AFL’s archaic grand final replay rule needs to go
By Adrian Musolino, 28 Sep 2010 Adrian Musolino is a Roar Expert
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An Auskick participant shows his emotion after not getting to present a premiership medal, after a draw in the 2010 Toyota AFL Grand Final between the Collingwood Magpies and the St Kilda Saints at the MCG, Melbourne.
It may be “unique” to the Australian game, but the AFL’s grand final replay rule is an archaic remnant from its VFL days that has no place in a national competition.
And the “unique” tag seems to be one of the few justifications supporters of the rule are using, that along with the their own selfish reasons, be it another grand final barbeque or more footy on the weekend.
But supporters of the replay rule need to consider those directly impacted by the draw: the players and clubs who were left void by the prospect of an inconclusive match and having to go through another grand final week (see Collingwood captain Nick Maxwell’s comments), and, just as importantly considering they are increasingly forgotten, the fans who attended the grand final last Saturday.
On the latter point, think for a moment of those fans that were the lucky few to get a ticket to the match. Imagine if that is the only opportunity they have to attend a grand final and they will be deprived of experiencing the full spectrum of emotions of the day, be they good or bad.
The argument that the replay now opens up grand final access to fans that otherwise wouldn’t have made it ignorantly forget those who went last Saturday (and may miss this Saturday ‘cause the 50-1 draw came to fruition) and the fact that those “underprivileged” fans miss out on the original grand final year after year.
Having gone through the hassle and effort to acquire grand final tickets a few years ago, I can only imagine the frustration of not seeing a result on the day and trudging back to South Australia knowing I would have to fork out another small fortune on hotels, flights and tickets to go back and see the concluding act.
And herein lies the major flaw with the replay rule.
These aren’t the days of the VFL when the competition existed solely in Melbourne’s suburbs. It’s a national competition, with a fan base that now stretches across the country.
It may be well and good for those who are a train stop or two away from the MCG, but it severely disadvantages those outside of Victoria, and if the AFL is going to truly live up to its national status, then it needs to rid itself of its VFL vestiges and Victorian-centric attitude.
And what if a non-Victorian club was involved?
A West Australian club, for example, would obviously be heavily disadvantaged by a grand final replay; having to either make the return trip to and from Perth or decamping in Melbourne for the week. Whether it is homesickness, travel fatigue or the financial considerations of paying accommodation for a squad and staff, there would be a definite disadvantage to a non-Victorian club.
Again, there is an inherent flaw with this system in a national competition, and its the fairness for the participants and spectators that is compromised.
But what was most frustrating watching the saga unfold was the fact everything was in place for a continuation of the intense drama of the day and a conclusion to the match.
The actors were in place as were the fans and television audience, and they (in the main) wanted a conclusion.
Everything was in place to keep going – to decide the premiership when it should be decided, on the final Saturday in September.
Extra time doesn’t unfairly disadvantage one particularly club over another.
It means the team with the momentum can continue with it into the additional period. Instead they must restart next week, back at square one.
No one should have begrudged St Kilda a possible win in extra time – should they have continued their comeback into the extra period. They had bravery kept Collingwood within striking distance and fought back into a potential winning position.
With that “empty feeling” for both clubs, why then should everything be packed up only to return the following week and do it all again, with all the additional logistical headaches for clubs, players, fans and the league?
There is obviously no fundamental issue with extra time for the AFL has instigated a five-minute each half period should this weekend’s second grand final (should it have it’s own name: Act II, The Sequel, “The Empire Strikes Back”?) end in a draw.
Extra time is already written into the rules of the rest of the AFL finals series. And the AFL wasted no time in instigating it for next weekend’s match.
So why is it unacceptable after 120 minutes and four quarters but suddenly acceptable after 240 minutes and eight quarters?
Because there is an antiquated rule “unique” to the AFL, that’s why.
So much of the modern game of AFL has evolved and modernised, including how the game is played with constant tinkering with the rules forcing a rethink of a coach’s playbook, and yet it is prepared to hold on to this rule despite the wave of criticism.
It’s rare occurrence, yes, but this is no justification for the rule in itself (the “it has only happened three times in over a hundred years so why change it” argument).
It does happen, as we’ve seen, and the AFL should be thankful it didn’t happen in those closely fought finals between West Coast and Sydney, for the outrage of both sets of interstate fans would have been deafening.
That’s when the rule should have been changed – when the interstate clubs were in a premiership contention and the AFL matured into a national competition.
And the draw and replay rule, having occurred so infrequently, is mystifyingly revered by its supporters. Tradition or not, what is it about the rule that needs to be protected when it has an obvious unfairness?
The AFL is already a unique competition, without the replay rule.
Even the FA Cup, which has stuck so stringently to its traditions, instigated extra time and penalties for its final so it is decided on that one day in May, one way or another.
Another argument, that the team who lost in extra time would feel unjustly robbed of a premiership is flawed.
I’d imagine they would feel the same anger and hurt as they’ll feel when they lose this coming Saturday, but maybe with an even heavier hurt considering their expectations have fostered for an extra seven days.
The contest needs a winner. There’s a premiership at stake, which should be decided on the day – just one day!
Practicality must come into the AFL’s calculations when they review the rule.
There should also be a gentleman’s agreement or recognition from the AFL that the September-October calendar is heavily congested with various finals and the commencement of the spring and summer sporting events, and with that in mind it should only take up one weekend for its grand final.
Already fans are linking the AFL’s staunch support of the replay rule with the financial windfall of a second grand final. They should be careful for the league’s reputation, on this and its aggressive posturing toward other codes, is being hurt.
Ultimately, there’s no place for a grand final replay in a modern, national AFL competition.
It’s no longer the VFL. Time to move on and modernise.
Adrian Musolino is editor of V8X Magazine, and has written as an expert on The Roar since 2008, cementing himself as a key writer who can see the big picture in sport. He freelances on other forms of motorsport, football, cycling and more.

