Swans must conquer Collingwood hoodoo
By Rich_daddy, 18 Sep 2012 Rich_daddy is a Roar Pro
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Friday’s preliminary final between Sydney and Collingwood promises to be an enthralling contest.
In the usual build up to a big match, media commentators and armchair critics alike will be scouring over statistics and previous encounters to hopefully give some insight into who will prevail.
It would not take them along to discover a glaring statistic; that Collingwood have won the past 11 matches against Sydney, including the last seven at ANZ Stadium. The last time Sydney defeated Collingwood was way back in 2005. Perhaps this is an omen as 2005 was the year the Swans won their first flag in 72 years.
It seems extraordinary that with the success Sydney has enjoyed over the past seven years, one team has had such a hold over them. Indeed, in the majority of these matches, the Swans have not even been close to the Pies at the final siren.
There does not appear to be any obvious reason why Sydney have struggled so badly against Collingwood. Perhaps it has been Sydney’s inability to contain Collingwood’s pace and their key forwards. But the Swans have triumphed recently against Geelong and Hawthorn, sides which also possess formidable midfields and forwards.
Whatever the reason, the Swans will have to figure it out if they are to make it through to the grand final. A piece of history that is on Sydney’s side is the fact that since 2000, 21 out of the 24 preliminary finals have been won by sides that have had the week off.
A small caveat in that statistic is Sydney was one of those teams who did fail to reach the grand final, losing to Brisbane at home in 2003.
Of course history doesn’t dictate future results and if Sydney are to triumph, here are the things they have to do:
1. Get the defensive match-ups right.
In my opinion, Sydney got their defensive match-ups wrong when they played Collingwood back in Round 21. The Pies, to their credit, isolated Tarrant, Dawes and Cloke, which put pressure on the defence.
Despite not having much impact on the match, Cloke still managed three goals and it was obvious in one-on-one contests that he had Heath Grundy’s measure. This time Ted Richards or Lewis Robertson Thomson need to take him, and get Alex Johnson and Grundy to peel off and help out. Thomson was excellent against Adelaide and John Longmire would have to seriously consider keeping him down there.
2. Make Collingwood’s defence accountable.
Sydney badly missed Sam Reid in Round 21 and their forward line lacked structure, particularly in the last quarter when they were surging forward which multiple entries in the forward 50.
Reid’s presence will be vital and Mitch Morton finding form with two goals against the Crows is particularly timely. These factors will take the pressure off Adam Goodes, who is not a natural forward and had a shocker against Collingwood last time.
However, Goodes showed against the Crows what he can do when he able to get more free reign and the Pies will certainly be wary of him.
3. Contain the midfield.
Easier said than done, but Collingwood got on top in the clearances in Round 21, particularly in the centre. Sydney had a 17-point lead midway through the third quarter but bled goals when the Pies got on top.
The Pies have a star studded midfield, so the initial hard tag should go to Dayne Beams who was best afield in Round 21. The Pies have superior outside runners, so Sydney will be looking to keep the ball in tight like they did against Adelaide.
So what’s the verdict?
Collingwood will be confident that can keep the streak going, but the Swans will also be confident having knocked off their other recent bogey side in Adelaide two weeks ago.
Collingwood are coming off a six-day break, Sydney 13. Sydney are probably traveling a little better on the injury front with Ben McGlynn their only injury concern, while the Pies have Nick Maxwell out suspended and Chris Dawes and Alan Didak in doubt.
The Swans have every advantage available in having a week off and home ground support.
In a tight contest, those factors could be the difference
Tip: Sydney by six points.
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September 18th 2012 @ 9:03am
Strummer Jones said | September 18th 2012 @ 9:03am | Report comment
Good article. The 21:24 rest factor ratio is definitely bigger than Collingwood beating Sydney the last 11 times. The benefits gained from ‘Resting’ a team before the prelim will not change whereas teams do (i.e Collingwood are highly unlikely to keep winning as the team changes), if this makes sense.
At the moment I believe Collingwood are not the same team they were last year or in 2010 whilst the Swans have certainly had a few players step-up. Sydney were very close last game and this was somewhat due to some very bad kicking on their part.
Swans by 36+ for mine.
September 18th 2012 @ 11:06am
John D said | September 18th 2012 @ 11:06am | Report comment
Please let it be so!!!
September 18th 2012 @ 11:18am
Nathan of Perth said | September 18th 2012 @ 11:18am | Report comment
Will definitely be cheering for Sydney
September 18th 2012 @ 4:10pm
Vic said | September 18th 2012 @ 4:10pm | Report comment
Should be an attendance record at Homebush also. What did the NRL SoO get this year? Might even push that.
September 19th 2012 @ 9:03am
Professor Wagstaff said | September 19th 2012 @ 9:03am | Report comment
Don’t think they’ll beat the attendance record. The ticket prices are way too high for the fringe supporters, especially when it will be screened live to free TV. Weather is looking good at 25 which helps, though I’ll predict 65,000. NRL should beat this by 5000, simply because of delayed telecast and tickets being half the price to AFL.
