Slowly but surely, here come the GWS Giants
By The_Wookie, 26 Jan 2012 The_Wookie is a Roar Guru
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In 2005, AFL chief Andrew Demetriou foreshadowed the arrival of a new team in Sydney. Much vitriol was hurled at the AFL Commission for the decision not just from rugby league circles, but plenty of criticism was available from within.
In just a few short weeks, seven years of planning will come to fruition as the Giants enter the AFL Premiership for the first time.
In 2006, it seemed such an extreme undertaking. The team was not a relocation, it was to be created from scratch.
Based in Sydney, there was little in the way of underlying infrastructure and almost no perceptible community backing.
With a Tasmanian bid being rejected in the process, many traditional AFL fans and administrators felt this was a bridge too far, and a senate inquiry found that the AFL had likely bitten off more than it could chew.
To assist with support, the AFL created the NSW scholarship scheme and increased funding to AFL programs in the west of Sydney.
It wasn’t until 2008 that the AFL formally recognised that the club would be Greater Western Sydney, based at Blacktown. The decision to create the team was unanimously approved by all AFL clubs.
The AFL announced a budget of $200 million over 20 years for the new side, having learnt from previous mistakes with private ownership and poorly funded startup teams.
Unlike other competitions, the AFL didnt require a bidding competition. It determined where the team was going and then sorted it out the administration from there.
The team received support from the NSW government to upgrade the Blacktown Sports Park.
In 2009, the AFL delivered a masterstroke – multiple premiership coach, AFL innovator, and self generating publicity machine, Kevin Sheedy would take on the coaching role at GWS.
If it wasn’t bad enough inserting a team into the heart of rugby league territory, the AFL then encouraged Israel Folau to join the fledgling side in 2010 for what is widely reported to be worth $6 million over four seasons.
This, along with other development would only ensure the rise of a slew of ‘code war’ articles in the Sydney press, as many an NRL figure declared the NRL needed to do more to fight the oncoming menace.
By November 2010 GWS had become the Giants and had announced Skoda as the major sponsor. The ACT Government announced a $23 million, 10-year deal to play matches at Manuka. Canberra will be on the jumper, and a separate jumper will be used for ACT matches.
Unlike the Gold Coast, who spent their first year playing in the VFL, GWS would spend their first year in the newly eastablished NEAFL and Foxtel Cup competitions.
There are some doubts as to whether this level of competition will provide adequate preparation for the forthcoming AFL season.
Finally, 2010 was closed out with the announcement that a $65 million redevelopment of the Sydney Showgrounds would take place, to which the AFL would contribute $10 million. Stadium naming rights were sold to Skoda Australia.
2011 saw the Giants put through their paces at Blacktown in the Triangular matches against Sydney and Gold Coast at a sold out Blacktown. They were beaten soundly by the Swans, but enjoyed a much closer match against Gold Coast, but in the end the inexperienced side was bundled out in the first round.
The 2011 season saw the Giants compete in the NEAFL, which included matches against other AFL reserves teams from Sydney, Gold Coast and Brisbane. The Giants played other matches against clubs in the Eastern Division of the NEAFL.
GWS placed third in the conference behind the Swans reserves, and the ACT Tri-colours with 12 wins and five losses from 17 matches. Star recruit Folau finished with six games after coming back from injury, where he kicked 7.1.
The 2011 season also saw the Giants compete in the Foxtel Cup featuring the top teams from the state leagues across the country.
In their first round match at Manuka, the Northern Bullants (Carlton reserves) mercilessly flogged the hapless Giants by 89 points (almost 15 goals).
Due to the quality of the NEAFL competition – it is considered a third tier in Australian football (behind the AFL and the WAFL/SANFL/VFL) – and the ease with which the Bullants thrashed them, there is cause for some concern that preparations might not have been adequate for the 2012 AFL Premiership Season.
At the end of 2011, the Greater Western Sydney founding memberships were listed as 12,198 – well over the 10,000 required by the AFL.
The Daily Telegraph reported that half of the memberships are believed to be from the ACT.
The year also saw the appointment of former Port Premiership coach Mark Williams to the coaching staff, and the firing of CEO Dale Holmes who lost the support of the board, particularly over the handling of the situation with Scully Snr, and for the Giants lacking all year round facilities.
The Giants were permitted two years to take uncontracted players, but like Gold Coast, were limited to one per team unless a deal was struck with the club.
In the 2011 period Phil Davis (Adelaide), Callum Ward (bulldogs), Rhys Palmer (Fremantle), Tom Scully (Melbourne) and Sam Reid (Bulldogs) were taken as uncontracted players. Added to that recently retired players including James MCdonald (Melbourne), Chad Cornes (Port), Luke Power (Brisbane) and Dean Brogan (Port).
In addition, they recruited Setanta O’hailpan in the draft to take the number of AFL experienced players to 10. These players were not involved at GWS prior to 2012.
It’s worth noting that GWS have another year to grab uncontracted players, and free agency kicks in at the end of 2012. In addition the draft allowed them to take considerable numbers of the nations top Australian football talent.
To cap off 2011, The Daily Telegraph revealed that GWS Jumper sponsorships are worth $3 million in 2012 – before they’ve even played a game. Overall sponsorship is at more than $10 million.
Local NRL clubs, and direct competitors for sponsor dollars, Penrith and Canberra were both revealed to be without major sponsors at the time.
At present the Giants have 4,168 members, and are reported to be aiming for 17,000 this year. A target which many consider a trifle optimistic given Gold Coast ended up with 14,000 in their first year. The Daily Telegraph reported that half of the memberships are believed to be from the ACT.
As of January 2012, the Giants are still running a competition for the club song.
The Giants will open 2012 with a triangular series against the Western Bulldogs and Collingwood and Blacktown, before venturing down to play Hawthorn at Aurora Stadium, before finishing the NAB Cup at Albury against the Gold Coast Suns.
The first real shot in anger will be fired a week before the rest of the season starts with an opening Sydney derby, when the Giants play the Swans at ANZ Stadium on March 24th.
They will play a further six games at Skoda Stadium, three games at Manuka Oval in the ACT, and one game at Blacktown during the premiership season.
So we’ve got two months to see what hell the AFL hath wrought.
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January 27th 2012 @ 8:33am
Xman said | January 27th 2012 @ 8:33am | Report comment
Nice summary.
January 27th 2012 @ 9:13am
The Cattery said | January 27th 2012 @ 9:13am | Report comment
Wookie
very good summary about how this came about.
The best of luck to the Giants in their debut season.
