Why Italians, and Aussies, dive in football
By Davidde Corran, 27 Jun 2010 Davidde Corran is a Roar Expert
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Australia's Lucas Neill, bottom, trips Italy's Fabio Grosso in the penalty box during the last minutes of the Australia vs Italy Round of 16 World Cup soccer match at Fritz Walter Stadium in Kaiserslautern, Germany, Monday, June 26, 2006. Italy was awarded a penalty and won the match 1-0. AP Photo/Kevork Djansezian
As Kamil Kopunek scored Slovakia’s third goal to make the seemingly impossible inevitable, FIFA’s commentator on the international feed declared that Italy were going out of the World Cup in “disgrace”. It was a piece of hyperbole that I took umbrage with as, in my opinion, there’s no disgrace in simply losing.
It’s how you do so that defines such a loss.
Otherwise Australia went out in disgrace as well, and we all know that’s simply not true.
However, some are arguing that because of their playacting and diving antics, Italy’s tournament exit is in fact a shameful one. Certainly that’s the opinion a lot of Australians are taking.
There’s no doubt about it, some of the behaviour we’ve seen from the Azzurri in this tournament goes against the concept of “fair play” that Australians believe in so adamantly.
I get asked a lot of questions about Italian football and these very issues but there’s one thing that I’m rarely asked: why do Italians dive?
The answer is it’s a cultural thing and not just at a sporting level but socially as well.
As John Foot wrote in his exceptional history of Italian football “Calcio”, when playing football Italians “dive, appeal for throw-ins after clearly kicking the ball out, crash to the ground screaming with pain when they have not been touched, try sneaky handballs. They also complain, constantly, about everything. Football games, like prison riots, are ‘essentially contested’.”
In other words, winning fairly is a secondary notion that comes way behind the importance of simply winning.
This might seem a little hard to grasp, all the more so if you’ve never lived in Italy, so let me put it into another context.
In Sicily there is a popular saying that roughly translates into: “Whatever you want to do, you do.”
That idea is responsible for why you so often see cars triple parked along busy Sicilian roads.
If you’re Italian and you see some space along the side of a road, and you’re in a car looking for a park, and your car fits that space, then it’s a “car park”.
For various social and political reasons in Italy, rules and laws often hold little traction.
Now, I’m neither arguing for nor against this sort of behaviour, but it’s important to understand the cultural reasons before you criticise the behaviour of a different country’s players.
It’s also worth remembering that Italy isn’t alone in supplying this World Cup with its share of gamesmanship. Plenty of sides have been guilty of similar acts including Slovakia, Brazil, Serbia, Germany and, guess what, Australia.
There was a moment in the Socceroos’ final group game when Luke Wilkshire was clipped by a Serbian player and flung himself to the ground. After rolling along the ground in “pain” for a while, the Dynamo Moscow player realised the referee wasn’t going to pay a free-kick and got back onto his feet.
It might not be on the same scale as some of our opponents, but Australians dive to.
So if it’s so despised at home, why do Socceroos play act?
I suspect it’s because everyone else does. How many times in the past have you heard guys like Harry Kewell saying, “We have to be smarter,”?
The thing is Kewell is wrong. One of Australia’s greatest assets is the “Aussie spirit” and being “smarter”, also known as cheating, goes against that very notion.
English football is, and arguably always has been, filled with all these sorts of gamesmanship problems. Yet for a long time European football has looked up to that English spirit of fair play and admired it.
It’s a pedestal Australian football should be looking to climb up on to. It’s far too easy to take the low road, and all the more less satisfying.
When Fabio Grosso hit the deck against Australia a nation mourned being felled by such cheating. The Italian left-back admitted as much to me almost four years later.
Unfortunately even now on all we hear about is how an Italian dived. Not how Tim Cahill didn’t close down Francesco Totti, allowing him to spot Fabio Grosso one on one with an out of position Mark Bresciano. Nor do we hear complaints that when Grosso turned Bresciano, Lucas Neill did the one thing a defender shouldn’t and go to ground in the penalty box.
I guess it’s far easier to focus on the mistakes of others than your own.
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dasilva said | June 27th 2010 @ 4:42am | Report comment
I never really bought this cultural argument
There’s a lot of problems in Australian society that is “cultural” as well (binge drinking comes to mind)
Nevertheless they’re still problems
People who put culture up on the pedestal seldomly evaluate the merits of their culture
In the end whether it is part of their culture (or our culture) or not is rather irrelevant.
What’s relevant is whether the values/idea have merits or not.
Really I find this cutthroat “ends justify means” philosophy that is engulfing many football nations rather distasteful.
If it really part of their culture then the culture is flawed.
