England vs All Blacks: 2012 European Tour live scores
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England's Topsy Ojo makes a break against the New Zealand All Blacks. AP Photo/NZPA, Tim Hales
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England Vs. New Zealand |
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2012 New Zealand Tour of Europe, 2 December, 2012 |
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| Twickenham, London | ||
| England 38 defeated New Zealand 21 | ||
| England | New Zealand | |
| 38 | FINAL SCORE | 21 |
| 3 | TRIES | 3 |
| 1/3 | CONVERSION KICKS | 3/3 |
| 6/6 | PENALTY GOALS | 0/2 |
| 0/0 | DROP GOAL | 0/0 |
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Important moments:
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| Referee: G Clancy |
| Touch judges: N Owens & L vd Merwe |
The All Blacks have arrived on England’s pebbly shores geared to take on the Red Rose in the heart of rugby union, Twickenham. Join us on The Roar for scores, comments and live updates from 1.30am AEDT.
The scene is set for the All Blacks to finish their year unbeaten as they attempt to score their 100th try against the inventers of the game, and they will be looking to cap their stellar season off in style with a massive win and an impressive display.
Throughout the year their performance has ebbed; sometimes dazzling, sometimes not. Yet despite the ups and downs they’ve generally unloaded misery on their opponents.
Aside from the 22-19 win over Ireland in Christchurch and the 18-all draw against the Wallabies, the All Blacks have not really been troubled, with an average tally of 34 points and four tries per game.
Going into this game – and since their first encounter in 1905, which England lost 15-0 – the average historical score between these two great nations is 24-12 to the All Blacks, shortening to 19-12 at Twickenham.
The English will have earmarked this game as the big one for their European test window, in front of a packed house they will be looking to prove themselves against one of the best performing teams in sporting history.
For the New Zealanders this is an important game; unbeaten records aside there is a common desire by southern nations to shine on the world’s biggest stage, Twickenham.
Dan Carter is revered up here, but the infamously caustic English press is only one average game away from dismantling a man’s sheen.
So this is the final rumble before the All Black’s season wraps up and McCaw takes a six-month sabbatical into the centre of the earth, from whence he is not expected to return calls.
Of course in preparation for this blockbusting game the locals will not be studying the statistics as its ugly reading.
IRB 2012 World Player of the Year nominees Dan Carter and Richie McCaw have never lost to England.
While this is not an uncommon thread; McCaw has only lost eight games while leading the All Blacks, what sings as ominous as a kookaburra on a humid day is the fact that Conrad Smith is also starting.
This unsung hero will be hoping to improve on his win percentage, which at an absurd 90% is the greatest win percentage in the history of union.
Of course it’s not all tickles and giggles in the AB’s camp; there’s been a fair amount of mud being slung over Andrew Hore’s neuron-fireworks during last week’s game against Wales, during which he sent Bradley Davies to sleep hours before the man’s bedtime.
In the fallout from the punch and subsequent five match ban, Steve Hansen has no doubt spent the week being coached by the All Blacks’ PR department, as the management’s defensive patterns focused on their image rather than the English midfield.
Hansen’s initial reaction was defensive when asked after the game about the imminent backlash from Hore’s punch.
“I’m resigned to the fact he is probably going to get cited, it happens every time we come up here. I think they think we’re thugs or something, but we don’t play any differently to anyone else,” Hansen said.
Fast-forward a few days and Hansen performed a fairly neat turnpike by remarking:
“You don’t want to see that in the game. Andrew was embarrassed, we were embarrassed.
“Our group has a zero-tolerance approach to foul play; we’re not a dirty side.”
Adding to the off-field drama, all but two players from the squad have been battling a stomach virus this week, although none will miss the game as a result.
Hansen and his staff are fielding what’s likely to be regarded his full-strength team, with the exception perhaps of Brodie Retallick in place of Luke Romano in the second row, and Keven Mealamu replacing Hore at hooker as the latter takes a month’s holiday to reflect on his actions.
The capricious Israel Dagg is at fullback, Carter returns to fly half, and first choice wingers Julian Savea and Cory Jane are flanking the back line.
Kieran Read takes his place in the starting line-up, probably wondering what he has to do to be nominated for World Player of the Year. He’s partnered by Richie McCaw and Liam Messam at the back of the scrum.
In the hosts’ camp, the English are buzzing about hoping to create some form of history for their side.
After a pair of tight losses to South Africa and Australia, last year’s Six Nations runners-up will be keen to make their countrymen proud.
English halfback Ben Youngs was quoted on the atmosphere in the squad, “What a huge opportunity to play the world champions at home. That is how we see it. There is no fear; there is no going into our shells.
“I have no doubt that we have a big performance in us. There have been glimpses of it and if we get it right for 80 minutes we can be a test for any team.”
The English starting team includes winger Chris Ashton, powerhouse centre Manu Tuilagi, halfback Ben Youngs, and Chris Robshaw who captains at openside flanker.
