Sticky’s kiss of death for Parramatta halves
By Curtis Woodward, 13 Sep 2012 Curtis Woodward is a Roar Guru & Live Blogger
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If history is anything to go by, Parramatta's halves should be fearing the impending arrival of Ricky Stuart
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Ricky Stuart’s tenure as coach of the Parramatta Eels has officially begun with sessions held this week in Sydney’s golden west. A new era is here for the Eels and their fans.
But if history is anything to go by, Chris Sandow should be shaking in his boots.
The long line of playmakers that have fallen by the wayside under Stuart is scary. Whether it be via an early release, poor off-field behaviour or simply not getting along.
There is something awfully shady about Stuart and his history with halfbacks.
From his time at the Sydney Roosters and the Cronulla Sharks, things never seem to work out for the sixes and sevens.
Things had been prickly for a long time between Stuart and then Cronulla Sharks captain Brett Kimmorley when Ricky joined the Sharkies back in 2007.
Despite having won a premiership with the Melbourne Storm and leading Cronulla to the grand final qualifier in 2008 under Stuart, Kimmorley was shown the door in favour of Trent Barrett.
Stuart tried to explain himself in an article for The Telegraph back in 2009.
“I learnt that Kimmorley was not a big-match player – not the kind who can get you over the line in big games, like Andrew Johns or Darren Lockyer. And I knew that when I later moved to Cronulla,” Stuart said.
“We tried our best to work together, but it didn’t work.”
Remember that these were successful clubs. The Roosters had won a premiership under Ricky in 2002 and the Sharks had placed equal first in 2008.
Yet he was still sacking guys. From Brett Kimmorley to Luke Dorn. It simply doesn’t matter who you are.
What does Stuart deep down really think of Sandow and the Eels than?
Sandow is on a huge contract and was miserable this season for his new club. The guy is missing plenty of things that Ricky requires.
The diminutive halfback has to start from scratch and play for Ricky or risk being booted out the backdoor.
Stephen Kearney tried to change him and failed. How is the new coach going to do it?
Stuart is probably best just punting him altogether and finding someone else.
Even after he has left a club, his fingerprints are there for all to see.
After being sacked from the Sydney Roosters at the end of 2006, bad things continued to happen at Bondi.
Craig Wing quickly turned his back on the club to join rivals South Sydney and Brett Finch asked for a release to join the Eels. Jamie Soward was sacked in 2007 after 22 games too.
Sharks’ halves were not safe even after Stuart had stood down in 2010.
Scott Porter was released from the club in 2011 after 22 games and Albert Kelly has since been given the flick from both the Sharks and the Newcastle Knights.
“I am really looking forward to it [training],” Ben Roberts told The Sunday Telegraph on the weekend.
“It will give us a taste of what life will be like under Ricky and allow us to think about that over the off-season and prepare.
“We didn’t have a great season and we want to do everything we can to turn it around. I honestly think we did pretty well towards the end of the season and we stuck together as a group.
“We want to make amends for the season and we are looking forward to getting stuck into it with Sticky.”
Don’t get too comfortable, Ben. You’re on the chopping block too.
Playmakers under Stuart: Roosters 2002-2006
Paul Green 2002: Injured knee round one and did not return at the Roosters
Justin Holbrook 2002: four games and never seen again
Sam Obst 2002: seven games over two years before leaving for the UK
Craig Wing 2002-2007: Returned to Souths in 2007
Brett Finch 2003-2007: Asked for a release to join Parramatta
Luke Dorn 2004: 1 game before leaving for the UK
Brett Firman 2005: Released after four games to join North Queensland
Jamie Soward 2005-2007: 22 games before being released
Josh Lewis 2006: 12 games before being released
Sharks 2007-2010
Adam Dykes 2007: One year under Stuart before leaving for the UK
Brett Kimmorley 2007-2008: Left for the Bulldogs after plenty of issues with Stuart
Brett Seymour 2007-2009: Sacked after a string of alcohol fuelled incidents
Anthony Watts 2007: Five games before being released for disciplinary reasons
Blake Green 2008-2009: Joined the Bulldogs after only 19 games
Brett Kearney 2008-2009: Suffered injury round one 2009 before leaving for the UK
Trent Barrett 2009-2010: Retired in 2010 despite pleas from the Sharks to play on
Scott Porter 2009-2010: Released in 2011 after 22 games
Albert Kelly 2010: Released from both the Sharks and the Knights
Tim Smith 2010: Axed to NSW Cup shortly after signing
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September 13th 2012 @ 7:37am
steve b said | September 13th 2012 @ 7:37am | Report comment
Stuart will have some influence in who he wants and who he dosen’t,,,, but he wont have total conrtrol at the Eels they made that mistake with Kearney ,so to say he is going on a sacking spree if he dosen’t like the player will not happen without a majority decision from the Parra board ..And if anyone needs a rocket under their arse it’s Sandow and if Sticky can get him going then the rest will follow.. i have read a lot of negative from Journo’s and so called journo’s on the appointment of Ricky to Parra but former players and some current i have talked to say positive things about the guy ,So i guess its a wait and see i think he will be good for the club as due most Parra supporters …..
