Who will be World Cup hosts in 2023?
By True Tah, 6 Jun 2010 The Crowd is a Roar Guru
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Whilst the hosts for both the 2015 and 2019 IRB World Cups have been announced to be England and Japan respectively, there has been minimal discussion about potential hosts for any subsequent World Cups.
From where I stand, there are three possible choices to host the 2023 IRB World Cup: Argentina, Ireland and Italy. From a tourists perspective, I think all three of them would be a winner, and from a rugby perspective, all three contenders have stronger credentials than Japan.
Argentina
Los Pumas hold a proud history in rugby, and have beaten every major team except South Africa and New Zealand, and they have actually drawn with the All Blacks. In the 2007 IRB World Cup, they were the third-placed side.
On their home turf, Argentina traditionally are a lot harder to beat. If Argentina were chosen as the hosts for 2023, it would mean that the IRB World Cup will have been held on every continent, except Antarctica and North America, and this would be achieved within 40 years (it only took FIFA 64 years for a nation outside Europe or Latin America to host the World Cup).
A big plus is that games could be shared with other South American countries, such as Chile, Uruguay or Brazil. Given that Rugby Sevens is due to make its debut in Rio 2016, the Brazilians may well have an appetite for the full version of the game.
Finally, there are plenty of futbol stadia that could be used to host games, and generally the Argentine futbol scene has never opposed rugby – Maradona (Argentina’s favourite son and its most famous citizen) is a confirmed supporter of Los Pumas and in 2007, the two biggest sports teams in the country (Boca Juniors and River Plate) agreed to defer their clash (the Superclasico) to enable Argentine sports fans to watch Los Pumas qualify for their first every semi-finals of the IRB World Cup.
The first major barrier to an IRB World Cup being held in Argentina is that it is in an unfriendly timezone for European, African and Antipodean viewers, and this is likely to reduce the potential pay-TV dollars an Argentine World Cup can command.
The second major barrier is the tournament hosting fee that the IRB charges, which is likely to be upwards of $US 100 million, and Argentina’s economy is not such that the UAR or the Argentine government can really afford it.
The final barrier is the UAR itself, an organisation which has almost brought the sport in Argentina to bankruptcy and is well known for its opposition to professionalism. Given this, I have doubts that the UAR could successfully run an IRB World Cup in a professional manner.
Ireland
Whilst Ireland has hosted World Cup games in 1991 and 1999, I believe that the Irish would do a fantastic job of hosting it on their own, and market it as an unified Irish bid, as for rugby purposes, both the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland are one and the same, and potentially this would be the biggest sporting event to be held in Ireland to date.
Ireland has certainly improved itself on the field over the past few years, such that they are ranked in the top five teams in the world. Domestically, rugby in Ireland has improved its profile substantially, as evidenced by a Heineken Cup game between two Irish provincial teams drawing over 80,000 to Croke Park. Ireland also has the benefit of being in the European timezone, and is therefore very attractive for sponsors.
Again, the IRB hosting fee is likely to be an impediment to the hosting of the tournament as in the case of Argentina, but a more pressing issue is the availability of grounds. Whilst the Aviva Stadium is looking to be a fantastic 50,000 seat stadium, and Thomond Park is also new, you need a lot more than two stadia to host a World Cup.
There are plenty of suitably sized stadia in Ireland, the issue is that the vast majority of these are owned or controlled by the Gaelic Athletic Association (GAA). Historically the GAA has not been the greatest fan of rugby, to the point that rugby was not permitted to be played at GAA grounds, although this opposition has diminished to the point that Ireland has been playing all of its Six Nations home games at Croke Park, the home of the GAA.
However, the GAA may not be so keen as to give a rival sport, which happens to be foreign, a massive free kick, and this is understandable. The bottom-line is that if the GAA is not kept onside, Ireland will never be in a position to host the IRB World Cup on its own.
Italy
Italy did lodge a submission to host the 2015 or 2019 IRB World Cups, under the slogan “For the Enlargement of the Frontiers of Our Sport.” Whilst this bid was ultimately unsuccessful, it certainly looked like a great bid, with plenty of fantastic stadia, transport facilities, easy access for fans from France, Britain and Ireland and in a favourable time-zone for European and African viewers.