January 27th 2012 @ 9:53am
The Cattery said | January 27th 2012 @ 9:53am | Report comment
NicNat helping out Izzy:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/far-out-israel-folau-says-nic-naitanui/story-e6frf9jf-1226254842685
January 27th 2012 @ 10:03am
Gaz said | January 27th 2012 @ 10:03am | Report comment
Well done AFL, the NRL should take note. But then again the NRL are unable to get their Independant Commission up and running!
Those responsible for the failed Super League have a lot to answer.
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January 27th 2012 @ 10:25am
JVGO said | January 27th 2012 @ 10:25am | Report comment
This whole AFL obsession with Sydney is becoming pathetic and sad. The fact that everyone in the Southern States will be encouraged to wet themselves over this entirely contrived and phony venture while noone in Sydney will care is quite bizarre. GWS and its purported rivlary with the Swans exists entirely for the aggrandisement of the AFL and its southern fans. There is nothing real to it at all.
Even Swans supporters, the most carefully nurtured, elitist and self conscious fans in Australia, will figure that being asked to traipze into the dreaded Western Suburbs and participate in such a contrived circus is totally uncool and embarrassing. I will be exremely surprised is this whole ill conceived fiasco doesn’t backfire in the biggest way for all concerned.
January 27th 2012 @ 10:46am
The Cattery said | January 27th 2012 @ 10:46am | Report comment
JVGO
It’s here, it’s happening – be part of history!
January 27th 2012 @ 9:03pm
JVGO said | January 27th 2012 @ 9:03pm | Report comment
If we look at the history of Sydney C you will see that things change very quickly. Paddington was once to the gentry of Sydney that place up the hill where the servants lived and by the 70′s had for a couple of generations been regarded as the roughest working class suburb of Sydney. By the 90′s it had miracualously become the cities hippest and trendiest suburb. Currently however it’s somehow just about knocked off St Ives as Sydney’s most boring address, where if anything interesting happens after 11pm (one of the geriatric denisons of the woollahra hotel might swear under their breath for instance) the residents start flapping their hands and squealing about the real estate values.
Siimilarlly if we are going to look at history C, you might remember that AFL in Sydney was the fortunate beneficiary of a similarly ill conceived corporate marketing disaster during the super league war which was not to the tastes of much of the Sydney sporting public. The Kings also were the victims of an ill conceived sporting expansion which split a strong identity and led to oblivion.
I guess history is happening all the time C if we want to look for it, as are corporate marketing campaigns. Some people may sometimes make the mistake of confusing the two….but never of course any of the members of the AFL is better brigade.
January 28th 2012 @ 7:57am
Tony said | January 28th 2012 @ 7:57am | Report comment
“the tastes of much of the Sydney sporting market”
That’s the Sydney sporting market that has the lowest average attendance in Australia. They are, of course, all at the beach or on the river, because Sydney has such wonderful weather. Sunny all year round so why go to sport? It hasn’t been hard for AFL to draw bigger crowds. It won’t be hard for GWS either
January 28th 2012 @ 8:30am
stabpass said | January 28th 2012 @ 8:30am | Report comment
Marketing campaigns have ben going on for thousands of years across the spectrum, marketing campaigns create much of history, there is no doubt about that.
And as we know, the victor writes, in many instances his own history, as they say, you gotta be in it to win it.
January 29th 2012 @ 4:57am
JVGO said | January 29th 2012 @ 4:57am | Report comment
I don’t know why Sheeds and you guys would want to stop at 3 teams in Sydney and just one in Newcastle. Really I think you need to think bigger. A 200 foot statue of the leader, Sheeds, outside Homebush might be a good start, with trams piping Nick Cave muzak and Jeff Kennett monologues running continuously all the way to the SCG, both ways, with special interchanges at Breakfast Point. Then all you’d have to do is extend the line a little further along the river to Parramatta and noone in Sydney would ever need visit Melbourne again.
And when the revolution is complete and you’ve successfully reduced NSW’s contribution to our international teams to a level similar to Victoria’s (here you can insert not just shabby or spasmodic but instead miniscule) we should at least be able to beat those irish pub guys in the rules challenge. That will be something to look forward to.
A couple of victories in the rules challenge will also be some consolation for us NSWmen for having to watch the domination of the of the cricket team by an array of Victorian talent not seen since the days of Vic legends Graham Yallop, Paul Reiffel, Cam White, Merv Hughes, Marcus North…and…and..well the list is surprisingly short isn’t it…but what about Sean Marsh? Is he from an AFL state? But I think he only played cricket probably cause his dad made him anyway, he would much rather have played AFL like everyone else, where the realites of international competition are not so harsh.
It will be just as great for us also to watch the team handballing the Kookaburra between overs as they try to rest the Dean Jones Memorial goal umpires flag trophy back from Zimbabwe in the hybrid Crules international experimental something or other thing at SCG (or rather the ‘G’ as you guys since the revolution would have us call it).
I think you guys need to think bigger. we’re ready for it. Now we’ve had a taste 3 teams will never be enough. 5, 7 maybe 11, sounds like a good number. With this AFL stuff, you can’t evr have too much.
January 29th 2012 @ 7:25am
It's called soccer said | January 29th 2012 @ 7:25am | Report comment
JVGO is right, we have to think big. In 20 years the NRL will cease to exist. Rugby League will be played by a few old diehards. Sydney people will prefer to go to the beach or the Hawksbury on weekends. So we will have to have more AFL teams to reverse this decline in Sydney’s sporting culture (sic). It will be our duty to the nation to ensure all kids are playing Australian Football. Otherwise they will all be fat slobs, spending all their time on this Blog
January 29th 2012 @ 6:15pm
JVGO said | January 29th 2012 @ 6:15pm | Report comment
ICS I don’t know why anybody would consider going to the beach or the Hawkesbury any less healthy and more obesity inducing than spending your weekends wrapping yourself in a scarf, heading to a huge concrete bowl and waving a flag with a Magpie on it. The only explanation might be that you are a fully paid up member of the AFL is better brigade (ie you believe that watching AFL is better than any other known human activity).
To everyone’s shock and horror in Melbourne the fact that people might enjoy swimming, surfing, sailing, kayaking. or water skiing over the relentless obsession with their football team is not a trait that makes them somehow inferior. It may in fact be a considered a good thing, especially in Sydney. These pusuits are actually enjoyed all over the world to such an extent that international competitions are actually engaged in. How unbelievable.
Maybe we in the north just have a better balanced lifestyle and perspective as well as more varied sporting interests than most of those down south.