Dan Cole is partnered by Alex Corbisiero in the front row in what will be an interesting contest in the scrums.
The most notable selection for the English is IRB 2012 World Player of the Year nominee, Owen Farrell, who takes reigns at fly half in the space of injured Toby Flood.
His recent nomination as one of the four best players in the world has ruffled a few feathers; he’s not only second choice to Toby Flood in the national side, he’s second choice to Charlie Hodgson at club Saracens.
“They’re a world-class team unbeaten in 20 matches but that’s a challenge you have to look forward to. There’s no point being scared of it. Anything can happen on the day,” Farrell said of the upcoming test.
Of course it will be interesting to see the England fly-half and coach’s son launch against the best fly-half going around.
Carter has a habit of bringing out his best against a young upstart, and no doubt Farrell will be called out.
Watch this space.
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Game Information
TeamsEngland
1.Alex Corbisiero, 2.Tom Youngs, 3.Dan Cole, 4.Joe Launchbury, 5.Geoff Parling, 6.Tom Wood, 7.Chris Robshaw, 8.Ben Morgan, 9.Ben Youngs, 10.Owen Farrell, 11.Mike Brown, 12.Brad Barritt, 13.Manu Tuilagi, 14.Chris Ashton, 15.Alex Goode.
Reserves
16.David Paice, 17.David Wilson, 18.Mako Vunipola, 19.Courtney Lawes, 20.James Haskell, 21.Danny Care, 22.Freddie Burns, 23.Jonathan Joseph.
New Zealand
1.Tony Woodcock, 2.Keven Mealamu, 3.Owen Franks, 4.Brodie Retallick, 5.Samuel Whitelock, 6.Liam Messam, 7.Richie McCaw (captain), 8.Kieran Read, 9.Aaron Smith, 10.Dan Carter, 11.Julian Savea, 12.Ma'a Nonu, 13.Conrad Smith, 14.Cory Jane, 15.Israel Dagg.
Reserves
16.Dane Coles, 17.Wyatt Crockett, 18.Charlie Faumuina, 19.Luke Romano, 20.Victor Vito, 21.Piri Weepu, 22.Aaron Cruden, 23.Ben Smith.
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7:54am
Team Taniwha said | 7:54am | Report comment
An abject performance from the ABs, and like few have commented that defense was worryingly bad. They conceded 9 tries I tally on tour, their standards really have fallen off. That is not something that can dismissed as tiredness or sickness, something that needs to be looked at hard and long!
I found it hard to believe Tulangi was not man of the match. He was immense.
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7:38am
Mal said | 7:38am | Report comment
Well done to England we finally had a team worthy of beating us and yes we expect to win all the games but hey we are human and have been the worlds yard stick for rugby for many years and more to come.
As for the Island stealing talent from the Abs mate slap your self and wake up generations of island players have only evolved over the years due to exposure to such high level and intensity levels of first class rugby something was eventually rub of eh.
If you are not happy with that we should send all your so called talent back to the island eh.
6:54am
Jiggles said | 6:54am | Report comment
Congrats to Ben S and Colin N. Famous win! enjoy it!
10:53am
Colin N said | 10:53am | Report comment
Cheers. Still in shock to be honest!
There’s plenty to work and build on, though, but at least it shows we have the pack to dominate the best, even if a performance like this doesn’t appear for another couple of years!
5:39am
Ben.S said | 5:39am | Report comment
Cheers, mate. What a game.
4:19am
Southlandaye said | 4:19am | Report comment
Damn mate, that is a long list of excuses, send it to Santa… lol. Nothing better than a Christmas humbling, aye bro.
4:16am
Southlandaye said | 4:16am | Report comment
Unfortunately you guys played England and not France.
4:15am
Louis said | 4:15am | Report comment
scoreboard mate haha. The Blackness got spanked.
4:13am
ohtani's jacket said | 4:13am | Report comment
I said this was the worst loss since South Africa in 2004 but I forgot the two losses in South Africa in 2009. Sorry Boks fans.
4:08am
Southlandaye said | 4:08am | Report comment
Haven’t seen that look in Carter’s eyes since Freddie Michalak had his way with the All Blacks in 07 world cup lol. Sort of on the verge of tears, completely devastated. Funny.
4:15am
Trev said | 4:15am | Report comment
Go and celebrate by having a warm beer and complaining about the weather
4:17am
Southlandaye said | 4:17am | Report comment
Oh nah bro, I’m not English aye, read my name. I’m Tongan but I dislike the All Blacks because they steal the islands talent. So… find another way to insult me? Oh yeah and I’m not on the dole either, I work harder than most with 16 hours shifts sometimes, so don’t cry about it.
4:22am
stillmatic1 said | 4:22am | Report comment
got any proof of that “stealing”. do you live in tonga?
4:24am
Southlandaye said | 4:24am | Report comment
Say hi to Kevin Mealamu for me. *smiles while fanning a fart into your face*
5:24am
stillmatic1 said | 5:24am | Report comment
you mean the same mealamu born in nz or some figment of your imagination?