September 28th 2010 @ 3:11am
wcefever said | September 28th 2010 @ 3:11am | Report comment
NO WAY to change it would be un-australian
it was a terrific game and an unprecidented result
we had 100.000 at the G and 4 million on tv in oz and 250 million watching in 170 contrys
and the best thing is we get to do it all again on saturday everybodie wins and our tv audience in australia could be close to 8 million my guess 3m in VIC /WA 1.5m/ SA 1.5/ nsw2 m and in qld 1.5
and 300 million world wide what a shot in the arm for our game
ok the players arent thrilled but there bodies will re-cover but they will be sporting legends
peace out
September 28th 2010 @ 5:49am
JVGO said | September 28th 2010 @ 5:49am | Report comment
Or it could be 2 million and 50 million (or nobody) depending on how the non hardcore responded. I know I will take an interest in the score but won’t sit through the game again, I feel I’ve been there already i’m afraid. I’m sorry but it isn’t worth 6 or 7 hours of my time to watch an AFL GF. But nevertheless 250 million is pretty awesome if that figure is legit.
September 28th 2010 @ 7:37am
sheek said | September 28th 2010 @ 7:37am | Report comment
Exactly what is Australian or non-Australian? Too many people use the expression like a throwaway tissue…..
September 28th 2010 @ 8:11am
Redb said | September 28th 2010 @ 8:11am | Report comment
The TV audience will be nowhere near 8 million.
September 28th 2010 @ 8:17am
Ken said | September 28th 2010 @ 8:17am | Report comment
Why un-Australian? Other Australian comps like the RL did away with GF replays decades ago. Also, as pointed out by Adrian, extra time is going to be considered fair game on the replay – is this un-Australian?
Not going to bother questioning why you think the TV audience will double for the second one although let’s just say I have my doubts.
September 28th 2010 @ 8:35am
Redb said | September 28th 2010 @ 8:35am | Report comment
Ken,
Draws are more common in other sports.
September 28th 2010 @ 7:53pm
seanoroo said | September 28th 2010 @ 7:53pm | Report comment
Its a 120 year old tradition, an event that happens on average once every 40 years and when it does happen its remembered for decades. I never thought id see one in my lifetime, personally i love the rule have always been aware of the rule and am pumped up for this saturday. For all those who went to the game and are whinging about no result if I could have attended 1 GF in my lifetime this would have been it. the day AFL starts following soccer, league and union (for the record i am a fan of a-league and dont hate rugby) and discards it traditions is the day the sport will go backwards. dont get me wrong Im all for the sport to evolve, but this isnt evolution just conforming. To the players, staff, fans and media who made plans the following saturday (who i suspect make up the majority of the whining) maybe youll be a little smarter in your planning next time around instead of just attacking the AFL.
September 28th 2010 @ 10:38am
Adz said | September 28th 2010 @ 10:38am | Report comment
1.5 million watching in SA? For that to happen, almost everyone in SA would have to be watching and that’s not going to happen because not everyone likes AFL, particularly when 2 Victorian teams are playing. A lot of people work Saturdays so they might not be able to watch. I don’t care who wins. Don’t think I even want to watch. I just want my prize money from the tipping competition already. 300 million viewers around the world seems like a bit of a pipe dream but if that can actually happen then that’s awesome.
September 28th 2010 @ 10:59am
Fussball ist unser leben said | September 28th 2010 @ 10:59am | Report comment
there is no doubt the AFL GF rated extremely well.
But, come on … 250 million watching in 170 countries … surely even the most passionate AFL fans realise such a number is pure fantasty?
In Australia, capital city ratings were 2.8m and, given Australia’s population density in city v regional areas, it’s hardly likely there would be an additional 42% watching in the regional areas.
Interestingly, in the most lucrative tv market: i.e. Sydney:
1. The 2010 FIFA WC – Netherlands v Spain – which was broadcast at 4:30 a.m. and featured ZERO Australian competitors rated higher than the 2010 AFL GF
2. Saturday’s AFL GF rated a bit above Saturday night’s ABC’s & Channel 9′s evening news services.
Source:
1. FIFA WC: http://www.tvtonight.com.au/2010/07/week-29-3.html
2. AFL GF & ABC & Channel 9 News: http://www.tvtonight.com.au/2010/09/week-39-3.html
September 28th 2010 @ 2:21pm
Dan said | September 28th 2010 @ 2:21pm | Report comment
Good morning boys and girls, today we’re going to learn how to destroy any incling of credibility in what you’re trying to say within your opening sentence. Repeat after me “BLANK is UNAUSTRALIAN”. And there you have it, a sure fire way to make certain people think you have an IQ that can be counted on one hand.
Thanks for your time
September 28th 2010 @ 6:42pm
Gob Bluth said | September 28th 2010 @ 6:42pm | Report comment
If you believe in those viewing figures then I have a tremendous bridge in Sydney you may be interested in buying.
September 28th 2010 @ 7:12pm
Redb said | September 28th 2010 @ 7:12pm | Report comment
or perhaps some beach side property in the tidal zone.
September 28th 2010 @ 8:10pm
Whites said | September 28th 2010 @ 8:10pm | Report comment
That’s a big call considering the last time this happened there were 10,000 less people at the replay.
September 29th 2010 @ 5:25pm
The Bush said | September 29th 2010 @ 5:25pm | Report comment
250 million.. Really? Really? You actually think 250 milllion people around the world watched the AFL Grand Final?
300 million… Really? Really? You actually think 300 million people around the world are going to watch the AFL Grand Final Replay?
Wow…
September 29th 2010 @ 5:37pm
Mister Football said | September 29th 2010 @ 5:37pm | Report comment
Not sure what the number is, doesn’t really matter to me, but people might be surprised by the extent of live coverage, this is a list of broadcasters that carry both grand finals live:
http://www.afl.com.au/international%20broadcast%20partners/tabid/14533/default.aspx
September 28th 2010 @ 5:24am
Kurt said | September 28th 2010 @ 5:24am | Report comment
Out of interest Adrian, given that this rule, for better or worse, has been in place now for over a century and that going into this game we all knew that there would be a replay if the game ended in a draw, why didn’t you write this article last week? The AFL already has contingency plans in place including an existing booking at the MCG for this coming Saturday and the only reason other sports have a problem is because public interest in them is so minimal that they need to AFL to finish before people pay them any attention.
So who exactly is being selfish?
September 28th 2010 @ 7:40am
sheek said | September 28th 2010 @ 7:40am | Report comment
Because like the AFL, we’re mostly reactive, not proactive.
Like the AFL, we didn’t consider the REAL possibility of a draw in the now national comp, until it happened.
That’s human nature, more often than not, we react after the event.
However, it doesn’t lessen the legitimacy of Adrian’s comments.
Better to learn from our mistakes, than keep repeating them…..