January 30th 2012 @ 8:01am
Redb said | January 30th 2012 @ 8:01am | Report comment
Yeah right.
Sydneysiders flock to the beach on a cool June, July or August Friday night around 7pm in the dark in their thousands.
Sydneysiders considered the most unhappy residents in Australia – google your own paper for articles. SMH.
Rationalisations abound.
Why do the Swans average more (crowds) than all the Sydney NRL clubs and the Storm average less than all Melbourne AFL clubs.
January 30th 2012 @ 8:30am
Tony said | January 30th 2012 @ 8:30am | Report comment
Redb….it’s the suggestion that only Sydney people are interested in the beach, etc, & thus do not attend NRL matches, that is so funny. This is to ignore the reality of other cities where most Aussies live & enjoy both watching & playing sport. This annoys some Sydney people, who have to find excuses as to why Sydney is different. This leads to a certain arrogance in some Sydney people, who think their city is so much better than others. This gives us people like JVGO who hate AFL. Hatred is hardly a value for living, but is good for wars.
January 29th 2012 @ 7:40am
Tony said | January 29th 2012 @ 7:40am | Report comment
There was an international NRL game at Redfern last night. The Aussie team was beaten by the Poms. 5,000 people attended. Such is the love of the Sydney public for international sport
January 29th 2012 @ 9:53am
Cman said | January 29th 2012 @ 9:53am | Report comment
Tony check your facts before making silly comments. It was a sell-out home crowd of 5,000 at Redfern Oval. But if being like that helps you sleep at night go for it.
January 29th 2012 @ 11:59am
JVGO said | January 29th 2012 @ 11:59am | Report comment
Tony, I don’t know why you guys are always highlighting the failings of RL. The Sheed’s revolution is about dominating all the traditional sports in the NSW marketplace and becoming number one. But i guess your obsession with Sydney overrall and RL specifically, if nothing else, indicates your preoccupation with being number one in Sydney. Being number 2 or 3 with Soccer and RU would never be good enough for the AFL is better brigade would it? The same as being number 4 isn’t good enough now. Maybe this obsession with being dominant and number one comes from a lack of international competition in the marvelous southern game. I mean in international sporting codes it’s sort of impossible to be ranked number one all the time, maybe that gives you a clearer sense of reality.
I guess though when the revolution is complete we in NSW will be able to thank the AFL for the renewed intensity of our contests with the Windies, Zimbabwe and Holland. And won’t we be all able to really rejoice when manage the odd upset victory against New Zealand who will suddenly appear to play cricket the way the All Blacks play rugby.
January 29th 2012 @ 12:31pm
stabpass said | January 29th 2012 @ 12:31pm | Report comment
@JVGO, you gotta aim high, you should be as best as you can be, easy to say, harder to achieve, if anything the AFL will lift its competitors, to more professional levels to compete……… perhaps a better cricket/rugby team.
One one hand you decry/belittle Australian football for being a one country (half country) game, but on the other berate it for making a serious attempt to grow in the other half. Interesting take!.
RL does enough itself to shoot itself in the foot, no need to highlight the obvious.
January 29th 2012 @ 1:03pm
The_Wookie said | January 29th 2012 @ 1:03pm | Report comment
If you arent aspiring to be the best, then you shouldnt be in professional sport. Sponsors, advertising, exposure, attendance, members – its all linked back to that.
You can slam the AFL for having a far reaching vision, something to aim for. GWS has been six years in the making, and has been some 30 years in the planning. But at least they have that to work towards. It may not all happen, and some of it may never happen, but enough of it will to ensure that people can still get excited/concerned over the AFLs intentions for years to come.
Finally, AFL guys, the NRL will not die. It will not come close to dying. It saw off the Superleague and is coming back. Its going to expand one way or another in the future. Its TV ratings are, on raw data, currently better than the same for the AFL. It will very soon have an Independent Commission – the same thing that set the AFL on its current path. I dont mind a positive process from us here on the AFL tab, but to rhetorically kill off the NRL or A-league every other day is starting to get tiresome.
January 29th 2012 @ 5:11pm
Tony said | January 29th 2012 @ 5:11pm | Report comment
@Cman – yes, I know it was a sell-out. So if Sydney was really serious about international sport (as JVGO pleads) why wasn’t it played at SFS? Because they would not have got more than 6,000, maybe?
@Wookie – it is the AFL-haters who seem to be arguing that NRL will die because of GWS. I don’t think NRL will die, but the arguments of JVGO, ICF, etc need to be shown up for what they are – illogical & irrational anti-AFL rants.
If we substituted Muslim or Asian for AFL expanding in Sydney it would be called racist!
January 30th 2012 @ 9:24am
JVGO said | January 30th 2012 @ 9:24am | Report comment
Wrong Tony. My contention is that the attempt by the AFL to increase its market share by spending hundreds and millions of dollars in Sydney will affect all the traditional alternative sports in NSW, not just RL. I actually think the NRL will probably be the least affected because it has money and resources that the other sports lack.
Sydney has a traditional balance in its sporting market and the fact is that this balance has meant that NSW and Qld provide the backbone of most of our international sporting teams. In the last cricket test NSW representation outweighed Vic’s by a ratio of 7-1. The household soccer names Harry Kewell, Brett Emerton, Mark Schwarzer, Lucas Neil and Tim Cahill all come from Sydney. The Wallabies and Kangaroos speak for themselves.
Whether this uncomfortable reality is to do with the dominance of the AFL in Victoria and its monopolisation of the elite talent and resources and the sidelining of other sports is something maybe the AFL should spend some of its massive resources examining.
I’ll look forward to the AFL report on ‘How the Expansion of AFL in Australia benefits all other sports’. I’m sure they could come up with something.
Besides that the argument from all the AFL is better brigade is that the only measure of anything in life is how many people attend sporting contests is just ridiculous.
January 30th 2012 @ 9:59am
The Cattery said | January 30th 2012 @ 9:59am | Report comment
JVGO
Have mercy on us – Australia is all we have – and we, in turn, is all Australia has.
The NRL has great opportunities to grow into PNG and NZ.
January 30th 2012 @ 10:37am
The_Wookie said | January 30th 2012 @ 10:37am | Report comment
What it is doing is actively making those ‘traditional” sports consider their options and pay even more attention to those areas the AFL is moving into. At the end of the day, community resources increase, kids and families will benefit – not least because of all the free crap the AFL gives away that they can use for other sporting activities, or because its cheaper to play Australian football than soccer.
