Super Rugby finals system suits the best Aussie side
By Spiro Zavos, 14 Feb 2011 Spiro Zavos is a Roar Expert
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The bookmakers have the Crusaders as strong favourites to win the 2011 Super Rugby tournament. I believe, though, that there are a couple of elements that might have been overlooked in the betting spread. To begin with, Todd Blackadder has yet to demonstrate that he is in the same class as a coach as Robbie Deans.
None of the teams Blackadder has been associated with, as a coach, in the UK and now the Crusaders for two years, has won a title.
And this year he has lost Mark Hammett, the former Crusaders forwards coach who Deans himself felt should have succeeded him after he came over here to coach the Wallabies.
Hammett, a hard-nosed hooker in his playing days and a tough, no-nonsense coach, is having his first year with the Hurricanes.
Trying to make the talented Hurricanes play as a team, respecting their patterns of play and the ball, has defeated a list of good coaches.
If Hammett can get some discipline into their play, as well encouraging the flair of players like the newcomer winger Julian Savea (potentially another Jonah Lomu), the Hurricanes should have a strong season.
And the other New Zealand teams?
The Blues, as usual, have a talented squad that play as they like, generally like headless chooks with no idea what they are doing and where they are going.
So far their coach Pat Lam has been unable to get any consistency or pattern from his players. But if Lam does get some pattern into the play of his side, then the Blues can be as good as any side in the tournament.
The same criticism applies to Ian Foster and his talented squad, the Chiefs.
Foster has brought back, as a player at age 37, Tana Umaga. Umaga remains a great defensive player and a fine reader of the game.
He might be able to bring some order to the Chiefs back line. But then, there still remains the problem of Stephen Donald, a player who moves around the field like a puppet with his strings cut.
Again, like the Blues, the Chiefs have the potential to be world-beaters. Presumably, a coach some time will get the Chiefs to play as a team. When this happens, the other teams should look out.
It is hard to know, from this distance, who will emerge as the best of the South African sides. Experts who should know believe the Sharks will be very strong. The IRB’s boss of referees, Paddy O’Brien, is picking the Sharks to win the tournament.
Does he know something the rest of us don’t know yet?
The Bulls, champions in three out of the last four tournaments, have Fourie du Preez back. I regard du Preez, at least before his injury, as the best player in the world.
With Matfield ruling the lineouts and du Preez controlling the use of the ball, you’d expect the Bulls to be a formidable contender once again.
They are almost impossible to beat at Johannesburg and they have developed a game that can be successful out of Africa.
We get now to the Australian sides. The first point I would make here is the new finals system, I believe, helps whichever team that emerges as the best Australian side.
There will be a six-team finals race. The top teams in each franchise, in order of the most number of points they accumulate in the pool rounds will be seeded 1,2,3.
The next three teams in order of points accumulated make up the final six.
The first round of the finals sees three (at home) playing six, and four against five.
The lowest ranked winner from the first finals play team one (at that team’s home ground): the other winner plays team two (again at that team’s home ground).
The winners of the semi-final play each other in the final, at the home ground of the team with the most number of points.
I hope this is clear enough.
What is means is that there is a decided advantage in the finals for a team being top of its conference. It is guaranteed a finals spot, and also at least one home ground final.
Now how does this help the best Australian side?
Teams in each conference play each other twice, for a total of eight local derby matches each. They then play eight (not ten) sides out of their conference.
This loading of local derbies works for the best Australian sides, I believe, because the Australian conference, in totality, is the weakest of the conferences. A generally weak team like the Highlanders, at home, is more than capable of beating any of its strongest NZ conference rivals.
The Cheetahs can do the same thing in South Africa.
But the Reds or the Waratahs (my pick for the best Australian side) should easily account for the Melbourne Rebels and the Western Force, at home and away.
The Waratahs, also, do not play the Hurricanes or the Stormers, two teams that often defeat the Waratahs.
What about the Brumbies?
It seems to me that this is not a happy franchise. We have Matt Giteau virtually demanding the number 10 jersey when Matt Toomua would seem to be the better choice, with Giteau at inside centre. Rocky Elsom is out for a while, and without him the team lacks firepower in the forwards.
The Reds thrashed the Crusaders in a pre-season frolic, which may or may not be a sign of something significant. There is no doubt that towards the end of last season, the Reds were the best Australian side.
Can they continue on from this form, and intensify it?
They do have a terrific backline, with pace to burn from 7 through to 15. But the forwards don’t impress me, even with James Horwill back, as an outfit that can dominate other sides week after week.
I hope I am wrong because the Reds are committed to play entertaining and winning rugby. Their membership numbers are well over the 10,000 while the Waratahs (with a much bigger supporter base) are struggling to get up to 8,000.
The Waratahs have the players, a team loaded with Wallabies in the forwards and backs. They have lacked enterprise and a playing system that released the attacking genius of players like Kurtley Beale, Rob Horne, Drew Mitchell and Berrick Barnes.