4:24am
Trev said | 4:24am | Report comment
And tuialigi of course hasn’t been stolen from the islands has he. He popped over to the uk for the weather, food and the great attitude the locals have towards immigrants.
5:50am
Hood83 said | 5:50am | Report comment
Err, our record on immigration is one to be damn proud of. Weather and food? If you’re scared of rain, fine, not for you. But i didn’t know you guys were swimming in Michelin stars.
You’re the best team in the world by a country mile. But I thought we were meant to be the whingers!
6:35am
Dick Dastardly said | 6:35am | Report comment
Trev. Shut the up son. You’re making yourself look more and more stupid the more you write.
4:27am
Trev said | 4:27am | Report comment
And of course the poms have an amazing history of treating the indigenous people’s of the pacific so well
6:14am
Football United said | 6:14am | Report comment
He wouldn’t need to, he can already taste the bitter in your posts.
4:07am
Frank O'Keeffe said | 4:07am | Report comment
The one time I don’t have AustStar, so I can only watch the Wallabies on channel 10, and New Zealand get spanked! The Wallabies produce one of the worst Tests of the year, and I miss England winning what’s like only their 7th or so win against New Zealand.
I know quite a few people who’d be happy with this win.
I’m glad. They’re a very good side, but really the allround quality of rugby has been poor this year from all countries.
4:08am
Frank O'Keeffe said | 4:08am | Report comment
By the way, when I saw this thread and I saw 38-21, I thought NZ were 38, and I couldn’t figure out why there wasn’t mentioned about their try scorers.
4:05am
Thegreyghost said | 4:05am | Report comment
Yep. Clancy howler after howler. Very quick to ping the NZ scrum, and bails England out time and time again whilst their scrum is being smashed. Allowing England waaaay off side in defence and to enter the ruck at any angle, writhe in the ground off their feet and play the ball in the ground. Appalling stuff. A new world record for a homer referee. By then Clancy is notorious for it.
At the nd of the day 3 tried each… But suspiciously Clancy doesn’t ask the tmo on the last try, asks the tmo for a reason not to award the abs first, an yet doesn’t check the apparently held up England 3rd.
A phenomenal number of penalties awarded to England who were apparently faultless at the ruck for 75 minutes…reminds me of clancey’s handling of that springbok NZ game. Perhaps he has an agenda?
5:45am
Hood83 said | 5:45am | Report comment
Pretty comprehensive victory eh GreyGhost. Hope you enjoyed the match mate. No need for sour grapes eh?
Good on everyone else who have demonstrated grace in losing. I suppose we can go back to being battered by you for the next decade now, as usual.
5:49am
Neuen said | 5:49am | Report comment
You have a series of “experiments”, also known as the tackle situation where the outcome of each must be known too. The entire match is an observed experiment, and unwittingly, people mix emotion with interpretation and they will come up with accusations of bias because their observation will always fit their model. This is the danger of looking for proof of what you already believe, because you will always succeed at finding it
4:03am
Johnno said | 4:03am | Report comment
Richard Kahui will be a big addition next year. He is such a class player the AB’S have missed him this year. He will slot into centres next year at O/C and really clean it up or even test him at no 12 he has played there a lot. A bug man 6’3 like SBW, such quality player.One of Henry’s favourites . What really struck me was Steve Hanson when pushed under the pumped didn’t have a lot of answers tonight . This loss will real sting Hansen’s confidence, this is a big loss for the AB’S, in a big venue, where the World cup final will be held in 2015, the AB’S will have to re-job there team a little next year. Mccaw now gets a 6 month sabbatical to rest up.
4:19am
kingplaymaker said | 4:19am | Report comment
Johnno if the All Blakcs stick with players no good in attack anymore and ignore young talent like Fruean, Ranger, Taylor who could have shredded England, they’re bound to lose more and more.
4:24am
stillmatic1 said | 4:24am | Report comment
like the 20 matches in a row they didnt lose hey KPM………………………
4:34am
kingplaymaker said | 4:34am | Report comment
Stillmatic I not having a go at the All Blacks, I’m just saying the time for a changing of the guard in some positions has come.
4:54am
stillmatic1 said | 4:54am | Report comment
based on what evidence? one match? so why is deans still coaching? or lancaster? or why are most teams not filled with new ideas and talent because they have lost test matches this year?
fact is, this was your tired line after every loss and has been shown to be spurious and trolling. unless of course you forget the threads that you filled with the same drivel for months on end? hardly insightful criticism, KPM?
if these players perform poorly over a period of matches then it will be time to go. but based on their performances this year over many games, this cannot be said. you can keep freun and ranger, but i like the look of taylor. pity the team doesnt need him when dagg is in the team.
7:00am
ritchie62 said | 7:00am | Report comment
KPM – Change for the sake of change is a waste of time. Hansen has already dismissed Fruen as an option at OC because of his heart surgery and an on going issue with his heart. Apparently his recovery rate is a little slow & that is way you also see him go missing at certain stages for the Saders. Ranger runs to hot & cold he has disciplinary issues on & off the field & tends to be injury prone. Taylor – is that Andre or Tom? either way S15 form isn’t always a good indicator.