September 13th 2012 @ 11:41am
Curtis Woodward said | September 13th 2012 @ 11:41am | Report comment
What happens if Sandow doesnt fire again ?
September 13th 2012 @ 1:33pm
steve b said | September 13th 2012 @ 1:33pm | Report comment
As i said if he dosen’t fire it will be a club decision to boot him not just Stuart !!
March 10th 2013 @ 10:39pm
paul said | March 10th 2013 @ 10:39pm | Report comment
I disagree i think if sandow doesnt fire its cause of stuart he will only b able to play stuarts game not his own ,cant believe parra got stuart he is the most unsuccesfulcoach altime his taken clubs from grand final 1 year to wooden spoon the next lookat roosters sharks soo as he left they made the 8 he also lost us the most consecutive origins in history and our first world cup in decades ,bad decision
September 13th 2012 @ 7:52am
hyland shark said | September 13th 2012 @ 7:52am | Report comment
this story smells of phil gould
September 13th 2012 @ 10:27am
Curtis Woodward said | September 13th 2012 @ 10:27am | Report comment
I dont smell anything like Gus ha
September 13th 2012 @ 11:59am
hyland shark said | September 13th 2012 @ 11:59am | Report comment
il take your word for it Curtis and i cant see sandow lasting to mid 2012 either ,unless he turns him into a dummy half
September 13th 2012 @ 12:03pm
Curtis Woodward said | September 13th 2012 @ 12:03pm | Report comment
Reaching there pal. Any coach who puts Sandow at hooker should be executed.
September 13th 2012 @ 6:04pm
JZ said | September 13th 2012 @ 6:04pm | Report comment
another Preston Campbell i feel
September 13th 2012 @ 8:20am
B.A Sports said | September 13th 2012 @ 8:20am | Report comment
There are people out there who say Stuart isn’t a good coach, but looking at your list it explains more the reasons why Stuart hasn’t had alot of premiership success more than it does Stuart’s inability to coach a half. Alot of ordinary players and over-hyped juniors on that list.
September 13th 2012 @ 9:26am
all7days said | September 13th 2012 @ 9:26am | Report comment
Those same people may also point to his world cup loss and his origin losses
September 13th 2012 @ 11:47am
Curtis Woodward said | September 13th 2012 @ 11:47am | Report comment
And the fact he was fired from the Roosters and quit the Sharks
September 13th 2012 @ 11:58am
JZ said | September 13th 2012 @ 11:58am | Report comment
Bingo !
September 13th 2012 @ 2:43pm
beyond the stump said | September 13th 2012 @ 2:43pm | Report comment
And it was only after Stuart touched the NSW team that they went on their longest losing streak!!!
March 10th 2013 @ 10:43pm
paul said | March 10th 2013 @ 10:43pm | Report comment
Stuarts a bad coach come on wooden spoon cronulla next year made the 8 wooden spoon roosters, then most consecutive origin loses then losing our first world cup in decades ,not coincidence
September 13th 2012 @ 8:20am
Andy said | September 13th 2012 @ 8:20am | Report comment
Sandow along with the whole Parramatta squad will be shaking in their boots. At the moment they have an ingrained losing culture at the club. If i was the coach coming in i would have a clean out, get rid of all the old players and under-performing ones too. Then i would look to the western Sydney and QLD junior Systems as well as import the best players from England.
