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Fremantle's Aaron Sandilands flies for a ball during the AFL Round 15 match between the Richmond Tigers and the Fremantle Dockers at Etihad Stadium, Melbourne.
From the NRL’s rare visit to Adelaide to test the waters for possible expansion, to the visit of an English Premier League side (and their Socceroo) delivering a bumper crowd for Sydney FC, to two contrasting AFL crowd figures in Melbourne, it’s been a fascinating weekend across Australia, highlighting several key points for various codes.
Let’s examine them one by one:
NRL. Canterbury Bulldogs versus Melbourne Storm – Adelaide Oval. Crowd: 10,350
Arguably the most significant crowd figure of the weekend, as the NRL ventured to Adelaide.
Considering there was no local interest to entice South Australians to the truncated Adelaide Oval on a freezing winter’s night, the crowd of 10,350 was impressive.
It proved what many in the NRL foolishly ignore; that there is a core group of rugby league supporters in South Australia who could form the core support for a franchise based in SA.
In contrast with the AFL’s strategic expansion targets, the NRL remains, seemingly, non-committal on expansion, instead waiting for its Independent Commission to come in and save the day.
But what the crowd at Adelaide Oval and the similar success story in Perth (13,164 turned out when the Melbourne Storm and South Sydney headed west) showed is that the game needs to be putting the framework down in these two capitals for two new franchises.
There may be significant support on the Central Coast, but only by going to Perth and Adelaide can the NRL truly expand its national footprint – giving the league a presence in the five most populated cities/capitals in the country.
As for Adelaide, the Adelaide Rams were born and killed at the height of the Super League war. It was a tumultuous environment for a club and code to survive in enemy (AFL) territory. The NRL is a lot more of a stable environment for the rebirth of an Adelaide franchise, and the crowd at Adelaide Oval proved there is interest in the game to sustain it.
Remember, the expectations and commercial pressures on a potential NRL franchise are a lot less than an AFL one, and Adelaide remains the least congested sporting marketing of those five capital cities.
The potential is there.
Football. Sydney FC versus Everton – ANZ Stadium (Sydney). Crowd: 40,446
The huge crowd for this friendly in Sydney (notorious for fickle crowds) proved two points for football in this country: the power of proper marketing and the power of the pre-season friendly against visiting sides.
Undoubtedly the game benefited from the presence of Socceroos golden boy Tim Cahill, particularly so soon after the Socceroos’ World Cup campaign, but you couldn’t ignore the manner in which this game was promoted on television, in print and online, not to mention the decrease in ticket prices.
Getting the message out there was crucial for a pre-season friendly which has effectively launched the Australian club season, showing how crucial it is for A-League clubs to market extensively to entice the football fans that we know are out there.
Enticing EPL and other great clubs to tour Australia during the pre-season is a proven winner.
It’s just a case of working out a way to ensure those crowds back up for the A-League season.
AFL. Port Power versus Collingwood Magpies – AAMI Stadium (Adelaide). Crowd: 24,260
Playing one of their great rivals (the two great ‘Magpies’ Aussie Rules clubs) on a night they said goodbye to one of their favourite sons, Mark Williams, on a Friday night, when everyone knows the match would be delayed on Channel 7, Port Power couldn’t even pull 25,000 to AAMI – almost 10,000 down on the average figure for this fixture in Adelaide.
The Power was born out of the success of the Port Adelaide Magpies, but the reality is that supporter base was never big enough to sustain a franchise in a national competition.
For all its successes, Port represented one-ninth of the South Australian footy landscape (based on the nine clubs in the SANFL) in what is only Australia’s fifth biggest city. And in Adelaide you either love or hate Port. That dualism is what has flawed Port Power.
They were always going to struggle to expand beyond its Port origins, especially in a state where generic clubs who can draw support from the whole state (a lesson for a potential NRL franchise) rule – think Adelaide Crows, 36ers, Thunderbirds, United.