Hopefully, Chris Hickey, now in his third year as coach, is confident enough to allow the Waratahs to play the traditional Waratahs running game. If this happens, the team should be a strong contender for its first Super Rugby championship.
It is not only the bookies that favour the Crusaders, though. The Rugby Review magazine asked 14 experts from the three SANZAR countries (and Paddy O’Brien) to pick the winner of the 2011 Super Rugby Tournament.
Eight out of the fourteen picked the Crusaders; three picked the Bulls; two picked the Sharks; and one, John Blondin, a former Waratahs half-back, picked the Waratahs.
Do Roarers think that only four teams have a chance of winning the tournament? What about the Reds, Stormers and Hurricanes?
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February 14th 2011 @ 5:22am
Ben S said | February 14th 2011 @ 5:22am | Report comment
‘None of the teams Blackadder has been associated with, as a coach, in the UK and now the Crusaders for two years, has won a title.’
To be fair to Blackadder he was working with some seriously poor organisations in the UK. He coached under the walking disaster that was Matt Williams for Scotland and then under Frank Hadden at Edinburgh, one of the weakest sides in the Heineken Cup.
February 14th 2011 @ 7:06am
ohtani's jacket said | February 14th 2011 @ 7:06am | Report comment
Blackadder can’t win the title because he’s never won the title? Doesn’t the same apply to Chris Hickey and Ewen McKenzie?
As for the winner, the top two conference winners will have byes into the semis. Until someone proves that they can win the competition on the road, it’s hard to go past the top seed, but it’s difficult to know who that top seed will be at this stage and whether anyone has a chance of beating them in the semis or final. If it’s the Bulls (at LOFTUS) or one of the other South African sides, they probably won’t. Hopefully, this means teams won’t be able to take their foot off the pedal as the conference leaders will be gunning for the number one seed, but we’ll have to wait and see. There are all sorts of problems which can arise from such a seeding system.
But to answer your question, I think it will be difficult for 4,5 and 6 (and even 2) to win the title on the road. The Reds, Stormers and Hurricanes will have to adopt the mentality of trying to win their conference, but in trying to win the conference at least one of these teams is bound to burn out. It’s a much longer season that waits and the difference between 4th and 6th is usually minimal.
February 14th 2011 @ 7:14am
ohtani's jacket said | February 14th 2011 @ 7:14am | Report comment
Regarding the Blackadder thing, Robbie Deans never won a Super rugby championship where the Crusaders failed to finish first in the standings. Both times they finished second, they lost in the final, and the year where they finished third they lost in the semis.
February 14th 2011 @ 10:35am
Jerry said | February 14th 2011 @ 10:35am | Report comment
Not quite true, the Crusaders won in Canberra in the 2000 final – Deans first season in charge.
February 14th 2011 @ 1:22pm
BennO said | February 14th 2011 @ 1:22pm | Report comment
Re the blackadder thing, serious straw man there OJ. Why bother bringing it up when you know it’s not
what spiro meant. Very boring.
But I’ll spell it out for you: the point being made is that he hasn’t demonstrated a tournament winning coaching record so far in his career so perhaps it’s a bit of a stretch to make his team favourite especially with the loss of his assistant.
February 14th 2011 @ 5:04pm
ohtani's jacket said | February 14th 2011 @ 5:04pm | Report comment
Blackadder has taken the Crusaders to the semis twice but without a high enough finish to avoid a semi in South Africa. Deans’ Crusaders were able to win from 2nd place (thanks Jerry) but as far as I recall no side has won the competition from 4th place. There’s nothing about Blackadder’s results so far to suggest that the Crusaders can’t win another title just as winning one would hardly make him great. I doubt very much that the bookies have pegged the Crusaders as favourites because of anything to do with Blackadder, and frankly there are very few coaches in the competition with championship winning experience. It’s a fairly obvious point that you’ve won nothing till you win something. Anyway, Spiro had said the same thing about Blackadder numerous times, not to mention Rob Penney. Are you sure you understand what he’s saying?
February 15th 2011 @ 1:33am
BennO said | February 15th 2011 @ 1:33am | Report comment
Yes.
February 14th 2011 @ 7:14am
Blue said | February 14th 2011 @ 7:14am | Report comment
The Bulls aren’t from Johannesburg. They are from Pretoria.
I can see a Stormers / Crusaders final with the Crusaders taking it home. The Bulls will fall short and the Waratahs are a good team but will again stumble at the last hurdle.
My Dark horse is the Sharks who will be in the finals. The Reds are always one or two injuries away from becoming mediocre and the Brumbies have too many average players amontg their stars.
February 14th 2011 @ 12:43pm
Nick said | February 14th 2011 @ 12:43pm | Report comment
The Reds I think have the most amount of depth this year than any other Australian super rugby team.
February 14th 2011 @ 7:20am
Willy said | February 14th 2011 @ 7:20am | Report comment
I really agree with you, Spiro.
I think people are underestimating the effect the new structure will have on the final results.
