Once again South African rugby just doesn’t get it
By Spiro Zavos, 23 Jul 2010 Spiro Zavos is a Roar Expert
157 Have your say
Related coverage
- Tri Nations Tournament news
- International Rugby Union - Six Nations, Heineken Cup, Rugby Championship news
- South Africa Springboks news
The SARU boss Oregan Hoskins has intructed the South African representative on the SANZAR legal committee, Judge Lex Mpati, to complain about what he sees as a clear bias by SANZAR against the Springboks.
The issues are a ‘lack of consistency’ in SANZAR’s legal committee, and a specific complaint that Jean de Villiers was treated harshly for his dangerous tackle on Renee Ranger when the All Black winger was lifted well above the waist level and then slammed on to the ground.
Ranger was shaken up by the tackle.
As a general argument in support of the complaint, the SARU asserts that the All Blacks captain Richie McCaw was “getting away with too much” at the breakdown and should have been yellow-carded at Wellington. Also, “nothing was done” about Ranger for an earlier ‘no-arms’ tackle against the Springboks full back, Zane Kirchner.
Taking the tackle Ranger tackle first, it is a marginal call to insist that this was a ‘no-arms’ tackle. Replays show that Ranger led with his arms, as a player is legally required to do. His shoulder then hit Kirchner’s chest when the collision was made.
This tackle was penalised, which was the appropriate penalty if it was deemed a shoulder charge that was below the runner’s head. In no way was the tackle comparable to de Villier’s dumping of Ranger.
De Villiers, in fact, was lucky to escape a much longer sentence which would have followed if the tackle, as it might have been, had been deemed to be a spear tackle.
Moreover, the SARU makes no reference to Kirchner’s head-high tackle on Corry Jane which was much worse that Ranger’s tackle and was not even penalised.
As for the McCaw nonsense, the All Blacks captain was penalised three times in the match. He was penalised once inside his own 22 for killing the ball when the video evidence revealed he actually turned the ball over legitimately, as he did later in the match.
After this penalty, the referee, Alain Rolland, gave the All Blacks a general warning that any more penalties inside their 22 would result in a yellow card. McCaw was penalised after this inside the Springboks half.
The New Zealand commentators, who clearly were not listening to the referee, could not understand why he wasn’t yellow carded. The reason was obvious, the offence was not inside the New Zealand 22.
Graham Henry has responded to the Springboks coach Peter de Villiers warning that he will have to coach his players ‘to cheat’ (the first coaching he has done for some time, I’d suggest) with the comment that Rolland was correct in his rulings in allowing a contest at the ruck “which is important … otherwise one side will get the ball all day.”
The basic principles of rugby as written down by the IRB insist that rugby is a game about a contest for possession of the ball. As Henry said, Rolland refereed very well at the tackle.
The problem here for the Springboks is that they have refused to adjust to the new interpretations. Instead of tackling low and sending in second diggers for the ball, the Springboks have continued to pick huge forwards who generally tackle high and are reluctant to release the tackled player as the law says they should.
An observant reader of The Roar has picked up, too, that the All Blacks are going over the top of the tackled player when the tackle is around the legs. This is the old-fashioned way New Zealand teams used to ruck.
The All Blacks won about three turnovers with this legal tactic of getting their upright bodies ahead of the tackled player.
The Springboks, on the other hand, and we will see this again probably at Brisbane on Saturday night, tend to dive over the tackled player.
A ploy that is illegal.
More generally, there is an arrogance about the SARU’s complaint. In the two Tests against the All Blacks, the Springboks had Botha sent off for deliberately lying on the ball on the Boks tryline only about 15 minutes before he had head-butted Jimmy Cowan out in the open.
And then Danie Rossouw in the second Test flicked McCaw’s eyes (a rugby no-no) and then kneed him.
This incident happened at the beginning of the Test, just like Botha’s head-butt, and like Shalk Burger’s eye-gouging against the British and Irish Lions last year.
When you look back at the Springboks, there is a pattern of taking out a player early on in a Test. The wonder is that they think they can continue to get away with this thuggish play.
If the referees are so hostile to them, too, how does SARU explain that Botha’s head-butt and Kirchner’s head high tackle were both missed by the referee and the assistant referees?