September 13th 2012 @ 11:56am
JZ said | September 13th 2012 @ 11:56am | Report comment
Ricky is the losing culture, he said the same thing about john langs coaching at the sharks at the start of the same year Penrith won the GF,
September 13th 2012 @ 11:57am
Curtis Woodward said | September 13th 2012 @ 11:57am | Report comment
He should bag out Laurie Daley than
September 13th 2012 @ 12:01pm
JZ said | September 13th 2012 @ 12:01pm | Report comment
whys that ?
September 13th 2012 @ 12:03pm
Curtis Woodward said | September 13th 2012 @ 12:03pm | Report comment
Blues might win an Origin series
September 13th 2012 @ 12:14pm
JZ said | September 13th 2012 @ 12:14pm | Report comment
Hahaha good call
September 13th 2012 @ 11:03am
marayong tiger said | September 13th 2012 @ 11:03am | Report comment
Parra,s like the Tigers – No halfback No fullback. Will not go anywhere until these spots are filled with QUALITY PLAYERS
September 13th 2012 @ 11:37am
Curtis Woodward said | September 13th 2012 @ 11:37am | Report comment
Agreed. Moltzen and Marshall are passengers these days at WT.
September 13th 2012 @ 3:03pm
LRR said | September 13th 2012 @ 3:03pm | Report comment
A lot of teams would be quite happy with a Hayne/Sandow combination.
If Parra isn’t they should look at moving them on because these is a third of their cap!
September 13th 2012 @ 6:40pm
Damn Straight said | September 13th 2012 @ 6:40pm | Report comment
Hayne not a quality fullback? That’s ridiculous. Moltzen isn’t fit to wipe Haynes ***hole, so that comparison is a moot point. Now in saying that, the work ethic of Hayne really sucks. But if he snapped out of that gen-y work ethic and worked as hard as Benny Barba has this year, he would be on par with Barba. No one can argue that Hayne is not one of the most talented, naturally gifted players in the NRL(check his CVG rankings when he is fit and not playing 5/8), in my opinion and the opinion of plenty of other experts and their analysis(not saying I am an expert by the way).
Keep in mind the dragons had the best defence in the NRL that year in the regular season.
September 13th 2012 @ 6:51pm
Damn Straight said | September 13th 2012 @ 6:51pm | Report comment
That’s just one example of his freakish talent…whilst he hasn’t been able to consistently reproduce that in the last few seasons, I think that is more of a reflection on how lazy the guy is…not his talent. I’m hoping Ricky can get something out of the guy that Steve Kearney couldn’t. Jarryd needs a mentor who isn’t afraid to administer some ‘tough love’ and drop him down to NSW Cup when he isn’t working hard and when he is just a passenger coasting off his former glories. I know he’s still got it in him, he just needs a tough, but fair mentor.
So many Hayne haters out there crap on about how sh*te he is, but Australians are known for enjoying the chopping down of tall poppies.
September 13th 2012 @ 7:47pm
Andy said | September 13th 2012 @ 7:47pm | Report comment
If Hayne was working under Hasler he could be a star, instead he will continue to have mediocre defense.
September 13th 2012 @ 11:04am
cos789 said | September 13th 2012 @ 11:04am | Report comment
He will somehow find a way to fill every position in the squad with second rowers.
Its his go.
September 13th 2012 @ 11:38am
Curtis Woodward said | September 13th 2012 @ 11:38am | Report comment
Its been shown at the Dragons you cant have a morbid attack in the NRL anymore and still expect to win games of footy. They need creativity, not second rowers.