September 18th 2012 @ 6:09pm
Stan said | September 18th 2012 @ 6:09pm | Report comment
People just don’t wish to see the facts, The PIES have had more injuries to very good players than most team this year and here we are playing the SWANS for a GF birth. 1. Beams, Swun and Pendelbery injury free 2. Tackle count and pressure back 3. Jolly in form (best ruckman left by a mile) 4. Krak back 5. Cloke back in form 5. games into Tarrant Johno and Didak 6 Goldsack as defensive forward kicking goals 7 Back line firing 8 maxwell back for GF 9 Thomas back to game breaking best 10 They have played in many finals and GFs and we know what it takes….
September 19th 2012 @ 9:00am
Professor Wagstaff said | September 19th 2012 @ 9:00am | Report comment
Don’t see the facts? The fact is Pendlebury isnt playing and this article is about the Swans game. Its not about the GF.
Not sure if Jolly is a mile better ruckman than Mummy, but I’ll give a few centimetres. Not sure Cloke really is back in form and not sure Thomas is really back to game breaking best based on one game. I don’t think anyone is writing off Collingwood, rather saying they are not the team they were in recent years.
September 20th 2012 @ 4:28pm
dan said | September 20th 2012 @ 4:28pm | Report comment
Pendles is playing….
September 19th 2012 @ 5:22pm
Nathan of Perth said | September 19th 2012 @ 5:22pm | Report comment
Cloke played well against Hooker of Essendon and Schoenmakers of Hawthorn and then went goalless against Mackenzie.
Not really what I’d call actual form…
September 18th 2012 @ 7:11pm
Josh said | September 18th 2012 @ 7:11pm | Report comment
Collingwood are nowhere near the superpower they once were i personally think they are lucky to even make the prelim against sydney. They were flogged by hawthorn in the first week of the finals only just got over west coast. And with Didak and Dawes injured i can’t see them continuing their winning form against the swans. Plus Sydney have had 13 days too rest which will be telling
Tip: Sydney by 30
September 19th 2012 @ 4:54pm
TW said | September 19th 2012 @ 4:54pm | Report comment
Lets talk TV ratings –
According to yesterdays Australian paper the Eagles v Magpies game pulled some huge ratings -
It was the most watched AFL game ever on pay TV, with 422,000 viewers and after 2 weeks of finals 1.6 million more viewers overall have tuned into the finals compared with last years 2 weeks figures. That is a lot of people and is attributed to the 4 state involvement.
An AFL spokesman said last week if the Magpies made it to play Sydney the Pay TV ratings on a Friday night live to all states would be huge – Will be interesting to see if 422,000 is bettered and how many Sydney viewers tune in. If they get on board in reasonable numbers that figure should be beaten.
If it is exceeded the AFL Executive/Commission will be delighted and I suspect the Foxtel bosses will be as well.
He also said if Eagles made it to Sydney a probable crowd of about 50,000 and if the Magpies got through maybe 70,000, and large numbers of fans from Melb will travel if Collingwood involved boosting Sydneys hospitality industry with millions of dollars spending.
September 19th 2012 @ 5:15pm
clipper said | September 19th 2012 @ 5:15pm | Report comment
TW – 70k is optomistic. If the game had been on Saturday, perhaps, but Friday makes it harder for interstate fans and may discourage people making the trek out to homebush with peak hour traffic etc.
September 19th 2012 @ 5:29pm
Brewski said | September 19th 2012 @ 5:29pm | Report comment
With the ridiculous ticket prices, i think 50,000 will be very good.
I think if the ticket prices were around what the NRL were charging, then a sellout, or close to it.
I think as Adelaide’s 31,000 crowd last week shows, platinum and gold tickets are to much.
September 19th 2012 @ 6:19pm
Breezy said | September 19th 2012 @ 6:19pm | Report comment
Can’t understand the pricing. They are trying to promote the game up there, so what better way than a full house or near to it.
September 19th 2012 @ 6:31pm
TC said | September 19th 2012 @ 6:31pm | Report comment
Agree with all of the above. Crazy ticket prices.
TC
September 19th 2012 @ 6:47pm
Brewski said | September 19th 2012 @ 6:47pm | Report comment
Well apparently they have (just recently) sold 54,000 to the AFL game, 50,000 to the RL game, so maybe the prices aren’t deterring as many people as i would have thought.
This was announced on 2UE and the announcer was pleading with RL fans to buy tickets to beat the AFL. — Johnny Gibbs.
Interesting how insular a so-called world city can be.
September 19th 2012 @ 7:17pm
Breezy said | September 19th 2012 @ 7:17pm | Report comment
They are an insecure lot up there, yet a station like SEN in Melbourne gives Rugby League a fair go. They treat the Rugby League guests with respect. Good interview with Brisbane Bronco Petero Civoniceva yesterday.
September 19th 2012 @ 10:33pm
yewonk said | September 19th 2012 @ 10:33pm | Report comment
same in sydney tom harley is on two of the radio gigs. i have never been to a afl game and would of gone but i just cant afford it and too with many others in saying that sixty thousand at that price i dont think its great for afl
September 19th 2012 @ 10:52pm
yewonk said | September 19th 2012 @ 10:52pm | Report comment
sorry i do think its great.