On top of this, the Italian government was prepared to fund the excessive IRB hosting fee, although whether this is again the case in 2023 remains to be seen, especially if the Italian economy goes the way of Greece and Portugal.
The major impediment to a successful hosting of an Italian IRB World Cup is the Italian team itself. The Italian team really needs to be a lot more competitive than they are now. Italy has never made it out of the group stage of the IRB World Cup and have never beaten any of Australia, New Zealand, South Africa or England.
Additionally, the Italian team has become somewhat of a refuge for other nationalities, in particular Argentines, and the average Italian can be forgiven for scratching his head as to why his national rugby team is dominated by players with Argentine accents. This is somewhat mitigated by the fact that given the proximity to the likes of France, England and Ireland, thousands of fans are likely to flock to Italy and help ensure the tournament is kept alive.
In conclusion, from a personal viewpoint, I would love to see Argentina get awarded 2023, as it would be a reward for a country which has given a lot to the world of rugby union and it would be a massive opportunity to win new fans in South America.
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June 6th 2010 @ 1:33am
rugbyfuture said | June 6th 2010 @ 1:33am | Report comment
some things to consider, the olympic decision has now been made, meaning more countries forming unions and rugby is growing at a phenominal rate in some places, this leads to richer countries wanting to host some competitions, especially the marquee event for a game in the olympics. there would also possibly be australia and south africa back in contention, considering a cycle of north/developmental/south and the fact argentina most likely still won’t have the proffesional structure in place. i might also consider russia in the mix, they seem to be pushing extremely hard.
June 6th 2010 @ 10:51am
True Tah said | June 6th 2010 @ 10:51am | Report comment
rugbyfuture
ideally the world cup hosts should be competitive enough to at least make it to the quarter finals – both Ireland and Argentina are capable of doing this.
Russia definitely cant right now and this is unlikely to change in 20 years. The IRB could create a fantastic legacy for the sport in South America if Argentina were able to host it.
June 6th 2010 @ 6:25am
kovana said | June 6th 2010 @ 6:25am | Report comment
The 2011 RWC will make a profit for the IRB hopefully..
The 2015 RWC in England will certainly make a Big profit.
Japan 2019 RWC is the big question… Hopefully rugby starts getting better in japan in a few years.. At the moment their Top League Comp for 09-10 averaged 4588 attd / match… Around the same level as the Scottish club averages and 2nd division of the French domestic comp. The Top League Final Attracted 18’004…
If by 2015 the rugby interest is not sufficient enough in Japan…
I say give the 2023 RWC to South Africa to fill the coffers.. And 2027 give it to Argentina, OR Italy.
June 9th 2010 @ 8:19pm
Dynamite Dan said | June 9th 2010 @ 8:19pm | Report comment
The big rugby comps in Japan are not the Top League, but the University Competition which regularly attracts crowds of 50,000+. There will be huge interest in the Rugby World Cup as the big corporates like Toshiba, Sanyo, Panasonic, Toyota etc get in behind it.
June 9th 2010 @ 9:30pm
ohtani's jacket said | June 9th 2010 @ 9:30pm | Report comment
University clashes *used* to attract crowds of 50,000+ but the student populace isn’t as big as it used to be and now the bigger clashes only draw 40,000 odd.
The peak of Japanese rugby was in the 80s when the All Japan Championship Final between the top university side and the top company side would draw crowds of 60.000+ but nowdays it draws Top League numbers.
I don’t think people realise how many people go to the university games just because it’s their university. I remember one weekend they drew 42,000 for a university clash and the next day only 11,000 for a Test match. There’s no correlation between university crowds and the RWC. Can’t blame ticket prices either because it only costs around 10 dollars to go to a Test match and you can bring your own food and drink and sit wherever you like.
The Bledisloe Cup Test last year proved how difficult it will be for Japan to sell out WC games. The national side is the best it’s ever been and no one cares.
