History to repeat after Rugby World Cup semis
By Brett McKay, 18 Oct 2011 Brett McKay is a Roar Expert
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In hindsight, It probably was my fault. Just prior to kickoff in Saturday’s first Rugby World Cup Semi-Final between Wales and France, I commented via Twitter: “Whatever result comes from either #RWC2011 semi tonight and tomorrow, I just hope we’re talking about the rugby and not the refs on Monday..”
As Sam Warburton was dragging his stunned face off Eden Park, and with Alain Rolland’s red card still aloft behind him, sometime Roarer Westius came back swiftly with, “took all of 10 mins to ruin that idea!”
Though the talk has somewhat died down three days later, I maintain Rolland got it right. Whatever you think of the decision itself, and what effect the decision had on the game, one thing remains unarguable: Warburton lifted French winger Vincent Clerc above the horizontal and ultimately dropped him on his shoulders and neck.
And the IRB’s directive on this matter, first issued in 2009 and reiterated several times since by referee’s boss Paddy O’Brien, is quite clear about possible scenarios regarding lifting tackles, including:
“The player is lifted and then forced or “speared” into the ground. A red card should be issued for this type of tackle.”
When the Warburton’s tackle is looked at, and this directive is applied, it’s clear that Rolland didn’t have a whole lot of choice. Warburton had to go.
What ensued for the remaining 61 minutes was a team performance for the RWC annals. With only 14 men, Wales pushed France until the very end, and it is still hard to argue with Welsh defence Coach Shaun Edwards’ blunt post-match offering, “The team that should be in the World Cup final on Sunday won’t be.”
The loss of Rhys Priestland before the match really hurt Wales’ chances of stretching France, even with a full complement of players. James Hook started well enough, and kicked smartly at stages during the first half, but as the game went on, he seemed to panic and lose his way.
During the half time break, Queensland Reds coach Ewen McKenzie offered his typically astute thoughts, saying via Twitter, “If I was Wales I would not kick the ball at all – multiple phases – simple focus on ball retention – France will stress without the ball”.
Minutes after the break, McKenzie followed up with “Hook is killing me. Stop kicking away front foot ball in particular”. Now, I’m not sure if Welsh coach Warren Gatland is a follower, but not a minute later Hook was … well, you know. Stephen Jones went on, but nothing really improved.
Now yes, Mike Phillips would score his second brilliant blindside sniping try in a week, and you’d have been excused for thinking Eden Park had been temporarily relocated to Cardiff for the night, such was the noise as the Welsh were urged home. But in the end, they just couldn’t land the killer blow.
The last period of play probably highlights Wales’ night perfectly. 26 phases of possession just inside the French half, and with Jones standing deep in the pocket for a good chunk of them, yet the Welsh couldn’t get themselves any closer. In fact, for the last ten phases they lost ground, which forced Jones to spread the ball wide in desperation, only to see Jamie Roberts cough the ball up in the scramble. France were through to their second RWC Final at Eden Park.
My point in all this is that France proved the old scoring adage that “you don’t have to draw a picture”. They won through to another crack at lifting “Bill” by doing the simple things right, just as they did in their Quarter Final against England. Thought at times they didn’t look like they wanted to play much rugby, at the times they had to, they did it very, very well.
Their scrum was solid all night, their defence in the second half – and the last twenty minutes especially – was from the top shelf, and their dual scrumhalves, Dimitry Yachvili and Morgan Parra, kicked superbly for territory all game. They did precisely what they needed to do to win, and nothing more. You don’t have to draw a picture.
We’re now left with a repeat of the inaugural RWC Final, and though France will obviously be hoping for a different result from 1987, I don’t like their chances.
New Zealand are through to a third RWC final, and the surprise is perhaps not they beat Australia as clinically as they did (and do, it seems), but that there were people outside patriotic lines giving the Wallabies a chance in the first place.
The All Blacks were always going to be up for this game, and when Quade Cooper kicked off straight into touch, you just had a bad feeling about how the night might turn out for the Wallabies. The old line, “started off s#$%house and went downhill from there” instantly sprang to mind.
And that would turn out to be a fair assessment of the Wallabies’ performance.
