Grand final replay raises more than a few eyebrows
By Justin Rodski, 27 Sep 2010 Justin Rodski is a Roar Guru
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St Kilda players reaction to the final siren with scores level during the 2010 Toyota AFL Grand Final between the Collingwood Magpies and the St Kilda Saints at the MCG, Melbourne.
The fallout from the AFL’s drawn grand final has already ruffled the feathers of a number of other sporting codes. But league boss Andrew Demetriou is making no apologies for the replay rule. In fact, while there were no losers in Saturday’s drawn grand final, there already is one clear winner, and that is the AFL.
It’s estimated the league’s windfall for the extra game could run as high as $25 million.
Despite criticism of the draw, as opposed to playing extra time to ensure an immediate result, the AFL is far from sympathetic.
Having said that, a draw next week will be decided in extra time. Three grand finals would apparently be one too many.
Thankfully at least the league will up the clubs’ and players’ prize money because of the special circumstances.
But for others, one AFL grand final is more than enough and the need for a replay has caused headaches everywhere.
The official start of the Melbourne Racing Carnival – the Turnbull Stakes at Flemington – has been moved from Saturday to Sunday to dodge the grand final.
The MCG’s cricket pitches were scheduled to be dropped into the turf last night but will have to wait, while the MCG confronts an organisational nightmare.
The A-League’s first ever Melbourne derby between Heart and Victory has been shifted from next Saturday night to the following Friday.
Soccer’s marquee match in Melbourne for the summer has been officially and accidentally hi-jacked by the AFL.
The opening round of club cricket has been postponed and the world road cycling championships in Geelong will become a mere footnote.
While for the players, well, they’d hoped to be celebrating a premiership and firing up for a big mad Monday today.
Instead both sides are back in recovery mode and ultimately still coming to grips with that surreal feeling after the game.
Saints Captain Nick Riewoldt yesterday said “if you want a description for nothing in the dictionary that was it, it was just nothing.”
After labeling the draw a ‘joke’ Magpies Captain Nick Maxwell didn’t back away from his post match comments yesterday.
And quite surprisingly admitted the Magpies were lucky.
“I’m not a believer in playing again next week but I think we dodged a bullet” Maxwell said.
Both teams must now reload for the decider.
If anything, at least a re-match might give another player a chance to live their premiership dream.
Selection will certainly be interesting this week regardless.
After selflessly pulling himself out of Saturday’s game due to injury, does Simon Prestigiacomo earn a recall?
Did Leon Davis do enough to keep his spot in the team?
Will Michael Gardiner’s hamstring recover in time or will Ben McEvoy’s hard luck story have a chance of a fairytale ending?
But then another pitfall, if he does play, McEvoy won’t be able to enjoy the grand final parade, the AFL confirming a luncheon will be in its place.
It might also be a nervous wait for some, with the match review panel to scrutinise a number of incidents.
The major concerns are:
Darren Jolly for striking Justin Koschitzke, Ben Johnson for a series of jumper punches, and Brendan Goddard for a knee to the head of former teammate Luke Ball.
While I think all will get off, due to the inconsistency and unpredictability of the match review panel this year, you just never know.
The draw wasn’t a great result for the bookies either.
Sportsbet alone lost seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars, and if the Saints win the rematch that number will rise again.
So I guess it won’t be just Collingwood supporters barracking for the Magpies after all.
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September 27th 2010 @ 8:57am
Rich_daddy said | September 27th 2010 @ 8:57am | Report comment
I think this game highlights just how jam packed the sporting schedule in Australia really is. Everyone knew this rule existed and everyone knew that it could happen (Julia Gillard soothsayer?). The AFL probably should have taken out some sort of insurance policy for this sort of situation. Would have scheduling the replay a lot easier
What a game though. I thought Milne was going to run into an open goal but he seemed to be moving in slow motion.
Justin,
I am little naive to the betting scence. Why did Sportsbet lose money? Did that many people actually tip the draw? I would have thought anyone betting on Collingwood or St Kilda would have lost their money.
September 27th 2010 @ 10:12am
Mister Football said | September 27th 2010 @ 10:12am | Report comment
Rich daddy – you’re spot on about Milne – thought the exact same thing! Maybe subconsciously he was happy to get a point rather than nothing?
Also, I read a report saying that betting agencies made a killing on it.
September 27th 2010 @ 12:57pm
Redb said | September 27th 2010 @ 12:57pm | Report comment
How was the bounce of the ball, if it had stayed true, Saints by 5 pts or possibly the Pies by a point if they got the ball faster enough out of the centre on reset.
September 27th 2010 @ 9:15am
zach said | September 27th 2010 @ 9:15am | Report comment
There are actually two clear winners – the other being the Victorian economy. Our government falls over itself to attract major events to this state and now an extra one has fallen in our lap. We didn’t have to spend any money, build any stadiums or grease the palms of any corrupt overseas sporting officials to get it. It’s a freebie. According to today’s Age it is worth tens of millions to Victorian business.