June 2nd 2011 @ 10:46am
Clifford said | June 2nd 2011 @ 10:46am | Report comment
Disagree with you South Africa won the 2007 Rugby World Cup in France, so that means that they don’t deserve to host the Rugby World Cup anymore, give it to Argentina, because that’s a cool country.
June 6th 2010 @ 6:32am
pothale said | June 6th 2010 @ 6:32am | Report comment
“The 2011 RWC will make a profit for the IRB hopefully..
The 2015 RWC in England will certainly make a Big profit.
Japan 2019 RWC is the big question…
I say give the 2023 RWC to South Africa to fill the coffers.. ”
What’s your reasoning for these assertions, kovana?
If the IRB get their asking money up front – a condition of being given the tournament in the first place – what further levels of profit do/should the IRB get?
NZRU will lose a fortune on the 2011 tournament and have government money subsidising it as well. But IRB are guaranteed their money.
June 6th 2010 @ 6:45am
kovana said | June 6th 2010 @ 6:45am | Report comment
Oh thanks for clearing that up.. I always forget that the hosting HAS to pay to host the tournament.
Well Which country would make a bigger profit FOR themselves for hosting a RWC… NZ or England..?
And also rugby in general In 2019 RWC in japan.. Do you really want a WC with Half empty stadia?
June 6th 2010 @ 3:29pm
Dan said | June 6th 2010 @ 3:29pm | Report comment
I dunno you know… The Japanese get some big crowds to some of their University matches and the game does have a strong niche community there. I lived in Japan for more than a year and played rugby with my host university and the very fact that I did is significant considering it was only a small uni in a smallish city (Nagoya – small by Japanese standards). You have to remember that Japan has 120 million people in it, so even if only 1 percent of the population get taken in by the whole affair, you’ll still get a lot of big crowds. I personally think that if it’s marketed well the Japanese will head to games in droves – Japanese people love big events and the love Western stuff. With it now decided however, the IRB and the Japanese unions have to start building awareness and support now. If they can increase their support base and make their national team more competitive, there’ll be no problems selling out matches.
June 8th 2010 @ 12:43am
ohtani's jacket said | June 8th 2010 @ 12:43am | Report comment
I’ve been in Japan for five years and believe me it’s an uphill challenge.
Why do you think the Bledisloe Test went to Hong Kong this year? Answer — because the Tokyo Test wasn’t as commercially successful as the NZRU and ARU were led to believe it would be. Right now, Japan can’t compete with Hong Kong in terms of generating revenue.
They may get big crowds to a couple of University matches but the tickets are dirt cheap and the crowd are there to see their universities compete with each other. Rugby is secondary.
June 6th 2010 @ 7:45am
SideShowBob said | June 6th 2010 @ 7:45am | Report comment
Give it to the US at that point. By then you’d hope that the 7s coverage on NBC is rating well, and that is providing a pathway for new players (college system dropouts, for example) to enter the sport.
June 6th 2010 @ 10:52am
True Tah said | June 6th 2010 @ 10:52am | Report comment
SSB – will the Eagles be competitive in 2023?
June 6th 2010 @ 11:35am
Sammy22 said | June 6th 2010 @ 11:35am | Report comment
SSB – was thinking the same, but the upside with Argentina is having it in the US time zone which will test the impact perhaps for 2031 say
June 23rd 2010 @ 7:25pm
Gavin Norman said | June 23rd 2010 @ 7:25pm | Report comment
I agree. Give it to the US. Look at what the 1994 FIFA World Cup did for Soccer. Argentina will be buoyant with the Four Nations. Time for the IRB to try and crack a massive market (bigger then Asia/Japan).
June 6th 2010 @ 4:21pm
Working Class Rugger said | June 6th 2010 @ 4:21pm | Report comment
Sammy22
The USA could be competitve by that stage if the current momentum being created is properly capitalized on. The big moves are at the College levels at the moment with the College 7s Invitational underway in Ohio this weekend. From all accounts the games have actually been rather good with skill, speed and a fair degree of athletism involved. Adding to this NBC are evidently doing a rather good job in their broadcast with the commentators actually learning the game before hand and explaining the rules clearly to the audience.