Its not the job of the AFl to safeguard international sport. As we are told repeatedly, we have no place in Australias international sports market. So we do what we can here in our little box…and its still not enough? Look, Im sorry we didnt have cushy arrangements with News Ltf that meant that we could just leave one team in one of Australias largest cities for years, Im sorry that our Commission – yes we have one – has the money, foresight and will to take risks for the future. And im sorry that in doing that we make the soccer and league fraternities take better care of their own.
January 30th 2012 @ 11:38am
Tony said | January 30th 2012 @ 11:38am | Report comment
@Wookie….I’m not sorry for any of the things you mention the AFL is doing in your 2nd para. The only thing I am sorry about is how blinkered JVGO is in assuming that followers of AFL are Victorians & colouring his arguments that way. I speak as a Sth Aussie residing in Sydney.
January 30th 2012 @ 12:18pm
JVGO said | January 30th 2012 @ 12:18pm | Report comment
Well Wookie, I really wonder what satisfaction exactly you and the other members of the AFL is better brigade, as people who almost exclusively live a thousand miles from Sydney, get out of this whole process. Presumably it diminishes other traditional AFL teams that might represent you geographically chances of being successful in the AFL. It also reduces the other international teams that I presume do represent you geographically and spiritually and their chances of being internationally competitive. The whole thing just doesn’t add up as far as I can see.
But this whole cliched pursit of excellence marketing jargon and the continual misleading potrayal of the AFL’s investment as a straight out battle with NRL is an obvious misrepresentation aimed solely at the dimwitted W (you may insert the name of every one of the AFL is better brigade in there Wookie). As I say the whole point is to dominate the Australian sporting market in the same way it does in the Southern States already. This is the goal that everyone in the AFL is better brigade applauds and endlessly dreams of.
And the pursuit of excellence?
What exactly does the luring with massive contracts of 25 yr old novices from other codes have to do with the pursuit of excellence W?
What exactly does stealing the colours of an NRL team that embodies 200 years of sporting tradition have to do with the pursuit of excellence?
What exactly does the mass diversion of draft picks and finances away from premiership starved traditional fans have to do with the pursuit of excellence W?
What exactly does the 7:1 ration between NSW and Vic in the current Australian cricket team have to do with the AFL’s pursuit of excellence?
What exactly does apparently misleading a government commission as to the numbers of AFL participants in WS have to do with the pursuit of excellence?
Straight out Wookie you say that you are doing us a favour because the ‘AFL is better’ and you will raise the bar for us. Thanks for that. Meanwhile the sports of RL, RU, soccer, Cricket and the Olympic sports have traditionally provided the basis of Sydney sporting culture and the competition between them and overwhelming representation of NSW and Qld boys in their international teams have been the basis of Australia’s sporting reputation, a reputation that is second to none. Sorry Wookie but that is truly competition and that is genuinely the pursuit of excellence, not a descent into a provincial suburban narrow talent pool AFL competition.
The fact is that the AFL leveraging the advantages of its market dominance in the Southern states in order to establish an equivalent dominance in the rest of Australia will not raise the bar in any way. By the look of the current input of the AFL states into our international teams it will just mean a further descent into provincialism and mediocrity. But of course we might get a couple of wins in the rules challenge out of it. And we will be able to thank god and Sheed’s for that.
January 30th 2012 @ 12:54pm
The Cattery said | January 30th 2012 @ 12:54pm | Report comment
An NRL team that embodies 200 years of sporting tradition???
Victoria makes a very good contribution to our Basketball, Hockey, Netball and Lacross national teams – why do you ignore that?
As for Olmypic sports – a recent report on Olympic sports quite rightly concluded that taxpayers are forking out hundreds of millions of dollars per annum to support sports that Australians don’t give a damn about and which does nothing to increase the participation of children in sport.
The time has come to give the Olympics the flick – if individuals want to pursue Olympic glory – let them do it at their own expense.
The AFL does a much better job at sports participation in Australia than the Olympic movement – and it costs the taxpayer next to nothing.
January 30th 2012 @ 3:45pm
JVGO said | January 30th 2012 @ 3:45pm | Report comment
Oh dear Cattery,
I didn’t mean to upset you so much that you start slamming the Olympic sports. I can assure you noone in Sydney has any desire that AFL disappears or is at all disrupted in any of your magnificent southern capitals. So get over it and get on with supporting your team.
Western Suburbs Magpies founded 1908 Colours Black and white
Balmain Tigers founded 1908. Colours orange and black
Merged to form West Tigers, colours orange, black and white.
And when the AFL starts offering contracts to netballers and female basketballers as a marketing ploy to drag attention from their respective competiitions it will be the end honestly C.
By the way congatulations Tony, South Aussies in the Australian Cricket team equals a massive zero. That is a duck in cricket terms and two less than the teams that represent South Australia in the AFL. Way to go SA.
January 30th 2012 @ 4:19pm
The_Wookie said | January 30th 2012 @ 4:19pm | Report comment
Really JVGO, Im not saying its raised the bar, Im saying its forcing you to raise the bar. And you cant tell me thats not true, because every time someone says anything about Western Sydney is about spending more money, building or upgrading stadiums and improving development. You cant tell me thats not the case because it was everywhere when GWS were announced.
Ive never said that the AFl were in a battle with the NRL. Ive consistently said the market exists for all to operate.
I dont think Australian Football is better. Better is a subjective term which very much depends on individual tastes, is Australian Football run better at the top? Absolutely. Which is why the NRL is copying the same model, and why government reports into Cricket and Soccer recommend the adoption of the same.
You are hung up on this pursuit of excellence thing. But for a start – The Senate had no business looking into a profitable Sports making entities decision regarding team locations in the first place. That was a waste of taxpayers money and I couldnt care less what the AFL or anyone else told them.
The aim may well be to dominate the sports scene, one would expect the NRL to be trying to achieve the same, and the FFA would love to. Given dominance means tv deals, advertising, fans and everything else that comes with being a professional competition. If you arent trying to dominate then you shouldnt be in professional sport.
The traditional sports of Sydney have competed against each other for a long time for supporters and fans, and hell they even trade players periodically. Greater international representation has had absolutely nothing to do with states that selectors came from, no sir (try being a good victorian or sa cricketer in the late 80s and 90s). Well now they’ve got even more sport to compete with. If your traditional comps cant handle it, then they shouldnt be in professional sport.
Go ahead and call us dimwitted. Revel in your apparent intellectual superiority. What do i care.
