence at FIFA at all, the only influence these codes would have, is with the stadium we are to use and the government would of made sure these stadiums would be made available.
AndyRoo said | May 10th 2010 @ 9:01am | Report comment
The Americans are building zero new stadiums, their just giving NFL owners some extra summer rental.
Personally I prefer a stadium built in working class Geelong that will be much appreciated than some huge white elephant in Blacktown or such.
Midfielder said | May 10th 2010 @ 3:17pm | Report comment
Sorry can not agree… Rovers … who will be huge… Australias next Super Union team… and more than likely the Western Tigers from RL…
Chris said | May 10th 2010 @ 3:49pm | Report comment
You aren’t from around here are you?
The Tigers are based in Campbelltown and Balmain – nowhere near Blacktown.
That and there is not much evidence to suggest either the Rovers or the non-existent, unannounced and unwanted Super rugby team will have crowds so high that new stadiums will be required.
In any case I would have thought that between them CUA Stadium, Parramatta Stadium, ANZ and Campbelltown could more than accommodate any new teams in Sydney’s West (unless you are seriously expecting Rovers to average 20,000+ in which case you are absolutely delusional).
A 40,000 capacity stadium in Blacktown would be the biggest white elephant in the history of Australian stadia (Waverly Park included).
AndyRoo said | May 10th 2010 @ 4:01pm | Report comment
Have to agree with Chris here.
Blacktown is crap for public transport and their are currently zero teams in Blacktown other than the AFL team.
The best spot for a 40k plus rectangular stadium would be Parramatta (for Rovers and the Eels) or even Liverpool (but stuff the Doggies). Theirs a reason both the bulldogs and Tigers have chosen to use Parramatta as their home grounds before.
The West Tigers play at Cambeltown not Blacktown and that would be a better choice but still poor. Their is no way any stadium built at Blacktown would be anything over than oval that is just crazy.
I am sure this is a ruse to announce it and then change the plans latter to an oval, really hope the location is changed too Parramatta as then it would be guaranteed to be a rectangle.
eh said | May 10th 2010 @ 4:16pm | Report comment
and blacktown is the kind of place where shoes arent optional extras, they are status symbols.
Chris said | May 10th 2010 @ 4:53pm | Report comment
Not exactly the kind of place you want international visitors seeing either…
AndyRoo said | May 10th 2010 @ 4:58pm | Report comment
pfft
Blacktown and Geelong are probably more fun than Qatar.
Emperor Penguin said | May 10th 2010 @ 5:58pm | Report comment
Yep. If they had any sense they would make Campbelltown 45k for the WC reduced to around 30-35k for the Tigers post World Cup.
It makes so much more sense, Campbeltown is growing just as fast as Blacktown, the proposed high speed metro would run through Campbelltown. Blacktown is really in the middle of no where.
Rovers would be best off sharing Parramatta Stadium with the Eels and taking one or two games each year to Penrith and Campbelltown. Thats what the 3 stars are for on their logo right? West, North West and South West?
Blacktown will be a huge white elephant, and an even bigger elephant if its oval.
Ken said | May 10th 2010 @ 10:00am | Report comment
That an agreement has been reached and we can all calm down is good news. Whether or not our offering is good enough for the soccer gods is the next step I guess. You’re comments about the stadiums though – wouldn’t this have been as good as it was going to get? I’m sure they asked but they couldn’t have been pinning too much hope on 5 brand new 100% government funded stadia for the purpose of a 1 month tournament?
Of course the AFL, NRL and ARU are nothing to FIFA but bear in mind that the reverse applies too. The idea that the government was going to force out the other codes too was always pie in the sky, they’d support the bid while ever it was politically prudent but any government that legislated against AFL, NRL and ARU at the same time would quickly no longer be a government. An agreement was always necessary.
DaMan3000 said | May 10th 2010 @ 1:34pm | Report comment
Ken, they aren’t going to be in government for very long any way. Might as well go down in a blaze of WC2022 glory!
Dogz R Barkn said | May 10th 2010 @ 1:41pm | Report comment
Very true.