In debt, struggling for form and relying on the AFL for handouts, Port Power seems as vulnerable as ever. Whether they can survive long enough for the generation who have grown up with the Power to reach adulthood and sustain them remains to be seen. It’s their only hope of truly expanding their supporter base.
AFL. Richmond Tigers versus Fremantle Dockers – Etihad Stadium (Melbourne). Crowd: 25,707
Richmond’s recent run of form has shocked their critics and surprised their fans, yet they could only manage a 25,707 crowd against the in-form Freo in a week the Tigers were making headlines across the country (albeit the cause of that media frenzy, Ben Cousins, didn’t feature in this match).
When contrasted with the 69,220 at the MCG for the Geelong versus Hawthorn clash, what it shows is that at its core the great strength of the AFL, when it comes to crowds, is in its VFL origins and rivalries, not its national footprint.
ANZ Netball Championship. Adelaide Thunderbirds versus Waikato / Bay of Plenty Magic – Adelaide Entertainment Centre. Crowd: 9,200 (expected).
The final of the trans-Tasman netball series sold out in 12 minutes – impressive for what many consider to be a fringe sport.
The enormous growth of the ANZ Championship over the past two years is a testament to the power of free-to-air coverage. For a fringe sport, being afforded such extensive coverage on ONE HD has been an enormous fillip, particularly when contrasted with the growth (lack of) of sports stuck on pay-television.
It’s been a big weekend of sport that’s confirmed several home truths for these codes – a fascinating snapshot of where they stand, with their relative weaknesses and strengths.
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Alders said | July 11th 2010 @ 4:25am | Report comment
So,
1. NRL struggles in Adelaide.
2. Expansion clubs for the AFL struggle to attract crowds.
3. EPL clubs with Australia’s biggest star attract bigish crowds.
Got it.
Mega said | July 11th 2010 @ 8:38am | Report comment
“So,
1. NRL struggles in Adelaide.”
Did you read the article? Obviously not…
James D said | July 12th 2010 @ 9:51am | Report comment
Since when is 10k a good crowd figure to an NRL match? Or 13k for that matter?
dan said | July 12th 2010 @ 10:27am | Report comment
AFL got 6K for a game it moved to the gold coast last year – and the gold coast is actually an expansion target. There is more AFL on the coast than RL in Adelaide – So I would say that 10K is a good figure.
James D said | July 12th 2010 @ 10:32am | Report comment
Didnt mention the AFL mate.
10k crowd for the NRL in Adelaide is poor IMO. If you get 10k when you giveaway thousands of tickets putting a club there wont exactly prosper if you need to start selling 12k tickets to break even.
M1tch said | July 12th 2010 @ 10:38am | Report comment
your opinion its poor..fair few of us thinks its pretty good..how do you pronounce tomato?
Redb said | July 12th 2010 @ 10:45am | Report comment
No, to be fair dan,
The AFL played 3 games on the Gold Coast last year averaging 10,193. The GC has half the population of Adelaide.
( this is like shooting fish in a barrel)
Akazie said | July 12th 2010 @ 11:25am | Report comment
Adelaide oval had a capacity of 14k for the game the other night, over 10k isn’t bad in a construction site, I’m sure that alone would’ve turned a few people off going.
Michael C said | July 12th 2010 @ 11:06am | Report comment
if that were the ONLY game played by AFL on the GC – - you might have some point of comparison,
however, we all know that crowd figure was the protest against North Melb (who’d snubbed the GC for relocation),
that you attempt to use it for traction now is a bit misleading and mischievous.
Corey said | July 12th 2010 @ 10:29am | Report comment
Its good for a place that most confirm as a non-RL state. 10k on the night it was on is pretty good and when it is 2 sides that have no relevance to the area than that is a pretty good turn out. If 2 AFL clubs like Western Bulldogs v Fremantle and there were over 10k at the game it would be a success as well.
Success isn’t always measuring against the top, its measured against the individual. A business is successful if it does well in its own sector. A new IT company is not going to measure its success against Microsoft or Apple, so I don’t think we should measure Adelaide’s success on the basis of the crowd figures of the Broncos or the Bulldogs. This is just a testing of the waters anyway. And the waters seemed pretty good.