SARU should also explain why they allow coach de Villiers, who is becoming a buffoon who disgraces the great South African rugby tradition, to support Burger’s eye-gouging and Botha’s many acts of thuggery, including his latest head-butt.
And while we’re at it, how do they allow de Villiers to continue to select Botha as soon as he comes back from one his frequent bans, and puts Butch James, another serial thug, into his match 22?
James was on the field for about 5 minutes in the first Test against the All Blacks. He threw Brad Thorn out of the way, illegally, and then gave Jane a facial massage that went very close to choking and eye-gouging.
If the SARU were serious about bias in the judicial system, they would issue an instruction that Botha and James are never to play for the Springboks again. And that coach de Villiers will stop from supporting his players when they are blatantly guilty of foul play.
Last year, the Springboks, with the support of SARU, wore black arm bands in support of ‘Justice4Bathies’ when he banned for charging illegally into a maul and breaking the arm of a Lions forward. Botha head-butted an All Black in the opening seconds of a Test, an action that even Victor Matfield concedes was ‘unacceptable.’
The fact that the SARU and the Springboks can’t see the link between their bizarre ‘Justice4Bakkies’ demonstration and Botha’s continued thuggish play is an unacceptable proof that South African rugby just doesn’t get it.
If you continually condone thuggish play and select players who have a history of thuggishness, you’ll get the deserved reputation of being a dirty team.
I’m looking forward to the Springboks proving me wrong at Brisbane that they can play an important Test without someone disgracing the jersey with unacceptable play.
Enjoy sports? Enjoy a bargain? All Sports Online has your favourite sporting brands at up to 70% off. Online only, premium quality sporting goods and merchandise at discounted prices. Get a deal now.

miguel said | July 23rd 2010 @ 3:14am | Report comment
Lets be straight about some things here. From what I can make of the replays Rossuw was yellow carded for using his boot(his little kick) against McCaw. Was the specific action itself actually dangerous? No, but the general act is, so thats why we can accept the outcome. Plenty of people will cry that it was too harsh, but if you use your boot you should consider yourself lucky to only ever see a yellow. That said it would have also been acceptable for him to be yellow carded for making contact with Mccaw’s face, but it wasn’t an eye gouge in any sense just as De Villers tackle was not a spear. The acts were reckless and dangerous but were not at the level of gouging and spear tackling.
You’re twisting history by using the incident with Botha and Jones. SARU and the springbok’s “Justice4″ armband was an incredibly stupid and insulting display (if anyone needs justice it the pacific island nations which are consistently the target of uneven and unfair sentences), but the core of their arguement was accepted by pundits and coaches from all over the Lions’ camp- Botha’s challenge was fair. Has Bakkies displayed more than his fair share of aggression? I would say yes, but I wouldn’t call him a thug, and if I did I would have to inculded Brad Thorn in there, where you’re so quick to list him as a victim of Butch James.
After Cowan held back Botha for his charge down, Botha head butted him. After Smith pushed Thorn, Thorn picked him up turned him and dropped him. If you want to call De viller’s tackle a spear then you have to say the same for Thorn. If Botha is a thug then Thorn is too.
McCaw should have been yellow-carded. For game management purposes, it didnt matter if the penalty came in the springbok half, it occured after the same player (captain no less) had been warned at the ruck.
You are right in your general arguement that the springboks have failed to adapt. they need to look closely at their tactics ( among other things). Questionable decisions by the ref havent helped their efforts but arent the reason they’ve lost these two tests.
Jerry said | July 23rd 2010 @ 6:37am | Report comment
The warning was specifically about penalties committed in the 22 .
katzilla said | July 23rd 2010 @ 6:46am | Report comment
“If Botha is a thug then Thorn is too”
Thats Hillarious. They’re not even in the same ball park. One has an ongoing history of disreputable play the other was suspended once for lifting a player. Your trying to lump an honest toiler in with a serial thug because his one indescretion was commited as a poor reaction? Nice one.
TembaVJ said | July 23rd 2010 @ 8:31am | Report comment
Thorn got one week for that spear and dump tackle on Smit that injured him for 2 matches. JDV got 2 weeks for far less.