Next year there will also be the new Division 1 College Premeir League with 32 of the top College teams in the US. Backing this up is the huge growth of the game a both the High School and junior club level right across the Western half of the US. Things are moving.
June 7th 2010 @ 8:19am
Sammy22 said | June 7th 2010 @ 8:19am | Report comment
Thanks for that good to hear. With Argentina coming into the 4 nations we’ll all get used to the time slots and maybe US could be number 5 or 6
Are you aware how Canada is coming along these days as that would be another option with rugby heritage and infrastucture
June 7th 2010 @ 10:14am
Working Class Rugger said | June 7th 2010 @ 10:14am | Report comment
Sammy22
Hmmm….Canada. Well. The IRB really needs to have a serious look at them. While their senior national team is reasonably competitve at the moment but their last few U20′s teams have been very poor which doesn’t bode all that well for Canadian Rugby in the future. They recently came 6th in the second tier JWRT with debutants Russia performing rather well with a respectable 3rd behind a surprisingly powerful Japan ( they dominated the Italian pack in the final) and Champions Italy (who appear to have actually discovered they have a backline).
The most concerning thing is the Canadian Rugby Football Union seems to be incapable of addressing the major issues facing Rugby in their own backyard. Not saying they haven’t tried to introduce some intiatives such as their national U20′s Championship featuring 13 teams ( soon to be 16) based along the original Canadian Rugby Super League but their appears to be a fair degree of stagnation. They really should be talking to the USAR and the Colleges in the States regarding the possiblity of entering the new Div 1 College Premier League in say 2012.
June 7th 2010 @ 6:22pm
Sammy22 said | June 7th 2010 @ 6:22pm | Report comment
Thanks for this WCR
My sons both went on school rugby tours to Canada (i went on one) and was always surprised it hadnt kicked along more so. It does feel on cusp around the world at the moment with the 7′s at Olympics giving impetus
June 6th 2010 @ 4:35pm
Midfielder said | June 6th 2010 @ 4:35pm | Report comment
Here’s a out of bag pick… what about Fiji … do what football did and pick a national on its knees and help lift it by having the WC…say small grounds say 15, 000 … with the main stadium in Suva increased to about 40, 000 for the final ….
Just spent two weeks working over there … they could do with some good news…
June 6th 2010 @ 4:47pm
True Tah said | June 6th 2010 @ 4:47pm | Report comment
Would be a great idea, but I never think the IRB would ever support it.
What is the infrastructure like over there – I have never been. This would be the biggest sporting event ever held in the Islands – could they support tourist numbers??
The Islands are in a zone poor for TV-viewers.
Maybe make it a bid for the Pacific as a whole – Fiji, Tonga, Samoa being the main guys, but potentially having games in places like Guam, New Caledonia and French Polynesia.
June 7th 2010 @ 3:05pm
Midfielder said | June 7th 2010 @ 3:05pm | Report comment
TT
I was working there and attended a number of sporting events on the wekend … they have few if any stadiums of note… but if the RWC could get away with say 5 stadiums … then all five would have to be build..but thwey do love their sport over their and they follow in this order Rugby 7′s, Rugby 15 especially test internationals, Super 14, EPL & RL, Football in Fiji…
I saw a football final between BA & some other team BA won … but my guess about 7, 000 cramed into Lautoka… last year watched a the game stops the nation …Army V Police 15 a side Rugby…
Places to watch would be Suva, Lautoka, Sigatoka, BA, Nandi aside from Suva make the grounds seat 10, 000 normally and expand to 15 or 20 K for the WC… Suva … a 25 K plus expand to 40 K for the final…
June 7th 2010 @ 3:17pm
True Tah said | June 7th 2010 @ 3:17pm | Report comment
Midfielder it would a great opportunity for the world to come to Fiji and sell Fiji to the world.
The main issue is that Fiji would not be able to afford the hosting fee on its own. If the IRB ever waived the tournament fee, then would the IRB be prepared to take a loss. Could Fiji afford to upgrade its stadiums? And the political issue is contentious, with sporting sanctions on Fijians playing for the Army team.