Plus we get to see more football! Where is the downside?
September 27th 2010 @ 6:05pm
Brian said | September 27th 2010 @ 6:05pm | Report comment
Its not worth a whole lot when its Victorians who spend all the money. Its not like many visitors come like the Aus Open. Its just Victorians spending money on AFL and alchohol as opposed to restuarants ad movie tickets. If anything its more money spent by Victorians in an organisation that will direct that money to the Gold Coast and Western Sydney
September 27th 2010 @ 7:10pm
Beaver fever said | September 27th 2010 @ 7:10pm | Report comment
HMMM, i think it’s great that Victorians will unselfishly spend their money for the advancement of australian football, as a proud sandgroper i look forward to more $$$ for grass roots footy around our nation and WA in particular.
I think the funds for the GCFC and GWS are already put aside, so dont panic Brian, there is plenty for all.
September 27th 2010 @ 9:49am
M-Rod said | September 27th 2010 @ 9:49am | Report comment
Downside !!???
Downside is that the NRL and fans have had their Grand Final week completely gazumped by the AFL…even here in Brisbane the lead in on all TV news and sports coverage is now the AFL replay, impact on sports, players, tickets…etc..the following story on the NRL grand final as an afterthought…
then there is the post-news bulletin morning TV- show banter and have had to endure Today show hosts blab on about Pies vs. Saints again like its last week repeating itself. Same for ABC2 Breakfast program, completely unbalanced toward AFL replay.
Obviously a Melbourne centric coverage but given the programs are broadcast full eastern seabord and into Syd & Bris homes the NRL is effectively being starved of the limelight in its premier event….no doubt the opportunity to eclipse NRL GF in AFL expansion markets is a dream come and no doubt a key factor in their decision not to change to extra-time…
Bah !!!!
September 27th 2010 @ 10:22am
Redb said | September 27th 2010 @ 10:22am | Report comment
The replay rule has always existed and has only occured twice before 1977 and 1948. it has nothing to do with robbing the NRL of anything.
September 27th 2010 @ 12:18pm
Black Diamonds said | September 27th 2010 @ 12:18pm | Report comment
Actually, the NRL used to have a replay rule as well. In fact, in 1977 St. George had to go to a replay to win the (then) NSWRL Grand Final.
Sound familiar?
Last time St. Kilda won a flag St. George also won the title.
September 27th 2010 @ 12:32pm
Redb said | September 27th 2010 @ 12:32pm | Report comment
Expediency triumphs in some sports due to their low scoring games that end in draws frequently.
September 27th 2010 @ 10:58am
M1tch said | September 27th 2010 @ 10:58am | Report comment
What news are you watching? Nine news last night the sports stories started with the NRL finals..
This isnt new either..2006 the grand finals were on same weekend and even with the Swans in the GF, the NRL grand final was still the bigger story in NSW/QLD
September 27th 2010 @ 11:28am
Bay35Pablo said | September 27th 2010 @ 11:28am | Report comment
NRL and AFL GFs have been on the same weekend before from memory.
I didn’t even find out the result until Sunday. Zero care factor. I was at the excellent Tiges v Dragons game, watching my Tigers gallantly go down.
September 27th 2010 @ 1:15pm
JamesP said | September 27th 2010 @ 1:15pm | Report comment
Zero Care factor yet you are still contributing to this thread…
September 27th 2010 @ 3:19pm
Bay35Pablo said | September 27th 2010 @ 3:19pm | Report comment
I didn’t care who played or who won. I am still interested in Australian sport, which AFL is a part of, and how AFL affects sport (including my preferred football sports of rugby, league and football in that order).
September 27th 2010 @ 3:25pm
Redb said | September 27th 2010 @ 3:25pm | Report comment
How does is it affect those sports?
They are free to do whatever they like.
September 27th 2010 @ 11:28am
zach said | September 27th 2010 @ 11:28am | Report comment
As Roy and HG said, too much sport is never enough.
September 27th 2010 @ 1:29pm
Mister Football said | September 27th 2010 @ 1:29pm | Report comment
It’s a big weekend of footy – people should be rejoicing.
September 27th 2010 @ 10:37am
Neutral Fan said | September 27th 2010 @ 10:37am | Report comment
It’s unfortunate that the NRL grand final will be eclipse in media coverage, it would of being nice for equal media coverage but these days it’s all exposure mainly for AFL in ‘non-heartland’ states.