In fear of changing rugby into football with players crying rolling around on the ground like Rene then hop up after a penalty is given, we should always remember that rugby is a contact sport.
Sprio if you think Danie’s “eye gouge” was such a big no-no then why was he not banned for a couple of weeks too? What you really agreeing too is that the commission is is not consistent. What about Thorn clearing out the ruck dangerously by flying in at speed, if that were bakkies, you would be up in arms.
But we can all say thanks to Bakkies, his foolish head butt has set the tone for the rest of the 3N.
The ref clearly warned McCaw twice the second time was when SA were finaly in attack and close to the line, its cynical for a team that promotes the running game.
Anyways take what ever PDV says and have a chuckle, he is a clown after all
Jerry said | July 23rd 2010 @ 12:48pm | Report comment
The punishment is essentially exactly the same – 1 match missed. Of course the judiciary knows that the Boks don’t have a match next week. And Smit injured his groin (and didn’t actually go off for nearly half an hour) – it’s not exactly BOD material.
And continuing to peddle the “McCaw was warned twice” is just making people look stupid now.
TembaVJ said | July 23rd 2010 @ 12:59pm | Report comment
Speaking of BOD, who were the thugs involved with that one?
Jerry said | July 23rd 2010 @ 5:26pm | Report comment
I think that would be fair play winning Pierre de Coubertin winning All Black captain Tana Umaga and Keven Mealamu. No-one is saying no All Black has ever committed an indiscretion and we’ve had our share of thugs (though there’s no way Keven and Tana are twho of them) but surely you can’t deny that the Boks have been over-represented in that regard in the modern era.
By the way, nothing to say about the whole “warned twice” thing?
Lee said | July 23rd 2010 @ 1:08pm | Report comment
In his book, John Smit said he went into the game with a slight groin injury, and that he shouldn’t of played. He goes so far as to say that Thorns lift was in no way responsible for him going off injured.
warrenexpatinnz said | July 23rd 2010 @ 12:33pm | Report comment
Thorn is a legend, plays 80 minutes and gives 100% and when he is not on the park the ABs go back a gear or two in the pack. From memory he has only ever had two yellow cards that I remember, high tackle on a slipping Gitteau and a wrestling throw on Smit.
TembaVJ said | July 23rd 2010 @ 12:56pm | Report comment
According to someone else’s stats Thorn is responsible for one fifth the AB’s yellow card count… what a thug.
I see most here seem to think Matfield is over the hill, Du Preez is injured so SA has no more claim to the “best” in the world… At least we can still claim the “dirtiest” Thanks Bakkies
Jerry said | July 23rd 2010 @ 6:05pm | Report comment
“Someone else” being “Someone who makes stats up out of thin air”?
inkosi said | July 23rd 2010 @ 8:02am | Report comment
Don’t forget although JDV was called before the citing commission – he did plead guilty!
jokerman said | July 23rd 2010 @ 5:20pm | Report comment
Miguel is the opposite, the shadow, the contrast, to this brilliant insightful article by Spiro. Such irate hypocrisy from the SpringBoks camp. Nice to see some break down with detail of their egoic ways
MM said | July 24th 2010 @ 11:59am | Report comment
Migual – very well stated.
It’s objective and fair
Photon said | July 23rd 2010 @ 4:27am | Report comment
Spiro
Why is okay for Bakkies to get a yellow for killing the ball when just a test later McCaw does the same and gets no card even after 2 warnings. As for proving you wrong, Spiro you dislike the Boks and there is nothing they could do to change that. It’s a lot like how some people prefer Brazilian Football to the more boring German style. The one style is easy on the eye and admired by many people who really only have a passing interest in football and the other is only ever appreciated by people who truly understand the sport, but also know that seeing 100 tries(read goals) can be just as fascinating as seeing one goal(read a low scoring arm wrestle) You think South African rugby is boring, unimaginative and filled with thugs and you don’t understand how they somehow have more World Cups than your beloved All Blacks. At the end of the day it’s fine and we’ve made peace with the fact that there will always be those filled with resentment, especially of those who are more successful than they are, especially when they think success on the sports field is their god given right
Jerry said | July 23rd 2010 @ 6:53am | Report comment
“McCaw does the same and gets no card even after 2 warnings.”