January 30th 2012 @ 4:53pm
JVGO said | January 30th 2012 @ 4:53pm | Report comment
By any objective measure Wookie the Western Suburbs is providing plenty of excellence. Steve Waugh, Michael Clarke, Patrick Cummins, Harry Kewell, Bret Emerton, Mark Schwarzer, Matt Nielson, Paul Gallen and an array of other international sportsmen all hail from Western Sydney and have proven themselves on the international stage.
Westfield Sports High, which the AFL has recently gained access to, has provided over 100 Australian Olympians and was specifically recognised at the Beijing Games by the IOC for its outstanding record of excellence.
But I suppose none of this is excellent enough for you because…well..the AFL is just better..and only the AFL is capable of raising the bar.
The only proven fact that the AFL excels at is marketing, jargon, self promotion and misrepresentation. At this wookie, they have set the bar very high.
January 30th 2012 @ 5:04pm
Nathan of Perth said | January 30th 2012 @ 5:04pm | Report comment
ARRRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHHHHHH CANNOT DEAL WITH THIS CODEWAR CRAP FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!!!
January 30th 2012 @ 5:59pm
JVGO said | January 30th 2012 @ 5:59pm | Report comment
Apologies Nathan. Agreed. This thread has definitely gone more than far enough. Unfortunately it is unlikely to stop as long as Sheedy and his mouth are in town.
January 30th 2012 @ 6:14pm
The_Wookie said | January 30th 2012 @ 6:14pm | Report comment
Along the way they have also set the bar for Australia in a few other areas:
Attendance
Membership
Auskick
Independent Commissions
Player Wages
Salary Caps
Team locations
Club revenues
League revenues
TV rights
Internet rights
Radio rights
In fact they only fall behind the NRL is one area – and even thats arguable depending on how you interpret the raw viewer data. And they come second only to soccer in participation amongst the ball codes. – and thats ERASS data not AFL data.
I have not once said AFL is better. I have said its run better, and on EVERY measure it is.
As for Western Sydney, there is always room for improvement. Why else would clubs like Wests and Penrith be demanding NRL intervention and funds for developments and why else are people like Phil Gould going frothy at the mouth.
And a sports specialist high school producing olympians? well ill be damned. Next you’ll tell me the AIS is doing it too.
January 30th 2012 @ 10:12pm
stabpass said | January 30th 2012 @ 10:12pm | Report comment
@JVGO, whilst there may be no South Aussies in the Australian cricket team, (take your word for it) the young guy who just recently won Junior Wimbledon and the Australian open tennis was from South Australia ……. swings and round-a-bouts … get over it.
FWIW TC is right about quite a few Olympic sports ….no-one cares about them, and the tax payer funds them very generously.
January 30th 2012 @ 10:46pm
JVGO said | January 30th 2012 @ 10:46pm | Report comment
Last time i looked the olympics included basketball, soccer, RU, swimming, sailing, track and field, cycling, judo, rowing, tennis, kayaking, weightlifting, boxing, softball, wrestling…really..I personally know more kids who have participated in each of those sports than i have ever known play AFL. I would honestly like this thread to end but you guys just keep coming up with more and more incredible statements. The fact that you would advocate that all these sports should be swept away because nobody cares and replaced by AFL is slightly surreal.
January 30th 2012 @ 11:36pm
JVGO said | January 30th 2012 @ 11:36pm | Report comment
Sorry Wookie, but regarding your comments on the AFL raising the bar…all I can say is ‘how admirable’, i’m really moved and emotional about all that. I really do find your statements so inspiring.
January 27th 2012 @ 11:32am
Simmo said | January 27th 2012 @ 11:32am | Report comment
“Swans supporters, the most carefully nurtured, elitist and self conscious fans in Australia”.
Lol. Not a totally inaccurate description but I think it fits Sydney RU fans better.
January 28th 2012 @ 8:33am
stabpass said | January 28th 2012 @ 8:33am | Report comment
I reckon it could describe WCE fans,and maybe Melbourne fans as well.
January 28th 2012 @ 2:47pm
Redb said | January 28th 2012 @ 2:47pm | Report comment
Speaking of obsession. This poster seems to pop up regularly.
January 29th 2012 @ 1:28pm
amazonfan said | January 29th 2012 @ 1:28pm | Report comment
He also always seems to be quite heated for someone who claims Sydney will never care.
January 29th 2012 @ 9:54pm
JVGO said | January 29th 2012 @ 9:54pm | Report comment
Me overheated? Why don’t you let me know what you really think Amazon? Like this maybe.
Oh, for lord’s sake, do you read anything I write? At all?!! I respond to your posts, but you don’t me the courtesy of actually responding to mine. You just respond to made up posts in your head.
“Well I think people are correct (in semantic terms) to call him a sporting hero”
You can think whatever you want, just as MF and I are free to think what we want.
“and I think you are wrong to say he isn’t”
I couldn’t care less what you think, you are not in a position to tell me whether I am wrong or not. It is my opinion, and just because you disagree, does not mean that I am ‘wrong’! Why can’t you learn that your opinions are no more valuable than anyone else’s?
“or that they shouldn’t call him that.”
I never said that ‘they’ shouldn’t call him that. Unlike you, I respect people’s opinions, and unlike you, I don’t pretend that my opinions are fact. Not only are you the epitome of arrogance, but you are so delusional that you think others are like you. You don’t see that the only person not respecting other people’s opinions here is you. My god, you even threaten me!
In fact, you are no different to a child. You don’t understand that people have different opinions, you’re stubborn, you resort to empty threats, and you are incredibly narcissistic and self-obsessed.
“If you want to call him just another guy on a bike it’s up to you to see if you can get away with it.”
Two comments. One, I never called him ‘just another guy on a bike’, I actually think he is a great athlete. See, there’s a massive difference between being a sporting hero, and being ‘just another guy on a bike’, but of course you wouldn’t know that, since you live in extremes.
Second, if I did call him ‘ just another guy on a bike’, I would absolutely get away with it, because most people are not like you and do not believe they are God. Furthermore, don’t even try to threaten me. You across as the worst kind of fake-tough guy. ‘ it’s up to you to see if you can get away with it’? Pathetic.
In fact the whole thread is a cracker.
http://www.theroar.com.au/2011/07/25/cadel-evans-crowned-king-of-tour-de-france/
January 30th 2012 @ 7:38am
Tony said | January 30th 2012 @ 7:38am | Report comment
“methinks she protesteth too much”
January 30th 2012 @ 8:04am
Redb said | January 30th 2012 @ 8:04am | Report comment
For sure.
The AFL has a new team coming into the competition in 2012 I wonder why there are articles about it. Maybe there should be articles about Darwin’s new AFL team, oh wait.