September 28th 2010 @ 8:12am
Redb said | September 28th 2010 @ 8:12am | Report comment
Agree. The MCG the only stadium affected by the replay has long held a contigency for the extra week. Cricket Victoria fully aware and they plan accordingly.
September 28th 2010 @ 8:08pm
Whites said | September 28th 2010 @ 8:08pm | Report comment
According to the rules of the game up until they were changed in a knee-jerk reaction yesterday if the grand final replay was a tie then both teams would have had to return the following Saturday for a 2nd replay. If the 2nd replay was a tie they would have to return again and so on and on.
Surely the AFL should have had an ongoing indefinite booking at the MCG for every Saturday.
I feel cheated out of the opportunity of mocking a 3rd, 4th, 5th or 22nd(Richie Benaud could call this one) AFL grand final.
It is so UNAUSTRALIAN for the AFL Commission to walk all over this longstanding tradition of multiple AFL Grand Finals in the event of a tie.
September 29th 2010 @ 3:13am
VooDoo said | September 29th 2010 @ 3:13am | Report comment
I agree with Kurt. How many times this week are commentators going to bring up how “unfair” a Grand Final replay is for other sports? In fact, pretty much the only commentators pushing the angle that it’s unfair on footy fans who missed seeing a premiership cup handed out last week are soccer or rugby journalists who are ruing another week of AFL media attention.
Of my acquaintances who follow Collingwood, St. Kilda or footy generally, they are for the most part very pleased to have witnessed such an epic encounter, and cannot wait to sit down on Saturday and do it all again. My local pub (indeed, here in Canada) is delighted that they get to show the Grand Final for an additional Friday night, as the publican stated that it’s one of their biggest trading nights of the year. So I believe that most people win out of a drawn Grand Final other than perhaps the players, and they go into the game knowing the rules and that they’ll have to come back if neither side is good enough to win over two hours of play – they have nobody to blame but themselves for the result.
And lastly, the more that soccer and rugby commentators complain about the unfairness of it all, the less I feel sorry for the inconvenience of their situations. Like Kurt wrote above, they’re only whingeing because of the lack of public interest in their codes, and I have little doubt that those administering soccer and rugby in Australia would happily shaft the AFL if it were in their power to do so.
September 28th 2010 @ 6:33am
Sancho said | September 28th 2010 @ 6:33am | Report comment
It’s true that the rule must change. It would be better to decide the title in a single day, with an extra time, followed by a golden score, if necessary. But how can any footy fan NOT be excited with the replay?!
September 28th 2010 @ 12:06pm
Black Diamonds said | September 28th 2010 @ 12:06pm | Report comment
Why would it be good for the AFL? It would deprive them of a potential second Grand Final match in a year once in a very long while.
What is wrong with that? From the perspective of the AFL I can’t think of anything wrong with it really. If you don’t want the replay, simple, win or lose on the day!
September 28th 2010 @ 6:53am
anopinion said | September 28th 2010 @ 6:53am | Report comment
All of your points are your feelings towards the replay, not facts. The rule is in place, we all knew it and every team has equal opportunity to plan for it. A flight to Perth and back is hardly a killer. The players fly first class, stay in great hotels and have sports scientists and others taking care of every detail for them.
The team that embrace the replay will likely win. C’wood captain Maxwell does not seem to embrace it, thus my money is on St Kilda
September 28th 2010 @ 6:58am
Sancho said | September 28th 2010 @ 6:58am | Report comment
The point is that draw is always anti-climatic. Besides that, for fans outside Victoria, two trips can be expensive and exhaustive…
September 28th 2010 @ 9:00am
sheek said | September 28th 2010 @ 9:00am | Report comment
anopinion,
This debate is not about the replay this Saturday, but how we’re going to deal with a repeat of this situation in the future.
By all means celebrate the opportunity for two grand finals in one year.
Most likely, it’s the last time you’ll experience it…..
However, I agree with you re the replay – I think the Saints will be up for it better than the Magpies.
September 28th 2010 @ 4:38pm
Mick Johnston said | September 28th 2010 @ 4:38pm | Report comment
I take your point about the team being professional enough to fly back to Perth for the replay. But what about the fans? If Fremantle for instance were in the Grand FInal, how many supporters could possibly justify consecutive trips to Melbourne for a GF replay?
Add the logistical issues involved in accommodating the additional visitors. Events like the UCI World Road Cycling Championships that are on this week will already be affecting how much accommodation is on offer for interstate visitors..
Given the AFL’s preparedness to change rules as it suits (i.e. interchange cap), I do not see the issue in changing one more for the greater equity of the game.
I will be watching again this week and will love every minute of the season going a week longer…but I would have been just as happy to have seen a result at the game last Saturday.
September 28th 2010 @ 7:03am
NY said | September 28th 2010 @ 7:03am | Report comment
It should be interesting watching all the AFL cheerleaders come in with their pom-poms and defend this rule to the death. Even though we know most think it is a ridicilous rule. Then the AFL will change this rule after this game is over. They will act like there was never any problem in the first place and that all this controversy never existed.
Has there ever been an organisation so allergic to criticism (be it constrctive or any other kind). It seems that Collingwood captain has been told to shut his trap after he spoke his mind and said what most people really think. AFL and criticism is like chalk and cheese.
September 28th 2010 @ 7:58am
beaver fever said | September 28th 2010 @ 7:58am | Report comment
Yes, it has been very interesting to see the anti-AFL brigade out in force over this non-issue, hundreds of posts condemming the AFL about a rule that has been in place for 100 years and used up till this year 2 times.
The rule was there and we all knew it, simple as that, all this whinging is very un-Australian IMO.
September 28th 2010 @ 9:04am
sheek said | September 28th 2010 @ 9:04am | Report comment
BF,
As I asked earlier – exactly what is “un-Australian”?
I’m not even sure anymore what an Australian is anyway.
No-one is disputing the rules that were in place for this year. However, this is clearly a situation that cannot be repeated in the future, especially if the next two grand finalists who draw are from out of town, even just one of them.
Previously, in the VFL, all the combatants were from Melbourne, as was the case this time…..luckily for the AFL…..
September 28th 2010 @ 12:18pm
Black Diamonds said | September 28th 2010 @ 12:18pm | Report comment
I think what beaver is referring to as “Un-Australian” is this crazy call that we (IN Australia) HAVE TO ADOPT THE RULES OF OVERSEAS COMPETITIONS – that are, most of them, relatively new in comparison to the VFL/AFL.