4:01am
Trev said | 4:01am | Report comment
On the bright side it’ll take a lot off pommie minds of the economy for 10 minutes
3:58am
Thegreyghost said | 3:58am | Report comment
England won the breakdown and shut off NZs supply of ball. My feeling is that in contrast to barnes handling of the Wales v Australia game that Clancy allowed England to compete whilst blatantly off their feet : the ruck monkey, a lot of bridging in there. Aaron smith spent most of the game conplaining about it. On 78 minutes Clancy penalised it for the first time. Cue the return of the familiar all black pace.
England will be lucky to see anothe game called that way, but fair due thy capitalised on it and exposed NZs ragge defence in places.
Looked like too many of the team were suffering the after effect of norovirus. Too much apathy, lack of coordination and lack of energy.
On the up side, new Zealand are not peaking between world cups, an a lot will be learned from this, first time NZ have been punished for the slow start and lack of narrow ruck defence.
4:07am
Neuen said | 4:07am | Report comment
Aaron Smith always complain about it. England did not break the laws NZ’s tactics of competing the ruck with 1 or 2 guys did not work so well like it used to.
3:57am
Neuen said | 3:57am | Report comment
England backline got quick ball and look what happened
3:57am
Trev said | 3:57am | Report comment
Southlangay enjoy you hollow victory against a team full of sickies. Suddenly everyone reckons all the abs are past it and the English players are all rock stars. I don’t think so
3:58am
Neuen said | 3:58am | Report comment
Graham Henry is that you?
4:03am
Southlandaye said | 4:03am | Report comment
Who is saying the Abs are past it? England aren’t rock stars… I mean… one of the centers that split you open is a Durban born, South African reject that was deemed not good enough. lol.
I’d say England are a team with few injuries though, something the All Blacks haven’t faced (Boks and Wallabies this year with about 10 starting players out.) How many players are missing from this Ab team? Not many, if any. Unless you want to go ahead and count the hero they call Hore with his courage to attack a man from behind.
4:06am
stillmatic1 said | 4:06am | Report comment
how did those teams go again with the full compliment of players? i think you have got your wires crossed a bit.
3:56am
stillmatic1 said | 3:56am | Report comment
wow glad that is over. time to get home, let the english have their one win in a decade against us, and move on. means little in the scheme of things. a big loss, but would hate to have the boks or oz stop our unbeaten run next year.
england showed what a team can play like if they go hard for 80minutes. problem is that it doesnt happen often enough.
clancy was frankly terrible, but nice of him to try and even the ledger with 5 minutes to go!!
when abs sorted themselves out with ball in hand and protecting the breakdown they scored some nice tries, whereas the poms got an intercept, a conrad smith blunder in defence (what was he thinking?), and tuilagi actually doing something for once. one barnstorming run and a touch line pass and apparently thats a great game!?
the boys didnt seem to have their wits about them really, it was apparent that they shouldve stopped playing in their own half and forced the poms to do something rather than kicking and hoping. thought they were the boks for about 60 minutes of the game. score blew out and they got their tails up though.
shame that its the end of the year really, as we will miss out on what this game means to both teams going forward.
oj is right, the abs have had the smoke blown up their butts a bit this year, but this is the first loss in 21 matches!! bound to happen, and if i was a neutral i would probably attest to this being a solid game.
solid win by england, average performance by the abs, and the less said about the ref, the better. very quick to blow the pea at some times but not at others. did the abs get any advantages awarded to them whilst attacking the english line, or were the english squeaky clean? what was with not going to the tmo for the last try, and even for the potential held up play by dagg? aaron smith got the ball moving, but also threw some howlers and is not doing enough around the ruck with his running game. conrad smith got beaten a few times all ends up and let in one try, but helped with one of ours. disappointing to get within a point and then throw it all away off our own stupidity. england got their backs up, the crowd was epic and that was that.
we were hammered at the breakdown and dont know why we didnt protect ourselves better. cant always play the 1 or 2 man at the ruck game if your opposition is flooding all day.
frustrating frustrating frustrating, but a result that shows the abs shoulld never rest on their laurels (as if they didnt know after brissy!?). when is the next ab v eng match at twickenham? got to get myself into that atmosphere.
4:04am
ohtani's jacket said | 4:04am | Report comment
It’s easy to say in hindsight, but Carter probably shouldn’t have played and Coles should have started.
4:08am
Pete said | 4:08am | Report comment
You don’t take losing very well
5:30am
stillmatic1 said | 5:30am | Report comment
i didnt lose, pete. the team i support did. and i try to write what i saw happen, not what someone else saw happen. thought i gave due credit to the winners, but 2 teams play the game you know. very rare to get a game where both teams are playing at a high level, so hence my reaction to how the abs went and how it helped the english in their performance. pretty simple.
are you asking me to fawn over how well england played? you dont seem to say.