In the past, the simple system of playing every team once, home and away, with only the top four making the finals, meant that the strongest teams usually finished in the top two and were virtually impossible to beat in a home semi and home final.
Under the new system, the best team in the tournament is not guaranteed of finishing top overall or, indeed, in the top two.
So everything we know needs to be questioned.
I reckon the Aussie conference is the weakest, so the top Aussie team has every chance of finishing top overall.
But, equally, I could be completely wrong!
Only time will tell.
February 14th 2011 @ 7:36am
PeterK said | February 14th 2011 @ 7:36am | Report comment
I think there will be 2 teams from each conference that make it.
From NZ Crusaders and Blues.
From SA Bulls and Sharks
From Oz Reds and Waratahs.
February 14th 2011 @ 7:58am
Jiggles said | February 14th 2011 @ 7:58am | Report comment
Give Blackadder a chance. Two years with his record in Super rugby is a record that many other Coaches would kill to have. This year I think the Crusaders have their best chance in a couple of years to win the Title, but Spiro does make a very good point regarding how the conference structure could mean the best team in the Comp won’t necessarily finish top.
However in saying this, I think three things have not been considered.
1.The Reds inability to beat the Brumbies. That’s two games that the reds will potentially loose, they have not beaten the Brumbies for a long long time.
2.Waratah-Brumbies matches are often dour affairs with the result being determined on 1 controversial movement or 1 big play.
3.The unkown Rebels factor. They are a Rod Macqueen Coached team, so they shouldn’t be written off. They also have some fine players that are not Australian or are from RL so they have an element of mystery to the other established Australian Players.
So I don’t think it is as clear cut as the Reds and Tah’s wining all their games against Australian Opposition, with the result being comfortable positions in the top 6 come finals time.
February 14th 2011 @ 8:00am
Funktapuss said | February 14th 2011 @ 8:00am | Report comment
Funny if Melbourne gives New South Wales a real kicking on Friday night. NSW should be used to it, we do it to them in every other field of endeavor.
February 14th 2011 @ 9:26am
Willy said | February 14th 2011 @ 9:26am | Report comment
Not true.
Our State Govt is MUCH more incompetant than yours.
In fact, I reckon NSW Labor is the No. 1 worst Govt in this country at any level.
So stick THAT in your pipe and smoke it.
February 14th 2011 @ 10:45am
Ironawe said | February 14th 2011 @ 10:45am | Report comment
Hahaha, quite right.
February 14th 2011 @ 12:07pm
Funktapuss said | February 14th 2011 @ 12:07pm | Report comment
Not sure if I would classify governments as a field of endeavor. From where I come from, people in politics are generally persons who have failed at whatever direction in life they have led previous to trying to save the rest of us with their ‘leadership.’
Look at John Howard for instance, a failed solicitor. Jeff Kennett, a failed businessman.
Rebels should have a good first up win with the Sin City boys being too cocky.
February 14th 2011 @ 12:11pm
Chris said | February 14th 2011 @ 12:11pm | Report comment
and let’s not forget Kevin Rudd and Julia Gillard – a failed… wait, neither of them have even had a real job.
February 14th 2011 @ 12:46pm
Nick said | February 14th 2011 @ 12:46pm | Report comment
Funny.. but sorry Capt. Bligh and her merry idiot men are hot on your tracks and want the title this year…….simliar to super rugby maybe?
February 14th 2011 @ 12:25pm
Denby said | February 14th 2011 @ 12:25pm | Report comment
Funktapuss,
I am not doubting your comments but I am trying to think of one possible example. Do you mind helping me out?
February 14th 2011 @ 8:01am
Rugby Academic said | February 14th 2011 @ 8:01am | Report comment
Spiro I read with interest you piece last week and comment that the Tahs still don’t get it. One of the significant weakness in the team is in the inside backs, their inability to construct creative momentum and secondly, the style of forward play dominated by Phil Waugh. Single minded determination when it borders on asinine stubbornness becomes a huge drag on the whole team. This is a sad acknowledgment from a strong SU supporter, but I wait for enlightened, creative structure and to be proven wrong.
February 14th 2011 @ 9:59am
jameswm said | February 14th 2011 @ 9:59am | Report comment
the forward play need to be more dynamic and exposive – fast clear-outs, fast pick-and-drives etc. None of this slow rolling forward stuff.
February 14th 2011 @ 8:03am
Justin said | February 14th 2011 @ 8:03am | Report comment
Its all hypothetical. Sounds like for some people we may as well go straight to the finals now.
Football (in any code) isnt predicated on previous results. Each season always has surprises otherwise we would all be rich from punting on tha fave’s year in and year out…
I actually think SA could have the easiest pool but again I could be wrong. Usualy have a couple of whipping boys each year though.
February 14th 2011 @ 8:08am
Taniwha said | February 14th 2011 @ 8:08am | Report comment
A good piece Spiro, I agree with much that you say. I think all the NZ super 14 coaches are under pressure after last season, not just Blackadder.