I really don’t get this fascination of altering our more than century old sporting traditions to come into line with overseas sporting events – most them of which do not have this length of tradition behind them! (FA Cup excluded, but they still have replays throughout the FA Cup! – Just not in the final anymore).
Why are the Australian traditions not worth respecting and instead we should junk them for American traditions – extra-time being an American invention afterall.
September 28th 2010 @ 6:13pm
Dan said | September 28th 2010 @ 6:13pm | Report comment
These aren’t “traditions” numbnuts, they’re responses to market realities. All this crap about it being the Australian way is pure facile garbage. It’s not the Australian way, it’s the VFL’s way. I know Victorians think they speak for everyone, but they don’t and there are plenty of people out there who want to see a result on the day when its a GRAND FINAL.
It’s not about copying an “overseas model”, it’s about making sure that the final deciding game is THE BLOODY FINAL GAME! Extra time is the most sensible way of doing this considering the disadvantage it would place on interstate fans to have to go home and pay for another flight and ticket to get a result the following week. It’s about the product mate, and like it or not the AFL is a business and it is selling a product. So get all this parochial “Australia doesn’t need foreign models” crap out of your head, because I can assure you that the AFL uses plenty “foreign” business and advertising models already. Deal with it.
September 28th 2010 @ 7:11pm
Mister Football said | September 28th 2010 @ 7:11pm | Report comment
But if you want to talk market and commercial realities – then this is the reality:
1. another 100,000 fans will attend (paying some decent coin)
2. there will be another 2.8 mill in ratings
3. there’s an extra week of talkin’ footy
4. the AFL pockets a cool $25 mill that it can sink back into developing the game
where’s the downside from a business perspective?
September 28th 2010 @ 8:33pm
Dan said | September 28th 2010 @ 8:33pm | Report comment
Ah, but there in lies the rub. Markets are more complex than just “what’s going to make us the most cash in the short term”. By pissing off fans you risk alienation and if you don’t rectify it you can do damage to your brand and long term profits. I would add that the AFL appears to agree with this given that they’ve now decided they’re going to send next week’s match into overtime if it ends in stalemate.
September 28th 2010 @ 1:15pm
rad said | September 28th 2010 @ 1:15pm | Report comment
the rule was made in 1976, wtf !
September 28th 2010 @ 8:15am
Redb said | September 28th 2010 @ 8:15am | Report comment
There are alternatve views of replay v extra time, who is right is subjective, unless your agaisnt criticism.
I think extra time is a cheap expedient method to resovle the ultimate game of the year. The only reason there is extra time in the replay is due to its impact on other the players/clubs and other sports/events, it is 99% certain not to be required.
September 28th 2010 @ 10:51am
sheek said | September 28th 2010 @ 10:51am | Report comment
“There are alternative views of replays v extra time, who is right is subjective, unless your (sic) against criticism”.
There is also practical common sense, which is apparently being ignored by the advocates of the replay.
As a counter to the 99% of occasions there is unlikely to be the need for a replay – consider this – there is about a .00001 percent chance of planes crashing, but this doesn’t stop stringent measures being applied every day in the aviation industry to ensure that the .00001 percentage doesn’t get higher…..
We mightn’t get another drawn grand final for another 50 years. Then again, it could happen next year & the finalists might be Brisbane & Fremantle. Won’t the AFL look stupid if they made no attempt to come up with a more sensible alternative for ALL concerned…..
September 28th 2010 @ 9:12am
Mister Football said | September 28th 2010 @ 9:12am | Report comment
Don’t worry about AFL cheerleaders (we don’t use them in our game) – just note that the 100,000 tickets will be sold in the next couple of days, and that’s more important to the AFL than the carping that is currently occurring from non-AFL fans.
As for Maxwell, he commented immediately after the siren, more disappointed in letting a 4 goal lead slip than anything else.
In the cool light of day, he’ll know there’s still a flag to be won – everything else matters for nought.
September 28th 2010 @ 9:52am
The Link said | September 28th 2010 @ 9:52am | Report comment
an example of why extra time is hardly cheap is the Nadal v Federer Wimbeldon 2008, prob greatest grand slam final of all time. plenty of other examples around.
by all means have the replay, but the game should be given reasonable opportunity to produce a result, extra 5-10 mins each way is hardly changing the very fabric of the sport.
If still locked up after that then replay.
September 28th 2010 @ 1:46pm
apaway said | September 28th 2010 @ 1:46pm | Report comment
Link
Not sure I understand your comaprison here – a tennis match has no time limit and can’t end in a draw.
September 28th 2010 @ 7:18am
Rabbitz said | September 28th 2010 @ 7:18am | Report comment
Geez, where did this bunch of whingers come from? I thought Melbourne considered itself the ‘sporting captial of the known universe’?
You get a second bite at the AFL’s big day and all we have heard in the newspapers and blogshphere is whining and whinging. Not very ‘sporting capital’ to me.
Harden Up. Them’s the rules and I think it is a good thing from a sports fans perspective.
Crickey, what blockbuster weekend is coming up! AFL, NRL, Shute Shield all having finals. Woohoo, fire up the plasma, stick some tinnies on ice, turn off the phone, strap in for a full weekend of sport. As HG and Roy say – “too much sport isn’t nearly enough”.
September 28th 2010 @ 9:06am
sheek said | September 28th 2010 @ 9:06am | Report comment
Shute Shield? What’s that?…..xoxo…..smiley face, etc……….
September 28th 2010 @ 9:15am
Mister Football said | September 28th 2010 @ 9:15am | Report comment
It’s not Melbourne people doing the whining – it’s not even AFL fans doing the whining – everyone else is doing it – telling us what we should and shouldn’t be doing with our game.
In the meantime, another 100,000 tickets are sold, another TV audience of 2.8 million (or whatever the hell it is), and the AFL pockets a cool $25 million.
But best of all – it’s another week of a talkin’ footy!!
But I agree with your sentiment: too much sport isn’t nearly enough.
September 28th 2010 @ 9:51am
sheek said | September 28th 2010 @ 9:51am | Report comment
MF,
If it’s good enough for the AFL to have extra time for all other finals matches, so why not the GF also?
And also, is it fair if Brisbane & Fremantle are next year’s GFs, & they also draw, they should either hang around in Melbourne for a replay, or go home & come back again?
And if you think successive GF draws are impossible, that’s what rugby league folk experienced in 1977-78.