Sigh. He didn’t do the same after he got two warnings. He got penalised in the other half of the field half an hour after the warnings. And he didn’t get two warnings, the second one was a team warning.
katzilla said | July 23rd 2010 @ 7:01am | Report comment
Jerry, dont let the facts get in the way of a great conspiracy theory.
We needed those wins too because we have the world cup next year and we needed to generate some interest.
jiggles said | July 23rd 2010 @ 10:50am | Report comment
I agree with Katz Jerry!
Paddy O’Brien is under strict instructions from higher ups to make sure NZ win next years world cup NO MATTER WHAT!!!! for the sake of rugby in the world!!!! Imagine if the shaky Isle’s choke again next year! the whole planet may implode! PDV is smarter then you think and he realises this is all for the good of the world!
And as for the boks fans, well some one has to be sacrificed so the world is a more stable place! and I guess it has to be you guys!
Mike said | July 23rd 2010 @ 10:51am | Report comment
Ha ha – good comedy piece!
But get REAL!
ohtani's jacket said | July 23rd 2010 @ 10:58am | Report comment
What South African fans don’t realise is that after the game Richie and the boys sit around with the ref smoking cigars and singing “damn it feels good to be a gangsta.” PdV should come bearing gold watches. Preferrably with one of his 24-carat gold quotes inscribed.
Rusty said | July 23rd 2010 @ 11:21am | Report comment
I’ll pay that on pure originality
jiggles said | July 23rd 2010 @ 11:28am | Report comment
Thank you so much for explaining this to me! now it all makes sense! this is the only possible explanation for the ABs being the best in the world right now!
katzilla said | July 23rd 2010 @ 9:58pm | Report comment
Do they go postal on the photocopier afterwards OJ?
MattyP said | July 24th 2010 @ 3:56am | Report comment
Oj, best comment I have read in weeks.
Mike said | July 23rd 2010 @ 11:36am | Report comment
Actually Jiggles & PDV could be right and whats worse the conspiracy goes further.
It explains how the SA managed to beat the ABs 3 times last year!
The refs were instructed to make SA win in 2009 so that this years results for the ABs look even better!
jiggles said | July 23rd 2010 @ 11:39am | Report comment
we may be onto something here.
Mark Sims said | July 23rd 2010 @ 4:42am | Report comment
I don’t believe that the Boks or any team for that matter needs to adapt to a referees’ interpretation of the rules. Reason being, last I checked the rules were the same for EVERYONE. There is little room for interpretation and where interpretation is required, I also accept what the referee says. Richie McCaw for example got his first OFFICIAL warning, when Mr. Rolland called him over to give him his THIRD warning of the night. The worst was the fact that the Boks were 5 meters away from the All Blacks’ goal line and gaining momentum. This call stopped that momentum and took it away as McCaw stayed and the Boks were unable to win the following line out. Also, your “interpretation” of the Renee Ranger shoulder charge seems flawed, please refer to the short and nasty Law 15 and my favorite is Law 10.4(g) Dangerous charging. A player must not charge or knock down an opponent carrying the
ball without trying to grasp that player. This offense is punishable by a yellow card and penalty. In conclusion, “adapting” to referees should be out, disrespect to any player ie calling them thugs etc should be out and lastly, if you can’t take the hits in the game, YOU should be out. Take the politics out of the game, follow the rulebook as it has been written with the provisions and room for interpretation it gives and please stop using it as toilet paper and making up your own interpretations as you go along.
katzilla said | July 23rd 2010 @ 7:00am | Report comment
You live in a fairytale world.
Nothing can be clearcut where you have players in piles on the ground. It will always be open to interpretation.
You can play to the letter all day long, but don’t be surprised when your being sent off because your interpretations are different from the referee. Any idea that the Refs are all the same are pie in the sky stuff.
As for your linking of Law 10.4 – A player must not charge or knock down an opponent carrying the
ball WITHOUT TRYING TO GRASP THAT PLAYER
How do you know that he wasnt trying to grasp the player being tackled? His arms were moving upwards towards the player when Kirchner flew backwards. Looks like you’ve made your own interpretation of the incident.
jiggles said | July 23rd 2010 @ 11:31am | Report comment
Its not Rene’s fault that Kirchner is soft in the tackle. he was clearly trying to get his hands around him but Kirchner got smashed!