Fear factor.
January 30th 2012 @ 4:37pm
Ian Whitchurch said | January 30th 2012 @ 4:37pm | Report comment
JVGO,
Its because you repeat one post, all the time.
That post is
“People shouldnt play or follow Australian Rules. People should play and follow sports I like”.
January 30th 2012 @ 11:01pm
JVGO said | January 30th 2012 @ 11:01pm | Report comment
Funny you should say that IW because that tirade Amazonfan launched at me that I quoted was actually provoked by a discussion of Cadel Evans who despite being the number one human on the planet at his chosen pursuit Amazon didn’t rate or deem worthy of any admiration, no doubt because he’d never represented Collingwood or Essendon at something that really matters. But as an AFL fan you would never try to misrepresent anything or anyone would you? In Amazons defence however I’ll admit I’m an annoying conceited bastard, some of her points weren’t too far off the mark….far more accurate than what you just said for instance.
January 30th 2012 @ 6:35pm
Maximus said | January 30th 2012 @ 6:35pm | Report comment
JVGO,
Envy is a mortal sin.
The more interesting thing is have the AFL and NRL peaked. The NRL has maxed all possible ratings slots on TV and the AFL maybe has maxed on all possible AFL locations except Tasmania. The AFL has some growth left in TV by putting blockbusters on Friday night and adjusting the draw for TV as the NRL does. Similarly the NRL can go to perth and Adelaide but unlikely to get more than Storm type audiences (they cant share the premierships between them for 6 years say) and wont have news Ltd backing. So the codes may be in for Europe style low growth for the next few years…
January 30th 2012 @ 10:17pm
stabpass said | January 30th 2012 @ 10:17pm | Report comment
@ Maximus, its possible you are right, but i could see a 3rd AFL team in Perth right now, a team in Nth Qld, is a possible addition, and of course a long way down the track, a 3rd team somewhere in Sydney. I might add that a team in Nth Qld would be reliant on the population increasing at its present rate for a few more years.
And of course not at AFL level, but Australian football is growing in specific countries around the world, sometimes as grass roots clubs, and other times as places to draft athletes from.
January 30th 2012 @ 11:13pm
JVGO said | January 30th 2012 @ 11:13pm | Report comment
I guess it’s possible that the AFL will just burn money in WS. They in fact have nothing really to gain there other than strategically hurting their rivals, their comp is obviously already as good as it will ever get and they are risking seriously maiming the Swans. The biggest worry to me is that the lesser sports will be squeezed out more and more. The success of GWS would seem to me to make the possiblity of a far more community relevant ALeague or Super Union or Basketball franchise very difficult. Western Sydney is not really that wealthy an area other than in participation terms. The fact that AFL can offer sponsors 500,000+ avid southerners watching this stand alone game ior instance is something the lesser codes would find very difficult to compete with,
January 31st 2012 @ 6:44am
Fitzy said | January 31st 2012 @ 6:44am | Report comment
Hey JVGO take a chill pill, if GWS-AFL is getting you down, go to the cricket, NRL game, RU or HAL game and tune out. No ones saying you should support it or like it. I think AFL-GWS will be able to sleep at night without ur support. As for your contetion that backbone of Aust sport comes out of Syd West, havent seen too many world surfing camps from that area sport, how bout these men and women, Kirsty Marshal, Merve Hughes, Dean Jones, Brad Hodge, Peter Siddle, Shane Warne, Paul Riffle, Andrew Gaze, Luke Longley, the list goes on and on. You really need to get a grip mate, all these people and many more in soccer, basketball, cricket etc have represented Australia and dont come from Western Sydney. Your comments make you look ignorant and silly.
January 27th 2012 @ 10:50am
Tony said | January 27th 2012 @ 10:50am | Report comment
Excellent article – & no attacks on NRL or soccer. The AFL-haters, like JVGO, are certainly (to use his words) going to be extremely surprised.
January 27th 2012 @ 12:00pm
Phil said | January 27th 2012 @ 12:00pm | Report comment
The Wookie, GWS have over 12,000 foundation members from last year. Why didn’t you mention that?
January 27th 2012 @ 1:55pm
The_Wookie said | January 27th 2012 @ 1:55pm | Report comment
I did – its about halfway down – “At the end of 2011, the Greater Western Sydney founding memberships were listed as 12,198 – well over the 10,000 required by the AFL.”
January 27th 2012 @ 3:39pm
The Cattery said | January 27th 2012 @ 3:39pm | Report comment
This is quite interesting – I’m genuinely surprised to learn this.
I was on Twitter earlier today, and GWS Giants congratulated Debbie Spillane for being their 7,000th follower.
This got me thinking – is 7,000 a good number for a brand new Australian Football club domiciled in an area that doesn’t normally support Australian Football?
I didn’t know the answer, so I did a quick bit of research.
Penrith (the Panthers) only have 1,496 followers.
Parra are doing a bit better with 7,464 followers.
Melbourne Victory, the biggest A-League club, has 9,359 followers, while the newest, Melbourne Heart has a tick over 6,000 followers.
The newest Aust S15 team, the Rebels, has 3,691 followers.
So on balance, I think the Giants are doing ok with 7,000 followers, considering they haven’t even played a game yet.
By the way, the other new team, the Suns, have 10, 843 followers (the Titans have 8,815 followers).
The AFL’s bigget club, and perhaps the biggest club in Australia in any sport, the pies, have 24,633 followers (Carlton have 19,499; Essendon have 19,204; and Swans have 14,378).
I did a quick check against some other soccer teams, focusing on more mid-range teams.
Stoke City has 19,123 followers
Napoli has 19,353 followers
Ajax has 91,273 followers
Benfica has 27,456 followers
Sevilla has 34,431 followers
Rangers have 27,184
January 27th 2012 @ 3:43pm
The_Wookie said | January 27th 2012 @ 3:43pm | Report comment
No offence Cattery, but i have zero faith in twiiter/facebook follower numbers being representative of anything more than trivia. Of course, this is the off season and trivia is what we do best.
January 27th 2012 @ 3:47pm
The Cattery said | January 27th 2012 @ 3:47pm | Report comment
No offence taken, I don’t disagree – it was just a bit of fun – but still, the Giants appear to be at least getting their name out there on social media.
January 27th 2012 @ 8:20pm
mds1970 said | January 27th 2012 @ 8:20pm | Report comment
I prefer Facebook to Twitter. They’ve got an official page with 10,535 likes and a reasonable amount of discussion – modest but we’ve got to start somewhere.