Repalys may have been okay in the VFL, but now it’s the AFL. The fact the comp is now national makes the rule of replays archaic…..
September 28th 2010 @ 9:54am
The Link said | September 28th 2010 @ 9:54am | Report comment
plently of AFL fans want the extra time, this is also an internal debate for the AFL.
September 28th 2010 @ 10:03am
Mister Football said | September 28th 2010 @ 10:03am | Report comment
1. There was a logical reason for introducing extra time to the finals in weeks 1 to 3 – and that was following the experience in 1990 when Essendon had to endure a two week break while a qualifying final had to be replayed. But with the grand final, with the AFL being able to book the MCG as a contingency – the same concern does not arise – and the fundamental objective is to win the flag playing by the standard rules of the game.
2. I agree there is an argument about interstate teams potentially being inconvenienced, and no doubt, the next time there’s a draw in 38 years, it will involved at least one interstate team. But as Demetriou said on On the Couch last night: teams are very adept these days at recovery, preparation and dealing with long flights, so it’s probably less of an issue as some might imagine. Also, it’s probably a little known fact outside AFL circles that all AFL players want to play at the MCG on grand final day – and they will want to play on it a second time if there’s a flag to be won.
3. If replays were to become far more common than once every 38 years, an argument might emerge to review it.
Otherwise, as far as sport goes, I can’t see anything purer than making the the two teams play the full game again – to win the flag under standard rules.
September 28th 2010 @ 10:19am
Mister Football said | September 28th 2010 @ 10:19am | Report comment
sheek
following my previous reponse, I stumbled on this comment to today’s Patrick Smith OP in the Aus.
Smith is pretty much on your side, but this comment sums up my views:
“Patrick, the difference in treatment between finals and the grand final is not “absurd”. A replay in the earlier finals would affect other teams, whereas a GF replay affects both teams equally. In the end, week 1, 2 and 3 finals matches are not the grand final – the prize at stake in that match makes it special enough to warrant its own rules. What is absurd about that?”
That’s a key point – the grand final determines the Premier for the season – so there is nothing unusual about it having rules that give primacy to determining the victor within the spirit of the game.
September 28th 2010 @ 10:55am
sheek said | September 28th 2010 @ 10:55am | Report comment
MF,
I’m not begrudging people enjoying another week in front of the TV, having a BBQ or down the pub or club. Terrific.
But going forward, the AFL will have to change its rules. You can’t have everything. Life is about compromises, & finding the best compromise for the majority.
Extra-time in the grand final is not ideal, but it ticks more boxes for more people than does the replay…..
September 28th 2010 @ 11:03am
Mister Football said | September 28th 2010 @ 11:03am | Report comment
There may well come a time where it becomes impossible to organise a replay, that’s where other sports find themselves today.
I’m not convinced that we have reached that stage with the AFL.
September 28th 2010 @ 7:53pm
Ian Whitchurch said | September 28th 2010 @ 7:53pm | Report comment
I have 25 million really, really good reasons why they wont change the rules.
To put this amount in perspective, it’s enough to buy ten of Israel Folau and Karmicheal Hunt.
That is 25 million very good reasons to ignore the whining – and to any whining Grand Final participants, I have only two words … Kick. Straighter.
September 28th 2010 @ 10:42am
JVGO said | September 28th 2010 @ 10:42am | Report comment
Simple fact is that the rule will be changed next month and nobody will be in the streets protesting, you will all be saying Demetriou did the wise thing (what else do you ever say).
September 28th 2010 @ 12:11pm
Mister Football said | September 28th 2010 @ 12:11pm | Report comment
Rules change every year – if we protested every single rule change – we would have died of exhaustion by now.
Most of the AFL fans on this site don’t see a problem with the replay (in fact, we love it).
September 28th 2010 @ 12:50pm
JVGO said | September 28th 2010 @ 12:50pm | Report comment
Well as supporters of other codes we could instead of taking a neutral view and saying you shouldn’t have a replay we could rather argue that it would be just great if the AFL keeps the replay rule so they can lay another big egg maybe next year. Then you could all lambast us for deathriding the AFL and we could argue ad nauseum about that. So keep the replay I say and i think all neutrals (read supporters of other codes) should now start clamouring for the retention of the replay. PLEASE KEEP THE REPLAY HQ!!!
The fact is that the neutrals and the expansion markets will decide what happens because that is all that matters at HQ. The heartland fans are irrelevant as usual as they will watch everything anyway.
September 28th 2010 @ 11:04am
Fussball ist unser leben said | September 28th 2010 @ 11:04am | Report comment
MF
Can you kindly provide the source to validate your claim that “another 100,ooo tickets are sold”?
As far as I know, AFL members only get access to tickets this afternoon and we won’t know until Saturday whether MCC members embrace the replay … they may be getting the hampers and champers ready for the start of the Spring Racing Carnival the following day.
Because Collingwood is playing, I’m sure there will be a 90k+ crowd but I’d be surprised if it’s a “sell-out”.
September 28th 2010 @ 11:08am
Mister Football said | September 28th 2010 @ 11:08am | Report comment
96k, 98k, 100k, it’s all the same to me.
September 28th 2010 @ 2:45pm
JVGO said | September 28th 2010 @ 2:45pm | Report comment
AD will be watching very closely indeed how the replay rates in Sydney and Brisbane MF. I think he has a pretty clear idea what will happen elsewhere. AD already knows from the Swans ratings that this was the only game most people in Sydney have watched all year.
September 28th 2010 @ 2:51pm
Mister Football said | September 28th 2010 @ 2:51pm | Report comment
You might be right.
I would have thought a small drop is on the cards.
September 28th 2010 @ 3:00pm
Redb said | September 28th 2010 @ 3:00pm | Report comment
No your reading this wrong, any TV ratings the AFL GF replay gets is all bonus anyway.
September 28th 2010 @ 5:03pm
JVGO said | September 28th 2010 @ 5:03pm | Report comment
I would expect it to be near Swans levels actually. I mean the NRL GF is the next day, people have stuff to do. Few people can spend all weekend watching football. I just don’t see why Sydney people would watch the thing twice. But we’ll see if the once a yearers were impressed enough. I mean if that was a great GF as everyone is saying I for one wouldn’t be sitting through an ordinary one that’s for sure. I’d certainly like to know who would have won the one I did watch though.