September 13th 2012 @ 11:50am
JZ said | September 13th 2012 @ 11:50am | Report comment
Ricky is the most over rated coach in the modern game, what has he done, yes he won a Grand final with the roosters but he inherited that team from Graham Murray who did all the hard yards and had them in the grand final the year of his demise. What happened to him when the roosters where on a down hill spiral ? he jumped ship because he had no answers , then at the sharks he went crap again. Ricky hasn’t won a Origin series against Qld, this guy cant coach un less he has the team given to him on a platter.
every one can say i dont know what im talking about but the proof is his history read it and weep, sorry ells another sad finish for 2013
September 13th 2012 @ 11:56am
Curtis Woodward said | September 13th 2012 @ 11:56am | Report comment
I would still have him as my Origin coach though
September 13th 2012 @ 12:03pm
JZ said | September 13th 2012 @ 12:03pm | Report comment
why when you could get Bellamy
September 13th 2012 @ 12:04pm
Curtis Woodward said | September 13th 2012 @ 12:04pm | Report comment
Had Bellamy.
September 13th 2012 @ 12:12pm
George said | September 13th 2012 @ 12:12pm | Report comment
Had Stuart.
September 13th 2012 @ 12:14pm
Curtis Woodward said | September 13th 2012 @ 12:14pm | Report comment
Im just saying I would have given him another crack. Especially when the other options were Daley and Fittler.
September 13th 2012 @ 12:15pm
JZ said | September 13th 2012 @ 12:15pm | Report comment
i can see daily doing some thing Stuart couldnt
September 13th 2012 @ 12:22pm
Curtis Woodward said | September 13th 2012 @ 12:22pm | Report comment
As long as Daley brings them together and reminds them of the history of it all etc I dont care.
September 13th 2012 @ 7:13pm
Damn Straight said | September 13th 2012 @ 7:13pm | Report comment
You could argue that Stuart has won more premierships than Bellamy though.
September 14th 2012 @ 9:18am
JZ said | September 14th 2012 @ 9:18am | Report comment
joke ! they may have gone over the salary cap, but those players still where the best team one the day
September 14th 2012 @ 12:21pm
Damn Straight said | September 14th 2012 @ 12:21pm | Report comment
Haha, that is true JZ.. I couldn’t resist that one
September 13th 2012 @ 2:48pm
beyond the stump said | September 13th 2012 @ 2:48pm | Report comment
Spot on JZ!!! Every team Sticky touches goes on a downward spiral. On the plus side, the Eels can’t get any lower can they?
September 13th 2012 @ 3:55pm
David said | September 13th 2012 @ 3:55pm | Report comment
“Ricky hasn’t won a Origin series against Qld”
He won in 2005.
September 13th 2012 @ 11:51am
Old Hand said | September 13th 2012 @ 11:51am | Report comment
A leopard doesn’t change its spots – what odds Stuart finishing his contract?
September 13th 2012 @ 11:55am
Curtis Woodward said | September 13th 2012 @ 11:55am | Report comment
I’ll give you $1.20
September 13th 2012 @ 12:00pm
JZ said | September 13th 2012 @ 12:00pm | Report comment
is that in the first year or round
September 13th 2012 @ 12:05pm
Curtis Woodward said | September 13th 2012 @ 12:05pm | Report comment
Year lol.
September 13th 2012 @ 12:06pm
George said | September 13th 2012 @ 12:06pm | Report comment
He is too intense. He may of won a premiership at the Roosters but that was Gould’s side.
Stuart was a quality half, world class with natural skill and ability but since he has moved to management he seems to have put a exceptation on players and how he wants them to perform and instead of trying to coach them he flicked them when they dont perform to his liking.
You just have to look at a quality coach like Hasler to see that you can coach players to adapt to the style of play that you want. Reynolds is a naturally talented player but he was a number 9 up until this season, Keating prior to this season was a squaddie at best and although he will never be a top choice half, his game has risen to a good level that all clubs would love..
And with that you see the difference between a coach and a bloke who puts 13 players out on the field.
Im putting money on Parra for the spoon again next season.
September 13th 2012 @ 12:11pm
Curtis Woodward said | September 13th 2012 @ 12:11pm | Report comment
George, I thought a squaddie was a soldier???
September 13th 2012 @ 12:25pm
George said | September 13th 2012 @ 12:25pm | Report comment
Yes they are but they still need guidance and mentoring.
Coaches like Hasler tell the soldier what to do and when its needed and offer feedback for improvement.
Coaches like Stuart say, “you’ve done your training prior to this. go and get em headless chook, then belittle them when it hasnt worked out for them…. and him..