September 27th 2010 @ 10:56am
M1tch said | September 27th 2010 @ 10:56am | Report comment
Only in the non heartlands, sydney and bris news last night was all rugby league..
national based tv shows will be afl of course..as they always are
September 27th 2010 @ 11:33am
Bay35Pablo said | September 27th 2010 @ 11:33am | Report comment
“Andrew Demetriou is making no apologies”. Nothing new there.
AFL being their usually “stuff everyone else” selves.
Just reinforces the point on my previous article about the AFL’s approach.
http://www.theroar.com.au/2010/08/31/afl-karmas-gonna-get-ya/
Depressing for a rugby fan, given a $20m windfall would have covered the ARC’s 2007 shortfall for 4 years (and which wouldn’t have recurred as they would have tightened the budget up) ….. David & Goliath. Even league looks small with thosse numbers.
September 27th 2010 @ 12:19pm
Black Diamonds said | September 27th 2010 @ 12:19pm | Report comment
Ah, been a rule for 112 years. How is it the usual “stuff everyone else” whatever. Its nothing new, its part of the sporting fabric of this great nation – and has happened before in the NRL.
September 27th 2010 @ 3:20pm
Bay35Pablo said | September 27th 2010 @ 3:20pm | Report comment
Go read my article, which i referred to so as to avoid repeating myself.
it hasn’t been this way for 112 years. Sport is now big business, which apparently means its OK to act like a$$holes. Which is OK if you are the biggest gorilla in the room ….. i.e. the AFL.
September 27th 2010 @ 3:43pm
Redb said | September 27th 2010 @ 3:43pm | Report comment
Reeks of jealousy I’m afraid.
September 27th 2010 @ 12:26pm
Redb said | September 27th 2010 @ 12:26pm | Report comment
Bay35Pablo,
You stated earlier you did not watch the game or knew the result until the following day. Basicially you invested zero into the game or interest in the result.
It was a classic game of Australian football by the way and the draw a fitting epic result. We get to see these teams go again and many AFL fans love the idea. Game attended by 100,000 fans.
Other sports can continue uninterupted if they choose.
September 27th 2010 @ 3:26pm
Bay35Pablo said | September 27th 2010 @ 3:26pm | Report comment
I am sure it was a great game. Had I flicked over late, I might possibly have started watching it for the pure spectacle. Although, unlikely given Eastwood were playing Randwick in the Shute Shield semi which I was very much emotionally invested in, and I only didn’t watch that as I had a family lunch on. Only caught the last 15 minutes.
“Other sports can continue uninterupted if they choose.” Ahhhh, the Demetriou diffidence. Like Marie Antoinette telling them to eat cake if they can’t get bread.
Slight disruption to other sports because of the replay. That’s the point. Racing Victoria has changed dates to avoid clashing. They don’t do that lightly.
I love the Victorian government saying it will be benefit the economy by millions of dollars. Um, because that money wouldn’t have been spent somewhere else? Possibly better spent?
September 27th 2010 @ 3:41pm
Redb said | September 27th 2010 @ 3:41pm | Report comment
There are upsides and downsides. The AFL did not deliberately draw the game. Its’ not the AFL’s fault it is the biggest most important game in town. Daylight second.
“Other sports can continue if they choose”. This was aimed mostly at the A league game. They are not moving due to a fixture clash. The MCG will be well and truly empty an hour before the much smaller crowd is required at AAMI Park.. If you lived in Melbourne you would know its quite common for big games (80,000) at the MCG occuring in the afternoon with the odd Storm game at night in the same precinct.
The A League made a deliberate choice of 2 October to maximise media exposure, the prospect of a draw was always possible in the AFL GF. So they manipulated their own fixture to serve them best in the first place. That’s fine and their choice but dont whinge you are unaware of the Melbourne sporting landscape.
September 27th 2010 @ 4:09pm
AndyRoo said | September 27th 2010 @ 4:09pm | Report comment
They have been pretty quick to announce that AAMI park will be used as a live site and will host the winning team.
September 29th 2010 @ 7:17am
Anthony said | September 29th 2010 @ 7:17am | Report comment
Victorian taxpayers $$$$ being used to allow Victorians to celebrate an all-Victorian football grand final. Doesn’t happen very often. Soccer can have it back next week!
September 27th 2010 @ 3:30pm
PG said | September 27th 2010 @ 3:30pm | Report comment
BD Wrote “Ah, been a rule for 112 years” — Yeah you’d be amazed what has happened in the last 122 years . We have new rules because belive it or not things may have have changed a wee bit, we — and you may find this a bit lairy have these new fangled machines called Automobiles and Flying Machines that can cart you along so you can leave your horse behind if you want to — They’ve hooked ringers and Ice boxes and floor sweepers up to an evil magic imp named electricity. Now days also women dont have to dance backwards if they dont want to.
September 27th 2010 @ 3:33pm
Mister Football said | September 27th 2010 @ 3:33pm | Report comment
Yes, but in the case of the AFL – we can replay it the following week.