September 28th 2010 @ 5:24pm
beaver fever said | September 28th 2010 @ 5:24pm | Report comment
Just for you, enjoy !!.
http://www.worldfootynews.com/article.php/20100927150327133
September 28th 2010 @ 5:33pm
Mister Football said | September 28th 2010 @ 5:33pm | Report comment
Phew, that’s a relief, I was concerned that our American friends might miss out on the replay.
September 28th 2010 @ 5:39pm
JVGO said | September 28th 2010 @ 5:39pm | Report comment
Thanks for that Beaver. I’ll spread the word.
September 29th 2010 @ 3:55am
VooDoo said | September 29th 2010 @ 3:55am | Report comment
It’s been confirmed worldwide Beaver: http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/103311/default.aspx
The owners of the two official venues hosting GF parties in my city here in Canada are rapt at the prospect of a second consecutive Friday night of big bar takings. Bring on the game!
September 28th 2010 @ 7:23am
rowdy_one said | September 28th 2010 @ 7:23am | Report comment
I dont have a problem with a replay but the fact that there is no extra time in a final is amateurish beyond belief. But as others have said they are the rules that have been in place for a long time now and surely the Afl will address the extra time issue.
Not that i care really as i’ve given the Afl it’s 2 hrs viewing that i give it each yr, bring on Sunday’s Nrl GF im sure we’ll get a result out of that one.
September 28th 2010 @ 7:41am
sheek said | September 28th 2010 @ 7:41am | Report comment
Great article Adrian, can’t add to it.
Obviously you found my notes floating around somewhere…..!!!
September 28th 2010 @ 8:07am
Joel said | September 28th 2010 @ 8:07am | Report comment
Instead of whining, people should be considering how lucky they are to have witnessed such a freak event. This is something special in itself. The stakes are even higher for the next match, as how that turns out affects how people will regard the first game.
I think the value of the replay can be found in the responses from non-AFL fans across this site. If they don’t like it, then it’s probably a good thing.
September 28th 2010 @ 9:16am
Mister Football said | September 28th 2010 @ 9:16am | Report comment
I agree 100% with that last sentence – we’re clearly on the right track there!
September 28th 2010 @ 11:47am
MadeWT said | September 28th 2010 @ 11:47am | Report comment
That makes no sense whatsoever. If people are complaining about it then it must be a good thing. Weirder than the unAustralian argument.
I’m an AFL nut and I hate the replay rule. This isn’t a AFL V non-AFL issue and stop making it out to be.
September 28th 2010 @ 12:21pm
Joel said | September 28th 2010 @ 12:21pm | Report comment
Not necessarily, are all complaints always valid? People are losing perspective. I think you should take my advice. Focus on the positives, not your desire for immediate satisfaction.
September 28th 2010 @ 11:55am
Art Sapphire said | September 28th 2010 @ 11:55am | Report comment
The value in a replay can be found in responses from AFL fans around the country and in Melbourne. If they don’t like it, then its probably a bad thing. Check the poll result that I posted further down the thread.
September 28th 2010 @ 12:16pm
Joel said | September 28th 2010 @ 12:16pm | Report comment
Not internet surveys of people that don’t even watch again? Looking around this website I would estimate 80% of the whingers are league or soccer fans that hate the AFL yet were all mysteriously glued to their televisions for the Grand Final.
I initially didn’t like the result myself, but on reflection draws are such rare events of special occasion that a replay seems suitable to me.
September 28th 2010 @ 12:18pm
MadeWT said | September 28th 2010 @ 12:18pm | Report comment
That’s not fair Joel. This is not a cross code issue. Plenty of AFL fans (including the captain of on eof the sides) are dead against the replay.
September 28th 2010 @ 12:26pm
Joel said | September 28th 2010 @ 12:26pm | Report comment
What’s not fair? Pointing out that we shouldn’t put a lot of store in the opinions of people that have shown time and time again they despise the AFL?
September 28th 2010 @ 2:31pm
JVGO said | September 28th 2010 @ 2:31pm | Report comment
These are people who have actually experienced extra time classic GF’s Joel, but because they are not AFL fans first and foremost their opinion is of course worthless….and unaustralian….and
September 29th 2010 @ 6:45am
Joel said | September 29th 2010 @ 6:45am | Report comment
JVGO, I think it would be more accurate to say these are people that seek every available opportunity to find fault, denigrate and abuse the AFL and have no compuction with lying or muckraking to those ends. Take you own opinion for example.
September 29th 2010 @ 8:46am
JVGO said | September 29th 2010 @ 8:46am | Report comment
Look Joel (I’m probably going to rant a bit here because i am getting fed up I’m afraid). I am sick of being called unaustralian by arrogant elitist imperialist Southerners (OK maybe I’m being a little harsh here but only slightly). I will point out that this north south nexus is something that has defined Australian culture for 150 years since the founding of Melbourne and I will also remind you (Dave V who thinks NSW & Qld are the problem) that the Australian ethos was born and grew first in NSW & QLD from the necessity of convicts and freeman to work together as men of equal standing. This ethos flourished for 60 years even before Melbourne was founded and that egalitarian ethic still survives as the basis of the communities in the former convict colonies today. To me it is no surprise that the dominant football in NSW & Qld is the chaotically run working man’s RL.
I’m sorry but from the moment the city of Melbourne grew up a distinction has been evident. Melbourne was founded without convicts and was a distinctly British colony where the monied Melbourne establishment held sway and British imperialist values were the currency. In Melbourne there has of course always recognisably a sense of superiority to their more Irish and convict neighbours to the north.
This dynamic has played itself out throughout the process of federation and on into modern Australia ie dominant icon of Conservative Melbourne establishmnet Sir Robert Menzies, exemplars of the Sydney ethos Gough Whitlam and Paul Keating, perhaps even little Johnny Howard the everyman battler.
Even in the little world of the Roar it is becoming evident this dichotomy relentlessly plays itself out today with Demetrou’s imperialist foot soldiers running up against RL’s celtic guerilla rabble. (I know I am crapping on a bit here)..But don’t call us unaustralian. Don’t call us bandwagoners, I’m sorry but the ultimate bandwagon appears to me as the conservative AFL conformity of the Southern capital rather than the free for all babble of Sydney and Brisbane. And please recognise,that because of deep seated cultural values Sydney and Brisbane will probably never give in to the stupefying conformity of a single code. It just isn’t the way we think….and sorry but we won’t always be 100% polite either.