I think the bid is safe because a certain key person is a major donour to both parties.
AGO74 said | May 10th 2010 @ 10:11am | Report comment
I agree it’s not great to have oval stadiums (surely Perth has the potential to build a rectangular stadium?), but in South Africa this year – Rustenburg, Durban and Cape Town are all oval stadiums so it’s not the be all and end all (the latter two being built from scratch) and in Germany our infamous Croatia match was played around a running track. Remember as well that all of the Aussie stadiums marked for use will get major makeovers to bring them up to scratch.
I just hope that all this hoopla can now subside and we can put a great bid forward. There is still six months to decision time so there is more than enough time to get it right.
JamesP said | May 10th 2010 @ 10:28am | Report comment
Why would Perth build a 40k rectangular stadium? For who? They will built a 60k oval, and the Force and any potential RL team will do with the 20k ME Bank Stadium…. simple
SamSport said | May 10th 2010 @ 11:08am | Report comment
The Force have been getting bigger crowds than 20k havn’t hey? What about the Glory? Perth could do with a rectangular stadium I think.
JamesP said | May 10th 2010 @ 1:01pm | Report comment
If moneys is not issue, then fine. But they will get a new 60k oval stadium…which may or may not be multipurpose…but even if it was….it would probably be used for one off special events like Wallabies and Soceroo matches only…ME Bank Stadium is serving the Force just fine for now.
SamSport said | May 10th 2010 @ 1:25pm | Report comment
You said “Why would Perth build a 40k rectangular stadium? For who?” – I answered your question.
slickwilly said | May 10th 2010 @ 1:27pm | Report comment
and what attendance figures (both past and projected) are you relying on to support your claim for a rectangular stadium
as jamesp says, aside from one-off events involving international teams, crowd attendances and membership suggests there is only 1 game in perth that would justify an infrastructure spend of this type
SamSport said | May 10th 2010 @ 4:14pm | Report comment
Well two pro teams playing out of a stadium seems like good justification. 40K wouldn’t be too big, thats why people aren’t suggesting bigger. Of course you don’t need an average attendance that high to justify a stadium that size. I know that watching a came designed for a rectangular stadium in an oval isn’t exactly going to promote higher crowd figures. I don’t know the Forces exact figures but know they comfortably averaged over 20K in 2007 and 2008, so playing in a 20K venue must suck.
slickwilly said | May 10th 2010 @ 4:42pm | Report comment
in the absence of any data to suggest otherwise, ME Bank Stadium should be satisfying all requirements for the rectangular codes – crowd attendances and membership figures for fremantle and west coast on the other hand would suggest there is a need for abigger oval stadium
SamSport said | May 10th 2010 @ 4:56pm | Report comment
No data. What rubbish. Who are you to decide? I don’t see what the problem is with satisfying both. Having a quality oval and rectangular ground should not be too much of a stretch for a city of 1.5 million.
Son of a Gun said | May 10th 2010 @ 5:18pm | Report comment
Perth does not need a rectangular stadium of 40k, 20 is about the right fit.
What Perth needs is a 60k stadium for both AFL teams that have waiting lists and a possible 3rd team on the horizon.
The Eagles have a waiting list of 8k, when your ticket comes up, you have the option of buying 4 memberships, and most people would, as most people sit with family and friends.
In reality the Eagles have 32k of people waiting to be members.
Mr said | May 10th 2010 @ 8:53am | Report comment
More multi-purpose stadiums (including reconfiguring the ovals lists) will leave a great legacy for all codes moving forward. We’re a great chance for either 2018 or 2022.
Those writing Australia off are the same that wrote Sydney off for the 2000 Olympics. We can do it.
Nelson said | May 10th 2010 @ 9:28am | Report comment
i think we have enough oval stadia, to be honest.
AndyRoo said | May 10th 2010 @ 9:37am | Report comment
Just use the extra green space for free seats for underprivileged kids….Fifa love that kind of stuff as they could probably skim a bit from whatever travel agencies are used to fly in some kids from around the world.
Those kids from the Carribean will be using Jack Warners travel agency for sure