On full time, Richie McCaw had the satisfied look of a satisfied captain, and he was walking remarkably freely for a man whose foot injury was supposedly on the verge of requiring amputation. He wasn’t quite at his peak, but he still held his own in the company of New Zealand’s outstanding backrow for the whole 80 minutes.
Of course, they weren’t the only black-clad trio to run amok. Cory Jane was the official Man of the Match, but it could just as easily have been Israel Dagg or even Israel Dagg’s prodigious right boot. These two (three) and back three partner Richard Kahui made sure the aerial game was a virtual no-contest, and I lost count of the number of times they made something from nothing from a kick-return and clever offload.
On the other side of the ledger, if there’s a word to describe the Wallabies in general play, it’s ‘panicked’. As the night went on and time got away, the panic only seemed to intensify. Passes were pushed. Ruck ball wasn’t released. Runners became isolated. Footing was lost. At one stage, skipper James Horwill’s errant touch on a descending bomb sent the ball cannoning forward straight into the hands of an offside Adam Ashley-Cooper. It was that sort of night.
Wallaby fans – me included – had a bit of fun with the #HandsOffSevenBlack hash tag over the weekend, but it might have had the opposite effect from that desired. “7 Gold” seemed to feature in Craig Joubert’s game commentary fairly regularly. Try as he might, David Pocock just didn’t have the same effectiveness as he did in the Quarters, although given what he got away with against South Africa, it’s probably a case of things evening out, as they tend to.
And before anyone assumes anything, that’s not a slight on Joubert’s refereeing at all. He had an excellent game with the whistle, and the Final will be a fitting reward.
In the end, the best team on the night – if not of the tournament – won comfortably, even though 17 points were left on the field, generally to the right of the uprights.
If I’m honest, I always imagined New Zealand would bring about Australia’s Rugby World Cup demise in 2011. This might have happened a game earlier than forecast (or hoped), but it has happened anyway. We all like to joke about the All Blacks past penchants for falling at the second- or third-last hurdle, but I didn’t believe it would happen this time.
A second possession of the William Webb Ellis trophy would be apt for what has clearly been the best rugby team in the world for some time.
With another New Zealand-France RWC final, and again at Eden Park, it seems Split Enz might have got it wrong all those years ago. I’m quite sure history will repeat next Sunday night in Auckland.
Brett McKay is a former non-tackling scrumhalf and not-quite-1st Grade middle order stalwart. A rugby and cricket expert for The Roar since July 2009 (having joined in Sept 2008), Brett has written for Inside Rugby and Cricket Australia, and is also PLAY Canberra's rugby correspondent. He tweets from @BMcSport
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October 18th 2011 @ 7:09am
Moaman said | October 18th 2011 @ 7:09am | Report comment
Very nice Brett.I was just reflecting that the buzz of the weekend is starting to wane and we are now entering that lull period,almost one of anti-climax.I hope the ABs aren’t feeling like I am because the French side is still chock full of good players and a lot of experience.I can’t help thinking though that the ‘final’ has been played…hope I am right because a stumble now would be very painful!
October 18th 2011 @ 9:10am
Brett McKay said | October 18th 2011 @ 9:10am | Report comment
Moa, all the reports coming out of NZ over the last few days have referred to this, this overwhelming sense of relief that the last hurdle is done, and now it’s just a dash for the line and glory. Complacancy won’t affect the team, I’m sure, but there’s plenty of hints of it within “the people”.
And I can understand why they might think this way, but gee, what if … well, you know…
October 18th 2011 @ 9:58am
Snobby Deans said | October 18th 2011 @ 9:58am | Report comment
Any Kiwi who presumes to write off the French is an idiot, plain and simple. As long as the All Blacks show the French the respect they deserve, and they will, then it’ll be okay for us All Black fans.
October 18th 2011 @ 3:07pm
Brad said | October 18th 2011 @ 3:07pm | Report comment
As long as the team doesn’t write the French off (which they won’t), the public can think what they want. But going on past results I don’t think the public will be counting their chickens or roosters…
I personally feel very nervous because I have been waiting 24 hard years, but I have faith in this team and as long as they leave nothing in the tank this weekend I will proud of them!