September 29th 2010 @ 11:02am
Joel said | September 29th 2010 @ 11:02am | Report comment
Can I have a tldr for that meltdown thanks?
September 29th 2010 @ 11:05am
JVGO said | September 29th 2010 @ 11:05am | Report comment
It’s OK I feel better now.
September 29th 2010 @ 11:08am
Mister Football said | September 29th 2010 @ 11:08am | Report comment
Some interesting points made by JVGO. Personally, I’d rather read some honest, fresh, unique opinion than the usual grind.
The paradox is that the celtic-convict North stuck true to British games, while the freer, imperialistic South, decided to make up its own game – with striking similarities to the Gaelic version!!
September 29th 2010 @ 11:33am
slickwilly said | September 29th 2010 @ 11:33am | Report comment
arrogant elitist and imperialist southerners?????
the australian media is run out of sydney – publicly funded media broadcasters continually provide comment on national issues with a sydney centric bias in mind – im getting thoroughly sick and tired of watching shows like national news services, QandQ and Insight to constantly find informed comment constinually sourced from a Sydney perspective – and I’m sure the good folk of Hobart, Adelaide and Perth are of the same mind (where have their voices been heard). The various ABC radio stations are equally guilty of this when they resort to national networking out of sydney
australian business is run out of sydney
australian commerce is run out of sydney
keating and howard set about elevating sydneys prominence in the national psyche on all the above matters through succesive policy reforms – howard even had the gall to use Kirribilli House as the residence of the Prime Minister
hell, we’ve even had federal elections (most noticeably this years) that entirely fixated on the whims, fancies, fears and prejudices of what western sydney folk thought about asylum seekers
the minute this country stops genuflecting at the feet of vested interests located in that convict settlement the better
with apologies to the medibank private adds, i feel better now
September 29th 2010 @ 12:12pm
JVGO said | September 29th 2010 @ 12:12pm | Report comment
A lot of that is true Slick willy. The Melbourne establishment has been transplanted by Sydney politically and economically since the 80′s. Menzies, Holt, McMahon, Frazer were all Victorian establishment i believe. The Libs have now had Howard, whatshisface, Turnbull, and Abbott all NSWelshman as the last 4 leaders. Costello as a Victorian interestingly couldn’t get the numbers to get himself across the line. You could argue that AFL is so focused on Sydney because it is the economic and politic centre of the country.
But nevertheless it is very interesting that the codes lined up along the convict v free settler divide. i guess that is an indication of the power that this divide held, and definitely to some degree still holds.
The Sydney working class is also very defensive of its position I believe. It feels threatened by these changes. Many Swans supporters for instance are Southerners who have moved to Sydney because of this political and economic shift. That is one explanation for the antipathy to AFL.
September 29th 2010 @ 12:35pm
slickwilly said | September 29th 2010 @ 12:35pm | Report comment
JVGO – thank you for your considered response to what could reasonably be viewed by some as an offensive post on my behalf
regards the game of Rugby League (and soccer for that matter) – all i can say is buy your club membership, show up to games, and keep watching on tv – if the game fails it will be because of the antipathy shown towards the game by its supporter base – it will have nothing to do with the AFL
the continual denigration of AFL by many on this (i suspect sydney-based) site is bizarre in the extreme
September 29th 2010 @ 4:30pm
JVGO said | September 29th 2010 @ 4:30pm | Report comment
From this side of the fence said behaviour seems perfectly normal to me. It would be no different (in fact far worse) if NRL was as aggressive in Melbourne or if the NFL moved to town for instance.
September 28th 2010 @ 12:24pm
Art Sapphire said | September 28th 2010 @ 12:24pm | Report comment
Joel – The AFL fans that post on The Roar and not indicative of the greater AFL community when it comes to this issue.
Fox Sports Poll
Should a drawn AFL grand final result in a replay?
Yes – 32.7% (2397 votes)
No – 67.29% (4933 votes)
I will wait for your Roar piece criticizing the AFL Commission’s decision to scrap the replay
September 28th 2010 @ 12:26pm
Mister Football said | September 28th 2010 @ 12:26pm | Report comment
There ain’t no better poll than the sale of tickets (at hefty prices) for the grand final replay.
In a market-based economy – that sort of poll is worth it’s weight in gold (literally).
September 28th 2010 @ 12:29pm
Joel said | September 28th 2010 @ 12:29pm | Report comment
I have no emotional investment one way or the other, merely an opinion that a draw strikes me as suitable given the circumstances. I already provide enough free content for The Roar, so I won’t be penning any articles thanks.
September 28th 2010 @ 12:43pm
Australian Football said | September 28th 2010 @ 12:43pm | Report comment
Art—I have a profile and would like to add to your comment that the AFL have to come to grips with what the other major codes have done. AFL stand alone in the world with this AFL archaic grand final replay rule, as Adrian has written, it needs to go as the Fox Poll suggests.
September 28th 2010 @ 1:16pm
Art Sapphire said | September 28th 2010 @ 1:16pm | Report comment
AF – You would be interested to know that the English FA scrapped FA Cup replays in 98/99.
The last FA Cup replay was played between Arsenal and Sheffield Wednesday in 92/93.
September 28th 2010 @ 1:21pm
Mister Football said | September 28th 2010 @ 1:21pm | Report comment
Other codes found replays to be inconvenient, and took the easy option, even handing out trophies on the strength of little side activies AFTER the actual game has finished.
Thank goodness in Australian Football we are still about determining the best team, by actually playing the game!!
September 28th 2010 @ 2:57pm
Redb said | September 28th 2010 @ 2:57pm | Report comment
The click on a poll is just as expedient as extra time.
September 28th 2010 @ 3:46pm
Art Sapphire said | September 28th 2010 @ 3:46pm | Report comment
redb – how about a click on poll to determine the winner instead of having extra-time. That way Collingwood would never win it
September 28th 2010 @ 8:28am
Redb said | September 28th 2010 @ 8:28am | Report comment
Ahh goody another article on the AFL GF replay.
Its interesting that fans of other sports complain about the AFL hogging the spotlight yet we have another article from a mostly soccer writer raising the issue.
For those quick to remove the VFL from the AFL, its virtually impossible. No different to the NSWRL from the NRL. Most of the clubs are from the former state based comp, it’s where the strength lies in the game and much of its history and traditions.