Jerry said | July 23rd 2010 @ 7:06am | Report comment
Making up interpretations is one thing, but you’re making up supposed facts.
charles said | July 23rd 2010 @ 11:29am | Report comment
It’s the same with whingeing reactionaries the world over … when wrong, or just short of an argument, they resort to playing the victim. There’s nothing wrong with hard rugby but face facts: Botha is a thug. As is Butch James and du Wet Barry. Now, let’s all move on!
Lee said | July 23rd 2010 @ 5:40am | Report comment
Whilst I am losing patience with PDV for his behavior in some cases. I must say, I can’t see how ANY person can claim their is not a huge among of inconsistency in the judicial process of rugby-bordering on the ridiculous. I won’t say that it is anti springbok but being a bok supporter the examples that I can come up with obviously involve them. So off the top of my head here are some questionable sentences:
1 burger gets an 8 week ban for ‘contact with the eye’. When raking into account the length of bans in the NH for this action, burgers ban is a joke. When taking into account that Botha got 9 weeks for a head butt then surely Burger deserved a harsher sentence.
2 JDV a player with an exemplary record gets 2 weeks for a spear tackle, Thorn gets 2 weeks for a lift and drop after the whistle, right in front of the ref and when the player involved never had the ball.
3 Botha gets a 2 week ban for dislocating Jones shoulder through his entry to a ruck- this action, the way Botha did it, happens every rugby game. If it is illegal then there Gould be at least one citing a match for it( I still suspect the only reason he got cited was reputation(his own fault) and the injury occurred).
4 Giteau gets no ban and no citing for taking a player out in the air with no attempt to catch the ball. Equally as dangerous as JDV tackle.
5 Cowan rakes his hand over the face of a reds player in the vicinity of the eyes in this years super 14, he is neither penalized or cited, despite this darting a brawl.
As I said there are plenty of others, and I am not trying to make a ‘books are hard done by’ case, just a case that a well as differing interpretations by refs( when the law is black and white), inconsistencies in the judiciary are a blight on the game.
Jerry said | July 23rd 2010 @ 6:54am | Report comment
Thorn has an exemplary record too. And he barely got Smit past horizontal.
Lee said | July 23rd 2010 @ 7:01am | Report comment
There is a small difference between a tackle that happens in a game during play, and then intentionally lifting someone who never had the ball and dropping them after the whistle.
Jerry said | July 23rd 2010 @ 7:04am | Report comment
Perhaps that’s why Thorn still got suspended despite his tackle being less dangerous than the likes of De Villiers?
katzilla said | July 23rd 2010 @ 7:08am | Report comment
In the judicial process maybe there isn’t a difference between the timing of a tackle.
Lee said | July 23rd 2010 @ 7:20am | Report comment
Surely there should be…a late high tackle should carry more of a ban than one that happens when the victim has the ball, and so on.
There must be some sort of a difference in severity between something that happens “in the heat of the moment” compared with something that requires a little more thought.
Rugby is a physical game and sometimes through no fault of the player an act of foul play is commited i.e a tackle slips up high, due to body positions in contact a player is lifted. Whilst dangerous, this should be taken into account as a mitigating factor. When something is off the ball/late and dangerous, to me this has a greater severity. Obviously there are problems with this interpretation too i.e. when is a hit on time but illegal, pre-meditated and when is it a genuine accident?
MarkR said | July 23rd 2010 @ 5:16pm | Report comment
I don’t know, Thorn was getting niggled after the whistle, stood up with Smit too stupid to move out of teh road then executed a lovely Kata garuma. Ref was probably wondering when the chair was going to come into the match
TembaVJ said | July 23rd 2010 @ 8:41am | Report comment
“Thorn has an exemplary record too. And he barely got Smit past horizontal”
That’s sarcasm right?
Jerry said | July 23rd 2010 @ 9:44am | Report comment
No, it’s not.
Which bit are you referring to? Thorn does have an exemplary record, that incident is the first and only time he’s been suspended.