January 29th 2012 @ 10:13pm
Mario said | January 29th 2012 @ 10:13pm | Report comment
The All Blacks have 1 million likes on facebook… and some of there players have more followers on twitter then all the AFL team’s followers combined.
January 29th 2012 @ 10:59pm
piesman2011 said | January 29th 2012 @ 10:59pm | Report comment
Ha Ha 1 million
http://www.facebook.com/manchesterunited
Mines 21 times bigger then yours
January 30th 2012 @ 12:00am
The Cattery said | January 30th 2012 @ 12:00am | Report comment
All blacks are very big on Twitter as well, just shy of 100k followers, far, far more than the Wallabies who have 24,472 followers, while the Socceroos have 15,413.
Although the Crusaders only have 9,222 followers.
Mario are you suggesting that some individual players have three times the followers on Twitter than the All Blacks? That sounds highly dubious – for instance, Richie McCaw has 1,677 followers.
January 30th 2012 @ 12:10am
The Cattery said | January 30th 2012 @ 12:10am | Report comment
…while Gary Ablett junior has 38,310 followers, and Harry O’Brien has 29,556 (and they were the first two I looked up).
January 30th 2012 @ 12:30am
Mario said | January 30th 2012 @ 12:30am | Report comment
No I was talking about Cory Jane : http://twitter.com/#!/coryjane1080 – 47k, Piri Weepu : http://twitter.com/piriweepu1049, 40k. And Sonny Bill Williams : http://twitter.com/sonnybwilliams, 93k.
(And those were the first three I looked up.
January 30th 2012 @ 12:31am
Mario said | January 30th 2012 @ 12:31am | Report comment
No I was suggesting they had more then the AFL teams.
January 30th 2012 @ 8:16am
Redb said | January 30th 2012 @ 8:16am | Report comment
Mario,
Never heard of any those players. Most players are boring to follow on twitter, it’s fan boi stuff.
Besides I dont think anyone is suggesting the AFL is the biggest sport in social media on the planet, just that it does OK compared to other Australian based sports and players, in fact its near the top.
The AFL is a club competition how does it compare to the NZ Super 15 sides? applesvapples.
Some sports claim to have captured the younger generation who embrace social media, yet here the AFL is just as big on facebook and twitter.
Twitter – governing sports bodies
AFL – 52K
NRL – 38K
CA – 55K (cricket)
Wallabies – 24K (dont know if the ARU has a twitter account)
FA – 12K (soccer)
January 30th 2012 @ 9:05am
The Cattery said | January 30th 2012 @ 9:05am | Report comment
Mario
These were your exact words: “and some of there players have more followers on twitter then all the AFL team’s followers combined. ”
So which players have more than all the AFL teams combined? I can’t see it in any of the names you provided.
Were you wrong?
January 30th 2012 @ 1:21pm
Mario said | January 30th 2012 @ 1:21pm | Report comment
Redb: You’ve never heard of Sonny Bill Williams? Sheesh I suppose you haven’t heard of any rubgy players then.
January 27th 2012 @ 4:55pm
Tony said | January 27th 2012 @ 4:55pm | Report comment
More relevant stats in today’s Telegraph. An insert to encourage kids to play sport quotes in the lead article Aus Sports Comm that participation in Aussie Rules has risen 71% over the decade. Soccer up 56%. League & Union not rated.
January 27th 2012 @ 6:54pm
The_Wookie said | January 27th 2012 @ 6:54pm | Report comment
yeah its in the ERASS 2010 Report which also says
“Australian rules football and outdoor football had the largest increases in total participation between 2001 and 2010 (+71% and +56%, respectively, between 2001 and 2010) (Box 4). Australian rules football club-based participation gradually increased between 2001 and 2005, decreased between 2005 and 2007, and then increased again in the period 2007 to 2009. The participation rate for Australian rules football in 2010 is the highest in the ten-year period”
ive summarised here at: http://footybusiness.wordpress.com/players/playing-numbers/
January 27th 2012 @ 7:01pm
Fitzy said | January 27th 2012 @ 7:01pm | Report comment
Interesting reading Wookie
January 28th 2012 @ 11:11am
The_Wookie said | January 28th 2012 @ 11:11am | Report comment
I think the most interesting part for me was that more people play Australian Football in NSW than in the traditional state of South Australia and closing in on the WA guys. Yes I know the per capita difference is huge. Also note the expected discrepancy between Australian Football players in NSW to League players in Victoria.(Note: all figures from the ERASS 2010 report)
■ ACT – 5,80
■ NSW – 87,500
■ NT – 5,400
■ QLD – 52,700
■ SA – 68,600
■ Tas – 17,800
■ Vic – 235,300 (league comparison 11,500 – considered unreliable data)
■ WA – 96,400
January 28th 2012 @ 11:59am
it's called soccer said | January 28th 2012 @ 11:59am | Report comment
That is why the soccer/NRL trolls hate us….they can see AFL coming, & they don’t like it!
January 28th 2012 @ 12:37pm
The_Wookie said | January 28th 2012 @ 12:37pm | Report comment
soccer fans hate us because some of us have a tendency to argue on their threads. Its one thing to go into a thread if they bring up the AFL. Its another to go into a thread just to put the sport down by comparing it to the AFL. Post in moderation folks, make your point and get out.
January 30th 2012 @ 12:35am
Mario said | January 30th 2012 @ 12:35am | Report comment
Good numbers for AFL in NSW and Queensland, AFL have done good in cutting into the NRL market in the eastern states. Expect the numbers to rise as the benefits of the two new teams will start taking effect in the coming years.
January 28th 2012 @ 12:40pm
db swannie said | January 28th 2012 @ 12:40pm | Report comment
The famous “Participation Numbers” Crapola.
How about showing REAL playing numbers,in real competitions.
As has been shown on here the AFL is not shy of telling lies when it comes to numbers in NSW.
January 29th 2012 @ 1:35am
The_Wookie said | January 29th 2012 @ 1:35am | Report comment
thats government ERASS data, not AFL data. Although the new advertising would appear to refer to the ERASS data. How about you get a grip.
January 29th 2012 @ 7:42am
The Cattery said | January 29th 2012 @ 7:42am | Report comment
The ERASS data shows the numbers from a number of perspectives, including casual participation, to club registrations and those who play regularly.
January 30th 2012 @ 12:01pm
MyLeftFoot said | January 30th 2012 @ 12:01pm | Report comment
The ERASS data is based on a survey of between 10K and 20K. Let’s say 15,000. It’s extrapolated out from that, and they attempt to define participation along the lines of regularity, and ‘organised’.