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However saying that
I’m pretty disappointed that the Australian players have fallen for “if everyone else is doing it, then we should to”
Seeing Lucas Neill, our captain doing an embarrassing injury feigns, seeing Vinnie Grella our hardman also doing an injury feign against Germany. Seeing Kewell dive against Ghana. I’ve seen Cahill dived a fair bit in the English Premier League as well.
Now Australia certainly ain’t the dirtiest side in the World Cup (just see the fantasy cheaters league ranking). However we are not squeaky clean.
dasilva said | June 27th 2010 @ 5:07am | Report comment
In any case, from what I seen in our experience in Asia. The Chinese sides makes the Italian national team look like saints.
The Special One said | June 27th 2010 @ 7:40am | Report comment
Italians dont dive the just embellish the reaction.
Both the Grosso penalty against Australia in 06 and the De Rossi penalty against NZ in 10 are perfect examples.
Contact was made in both instances but they werent really enough to cause them to fall over.
But the Italians actually have a word for what they do its called Furbo which means cunning or wily. They actually get praised for doing it in Italy, but like you say its a cultural thing and as aussies one would hope that we dont go down this route.
mickh said | June 27th 2010 @ 8:13am | Report comment
jus de couchon said | June 27th 2010 @ 8:54am | Report comment
Its in the nature of the game to cheat now. Diving is acceptable and quaint notions of fair play are irrelevent.
NY said | June 27th 2010 @ 9:26am | Report comment
Ther is no more cheating in the a-league then there is in NRL or AFL.
Dan said | June 27th 2010 @ 11:01am | Report comment
Disagree very much in the case of the NRL in particular. The existence of the video referee makes attempts to cheat much more difficult – particularly in try scoring situations. Soccer doesn’t have this and therefore is subject to monumentally greater human error on the part of the referee. Indeed, I’d go so far as to say soccers defining characteristic is that the referee so often acts as the deciding factor in matches.
NY said | June 27th 2010 @ 11:08am | Report comment
What about when a player in a tackle attempts to milk a penalty of the referee? There is no video referee for this. Perhaps a referee has a large outcome in a soccer match, but I have seen many a rugby league game where fans have blamed a referee for the loss. Same for practically every other sport.
dasilva said | June 27th 2010 @ 11:08am | Report comment
I think the main point is that diving very much a non-issue in the A-league. You may get one or two dives in an entire seasons and the A-league is 2nd league in the world (i think after Scotland) to actually do post match videos review and suspend people for diving if caught by camera.
Dan said | June 27th 2010 @ 11:17am | Report comment
Yeah, the A-League is to be truly commended for implementing that system. It’s the most rational and reasonable way of dealing with the problem and it has a real impact on the conduct of the players without hurting the continuity of the game.
dasilva said | June 27th 2010 @ 11:56am | Report comment
To be honest, it was really more a PR thing to try to change the perception that Football is full of divers and cheaters.
In reality, in the A-league, diving was basically a very minor problem at the worst of times. It was practice by some of the foreign players when they first arrive in Australia but after them getting booed by the crowd and getting told off by their own players and coaches in their club they quickly adapted to Australian culture.
I can only remember one dive from Cristiano to win the penalty for Adelaide and that’s about it, in terms of severe cheating in the A-league.
I honestly don’t think a single player was picked up by the video review simply because it doesn’t really happen here.
Really the main issue of the A-league is the opposite really. The referee is very lenient on challenge and a lot of tackles that goes along in the A-league would be red cards in any other league in the world.
Mega said | June 27th 2010 @ 8:57am | Report comment
It’s why Italians think extra-marital affairs are okay. If you can cheat and get away with it then cheating is ok. They just don’t see the damage that cheating has on themselves and how they are seen.
Davidde Corran said | June 28th 2010 @ 2:37am | Report comment
Try not to resort to ill-informed stereotypes…
sheek said | June 27th 2010 @ 9:07am | Report comment
Call me naive, but to support those basically saying we shouldn’t go down the theatrical cheating path – I have often argued on the Roar, our players should say on their feet as best as possible, in both attack & defence.
That way we’ll eventually get the 50/50 calls our way, because refs will realise that Aussies will say on their feet at all costs. So if a Socceroo gets knocked over, then it must be the other side that is guilty.
Besides, while remaining on your feet, you’re still in a better position to retain or get possession, than sprawled on the ground. To my thinking, it’s just practical, common sense.
Simple really…..
Stephen Smith said | June 27th 2010 @ 9:22am | Report comment
I do find it funny that Australians take such a moral high ground on this. The Aussie cricket team are past masters at sledging and playing to the very edge of the rules – yet that is ok, because its Aussie.