If it’s the second bit, note the word “barely’. Smit does go beyond horizontal for a split second but by the time Smit hit the ground he was back to horizontal. Not much of a spear if the guy lands on his (oversized) arse.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZchPz1xQII&feature=PlayList&p=6D618B3DE24C8D36&playnext=1&index=1
Compare that to the Ranger tackle where Ranger was still at a 45 degree angle when he landed.
I’m not saying Brad was in the right, there’s very little control in any spear situation which is why they’re so dangerous, but the fact is the end result was that the Thorn tackle ended up marginally less dangerous.
Hoy said | July 23rd 2010 @ 10:09am | Report comment
I just thought it was a good effort to pick Smit up at all.
In reality, it is a very ugly effort by Thorn.
jiggles said | July 23rd 2010 @ 11:37am | Report comment
smith looks lean and mean there, compared to the dough boy running around lately
jiggles said | July 23rd 2010 @ 11:42am | Report comment
this was a video linked to the smit v thorn one.
its cannon and mealamu from 2004. in all honesty what was cannon thinking! mealamu got clocked in the snoz and didn’t even flinch!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ASdxXQnrd8&feature=related
TembaVJ said | July 23rd 2010 @ 11:45am | Report comment
What a bunch of thughs playing thugby.
Rusty said | July 23rd 2010 @ 11:45am | Report comment
Yeah – I remember that. Cannon knew life was going to get interesting when Kev didnt even bat an eyelid
jiggles said | July 23rd 2010 @ 11:53am | Report comment
I ran into cannon a few years back at a shopping centre and asked him “What were you thinking” his reply,
“it was one of those moments where you have a complete brain snap, and just after it happens you get that sick feeling in your stomach that you are going to get punished very very badly.”
hahaha its not like it was a soft punch, as kev’s head went flying back, Its more to do with his noggin being built like a nuclear bomb shelter!
MattyP said | July 24th 2010 @ 4:07am | Report comment
Good punch, great chin. The outstanding memory from this was the gutlessness of “King” Carlos Spencer. If I was an All Black I would have just stood back and let Big Kev take care of that situations, he had it well in hand!
Craig Johanson said | July 23rd 2010 @ 1:16pm | Report comment
On looking at that again, Smit appeared to have Thorn around the head and then did something to his head/face as they were getting up which Thorn then responded to with the dump.
It wasn’t a spear tackle by any means.
I have a high regard for both players and their hard but clean play, so this incident to me is quite out of the ordinary.
Hombre said | July 23rd 2010 @ 6:12am | Report comment
Whatever way you want to try and wrap this you’d have to question whether the boks are in the right headspace for this weekends match – esp if you listen to the latest rubbish coming from PDV .- he’s basically accused the IRB and refs of a conspiracy in order to promote next years W/cup at the expense of his side and the TN as a meaningful competition.
Prior to this rubbish I put the trash talking down to an attempt to merely deflect away from the 2 poor performances in NZ and how his coaching team had got things so drastically wrong – but this latest statement speaks volumes – this is a real circle the wagons boys the world’s against us mentality …. Wallabies surely can’t stuff up on Saturday and not take advantage of this – still seeing it as a scrappy, error ridden game – but now with the Wallabies coming out on top
Ben S said | July 23rd 2010 @ 6:29am | Report comment
‘(the first coaching he has done for some time, I’d suggest)’
Lol. This kitty has claws. Can we have some remarks like this every wekk?
pothale said | July 23rd 2010 @ 6:39am | Report comment
I’m also beginning to compare the length of bans handed out to NH players in the last 12 months compared to the relatively easy treatment that are now occurring again for the SH countries.
After Burger’s light sentence from the Lions test last year, the IRB went into overdrive for the NH season and people like Duput, Attoub, Jennings, etc got substantial bans. Is the pendulum now swinging back the other way?
PdV has been more specific in his complaints arguing that it is NH refs who are largely at fault.
It seems to be a growing trend for SH teams/nations to complain loudly enough about refs where some action is taken against the ref – directly or indirectly. I’m trying honestly to recall if this happens as much in NH games. France did plenty of talking about Ireland in advance of their 6N match in Paris about being serial cheaters, etc. But they didn’t make any reference to the ref.