Go Tigers said | July 11th 2010 @ 7:43am | Report comment
You do realise Docklands isn’t Richmond’s home ground and a number of our supporters won’t go there out of protest. You can take off at least 5000 from what the crowd would’ve been if played at the MCG. Richmond vs West Coast reached 30k a month ago and Richmond vs Sydney last week just under 40k both at the MCG. You still get decent crowds for visiting interstate sides. Of course you’re able to get larger crowds for two Vic clubs at the MCG because both sets of supporters can attend the same game in their home town.
In any case nitpicking a couple of random games here and there is meaningless. Only long-term trends provide useful data. In 2010 the AFL is recording record average crowds (37k). In non-Aussie Rules Football heartland the Swans are averaging 31k with those “notoriously fickle” Sydney crowds and the Lions 32k. Both sides are hardly setting the world on fire either.
Just 10k to a one-off NRL game in Adelaide. Pfft! You are deluded if you believe that implies a sustainable NRL side playing every fortnight in Adelaide is realistic.
Please when it comes to weekly crowd numbers in Australia it’s AFL first and daylight to the other codes. To try and argue otherwise is just showing an anti-Aussie Rules Football bias.
Gavin N said | July 11th 2010 @ 12:08pm | Report comment
The match was live on Foxtel also. Many people didn’t expect us to win against Fremantle, due to their ladder position.
Redb said | July 12th 2010 @ 10:47am | Report comment
Even with only 25,000 I bet the Tiger faightful made more noise than any other crowd in the country (bar Geel v Haw).
Message to Adrian M, I think you should keep crowd watching Richmond for the rest of this year if your heart can take it.
Kurt said | July 11th 2010 @ 7:52am | Report comment
Adrian
Interesting article, certainly some worthwhile talking points from the various crowd figures you mention,
However the conclusions you draw seem to be based upon wildly different standards for what constitutes a good crowd across the different competitions. For example, 40K to watch Sydney FC is a ‘huge’ crowd, whilst 44K to watch the Swans at the same ground a couple of weeks ago was described by many as ‘poor’.
You also describe 25K attendances at the two AFL games you focus on as ‘disappointing’ yet consider that both home teams have no chance of making the finals, Port haven’t won a game in weeks and Richmond, despite some recent improvement are still staring at another ‘rebuilding’ year in 2011. If 50K for those two games represents the weak underbelly of the AFL, then good luck to the other codes for whom 25K represents a bumper attendance.
Realfootball said | July 11th 2010 @ 8:11am | Report comment
There’s no doubt about who rules the attendance world. A League and NRL clubs (with the possible exception of Melbourne Victory) would dream of “disappointing” 25k crowds.
Not sure about NRL in Adelaide. There would be a significant novelty factor in that attendance. Wellington Phoenix and Brisbane Roar just pulled over 10k to a warm up match in tiny Hamilton in NZ, but you wouldn’t put an A League franchise there.
Mega said | July 11th 2010 @ 8:41am | Report comment
All these things need to be put in context. OBviously there’s a huge feel good World Cup factor in NZ to consider. The 10,000 NRL crowd in Adelaide is off the back of nothing involving two neutral teams.
James D said | July 12th 2010 @ 10:11am | Report comment
Back of nothing? There is NOTHING to do in Adelaide. Those people came to the game because there was nothing else to do there.
M1tch said | July 12th 2010 @ 10:15am | Report comment
i dunno, they spent money to come watch the foreign code, they coulda stayed home and talked with loved ones
Mr Cool said | July 12th 2010 @ 1:35pm | Report comment
Or watched a Skippy film on Channel None
Anthony said | July 13th 2010 @ 11:09am | Report comment
Port Adelaide got 24,000….which beats any of the NRL crowds on the weekend. That puts Port Adelaide into a national perspective somewhat! Most of NRL games were in Sydney, of course, where even the Swans out-pull NRL. But all’s well with Rugby League, right!