The actual numbers are going to be indicative of trending if you look over several years of ERASS figures, but, need to be taken with a grain of salt with respect to claim actual absolute participation. And, it’s for age 15 and over.
January 30th 2012 @ 10:03pm
MyLeftFoot said | January 30th 2012 @ 10:03pm | Report comment
ERASS data should be taken with a grain of salt.
It’s statistically extrapolated from a national survey of about 15,000 respondants. It’s not raw data – but, over successive years, it probably shows interesting trending.
January 30th 2012 @ 10:20pm
The_Wookie said | January 30th 2012 @ 10:20pm | Report comment
by that token tv ratings should be taken the same way.
January 31st 2012 @ 8:37am
MyLeftFoot said | January 31st 2012 @ 8:37am | Report comment
100% correct.
January 27th 2012 @ 6:22pm
Jaredsbro said | January 27th 2012 @ 6:22pm | Report comment
But it’s all hype/speculation/abstract accounting at this point! So far everyone thinks they’ll do fine…maybe better than the Suns, but that could just be because there’s two million potential fans vs 600,000. You Australians are very optimistic…and it usually pays offf for ya
But it hardly means relative interest in the (a)pathetic sporting market that is Sydney
Btw how many followers does Barca have…or any EPL team of good repute…?
January 27th 2012 @ 6:58pm
Fitzy said | January 27th 2012 @ 6:58pm | Report comment
Who the hell care how man followers Barca has or EPL this is an Aussie Rules threat go comment about HAL or EPL.
January 28th 2012 @ 7:30pm
Jaredsbro said | January 28th 2012 @ 7:30pm | Report comment
I was just playing the old everything’s relative card, no insult intended. Whatever but Sydney’s definitely not the measuring stick is it? Which is why whilst I love the bubblegum appeal of placing dots on a map/chess game ultimately the AFL’s doing the right thing for mostly the right reasons…to grow the game, to give more people a realistic chance of having the choice of either watch more Sydney games live on TV or at the ground.
January 31st 2012 @ 6:49am
Fitzy said | January 31st 2012 @ 6:49am | Report comment
Cant argue with that…..thought you were trolling
January 27th 2012 @ 7:39pm
The Cattery said | January 27th 2012 @ 7:39pm | Report comment
Jaredsbro
you keep mentioning Barca and we’ll have to start calling you Fozz!
January 29th 2012 @ 8:01am
Punter said | January 29th 2012 @ 8:01am | Report comment
Barcelona is a good case to review, I counted at least 4-5 Barcelona shirts in my travels yesterday & even I own a Barcelona shirt.
That’s 12 thousand miles from Barcelona, now that’s great vision.
January 29th 2012 @ 8:40am
Tony said | January 29th 2012 @ 8:40am | Report comment
Of course, none of those people wearing Barca shirts will ever get to see them play. When I was in Barcelona I tried to get a ticket for a game. Cheapest was 250 euros! At least people who wear Collingwood jumpers can buy a ticket very cheaply – or just walk up to the MCG, even tho Collingwood has over 70,000 members. The appeal of AFL is that it is our game & we can see our team (except the GF!). We don’t want it to become a TV reality show.
January 29th 2012 @ 10:25am
Punter said | January 29th 2012 @ 10:25am | Report comment
That’s why I follow the A-league.
Yes it doesn’t get the big crowds like Barcelona or Collingwood, but the atmosphere is still very good.
We definitely don’t have the players of a Barcelona, as a matter of fact we have at times been pretty dire.
But the World game is my game & I can have it both ways the ‘TV reality’ of the champions teams like Barcelona, Man U & also going down to my local SFC & always get a ticket.
Just like the music lover who is unable to see all his favorite artists, but able to view them thru the various media outlets, but able still to sample live music thru the local scene.
But going back to my point, you want vision look at Barcelona.
January 30th 2012 @ 8:47am
Redb said | January 30th 2012 @ 8:47am | Report comment
For the ignorant who think the AFL exists in a bubble.
Barcelona study.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/carter-pushes-for-new-ideals-20110610-1fx89.html
January 30th 2012 @ 12:51pm
warren said | January 30th 2012 @ 12:51pm | Report comment
Interesting stats although without knowing where the following is coming from then it is difficult to conclude whether the GWS has much local support. One thing this does tell me is that the people in the greater western sydney area may not be interested in following any particular team (taking the Penrith numbers) which could be problematic for the AFL and GWS in particular in making this work.
One thing I know is that although this site is to voice an opinion it in this case really does not matter. The success or otherwise of the GWS side will be known in the next 5 years. It’s measure will not simply be of success on the field or even membership numbers but more with how many new kids take up the sport and also the TV ratings for which sponsor crave.
Given the Swans can not out rate 12 year re runs of the Iron Chef on SBS on a Saturday night this could be a real telling blow to them in the future.
Anyway time will tell and I wish them all the best and even if you are not an AFL supporter you must admire the AFL’s forward thinking in this area.
January 30th 2012 @ 6:39pm
Maximus said | January 30th 2012 @ 6:39pm | Report comment
Debbie Spillane – good grief – a league chick from way back – is she still on news radio?? GWS has certainly made progress if she is interested..
January 27th 2012 @ 3:48pm
The Cattery said | January 27th 2012 @ 3:48pm | Report comment
Jonathon Patton on his way home after surgery in Sweden, still looking to debut in May:
http://www.sportsnewsfirst.com.au/articles/2012/01/27/giant-relief-as-patton-undergoes-surgery/
January 27th 2012 @ 5:46pm
Gr8rWeStnr said | January 27th 2012 @ 5:46pm | Report comment
Seems a reasonable summary.
One minor factual error, the Foxtel Cup match where the Northern Bullants beat them by 89 was played at the MCG.
The confusion may come because GWS did play Carlton at Manuka in the NAB Cup, the margin in that match was 157.
I know this because I was at both matches.
January 27th 2012 @ 11:32pm
The_Wookie said | January 27th 2012 @ 11:32pm | Report comment
oh thats absolutely right. Forgot about the NAB Challenge game.
Cheers for the correction.
January 28th 2012 @ 2:21pm
Lachlan said | January 28th 2012 @ 2:21pm | Report comment
didn’t they play Port Adelaide as well?
January 29th 2012 @ 12:54pm
The_Wookie said | January 29th 2012 @ 12:54pm | Report comment
also NAB Challenge. I hadnt really thought about the Challenge when writing or the above error probably wouldnt have been made.