The MCG is pre-booked for such an eventuality – no problems at all.
September 27th 2010 @ 11:52am
Jim F said | September 27th 2010 @ 11:52am | Report comment
Was following a regular season NFL game this morning between the Atlanta Falcons and the New Orleans Saints (ironically with the same nickname as Saint Kilda, and they won the Super Bowl back in February). The game was tied at the end of regulation, and it then went into OVERTIME to decide it.
Could you ever imagine the Super Bowl, with exponentially more money and sponsorship involved, and with the event rotating between cities and planned years in advance, ever replaying the entire game a week later? All sports need to have a winner and loser on the day of the event, no matter how long it takes. There’s no such thing as a tie in real sports.
September 27th 2010 @ 1:13pm
Mister Football said | September 27th 2010 @ 1:13pm | Report comment
Good on them, but so what?
The AFL replays the grand final precisely because it CAN replay them.
If other sports have trouble doing it, they need to do something else – but why should that matter to the AFL??
September 27th 2010 @ 3:28pm
Bay35Pablo said | September 27th 2010 @ 3:28pm | Report comment
Daddy Warbucks logic!!!! We signed Folau and Hunt because we CAN!!!!!
September 27th 2010 @ 3:32pm
Mister Football said | September 27th 2010 @ 3:32pm | Report comment
Yes,,, and?
September 27th 2010 @ 1:17pm
BigAl said | September 27th 2010 @ 1:17pm | Report comment
So what ? – dare to be different. Do you lack self esteem ?
September 27th 2010 @ 1:25pm
Mister Football said | September 27th 2010 @ 1:25pm | Report comment
To the anti-AFL proponents, what happens overseas is so much better than what happens right here in Australia.
September 27th 2010 @ 1:10pm
MattS said | September 27th 2010 @ 1:10pm | Report comment
The amount of newspaper coverage to AFL, does not match the ratings on TV. The GF only got 238,000 on Brisbane TV
September 27th 2010 @ 1:24pm
Mister Football said | September 27th 2010 @ 1:24pm | Report comment
Add next week’s and that’ll be 476,000!
September 27th 2010 @ 3:43pm
AndyRoo said | September 27th 2010 @ 3:43pm | Report comment
More amusing was that the Grand Final (368k) was far bigger in Sydney ratings than any other game that year (2nd best was Swans final of 127k) as you would expect, likewise in Brisbane….but in Perth, Freo’s week 2 finals game was more popular (345k) comapred to 338k for the GF.
To the people of WA I salute your one eyed support for your teams and especially those 7k of you who boycotted watching “two bloody vic teams running arround”
September 27th 2010 @ 7:46pm
FuLLy LoAdED MaN said | September 27th 2010 @ 7:46pm | Report comment
Andy, I would like to ask the good folk of W.A how they would react if the Eagles or Freo had to travel twice to Melbourne to play a Melbourne team in a G.F and then a replay.
I suspect that they would feel incredibly hard done by. I have heard and read a lot of reasons as to why the AFL should scrap a replay, none of which I find convincing.
However the inequity of long distance travel may be the catalyst.
September 27th 2010 @ 1:26pm
Justin Rodski said | September 27th 2010 @ 1:26pm | Report comment
Rich daddy,
I asked myself the same question when i heard that yesterday and basically the reason why they lose money is because in AFL betting in the event of a draw, agencies pay out the draw and also return half the money of bets placed on either team for a win, but only if that bet was placed after the preliminary final.
The other factor that must be considered is there is essentially two markets for a grand final. There is the premiership betting which is for bets placed prior to the preliminary finals and the grand final betting placed in the week leading up tio the game. For example $1000 on St Kilda back in March paying $9 is still alive and therefore that bet is neither won or lost until the grand final is decided this weekend.
But a $1000 bet placed on St Kilda last week at say $2.50 would have now been half paid out and the collect would be $1250…hence the bookies still lose
Hope that makes sense.
Fuinnily enough, alot of people also bet on the draw as an insurance policy in an attempt to hedge a bet as well so that is why the bookies lost considerably.
September 27th 2010 @ 7:26pm
hog said | September 27th 2010 @ 7:26pm | Report comment
as a devoted rugby fan in melbourne i take my hat off to the AFL great game and congratulations, but one thing listening to sports radio this morning listening to the comentator stating that AFL is the easily the most physically demanding sport in the world, hey guys chill your starting strarting to listen to your own press a bit to much theirs room for all of us
September 28th 2010 @ 3:31pm
Eclipz1 said | September 28th 2010 @ 3:31pm | Report comment
Funny, having argued with a Sth American friend Friday about why AFL is better than soccer as it’s less frustrating. But at least a soccer final ends in a result – one way or another. Yeh, another game of footy is great, but ……