Justin said | July 11th 2010 @ 8:14am | Report comment
Code Wars 3001
Harry said | July 11th 2010 @ 8:30am | Report comment
3001 soccer and union would rule the world
The Special One said | July 11th 2010 @ 8:31am | Report comment
The crowds have to be taken in context.
The richmond game really has one set of fans, richmond, hence a small crowd. Geelong v Hawthorn can draw on two sets of fans and hence the bigger attendance.
I guess AFL games are used to getting bigger crowds so when “only” 25,000 turn up its a sign that things are moving backwards for whatever reason. Will be interesting to see if Port Adelaide survive the future.
As for the Sydney FC v Everton game. It wasnt until the tickets for this game were reduced to $20 from the $50 original price that tickets started moving.
It shows that australians are more than willing to watch quality teams play soccer, but dont expect to be ripped off in the process.
Mega said | July 11th 2010 @ 8:42am | Report comment
In the context for each code. For the AFL 25,000 is poor yet that’s a great figure for the NRL.
ItsCalledFootball said | July 11th 2010 @ 4:04pm | Report comment
The other compelling context is how much each code spends on publicity, marketing, advertising, buying rugby league players, media coverage, media and press exposure.
The SFC v Everton game had almost no media support in Sydney.
Which sport gets the most publicity and spends the most on advertising, marketing and promotions?
Forgetmenot said | July 11th 2010 @ 4:25pm | Report comment
Stop spreading lies, there was plenty of media support of the game.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/soccer/dwight-yorke-to-play-for-sydney-fc-against-everton/story-e6frey4r-1225887309013
http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-sport/strong-everton-squad-to-tour-australia-20100607-xoyl.html
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/07/09/2949817.htm
http://au.sports.yahoo.com/football/news/article/-/7558679/
http://www.theroar.com.au/2010/05/13/cahills-everton-to-play-pre-season-matches-in-australia/
http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,27061974-29437,00.html
Beaver fever said | July 11th 2010 @ 4:57pm | Report comment
Its called football said –
“Everton game had almost no media support in Sydney.
Which sport gets the most publicity and spends the most on advertising, marketing and promotions?”
In Sydney, RL of course !!.
akazie said | July 11th 2010 @ 5:18pm | Report comment
More AFL coverage and promotion in NSW/Sydney than RL.
If you don’t live here, how can you comment about it?
AFL has a lot more coverage alone on TV with all stations promoting it.
Forgetmenot said | July 11th 2010 @ 5:27pm | Report comment
No. NRL gets more coverage than the AFL in the television media.
Perhaps the AFL gets more than you think they should, but the NRL definitely gets more.
Akazie said | July 11th 2010 @ 6:27pm | Report comment
No, AFL gets shoved down our throats whether we like it or not.
During RL games, ads for AFL, during RL shows, ads for AFL, 7/10 and 9 all have AFL games or shows.
Sports tonight, always AFL, shows like the offsiders on ABC, filled with AFL whilst booting everything else.
You’re an AFL fan, you’d probably love it and think every ad should have AFL in it somewhere, fair enough for AFL states I suppose, but not where other codes are bigger.
If I had a $ for every time I’ve seen that Hungry jacks ad for the AFL GF, I’d be a millionaire.
Rich_daddy said | July 11th 2010 @ 9:38pm | Report comment
RL gets shoved down Sydney viewers, particularly by channel 9. The way they were flogging the dead horse of State of Origin 3 was criminal. Message for the AFL: for the sake of eastern AFL supporters, do not give the AFL rights to channel 9.
Forgetmenot said | July 11th 2010 @ 9:46pm | Report comment
Akazie,
No. You are simply seeing one AFL story/ad as one too many. The AFL does not shove themselves down our throats in Sydney.
The Hungy Jacks ad is not an AFL ad. Perhaps it is showing the changing of the tide in Sydney.