October 18th 2011 @ 3:24pm
Brett McKay said | October 18th 2011 @ 3:24pm | Report comment
go with the nerves Brad, they make victory all the more satisfying…
October 18th 2011 @ 3:29pm
Brad said | October 18th 2011 @ 3:29pm | Report comment
They did on Sunday!
October 18th 2011 @ 3:38pm
Brett McKay said | October 18th 2011 @ 3:38pm | Report comment
OK, you can stop posting now…
October 18th 2011 @ 8:00am
Jason Cave said | October 18th 2011 @ 8:00am | Report comment
Although you just don’t know which French side will show up on Sunday-the ones that play brilliant rugby, scoring end-to-end tries, or the team that likes to be undisciplined and starts all-in brawls all the time. Ask any of the All Blacks who were there in 1994 when they suffered a unpredictable 2-0 series loss to France or the ones who played in the 1999 & the 2007 losses in the Rugby World Cup that year. Funny & strange things happen when the All Blacks play France. Write off the French team at your own peril.
October 18th 2011 @ 9:13am
Brett McKay said | October 18th 2011 @ 9:13am | Report comment
yep, it’s a fair point Jason. Even the French team and supporters shrug their shoulders and mutter “we are French, we don’t even know..”, so while you certainly can’t discount it fully, it still seems unlikely…
October 18th 2011 @ 2:45pm
Hoy said | October 18th 2011 @ 2:45pm | Report comment
I find it amazing.
The French team are famous for being the French team I guess. So do their fans get disgruntled when they lose because they just have a famous French team off day? It infuriates me that the Wallabies have such poor consistency. Yet the French have been like this for years, and their fans still seem to love their team.
I can’t figure it out. I am on the verge of throwing the towel in (which would never happen really) because we were so ordinary over the last 6 weeks. Even when we won, we looked ordinary, and that is the most frustrating thing I have ever known. The fact I know we could be so much better is dong my head in. How do the French fans put up with it?
If we turn into the French, I just don’t know what I will do with myself. Take some medication I guess. French cheese and some wine?
October 18th 2011 @ 3:39pm
Brett McKay said | October 18th 2011 @ 3:39pm | Report comment
maybe that’s the answer Hoy, some mercurial yet brilliant players, and a coach constantly annoyed by them and questioning their commitment. Hang on….
October 18th 2011 @ 8:18am
sixo_clock said | October 18th 2011 @ 8:18am | Report comment
Hey Brett, good read,
I would be gutted for Sam Warburton, he will be playing all kinds of scenes in his head for his reception back in Wales. He needn’t worry though, what he did was just a foolish bit of hotheadedness from trying to lead from the front and the majority of Rugby people will see it that way. Of course he had to get the red card, we do not ever want to compromise the long term health of our young players for mere sport.
The Kiwis breathed a huge sigh of relief at the end, we were a threat and it took their ‘A’ game to beat us. that is respect and we should acknowledge it.
We did not bring our ‘A’ game, players underperformed and the lack of energetic fast-thinking accurate forwards was finally exposed. All coaches in Australia should recognise this and get to work on ball retention and breakdown tactics. The useless chip and box kicks should be seen and dealt with as signs of leadership and imagination failure. We need more depth, more Rugby brains coming through and although Dingo has had some influence on that process he just hasn’t had enough support or time to get the job done. He has yet to realise the full damaging effect of tribalist politics in Oz.
I had hoped along with everyone else for a better outcome but Rugby always has been a man’s game and the boys just didn’t have enough. The standouts like BamBam, McCabe, O’Connor, Dan, Sharpie, James, Digby, Radike, AAC were left stranded by others who could not step up, played within themselves and that result was all we could ever expect.
October 18th 2011 @ 9:17am
Brett McKay said | October 18th 2011 @ 9:17am | Report comment
Sixo, you’re on the money here. Even looking at those names you mention, if you take out Sharpe, Vickerman and Samo, you’re left with what will essentially be the core of the team going forward. It’s a bit of a cliche that they’ll “be better for the run”, but I think that’s a fair assessment as sights get realligned for 2015..