3:56am
Southlandaye said | 3:56am | Report comment
Henry’s coaching is wearing off. Won’t be long before Hansen’s beaten corpse is tied to the Sky tower’s antenna… oh wait, this is NZ we’re talking about… they may just spit on him (John Hart) lol.
4:00am
stillmatic1 said | 4:00am | Report comment
werent you complaining about this kind of behaviour from ab fans? its one match champ. what happened the last couple of weeks? what is likely to happen next time? england got a hard fought solid victory, be happy with that. lets see if they can apply themselves next year.
4:12am
Southlandaye said | 4:12am | Report comment
No, I wasn’t complaining ever… because I hardly ever post on here. champ.
Wouldn’t call that a hard fought, solid victory… that was a thrashing by any means… at the home of rugby. England were tossing the ball around for fun at the end of the game… don’t let those consolation tries fool you either.
4:34am
stillmatic1 said | 4:34am | Report comment
which consolation tries?
you filled a few threads with bleating about arrogant ab fans throughout this week. i can appreciate your hatred of a rugby team clouds your judgment, but the thing with the internet is………everything you type is recorded. maybe have a look.
3 tries each isnt a thrashing. getting hammered by the ref and gifting 18 points to one team, IS a thrashing. for all the endeavour by the english, they didnt do a whole lot for 55minutes of the match. the supposed thrashing happened after the abs got back to within a point by scoring 2 tries to nil at that time. england were flooding the breakdown but didnt do much other than kick for most of the match. on balance of play over 80 minutes, it was a solid, hard fought victory with the english playing better for 80 minutes and deserving of the win over the abs who looked to switch it on at any moment but were out muscled.
6:55am
Dick Dastardly said | 6:55am | Report comment
I’d say that a difference of 17 points IS a thrashing sunshine. It becomes even more so if the team that lost is ranked No.1 to a team which is ranked No. 5.
3:46am
Johnno said | 3:46am | Report comment
SBW would of been handy out there at no 12. Nonu’s finished . He looked old and slow. Tuilagi all over him and Conrad Smith.
Big Robbie Freuan may get a chance next year.
3:52am
ohtani's jacket said | 3:52am | Report comment
SBW wouldn’t have made an iota of difference.
6:59am
Jiggles said | 6:59am | Report comment
Smith was the one who looked slow and old. Everything I love about rugby died a little with his performance tonight…
3:52am
Southlandaye said | 3:52am | Report comment
Nonu is the best nz have. Sonny couldn’t handle internationals unless he’s playing against 2nd tier and will quickly fade into obscurity.
3:44am
Trev said | 3:44am | Report comment
Lap it up but you need to take your hand off it if you reckon the abs are suddenly washed up an england can suddenly play rugby again
3:36am
Southlandaye said | 3:36am | Report comment
On a side note is their anything funnier than watching Conrad Smith trying to passionately defend the un-defendable? hahaha, good try mate.
3:35am
Southlandaye said | 3:35am | Report comment
Would go as far as saying this has probably ruined the all black’s year. It wasn’t the scoreline that was totally impressive, but the way England handled them so easily. Shame, New Zealand must be kicking themselves for not picking up Manu… lol… now that Nonu (the old Manu) is soon to be taken out back and put down.
3:42am
ohtani's jacket said | 3:42am | Report comment
If their year was ruined it was in Brisbane. This won’t sit well with the team but it was a boring tour all round. I think it means more to England coming off the two losses. Hansen needs to totally rethink his tactics, though, particularly in the forwards. Not competing at the breakdowns isn’t working for us.
3:50am
kingplaymaker said | 3:50am | Report comment
OJ I said that many of the players here are no longer at their attacking best and others should have been blooded, and that raw talent should have been put ahead of solidity and I think that’s what Hansen is goinghave to do quickly. Fruean, Ranger Taylor and Todd are too big as talents to leave out for older bit safer options.
3:53am
ohtani's jacket said | 3:53am | Report comment
Defence was the problem not attack.
4:01am
kingplaymaker said | 4:01am | Report comment
I don’t think so. A first rate New Zealand back line would have scored so many tries that it wouldn’t matter how many they conceded.
4:04am
stillmatic1 said | 4:04am | Report comment
kpm, do you have any evidence to back this up? or is it the perfect time to put the boot in since the abs have finally lost a match?
im sure jerry or someone can put up stats regarding tries scored over the years and my feeling is that this team is right up there.
as oj says, our defence has been leaky. 3 soft tries v scotland and 3 soft tries v england.
4:08am
ohtani's jacket said | 4:08am | Report comment
How many times have the All Blacks had 38 points scored against them and won?
4:15am
Colin N said | 4:15am | Report comment
How many times have New Zealand conceded 38 points? (genuine question)
4:17am
kingplaymaker said | 4:17am | Report comment
Well let’s hope the coaches are more interested in critical viewpoints than you are after this result.