Beaver fever said | July 11th 2010 @ 9:51pm | Report comment
Akazie said If I had a $ for every time I’ve seen that Hungry jacks ad for the AFL GF, I’d be a millionaire.
You ought to get your missus to cook more !!.
Anthony said | July 13th 2010 @ 11:12am | Report comment
currently am living in Dee Why. Publicity for NRL is in overload, & out of all proportion to attendances in Sydney & FTA television. In AFL dominated states NRL gets more publicity than AFL in Sydney. Check it out!
Joe FC said | July 11th 2010 @ 10:18am | Report comment
Adrian why are you surprised at the sellout for the Netball GF? Far from being a fringe sport it, along with cricket are Australia’s only truly national sports.
mahony said | July 11th 2010 @ 1:00pm | Report comment
Garbage – you forget football. Participation way beyond cricket and team in every fart-ass hamlet from Cairns to Hobart and Sydney to Perth. Nice try. I am not at all surprised that Netball sold out its GF – but I won’t be selective in describing its national competitors. If you are fair dinkum, the champion organized participation sports are football (men) and netball (women) – it is some distance back to the likes of cricket, AFL and the rugbys. The Sports Commission reports have demonstrated this for years.
ItsCalledFootball said | July 11th 2010 @ 2:33pm | Report comment
How do you arrive at that Joe FC?
Football is a true national sport and the highest participation rate of all the football codes across the country, male female, any age or nationality – including indigenous.
Its only second to netball as the highest participation team sport.
Sport was invented to be played – not watched!
Joe FC said | July 11th 2010 @ 4:25pm | Report comment
I wish I could agree with you on football being our national game but honesty and reality prevent me from holding this opinion. Participation rates are only part of the story. When other factors such as crowds, gate takings, print & electronic media coverage and anecdotal evidence are taken into account football has a lot of leeway to make up before I would consider its status the equivalent of what it is in England.
Forgetmenot said | July 11th 2010 @ 4:28pm | Report comment
ROFL LOL … you lot honestly believe that soccer is a national sport of Australia!!! LOL … whoa. That is honestly the funniest thing i have heard on The Roar to date!!
ROFL LOL
You guys arent even the most popular sport in ANY capital, none!!!
Forgetmenot said | July 11th 2010 @ 4:35pm | Report comment
http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/10/16/national-survey-says-afl-most-popular/
Karlos said | July 11th 2010 @ 8:45pm | Report comment
The trouble with these figures (and I have the whole report here) is that we do not know what constitutes AFL as no description is given. I would take a guess and say it includes Auskick as it does in all other AFL participation figures.
If Rugby League was to add the various versions of the game (Rugby League, Touch Footy. Oz Tag, Backyard Rugby League) the figure would exceed the other codes by a long shot and come in at about 950,000. I think this is something that helps explain the great TV ratings for RL when the game is said to have far fewer participants than AFL or Soccer (and it is Soccer and was called Soccer in England untill 1960s or so, when they decided to try and steal the name for themselves).
Beaver fever said | July 11th 2010 @ 9:43pm | Report comment
As i have explained before why would you not include auskick, our club in Perth has around 400 auskickers-all paid up and play on saturday mornings, they are as much a part of our club as the under 16′s. All our auskickers are in teams and play in house, year4′s (under9′s) start playing other terams from other clubs within the district.
I think the confusion is around after school auskick, it may happen in Perth, but i am unaware of it.
If a kid signs up for it, i believe it has to be a 6 week or over course, may be a lot more prevalent in NSW, but those kids may or may not be a member of a community footy club.
Michael C said | July 12th 2010 @ 12:48pm | Report comment
Auskick are NOT counted in ERASS (Govt) surveys of people aged 15 and over…….