October 18th 2011 @ 2:48pm
Hoy said | October 18th 2011 @ 2:48pm | Report comment
I also notice recently the Kiwis have used their throat slitting haka for us and not too many other teams. I think it shows they are serious when they play us now. Without being an idiot about it, we are a threat to them, and they recognise us now. Only 2 years ago, we never got the “Kapa O Pango”, only the Saffas did.
October 18th 2011 @ 3:44pm
Brett McKay said | October 18th 2011 @ 3:44pm | Report comment
Hoy, it seems Kapo O Panga comes out for games they really want to win, and I think the Frenchies might have even got it during the pool stages..
October 18th 2011 @ 3:49pm
the other Steve - and AB fan said | October 18th 2011 @ 3:49pm | Report comment
they did get the Kapo O Panga
October 18th 2011 @ 8:49am
Tony said | October 18th 2011 @ 8:49am | Report comment
New Zealand can’t lose Sunday. They had one hand on the trophy when the world cup got awarded to New Zealand and they put the other on when Nonu dived over early v the Wallabies. As a neutral I just hope France play some rugby and make some sort of spectacle. All blacks by 20.
October 18th 2011 @ 9:15am
ChrisT said | October 18th 2011 @ 9:15am | Report comment
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October 18th 2011 @ 9:17am
Brett McKay said | October 18th 2011 @ 9:17am | Report comment
Tony, they can, but I don’t think they will. 20 might be a good call…
October 18th 2011 @ 8:14pm
HunterS said | October 18th 2011 @ 8:14pm | Report comment
Paddy OBrian has his other hand on it. It was safe before the start.
October 18th 2011 @ 9:14am
Handles O Love said | October 18th 2011 @ 9:14am | Report comment
I can’t believe that the French can turn their form around. I don’t think they have produced anything so far this tournament that would lead you to think the are anything but a rabble. They hit the front against England early, and then extended their lead through a comical series of English defensive blunders. I have no doubt a 15 man Wales would have murdered them. Link might have been frustrated by Hook’s kicking, but I thought the French tactics, against a short handed opposition, were close to imbecilic. Phase play would have inevitably lead to gaps, but they continued to put the ball up high.
Australia were disappointing, but I can’t cop this story that we were smashed. NZ are deserved winners, but I don’t think there was anything wrong with us that a fit Horne, Barnes, Beale, wouldn’t fix. Next year we should see continued growth from Ben Tapuai and Mike Harris which may put them in the picture. I am a big fan of AF, and think McCabe has done a good job, but playing them both together is simply dumb, and puts incredible pressure on Quade, which he did not handle well. Rocky is done, too.
October 18th 2011 @ 9:42am
Brett McKay said | October 18th 2011 @ 9:42am | Report comment
Handles, I guess we can’t rule out that because the French haven’t produced anything so far this tournament, that perhaps we should believe that they can turn their form around!!
Agree with your thoughts on the Wallabies, and I do think a lot of the errors came on the back of the immense ABs pressure. In short, we played about as well as New Zealand allowed us to. And yeah, there’s no shame in getting beaten by a superior team..
October 18th 2011 @ 11:56am
Jeb said | October 18th 2011 @ 11:56am | Report comment
France has produced at this world cup which is why they can’t possibly win the final. They played their ubiquitous one good game against England. I’d love to see them make a game of it but definately feel they’ll be smashed by a big margin.
October 18th 2011 @ 3:56pm
the other Steve - and AB fan said | October 18th 2011 @ 3:56pm | Report comment
The French got rattled and then knocked over by Tonga, so their mental state and confidence can be knocked around within a game.
Now Tonga is good, but they are not the All Blacks. If the All Balcks play their high tempo, pressure game from the beginning (as they did against the Wallabies), then France will never get the chance or the self-belief to get the ‘French Fury’ going.
In the NZ – France pool game, the French kicked off and had the initiative for that first 10 minutes of high pressure rugby. The All Blacks defence held and hit back, and the French never really got going again.
October 18th 2011 @ 9:16am
Seiran said | October 18th 2011 @ 9:16am | Report comment
Hi Brett, Nice article
Lookiing at the issued directive I think the ruling could have been a bit harsh
a. “The player is lifted and then forced or ‘speared” into the ground. A red card should be issued for this type of tackle”
b. The lifted player is dropped to the ground from a height with no regard to the player’s safety. A red card should be issued for this type of tackle.
c. For all other types of dangerous lifting tackle it may be considered a penalty or yellow card is sufficient.”