Try and consider an idea instead of simply rejecting anything.
4:22am
ohtani's jacket said | 4:22am | Report comment
In the 2003 World Cup we ran out 53-37 winners against Wales in a match that was really touch and go. We conceded 42 and 46 in losses to France and South Africa in 2000. 43 in the ’99 WC semi. 35 in a victory over the Boks in ’97 at Eden Park. Couple of others in the low 30s.
4:28am
ohtani's jacket said | 4:28am | Report comment
KPM, the All Blacks scored 50 tries this year at a ratio of 4 tries to 1. Attack is not the problem. Tonight’s game was won after England blitzed the All Blacks with three tries after the All Blacks had scored two to draw within a point. There were some terrible missed tackles from Carter, Conrad Smith and others.
4:38am
stillmatic1 said | 4:38am | Report comment
back to your old chestnut of “im KPM and my criticism is valid when the abs lose”, but is strangely missing when the abs are winning or when its about deans/palu/timani/ranger et al.
maybe try and stop being a troll instead of rejecting anything……..
KPM, how did palu go in HK again?
4:39am
kingplaymaker said | 4:39am | Report comment
I will agree to differ. This AB back line is fine and scores some tries, but four years ago when the players were in their prime they would have put such an English defence to the sword and dominated the game on that basis. I think much All Black dominance over the past decade has been built on the continuous demolition of opposition defences from.angles throughout the matches.
4:43am
ohtani's jacket said | 4:43am | Report comment
How do you know so much about this game when Wales/Australia was happening at the same time? England defended well and attacked well. About the only thing they did wrong was some aimless kicks in the opening quarter of the match.
4:45am
stillmatic1 said | 4:45am | Report comment
KPM, so now the abs have to go back in time and replay a match to prove your assertion!! woulda, coulda, shoulda.
so the abs have never had one of the top packs to ensure the backs could do what you claim? i just dont think you watch that much rugby to be able to claim such nonsense as fact. cant recall too many teams that only had to throw the ball to the backs and the game was settled.
4:46am
Colin N said | 4:46am | Report comment
Cheers. More than I thought then!
7:11am
Jiggles said | 7:11am | Report comment
Palu was awesome in HK still. simply awesome…
4:01am
stillmatic1 said | 4:01am | Report comment
kpm obviously didnt notice the tries the abs scored. never does i suppose.
3:32am
wayz said | 3:32am | Report comment
How can you blame the all blacks for losing, someone in the english camp delibaritly poisoned the ABs food pretty much screwed the whole team over for the week, i don’t blame them ABs still number 1 to me challenge us when were full strength great effort guys!!!
3:30am
katzilla said | 3:30am | Report comment
Game over and England have won easily. Hansen mentions Spain during the week and the All Blacks sink worse then the Armada off the east coast.
The All Blacks were terrible, but more then that the English were awesome.
Although it pained me to see the All Blacks being bullied like children and danced about as if they had concrete shoes, that England performance was actually pretty enjoyable to watch.
Ill tip my hat to the English, if i were a complete neutral i’d watch that game again just to see the way they casually highlighted our deficiencies. Much in the way we’ve done to many other teams in the past.
Any one of about 13 men in White for man of the match,
Corey Jane the only fair shout in a losing effort.
3:39am
ohtani's jacket said | 3:39am | Report comment
England were a lot like us in that match. After we got it back to 15-14 it seemed like we’d win, but I’m kind of glad that we didn’t. I’m tired of hearing how good this side is when it’s no better than the 2010 team, which I actually think was more attractive.
3:50am
katzilla said | 3:50am | Report comment
Yeah it certainly doesn’t deserve to be noted as a greatest AB team ever when they’re taking hidings like this one.
One of the UK telegraph’s writers said that although the backline may compete with previous years, the forward pack doesn’t hold a candle to the 87, 96 or forward packs of the 70s.
And they were shown up today
3:56am
ohtani's jacket said | 3:56am | Report comment
It seemed to me that the way the refs handled the pack in Jo’berg and Brisbane changed the way the All Blacks approached the breakdown this tour, but that’s still no excuse for the scrum. Any way you cut it we don’t have a vintage pack.
3:25am
Nicksa said | 3:25am | Report comment
is this the start of a powerful england team or was this just a really bad all blacks performance?
3:30am
ohtani's jacket said | 3:30am | Report comment
The All Blacks were given a spanking. What it means for either team’s future is any guess, but New Zealand sure deserved it. I hope this ends all the talk about what a great side this is and how wonderful Hansen has been.
3:32am
Southlandaye said | 3:32am | Report comment
Agreed.
7:02am
Jiggles said | 7:02am | Report comment
What it means is how sh*t Test rugby has been this year, and if any team means up and stop believing in the myth we will have games on our hands.
3:25am
Southlandaye said | 3:25am | Report comment
England could have gotten 50 had the Manu stayed on. Brad and Manu are forming a nice center pairing. Nonu and Smith certainly owned tonight, along with the whole all black side. Finally teams have seen that all the All Blacks have done this year is that short kick off, stop that and you stop their main attacking weapon.