The ‘interstate’ clubs are already at a disadvantage due to the GF being held at the MCG – the only stadium in AFL heartland areas that is capable of staging the game. Adelaide has a 55,000 seat, Perth a 42,000 seat venue. Even Sydney’s ANZ stadium is well short of the MCG in terms of crowd capacity. GABBA at 40,000.
There will always be a disadvantage at finals time. Just as Vic clubs (except Geelong) at neutral venues no longer hold home ground advantage like the Swans, Lions, Eagles, Crows,etc during the normal season.
For a once in 40 year occurence there is way too much angst, the 2010 GF draw is historical and the game will forever remembered. The second half (replay) cannot come soon enough.
September 28th 2010 @ 10:00am
Jiggles said | September 28th 2010 @ 10:00am | Report comment
Very well said Redb!
I wouldn’t call myself a diehard AFL fan, although I get out to the Lions about 4-5 times a year, but as a SPORTS FAN I am chomping at the bit for this weekend! NRL GF, Sydney premier rugby GF, and a freak AFL GF replay that is a once in a generation event!
In regards to the “AFL hogging the limelight” argument, well I just do not buy it one bit. The FFA could have kept the game on Saturday night and they probably would have seen an increased crowd. It’s a weak excuse to blame the AFL for that one, when it has been the established rule for over 100 years now. The Cricket won’t be impacted by having a pitch in for a week less. Also I can assure you that up here in Brisbane the sports news is still 95% about the NRL Grand final this weekend! And that is despite the two teams are probably the most disliked in the league (from a Brisbane perspective). Think Collingwood versus Collingwood Reserves in a grand final, that’s the sort of disgust these two teams hold up here!
If I had to put money on it, I would say yes after this GF Replay, the rules will most likely be changed to incorporate OT in the GF from now on. It is a very valid point that Adrian makes regarding that the AFL is now a national competition and a Replay would severely disadvantage an interstate team for reasons of logistics and recovery after GF 1. But that’s not to say that we shouldn’t just sit back and relax and enjoy something that we may not witness again, even If the rules are not changed! After all how common is a draw in AFL anyway!
So sit back, relax and just be thankful you now have an excuse to not do yard work on Saturday (AFL being on) and Sunday (NRL being on)!
P.S. minor note, I think the Gabba holds only 32,000. But might have to confirm, it is a fantastic venue but, I recommend you making a trip for a match or a cricket game!
September 28th 2010 @ 11:50am
Redb said | September 28th 2010 @ 11:50am | Report comment
Jiggles,
GABBA drew 36K for a Bris Lions game earlier this season.
cheers
September 28th 2010 @ 11:02am
sheek said | September 28th 2010 @ 11:02am | Report comment
Redb,
Your logic is ridiculous. The VFL had 12 greater Melbourne area clubs. The AFL has 10 out of 16 clubs based in Victoria. In two years it will be 10 out of 18.
As soon as the swans relocated to Sydney in 1982, it was no longer the VFL.
The NSWRL had 12 clubs in the greater Sydney region. It now has 9 out of 16 in the NRL. It is no longer the NSWRL.
You would’ve loved being a Roman at the Coliseum – more Christians & Lions slaughtering each other for our bored pleasure every week……
September 28th 2010 @ 11:12am
Mister Football said | September 28th 2010 @ 11:12am | Report comment
But everyone accepts that the grand final is played in Melbourne and Sydney (for the two respective comps).
In the case of the AFL, it becomes a question of the extent of disadvantage the two Perth teams would suffer with a repaly – it’s a non-issue for the other non-Victorian teams.
Change the rule just in case once every 38 years it’s a Perth team in the replay?
I’m still not sure about that.
September 28th 2010 @ 12:29pm
sheek said | September 28th 2010 @ 12:29pm | Report comment
MF,
C’mom, every business model must have a contingency plan for the ‘improbable’. Not to do so is plain stupid.
Are you seriously suggesting the AFL only consider changing the GF rules if a Perth team makes the GF? I can just imagine the hue & cry about that right now – changing rules mid-season, I don’t think so!
Anyway, we’re all wasting our time (as usual). The AFL WILL change their rules from 2011, irrespective to what happens this year.
So enjoy the GF replay this year. I will put my house on it (fortunately, it’s only a turn of expression) that from 2011 all future GF draws will incur extra-time on the day itself.
September 28th 2010 @ 12:38pm
Mister Football said | September 28th 2010 @ 12:38pm | Report comment
No, I’m suggesting that the fact that one of the two Perth teams might be the ones inconvenienced every 38 years is an insufficient reason to change the rule (even if I would be sympathetic to their plight, should they one day be one of the protaganists).
September 28th 2010 @ 4:05pm
sheek said | September 28th 2010 @ 4:05pm | Report comment
MF,
I’m not talking about moving the (AFL) final away from Melbourne. That’s another issue entirely.
The AFL is now a national comp, & while the grand final will continue to be played in Melbourne into the foreseeable future, where the majority of clubs & supporters reside (& which is perfectly acceptable), the AFL has to consider that the grand final will, more often than not, have a team from outside Melbourne, competing in the grand final.
The fact that another draw might not happen for 5, or 10, or 20, or 50 years, is totally irrelevant to sensible policy.
The AFL must have a policy in place for the unlikely (but still possible) event of another draw happening. I’m sure before the 2011 season starts, this issue will be rectified in favour of extra-time being played in the grand final.
September 28th 2010 @ 11:52am
Redb said | September 28th 2010 @ 11:52am | Report comment
Heres the thing Sheek, its’ hardly “bored” pleasure.
September 28th 2010 @ 12:18pm
sheek said | September 28th 2010 @ 12:18pm | Report comment
I appreciate that. I was exercising poetic license, & also to see if you were reading every word…..
September 28th 2010 @ 1:13pm
Redb said | September 28th 2010 @ 1:13pm | Report comment
only need to read a few they all say the same thing.
September 28th 2010 @ 1:44pm
apaway said | September 28th 2010 @ 1:44pm | Report comment
Hey RedB, Joel et al
I’m a football (soccer) fan and I like the idea of a replay. I watched the game last Saturday and will almost certainly do so this weekend. Sorry to ruin the sterotype. Bring on the replay! (BTW, my team Sheffield Wednesday lost the last replayed FA Cup final so let’s not talk about that…)
September 28th 2010 @ 1:49pm
Redb said | September 28th 2010 @ 1:49pm | Report comment
apaway,
you are indeed a credit to the blogosphere.
cheers