The winger was not speared. He was dropped. So option A should be ruled out automatically and you move to the other options. How high was he dropped from? Waist height? What constitutes ‘a height’ from option B? Was there ‘no regard to the players safety’? Hard to say, it certainly wasn’t done with any malice.
I think option C would have been sufficient. A dangerous lifting tackle leading to a yellow card.
October 18th 2011 @ 9:48am
Brett McKay said | October 18th 2011 @ 9:48am | Report comment
Cheers Seiran, I’ve just had a similar conversation with a mate via email, so here’s a cut & pasted reply:
“there’s another scenario in that IRB directive [point B, above], which I didn’t mention, and it says something along the line of if they player is dropped with no regard to their well being, that’s also a red card. I didn’t mention this scenario, because I don’t believe Warburton dropped him until well after the lifting and driving action, probably at the point where he realised what he’d done. He has lifted, he has driven over the top, and he did drop at the last moment. All those fit into the red card scenarios…”
And maybe the Yellow might have been the safer option on the night, but now that Warburton has copped another 3 weeks, the tackle obviously warranted further action, and hence my thoughts that Rolland got it right..
October 18th 2011 @ 10:02am
David of Canberra said | October 18th 2011 @ 10:02am | Report comment
Well written, Brett, a good mix of observation and analysis which captured my thoughts as well. Looking towards Friday, given the eerie similiarities to 1987, I wouldn’t be surprised if Wales are fired up to repeat the third-place play-off victory against Australia – the Wallabies better get their heads together and develop the mental resilience they were lacking on Sunday night.
The Wallabies have always benefitted from the benchmark of world rugby being across the ditch – but it’s time for the Australian players to really understand what is required (probably what Robbie Deans has been talking about for the last three years but as yet, it’s just not ingrained in the Wallabies’ and, more broadly, Australian rugby’s DNA).
IBut as to the final … having spent part of yesterday bantering via email with a friend of mine, an NZ expatriate, about the semi-final, I still believe that the fear factor of the French team repeating the famous semi-final victory of 1999 and the quarter-final victory of 2007 is massive in New Zealand, which is being hidden by the huge relief from defeating the Wallabies.
This fear will drive the All Blacks into winning the final – the haka will be awesome and the first 10 minutes will be beyond ferocious – in my opinion, the All Blacks don’t want to win, they just don’t want to lose – there’s a subtle but key difference.
The issue then for NZ rugby is whether they will be graceful victors and, with the fear factor exorcised, then lead the rugby world in a culture of entertaining and exciting rugby as world champions, or will they lapse in selfish triumphalism which will make the rest of the world more determined to bring back their fears at the next world cup by taking the All Blacks down.
Being expected to always win can be a huge burden – I’m sure those All Blacks that retire after the World Cup will be quite relieved to be out of the constant pressure.
October 18th 2011 @ 11:06am
Brett McKay said | October 18th 2011 @ 11:06am | Report comment
cheers David, good to hear from you. I think the fear would only be felt by the people, and even then, not in great quantites. You might have heard Tim Gavel this morning talking about all the nervousness of last week is gone in Auckland, and now it’s become the expectation of glory. The team, I’m sure will respect the French, but will rightly be confident in their methods.
And well they should be..
October 18th 2011 @ 10:09am
Grimmace said | October 18th 2011 @ 10:09am | Report comment
Good stuff Brett,
Joubert’s refereeing was top rate. The better team won on Sunday, as much as I hate to say it. Panick is a apt description.
For me Wales were the good news story from this World Cup. The amount of young classy players they have is great. To get 65,000 people to the Millennium Stadium to watch them on the big screens and the way they created a real anticipation amongst non Welsh supporters prior to their games is testament to their performance. They are the shining light of NH rugby, their eastern neighbours could learn a few things. Warburton’s send off was unfortunate, any forward who has ever got near a winger has done it, just for him it was at the worst possible time right in front of the ref.