The author of this article is right – it’s cultural. Still, I see he has managed to get his usual dig in at the English game which is apparently full of “gamesmanship” – is it? The EPL isnt perfect by any means, financial imbalance, too many overseas players etc – but I’m fairly sure it stacks up well on the gamesmanship list when compared to most other leagues around the world. Remember calciopoli?
Also can we also get rid of this “Aussie spirit” rubbish? Other nations have pride in their national jersey too. The Aussiese don’t have a monopoly on it.
Vinay Verma said | June 27th 2010 @ 10:01am | Report comment
Stephen Smith,Mike Atherton cut to the chase when he did a piece on the ” Spirit of Cricket”. He bemoaned the fact that the Spirit had become more a preamble than the main focus.
With professionalism comes a dog eat dog combativeness. It is much the same in corporate and bureaucratic life. Only this week we had a PM ousted and a trusted colleague appointed in his place. This from the same,previously supportive person who vowed” I am not interested in the leadership”
This is not meant as a justification. Only reality. Saying that I do not believe we should come down to the lowest common denominator. Football when played upright is a beautiful spectacle. And really,as Sheek says, you cannot play while prone on the ground.
Agreed, “spirit” is not the perogative of Australians alone.
Sledging is as old as WG Grace and only came into prominece with the advent of the stump mike. Gatting and Botham were as adept at it as Steve Waugh and Michael Slater. Mc Grath and Sarwan went overboard and Watson was a prat last summer. Gambhir and Harbhajan are not shrinking violets and KP can give as good as he gets. I don’t mind the argy bargy as long as it does not get personal. Miandad was a tremendous antagonist and Lillee responded. Not always edifying but theatre nonetheless.
I would hope that the Ashes have the “bite’ and confrontation that is necessary for a contest. As Bradman said ” Cricket is a serious business” Not sure if it was Bob Willis but I think he said ” There is nothing more important for an Englishman than beating Australia” This then is cultural and traditional. More power to it.
Tom said | June 27th 2010 @ 11:11am | Report comment
Quite right, Vinay. And Stephen, whether sledging is on the edge of the rules is debatable – I’m not sure there is any specific law of cricket prohibiting it. As Vinay pointed out, it is only the introduction of the stump microphone that illustrated how commonplace it is. It always has been and always will be part of the game – and so long as it doesn’t get personal, the game is better for a bit of banter. Put a few relatively young men out in a field for 6 hours and of course there are going to be a few wise cracks.
Diving is a different kettle of fish – it is specifically prohibited under the rules of football; it is a deliberate attempt to deceive the umpire. That replays make it clear that it is occurring makes it all the more frustrating.
dasilva said | June 27th 2010 @ 11:18am | Report comment
Well the ICC Cricket Code of Conduct
has this as a level one offence
“Using language or a gesture that is obscene, offensive or insulting.”
I do think some of the sledging sometimes cross in that area. It really depends on how you interpret it and what’s your threshold of offensive.
Although I’m not offended by swearing etc but I do cringe at some of the crude nature of our “sledging”. If we are going to sledge make it witty and humourous. Just outright swearing makes Australia look like bunch of unsophisticated yobbos and I’m happy if the ICC throw the book at them for that.
dasilva said | June 27th 2010 @ 10:35am | Report comment
It’s true that we cheat differently compared to other nations
I think the Socceroos are pretty bad at dissent at referee decisions and commit that as much and as bad as any other nations. Only cursory look at the Germany match and the Asia Cup debacle will prove that
Nevertheless I think we can still take the moral high ground in terms of diving rather then sportsmanship in general.
Fisher Price said | June 27th 2010 @ 11:09am | Report comment
But don’t ya know the Aussies fought at Gallipoli, Tobruk and Kokoda!
dasilva said | June 27th 2010 @ 11:23am | Report comment
Yeah I remember in the Olympics during the Marathon
I think there was situation where the Australian was about to overtake the leader of the marathon who was ethiopian I think. The commentator was saying that runner (can’t remember that person name), may be an excellent runner but he doesn’t have the Aussie spirit. It was cringe worthy to say the least
By the way, the Australian runner ended up losing that race.
Gibbo said | June 28th 2010 @ 12:15pm | Report comment
what, dead last?
NY said | June 27th 2010 @ 9:36am | Report comment
What we as Aussies get offended by cheating and bad sportsmanship, other nations get offended by our sledging and over physical approach. It all evens itself out in the end. Look at Australia vs India in cricket, or Lleyton Hewitt vs David Nalbandian in tennis as an example.
Hanzo said | June 27th 2010 @ 10:07am | Report comment
I don’t care if it is cultural, it’s BS and it doesn’t belong on the sports field.