3:24am
atlas said | 3:24am | Report comment
and Wales . . . winning with 22 seconds to play
and manage to lose, a long-range try finished that one, 14-12 to Wallabies with kick to come
3:22am
ohtani's jacket said | 3:22am | Report comment
That was big. Really impressive from England.
3:21am
atlas said | 3:21am | Report comment
All over
Deserved win to England 38 NZ 21
3:18am
atlas said | 3:18am | Report comment
oin the other match it is still Wales 12 Australia 9 with 4 min 30 to play
3:18am
Chris said | 3:18am | Report comment
Largest loss in AB history.
3:19am
atlas said | 3:19am | Report comment
No it isn’t
as per earlier post, 1999 v Australia, losing margin 21 points (Australia 28 NZ 7)
4:11am
Frank O'Keeffe said | 4:11am | Report comment
When Kafer replaced Horan.
3:16am
atlas said | 3:16am | Report comment
now 38-21
Savea!
I am losing a silly bet that Julian Savea would outscore the Wallabies try total for 2012.
Now he has twelve tries, the Wallabies season total is 13.
Close, but don’t expect him to get 2 more tonight.
3:13am
katzilla said | 3:13am | Report comment
Savea try, 38-19 kick to come
3:14am
katzilla said | 3:14am | Report comment
Cruden converts.
38-21
3:13am
katzilla said | 3:13am | Report comment
Vunipola yellow card for cynical play but not at all important.
He might as well crack a beer on the sideline.
3:09am
Grahame said | 3:09am | Report comment
How about some decent “live score” blogging??
I am in the back-blocks of Laos relying on you guys and no score for 15 minutes!
3:11am
katzilla said | 3:11am | Report comment
38-14. England penalty.
England absolutely monstering the All Blacks in almost all facets of the game.
Dan Carter subbed off, along with his halfback partner.
3:11am
atlas said | 3:11am | Report comment
hi, got back from a Vientiane trip at 3am this morning, home in Chanthaburi now
no broadband there?
3:13am
ohtani's jacket said | 3:13am | Report comment
38-14.
3:15am
ohtani's jacket said | 3:15am | Report comment
Make that 38-21.
3:14am
atlas said | 3:14am | Report comment
still 35-14 at the 73min mark
ref maybe not the best at times but cannot blame him NZ’s attack v poor, apart from that they have had very little ball, England dominant everywhere. If Eng had played like this they’d have three wins a row v Aust and SA, where did this come from?
Equally NZ are looking as bad as they did in that last drawn test in Brisbane.
4:02am
Colin N said | 4:02am | Report comment
“where did this come from?”
Don’t know! I suppose we actually built a platform this time, but it was just ridiculous.
3:09am
katzilla said | 3:09am | Report comment
Its been many years since i remember being given a lesson in a game like this.
We’ve lost in recent years but not since Australia dominated us in the early 2000s have we been given a lesson.
I know how many teams feel now when we’ve effortlessly torn them apart.
Its happening to us right now.
3:06am
ohtani's jacket said | 3:06am | Report comment
We haven’t been wasted like this since South Africa in 2004.
3:07am
katzilla said | 3:07am | Report comment
We’ve been bad, but i have to hand it to England.
They’re giving us a lesson in clinical skills.
3:11am
ohtani's jacket said | 3:11am | Report comment
They’ve beaten the crap out of us. Well done, England.
3:49am
Southlandaye said | 3:49am | Report comment
Marius Joubert hat-trick.
3:04am
Johnno said | 3:04am | Report comment
Tuilagi is a 10 years younger version of Ma Nonu , Ma Nonu is 31 now, Manu Tuilagi is only 21.
3:04am
katzilla said | 3:04am | Report comment
Penalty England.
About to be 35-14.
We are officially into the All Blacks biggest ever losing margin.
England have torn the All Blacks apart with vicious flooding of the rucks and a rush defence out wide.
All Blacks looking less and less organised as the game draws to a close.
3:03am
atlas said | 3:03am | Report comment
biggest hiding since . . . I cannot remember when the All Blacks have lost like this.
Brains already on the plane home?
No excuses being totally outplayed.
Google says biggest losing margin ever for NZ was 21 points – today could be worse
28/08/1999 vs. Australia at Sydney, lost 7 – 28
3:01am
katzilla said | 3:01am | Report comment
Only 1 player from the IRB player of the year list showing his mettle………
The least expected one.
3:03am
Jiggles said | 3:03am | Report comment
I’d vote for him
Jane has been fantastic in a rubbish team though.
2:59am
Grahame said | 2:59am | Report comment
Have you gone to sleep Atlas??
All I am reading is Katzilla
And I have no idea what the score is for 12 minutes!
3:07am
atlas said | 3:07am | Report comment
i’m not scorekeeper!
seems this thread is unattended
11.06pm here in Thailand, channel hopping between this and Wales – Wallabies (12-9 at 65min)
2:58am
katzilla said | 2:58am | Report comment
Lol, a deserved royal hammering.