Colin N said | July 23rd 2010 @ 9:47am | Report comment
And England had a period of receiving yellow cards in virtually every game, including four against the All Blacks. Some were correct and some wrong, but they didn’t blame the referee but instead made an effort to improve their discipline.
Banahan was also harshly banned for what was a fantastic tackle on Barnes.
Lee said | July 23rd 2010 @ 6:47am | Report comment
And as far as the referees interpretation of the breakdown goes, here are the steps they should referee too according to IRB laws:
1) A tackle occurs.
Players must not handle the ball, unless they had their hands on the ball before the ruck was formed(Law 16.4b).
2) Tackler releases tackled player immediately(Law 15.4a) If the Tackler fails to do this, or fails to roll away from the tackle or attemps to play the ball, then PENALTY.
3) Tackled player must place the ball/release immediately(Law 15.5a-d).
4) Tackler can now play at the ball from any direction, provided a ruck has not formed (Law 15.4c)
5) Any player arriving to the tackle(not a ruck yet), can play at the ball(Law 15.5e) provided they come from behind the ball i.e. onside position. They can go for the ball immediately(Law 15.6b)
6) If any player from either team arrives and dives over/onto the ball carrier in an effort to win the ball, then they are penalised(Law 14.1)
7) Once a player from each team has arrived and are contesting for the ball, and are on their feet, a ruck has formed(Law 16 Definitions)
9) Any player joining, taking part in a ruck must be on their feet (Law 16.2d).
Now obviously, this happens very quickly, but there is little room for ‘interpretation’ as far as the law is concerned, The only error a ref can make is if he fails to see one of the things above, and rules for something that happened just after.
Also from the laws on the website, the tackler does not have to allow the tackled player to place the ball, the tackler simply has to release the tackled player.
For my mind, part of the problem with the breakdown currently is the whole players off their feet at a ruck. You go off your feet and it should be a penalty- how many times though do we see players come charging into a ruck and go off their feet instantly, with no repercussion, destroying a contest for the ball. IN fact it almost seems encouraged in order for there to be quick ball.
Jerry said | July 23rd 2010 @ 7:14am | Report comment
Is that interpretation from last year still in effect? The one that stated if the first defending player (be he tackler or otherwise) got his hands on the ball legally prior to a tackle becoming a ruck, he is allowed to continue playing the ball once the ruck starts?
Lee said | July 23rd 2010 @ 7:22am | Report comment
It is still in the IRB laws from their website…
MattyP said | July 24th 2010 @ 4:16am | Report comment
One bit you missed – other opposition players involved in the tackle and who don’t go to ground, and so who are “other players”, not tacklers. 15.6(c) requires them to release the ball and the tackled player. They can then play the ball so long as they are on their feet and onside (ie not from “any direction” as a tackler can). This bit seems to be the most confusing for a lot of teams, especially the South Africans. Heinrich Broussouw was an expert at turnovers when refs weren’t enforcing other players being required to release the ball and the tackled player before playing the ball. Since they started enforcing it – Heinrich who?
Lee said | July 24th 2010 @ 7:58am | Report comment
Uh he has been injured for a good chunk of the S14 and will be out for most of the test season.
I think most teams are getting away with us, just see how quickly the second player arriving at a ruck goes fior the ball straight away.
Mike said | July 23rd 2010 @ 7:11am | Report comment
PDV is plainly mad! The latest joke re this clown is his World Cup conspiracy theory! Which all his players must be in on too as they played so poorly and Bakkies like his usual thug status. Get real PDV – you were soundly beaten by a much better team – stop whinning – you need to lose wioth more dignity – you are sounding more and more like Robert Mugabwe! Soon SA rugby will lose all credibility. Time for a new SA coach???
charles said | July 23rd 2010 @ 11:36am | Report comment
PDV is the coach? Silly me, I thought it was Dick Muir, judging from activity in the coaches’ box.
Seiran said | July 23rd 2010 @ 7:13am | Report comment
GALATIANS 6: 7-9 (KJV) 7: ‘Be not deceived’; ‘for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap’.
Sums it up nicely I think.