The real shame about the French getting through is that the final score will look like a cricket score. Which is a real shame as this has been a fantastic tournament which deserves a cracker of a final.
October 18th 2011 @ 11:11am
Brett McKay said | October 18th 2011 @ 11:11am | Report comment
Grimmace, it really was something to see more people in a stadium on th other side of the world watching a big screen than there was in the stadium where the game was actually played..
And I reckon the Final might be one of those games where there will either be only a few points in it, or it might be a thrashing. And it all comes back to the same variable: which French team turns up..
October 18th 2011 @ 10:27am
Sam Taulelei said | October 18th 2011 @ 10:27am | Report comment
The beauty of the French and Latin temperament is that they’re not wired the same way as Anglo Saxons are.
The inconsistency of their performances reflect their own mental state when preparing for each game.
Sport for the French is still an expression of their spirit and artistry, clocking up victory after victory isn’t as important for them to build self belief and confidence, they are always confident that they can play well but the game has to mean something to them. They have to emotionally connect to the occasion in order to bring out the best in them.
Nothing stirs the Latin blood more than being written off by all quarters, scorned by their own countrymen and then being on a world stage where they can prove their manhood.
A further review of their pool match against NZ showed that for the opening 10 minutes they had the All Blacks under more pressure than anyone else has managed and narrowly missed a couple of scoring opportunities. Their setpieces were generally ok but the scrum improved noticeably when they subbed on their first choice front row. They were able to find gaps in the All Blacks defence with their running from deep angles and quick passing. This team are no mugs that are “lucky to be in the world cup final”.
Their defensive coach Dave Ellis plotted the downfall of the All Blacks in 2007 and was involved with Graham Henry when the Lions toured in 2005 and he will be identifying weaknesses in the All Blacks attack and working out ways to counter
it or slow their ball down.
The French forwards can match the All Blacks for power and mobility which bemuses me when so many are quick to write off their chances based upon our semifinal win against the Wallabies. The French pose a very different threat and a very real one, we haven’t yet seen this All Blacks side respond to clawing back a decent deficit and the game management from Weepu and Cruden is very different when you’re behind as opposed to when you’re in the lead.
It would just be like the French if they were to ruin NZ’s biggest party in their own backyard.
October 18th 2011 @ 11:12am
Brett McKay said | October 18th 2011 @ 11:12am | Report comment
Sam this is an excellent post, there’s nothing more to add…
October 18th 2011 @ 3:55pm
TembaVJ said | October 18th 2011 @ 3:55pm | Report comment
Good article, very good post Brett and Sam, wish we could get this sort of quality on a Monday morning if you know what I mean.
The red card issue is very tough for me to side on… The law is the law but it ruined a nations hopes and to be fair we have seen similar tackles through out the year some of them not even receiving a yellow.
In the end a penalty, 10 minutes in the bin and a 3 week ban would have been justice to me. Kick Wales out of a RWC semi is harsh.
its not hard to guess who would have won if not for that red.
I feel for Wales, they deserved to go on, besides the AB’s Wales have been a good advertisement for the game, under dogs, heart and not scared to run with the ball.
October 18th 2011 @ 4:33pm
Brett McKay said | October 18th 2011 @ 4:33pm | Report comment
cheers Temba. I know what you mean regarding yellow/3 weeks, but in that case, the tribunal ruling may well have been that yellow should ahve been red, and so 3 weeks is now actually 5. It’s happened in the past.
Otherwise, I agree with you, and I think Wales earned a lot of fans down this way. Be interesting to see the Wallabies play them in Cardiff in November/December..
October 18th 2011 @ 10:48am
zhenry said | October 18th 2011 @ 10:48am | Report comment
“..it’s clear that Rolland didn’t have a whole lot of choice. Warburton had to go…”
But he did have choice. Impossible at the speed of normal time to judge that tackle, split second and all with the flow of the action, lifting yes but the nature of the drop and the spearing into ground, no. Also check for injury first not accept ‘a holywood’. In any game, but for such an important game, if there is any doubt, yellow card. The slow motion completely changed the reality but it did strongly suggest no intent to spear and the drop was near the ground.