Mr Cool said | July 12th 2010 @ 1:47pm | Report comment
It is unwise to compare followings for each Sport, what should be happening is that the NRL should wake up and realise that the game must change, The Dinosaurs didn’t change and they are only found in museums now. What the NRL needs is a leadership group that can generate a long term plan to improve the sport. The ‘happenings’ of the last two years have put our sport back twenty years and where probably foreseeable.. In Japan they have a word “KAIZEN’ I think that is the spelling, but this word equates to a small improvement in what you do daily – every day!!..
oikee said | July 11th 2010 @ 10:23am | Report comment
T/V crowds are the only crowds that matter. The NRL can just add t/v crowds and crowd roar technology later, same as AFL are going to do. That was a skinny 25 thousand at Etihad, and the crowd noise was for a 50 thousand crowd, not 25 thousand. You had better tell your crowd noise directors to get it right.
AFL crowds are in decline, ? must be, according to the memberships, the MCG should be sold out every week, only 70 thousand crowds are low really. Considering that afl is the only game played in Melbourne.
Luc said | July 11th 2010 @ 8:43pm | Report comment
Oikee,
I was at the Richmond – Freo game as a neutral observer with some friends who are mad Tigers fans. The noise that those 25000 Richmond fans was deafening. I wish my team (Melbourne Demons) had supporters that were that passionate.
I didn’t watch it on telly, but no director would have had to boost the noise from that crowd.
Beaver fever said | July 11th 2010 @ 9:34pm | Report comment
Watched it on the tele and the crowd noise was over the top, but clearly the Tigers ran themselves and the crowd into a frenzy, if any team played like that every week they would win 99% of games.
The Dockers did themselves no favours, but the tigers would not be denied, anyone who saw them sing their song after the game would have realised that the Tigers were running on adrenalin (and that was without cuz)
Joel said | July 11th 2010 @ 10:25am | Report comment
What’s this? Another subtlety biased AFL article? The insidious pro-AFL agenda throughout this site makes me sick. It’s obvious you only want to compare these events because the inevitable conclusion is that all the other codes are weak in relation to the AFL.
You know there are 17 Richmond games in Victoria, that game received no publicity and was appealing only to fans of the participating sides, one group of which is 3,000+ km away. You know Richmond were not expected to win, their ‘run’ has not really received much attention and they still have no hope of reaching the finals and they’ve been rubbish for 30 years. All this and they still drew a crowd in the middle of winter that would be considered an outrageous success in other leagues.
You also know there are 12 Port Adelaide games in South Australia, that the Mark Williams affair unravelled late and would have had neglible impact on attendance. Port Adelaide also have no hope of reaching the finals. Again, it was a match appealing only to fans of the participants, one group of which was 1,000km away. Ditto, a cold night in the middle of winter in the open too.
You know the once off RL and soccer games would have benefited from a much larger special event promotional budgets and could reasonably be expected to maximise attendances from a broader base of appeal.
Quite clearly, the only reason you wanted to compare these two relatively weak AFL games to RL and soccer special events was to highlight the strength of the AFL. That shows terrible bias and it’s completely unnecessary to stick the boot into other codes like that.
I also think your dig at those code whingers that don’t understand economics was unnecessary. We all know netball is not a fringe sport, because it has 600,000 competition players, it’s certainly no less a fringe sport than soccer. You’re only pretending so to make fools of those people that think supply creates demand, like basketball did 20 years ago when it thought it was about to dominate Australian sports.
Mega said | July 11th 2010 @ 11:03am | Report comment
Biased AFL article? Saying Port Power isn’t sustainable and that the NRL should expand into Adelaide…. how is that bias to the AFL?
Joel said | July 11th 2010 @ 11:47am | Report comment
Port Power isn’t sustainable with average crowds of 35,000, assuming the article is correct, and an NRL club is sustainable when it barely manages to scrape past 10,000 for a once off special event? While that’s better than the NRL’s average ratings in Adelaide, on the whole it’s so ridiculous it can only be satire.
He’s hardly going to come out and explicitly rub the others codes nose’s in it, but he has led us to the trough where we can form only the one possible conclusion, the other codes are minnows to the AFL. I can only shake my head at this despicable bias.