I think a joint Pacific bid would be the way to go. Fiji, Tonga and Samoa would each be based in their home nation, and the other pool could be split between New Caledonia (France could be based there?) and Guam (US-territory, America based there). Whilst futbol is no.1 in New Caledonia, I reckon they would sell the 16K stadium there if les Bleus were playing.
June 7th 2010 @ 3:19pm
Midfielder said | June 7th 2010 @ 3:19pm | Report comment
TT
Fiji could not afford anythink everything would have be by aid…
June 7th 2010 @ 8:29pm
Pete said | June 7th 2010 @ 8:29pm | Report comment
Perhaps the Pacific bid could be bankrolled by Australia and NZ with smallers games hosted in Fiji, Tonga etc. Be interesting to see how NZ and Australia would go about a joint bid again….
June 6th 2010 @ 4:40pm
Forgetmenot said | June 6th 2010 @ 4:40pm | Report comment
Perhaps they could put it in South Africa again …
but if not, i would say put it in Argentina. This would help grow that game faster in Sth America, and would also be in the perfect time zone for the USA.
June 6th 2010 @ 5:55pm
mjg said | June 6th 2010 @ 5:55pm | Report comment
With rugby becoming an Olympic sport, the US should be in a position to host the 2023 World Cup, with perhaps some games in Canada and Argentina.
June 6th 2010 @ 7:22pm
OldManEmu said | June 6th 2010 @ 7:22pm | Report comment
Ferfarcksake
Could there ever have been in the history of the Roar a more pointless and irrelevant submission?
June 7th 2010 @ 7:46am
Joh4Canberra said | June 7th 2010 @ 7:46am | Report comment
The author asserts that Argentina’s time zone is unfriendly to European, African and Antipodean TV viewers. I’ll grant you that it’s relatively inconvenient for viewers in Australia, NZ and East Asia but I don’t think it’s that inconvenient for Europe and Africa, at least as far as afternoon games are concerned.
Argentina is GMT – 3 and there is no daylight saving in place in Argentina — which as an aside means they get this Queenslander’s approval
. At RWC time (September/October) the UK and Ireland are GMT +1, France, Italy and Sow Thefrica are GMT +2. So that’s a 4-5 hour time difference between Argentina and the majority of European and African viewers. An afternoon game in Argentina makes evening TV viewing in Europe and Sow Thefrica. That’s actually pretty convenient for those markets. And North America doesn’t work out too badly either with EDT only one hour behind Argentina. It’s not ideal for viewers in Australia and NZ (and East Asia for that matter) I’ll grant you, but we Antipodeans are already used to major events being held in unfriendly time zones. And what’s more, night games in Argentina become morning games in the Antipodes. So assuming there are some night games there would still be some games on during waking hours in the Antipodes.
Here are some sample time differences:
North America west (Pacific Daylight Time) = Argentina – 4 hours. (3pm Arg = 11am PDT; 8pm Arg = 4pm PDT)
North America east (Eastern Daylight Time) = Argentina -1 hour. (3pm Arg = 2pm EDT; 8pm Arg = 7pm EDT)
UK/IRL = Argentina + 4 hours (3pm Arg = 7pm BST; 8pm Arg = 12 midnight BST)
FRA/ITA/RSA = Argentina + 5 hours (3pm Arg = 8pm CEST/SAST; 8pm Arg = 1am CEST/SAST)
Australia west (AWST) = Argentina +11 hours (3pm Arg = 2am AWST; 8pm Arg = 7am AWST)
Australia east (AEST)* = Argentina +13 hours (3pm Arg = 4am AEST; 8pm Arg = 9am AEST)
NZST* = Argentina +15 hours (3pm Arg = 6am NZST; 8pm Arg = 11am NZST)
* NB I haven’t adjusted for the effects of daylight saving time in south eastern Australia and NZ as this would come into effect part way through the world cup. Just add another hour for games later in the tournament (so under daylight saving time 3pm Arg = 5am AEDT / 7am NZDT and 8pm Arg =10 am AEDT / 12 noon NZDT).