Anyway McKenzie’s comment: “If I was Wales I would not kick the ball at all – multiple phases – simple focus on ball retention – France will stress without the ball”. Against WBs the ABs also kicked away possession and did not retain the ball for long periods, so good advice for ABs, its not the AB way but they don’t have to ‘paint a picture’ just win the bloody thing.
And BM, always works if you are wise after the event.
October 18th 2011 @ 11:45am
Brett McKay said | October 18th 2011 @ 11:45am | Report comment
zhenry, if you can’t pair up wisdom with hindsight, it’s just not worth being wise, is it…
I take your point about the speed of Warburton’s red, and I was certainly shocked that the touchies weren’t even called, but on the other side of the coin, I don’t think it’s a bad thing that referees back their judgement on the spot. Joubert on Sunday awarded Nonu’s try straight away, when the safe thing might have been to have a look at Dagg’s foot and the touchline.
In both cases, they were proved to be right – Warburton got another 3 weeks, and Daggs foot stayed in – and so I say good on them.
And you;re right about the ABs too, it was much more beneficial for them to play in Australia’s half. Or 22, when Dagg was doing the kicking back.. You don’t have to paint a picture…
October 18th 2011 @ 10:31pm
Nashi said | October 18th 2011 @ 10:31pm | Report comment
Brett, nice article. I always look forward to your measured response to such emotion charged outcomes and I appreciate the fact that you respond more than any other journo to the posters feedback.
I have a feeling that Joubert was not entitled to go to the TMO re Dagg’s foot because it was not “in the act of scoring” as such. An earlier discussion about Joubert’s performance highlighted this fact. I also felt pretty comfortable on the single replay I saw of the try that Dagg’s foot was in the clear anyway.
With regard to Wales, I am not so confident that we can beat them, but I would would ask Robbie and co that if we want to be remembered and respected as a team we need to go back to “our” game. Put Barnes in at 12, AAC at 13 and let the boys play fast and loose. I’ve had enough of the tight RWC football to last me 4 more years. And there is no other team that offers the same prospect of reciprocation. You could even argue (if you were not talking to a Kiwi) that it has the prospect of being even more memorable than the final. Right now everyone looks at us as a bunch of wannabees on too much red cordial. OK so let’s show them what a sugar hit really looks like in full flight!
October 19th 2011 @ 8:42am
Brett McKay said | October 19th 2011 @ 8:42am | Report comment
well I can hardly NOT reply to your post now, can I, Nashi!! Thanks for your comments though, I really appreciate the feedback..
You may well be right regarding use of the TMO, actually, and I have to admit that “in the act of scoring” provision escaped my mind when commenting yesterday. Having seen a few more replays of it, the touchie was well positioned to see Dagg’s foot anyway, and must have been able to give Joubert the quick nod. All in all, it was right decision though, and that’s what matters in the end.
Regarding Wales, I completely agree with you. I’ve commented here in other replies that I think Wales have more to gain out of this game, and would be very determined to arrive home with some semblance of restored pride. Interestingly though, I’ve seen reports suggetsing Toby Falatau will have to play at 7 in Warburton’s absence, as Wales also didn’t bring another opensider.
For the Wallabies, your Barnes/Ashley-Cooper combo may well be the go, as Pat McCabe’s been ruled out and is presumably being prepared for the panelbeaters. My lord he’ll sleep well when this tour’s done!!
But the 3rd place game – much like at the football WC – is all about open, running rugby, so I think we might be in for a bit of treat. And I hope you’re right about it being memorable, because I cannot remember any of the past Bronze games!!
October 19th 2011 @ 11:57am
zhenry said | October 19th 2011 @ 11:57am | Report comment
I was always amazed at SMH editorial to invert the English language before my very eyes; like Plato’s bit by bit generalisations to all of a sudden present 1+1=3: It’s hard to predict the top team results in a RWC, too many lottery factors.
I think it was a bad thing to make spot judgements especially ruining a once in 4 years game. The touchies might have been involved in the Nonu try but again would have preferred the TMO. I don’t have the same regard for rugby judicial process as you probably do.
It was surely a tactic for the ABs to kick and chase WBs and it often worked, but there were too many loose kicks and not enough ‘holding the ball with patience’; as you point out, for both teams.