Mega said | July 11th 2010 @ 12:01pm | Report comment
One was the home game for a local team, the other was a game with no local interest. You need to put those figures into context. I can’t see any AFL bias at all. Think you’re seeing what he wanna see to prove your point.
Joel said | July 11th 2010 @ 12:10pm | Report comment
No, I won’t be fooled. One was a run of the mill game, of which there are many, for a team that is performing poorly. The other was a special event intended to gauge interest for expansion which would have drawn the interest of every NRL fan in Adelaide. It’s really “crisis” vs “best effort” and there is only one reasonable conclusion, we are having our legs pulled.
Akazie said | July 11th 2010 @ 1:02pm | Report comment
Funny, I thought the Storm were wooden spooners this year Joel?
People don’t want to watch them because plenty feel they’ll be taking it easy because they have nothing to play for.
10k was a decent turnout in a stadium that looked like a construction yard with no promotion, a team in Canterbury who had lost 6 out of their past 8 games and playing against wooden spooners.
10k is bad for RL in Adelaide, 13k is bad for RL in Perth, but these crowd figures are posted as brilliant for the AFL when games are played on the Gold Coast, Canberra, Northern Territory or anywhere else with wall to wall promotion?
Take the blinkers off mate.
I seem to recall a few AFL crowds in the last couple of years played on the Gold Coast where it hasn’t sold out even though one of the teams playing where from up the road in the Brisbane Lions, yet according to Dean Ladley, anytime a crowd of between 7k-13k turns up on the Coast it was a sellout.
Funny, RL managed to double those crowds in the same stadium before the Titans came along.
Joel said | July 13th 2010 @ 1:23pm | Report comment
Technically the Storm are wooden spooners, but does anyone care in the context of what is basically an exhibition game? For example, Who the hell knows or cares what happened to Everton before their exhibition game? A special event is a special event, you either get to it or miss out possibly for a long time.
For some perspective on the rest of your comment, the population of Adelaide is bigger than Canberra, Darwin and the Gold Coast combined.
Beaver fever said | July 11th 2010 @ 12:05pm | Report comment
Well !, whatever your opinion, you probably wont get any feedback from Adrian.
Joel said | July 11th 2010 @ 12:11pm | Report comment
I think I can live with that.
Beaver fever said | July 11th 2010 @ 12:20pm | Report comment
I can see what you are getting at, have a look through Adrians past articles and you can see what he wants to say, but really does not come out and say it !!.
Port Adelaide will be fine and when travelling OK (form wise ) more than justify’s their existence at the top level.
Adrian possibly thinks if he says enough times, that Port is on the brink and they will roll over, it will push AU up the ladder !! ?, maybe i am just imagining it all though.
Mega said | July 11th 2010 @ 12:35pm | Report comment
Yes you are. Port are in huge debt and the debate has been ongoing in Adelaide about their future. They are relying on AFL support to pay the bills. They have the worst crowd averages in the league and they are dropping. They are far from fine.
Joel said | July 13th 2010 @ 1:26pm | Report comment
Port Adelaide have as much chance of folding as Australia has of defaulting on its foreign debt.
Anthony said | July 13th 2010 @ 11:24am | Report comment
Can’t you see Joel’s big smile!
Beaver fever said | July 11th 2010 @ 11:24am | Report comment
I believe only 27,000 for the Wet toast against the Crows, which could be their lowest crowd for years, but i think we know why, however their membership is sold out and a waiting of about 7,000. The WCE will sell out again next year and 99% of members will renew, the reality in WA is that Eagles memberships become available when someone either dies or moves away without selling to friends.
The Tigers have a massive fan base, but need to show they are having a go and they will be once again part of the big Melbourne four (Coll, Car, Ess, Rich, Apoligies to Haw) but i would have thought 32 K to the Dockers game.
IMO the PA/Coll crowd was dissapointing, i would have thought around 30.000 at least.
Redb said | July 12th 2010 @ 10:53am | Report comment
yeah funny that Beaver, Adrian actually missed the one crowd that was truly below par. Being on the bottom of the ladder is a unique experience for Wet Toast fans.