Tuilagi mincing our midfield.
2:54am
Jiggles said | 2:54am | Report comment
I take back all I said about manu!
2:55am
katzilla said | 2:55am | Report comment
Him and Barritt are all over the Smith Nonu combo.
2:59am
Jiggles said | 2:59am | Report comment
Sure are
2:54am
katzilla said | 2:54am | Report comment
LOL, Brilliant try.
English Backline is trashing us.
2:54am
Willi said | 2:54am | Report comment
Watch and learn ..
2:51am
katzilla said | 2:51am | Report comment
Super effort this from England.
They deserve a bigger lead then this.
2:47am
katzilla said | 2:47am | Report comment
How much is Corey Jane worth to us right now?
2:39am
atlas said | 2:39am | Report comment
15 – nil
looking unlikely now.
2:31am
Brent Morgans said | 2:31am | Report comment
Fellow kiwis, we aren’t winning this one. England tackling and tactics are better and the bounce of the bounce is going their way.
2:29am
Brent Morgans said | 2:29am | Report comment
What game is the ref watching? England backs off side all day by so far it’s farcical
2:25am
katzilla said | 2:25am | Report comment
We’re about to be found out for not setting a base with our forwards.
2:35am
ohtani's jacket said | 2:35am | Report comment
Aaron Smith is so overrated. Apparently the only thing he can do is shovel the ball on.
2:38am
katzilla said | 2:38am | Report comment
Yup, outside of that try against South Africa looking pretty one dimensional.
Last few games have been bad.
That last scrum penalty was terrible though, English prop totally lost his grip and elbowed the ground.
2:25am
Steve said | 2:25am | Report comment
Where the hell did they get this referee from? Every neutral person knew that the ref will favour England but this ref is setting a new record for one eyedness.
3:46am
Southlandaye said | 3:46am | Report comment
Shut your mouth. He’s Irish. OH sir! BUT WE HAVE A GOD GIVEN RIGHT TO WIN!…. lol.
2:24am
Patches said | 2:24am | Report comment
The All Blacks will come back strong in the, next half
2:23am
ohtani's jacket said | 2:23am | Report comment
Apparently that’s the first time since 1998 that New Zealand have gone into half time without scoring a point.
2:22am
atlas said | 2:22am | Report comment
England lead 12-nil at halftime
overpowering NZ
2:17am
kane said | 2:17am | Report comment
wow nz are playing SO badly. If England dont win then they are truly useless
2:15am
Steve said | 2:15am | Report comment
Don’t be in such a hurry to be vanquished. Remember what happened to previous teams in the 2nd half.
1:53am
Steve said | 1:53am | Report comment
There is no other as arrogant as the English but they WILL be silent once the total onslaught start and they WILL succumb. The juggernaught WILL pulverise them.
2:02am
atlas said | 2:02am | Report comment
25 min, no sign of onslaught or juggernaught
Eng 3 NZ 0
3:45am
Southlandaye said | 3:45am | Report comment
Shame, lol. Take it easy on the wife… open hand hits only
1:46am
Ben.S said | 1:46am | Report comment
Wow. Huge scrum.
1:36am
atlas said | 1:36am | Report comment
tactic from England?
get the ball and kick to Dagg?
Beyond me, no purpose or gain there.
1:09am
Trev said | 1:09am | Report comment
Bring back buck !
12:46am
Southlandaye said | 12:46am | Report comment
Is fox sports airing both games?
12:49am
Phil Bird said | 12:49am | Report comment
negative. abs game is only on setanta.
but if you click this link you should get online streaming of the game, try it out
http://www.wiziwig.tv/competition.php?part=sports&discipline=rugby
or you can try these links
http://www.thefirstrow.eu/sport/rugby.html
and
http://www.vipboxsports.eu/sports/rugby.html
12:37am
Trev said | 12:37am | Report comment
Wouldn’t be supposed to see the over-confident poms go down by 40-50 points
1:28am
atlas said | 1:28am | Report comment
are they over-confident?
I’m on 1-12 margin
3:44am
Southlandaye said | 3:44am | Report comment
Love when comments come back to bite people. Ouch. A pretty big bite. *smiles*
12:10am
Tessa G said | 12:10am | Report comment
Kookaburra is not a New Zealand bird, FYI.
Smash ‘em boys!
12:44am
Phil Bird said | 12:44am | Report comment
true, couldnt think of what noise a kiwi makes. they’re pretty quiet and not really all that ominous…
1:04am
Tessa G said | 1:04am | Report comment
No kidding. However would be nice if editor got his countries right. Bring that haka!!
1:32am
garth said | 1:32am | Report comment
They do lay an egg about half their body weight though, so they’re pretty tough.
12:06am
Trev said | 12:06am | Report comment
England awaits another rugby lesson by the mighty abs
12:56am
Phil Bird said | 12:56am | Report comment
yeeep