Where have the Australian franchises five-pointers gone?

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    Wallaby coach Robbie Deans can forget about his team and bench for the first international against the Lions on June 22 – for the moment.

    And spend the time trying to figure out why the five Australian franchises have forgotten how to score tries, those match-winning five pointers.

    This weekend the five franchises managed just five tries between them, with the Rebels topping the list with two on the way to a first-time win in six over the Waratahs.

    But don’t get too excited about the five, only three of them were good rugby tries – the two by young Rebels winger Tom English, and the one by Force fly-half Sias Ebersohn in the corner, after a decent backline move.

    The other two – Israel Folau scored for the Waratahs with an intercept from three metres out to stroll over, and Nic White for the Brumbies, having toed the loose ball through, regathered five metres out with a dive, and slid the distance on the rain-sodden turf.

    The Reds went tryless.

    Season-wise, the Brumbies have earned a four-try bonus point in four matches, the Reds and Rebels have done it three times, the Waratahs once with their 11-try blitz of the Kings, but the Force has yet to strike a try-scoring bonus point blow.

    Not much to show for 13 rounds of rugby – just 11 try-scoring bonus points out of a possible 65.

    For the record, the Waratahs top the list so far with 37 tries this season, but that’s inflated by those 11 tries against the Kings, the Rebels are second with 34, the Brumbies third with 33, the Reds have only 26, and the Force 21.

    Surprisingly, the Brumbies and Reds have scored the majority of their tries – 24 and 15 respectively – in the second half, and they are the two leading Australian franchises.

    But that doesn’t answer the question of why aren’t more tries being scored?

    There’s no doubt all coaches have devised a far better defence system, and there aren’t enough attacking footballers to breach those systems.

    And there’s a growing and boring tendency to pick and go inside the opposition quarter, rather than spread the attack out wide.

    While the referees have also played a part, many aren’t playing advantage enough.

    Those Australian results this week – the Brumbies beat the Blues 20-13, the Stormers beat the Reds 20-15, the Force edged past the Highlanders 19-18, and the Rebels beat the Tahs 24-22.

    But only seven tries between the eight sides.

    Now ask the question why the Chiefs are on top of the Super tournament able?

    Six times in 13 matches, the defending champions have earned a bonus point for four tries.

    Six times.

    And it’s tries that will beat the Lions. Robbie Deans can now think about his team ans bench, picking those most likely to give him those lost five-pointers.

    And let him still live in Sydney.

    David Lord
    David Lord

    David Lord was deeply involved in two of the biggest sporting stories - World Series Cricket in 1977 and professional rugby in 1983. After managing Jeff Thomson and Viv Richards during WSC, in 1983 David signed 208 of the best rugby players from Australia, New Zealand, Fiji, England, Ireland, Scotland, Wales and France to play an international pro circuit. The concept didn’t get off the ground, but it did force the IRB to get cracking and bring in the World Rugby Cup, now one of the world’s great sporting spectacles

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    • May 26th 2013 @ 9:41am
      Malo said | May 26th 2013 @ 9:41am | ! Report

      Yeah we keep hearing from the reds supporters how brilliant QC is at unleashing and assisting tries for the backs. Again a big doughnut. At least Barnes set up Folau against the stormers. QC is still too precious to defend in the front line.

      • May 26th 2013 @ 11:25am
        Archer said | May 26th 2013 @ 11:25am | ! Report

        I thought Cooper’s game wasn’t bad enough to lay into him like that. Were there any ‘brilliant’ players out there for the Reds? I think Genia is giving far to many photo opportunities at the back of the ruck — there were times when he reminded me of a later vintage George Gregan. The ref was reminding him to ‘use it’ at way to many breakdowns. He seemed only prepared to let the ball go when the Stormers defence was reset. Way sporting of him but is that what you want when your major attacking tactic is the pick and drive.

      • May 26th 2013 @ 11:47am
        Sage said | May 26th 2013 @ 11:47am | ! Report

        Yeah Malo, yeah. He wuz crap cause he is crap yeah

      • May 26th 2013 @ 11:48am
        Chivas said | May 26th 2013 @ 11:48am | ! Report

        Having Quade play in the front line, doesn’t really inhibit the Reds scoring trys. I didn’t watch the game, but did he play straighter and run the ball to the line. If he did those things and his kicking was on, not too much more he can do. There are 14 others on the field. He doesn’t even lead the backline. He is just one of the most talented players on the field, but he still can’t do it on his own.

        Top teams worked out Quade ages ago and how to shut him down. I always think it’s funny how people think the Aussies should build a game around him and as a result they will win matches. In saying that QC has the skill set to actually play different styles and shift the game depending on circumstance. If he learns that, that is what will make him world class. There is no-one else. Toomua is steady eddie but without the array of options and skills Cooper has. Cooper needs to understand and read when changes are required. It’s not easy but as mentioned, nobody doubts his gifts, just his intelligence to apply them and listen.

        In short QC can be more multi-dimensional, but if he’s not going to be, I think I would be looking at other options. Right now the Reds are playing league with a distributor and runners and a few kicks chucked in. I don’t think any of it has to do with first five. He’s a given for any Aussie side (including the Wallabies for mine, but he would be playing to the coaches plan not his).

        Why aren’t the reds penetrating or worrying defences? That is the more interesting question. Is it because they have got themselves stuck in this league style approach and can’t easily alter and adjust the running lines? Are the forwards not showing enough respect for the ball and enough dog in the tight (a typically reds strength)? Is it just a minor bump in the road? A bump in the road can take a few games to sort out and most teams have trouble adjusting in SA.

        Still looks like most of the teams are taking a bit of a breath before finals. It’s a long season and it’s a matter if timing the run to the line and lifting again for the final drive. Not sure I would be overly bothered if I was the reds yet.

        • May 26th 2013 @ 4:45pm
          joeb said | May 26th 2013 @ 4:45pm | ! Report

          “Why aren’t the reds penetrating or worrying defences?” Chivas, if as you say, “I didn’t watch the game,” how can you possibly assume Qld aren’t “worrying defences”? Lol. According to Jim Morton in the SMH – and he did watch the game we presume – “Not a tackle was missed by either side in the opening 25 minutes and only four defenders were brushed off in the first half,” plus he also describes the Stormers’ defensive effort as ‘brick-wall-esque’. Credit where it’s due… Back in the 1980s there were two standout Sydney RL teams, the Eels and the Bulldogs. When they met in the grand final in ’86 i think, both defences were so tight I think only one try was scored and it finished 7-6 from memory, or 6-5 Canterbury’s way. Can’t recall exactly. And very tight defence is what we’re now witnessing at the pointy end of this tourny too.

          http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/union-match-report/stormers-defence-holds-on-against-reds-20130526-2n4pg.html

          i’ll be watchin the match later this week, 🙁

          • May 26th 2013 @ 11:16pm
            Chivas said | May 26th 2013 @ 11:16pm | ! Report

            Yeah and I figured the storm must have shut them down. Just wondered how much the Reds threatened or changed it up. As I didn’t watch it, don’t know the defence patterns being used by stormers. I know sometimes they are a butch to crack, but there’s always ways. Doesn’t mean you always get over the chalk, but it was more a question of they threatened at all.

            Reds have been looking a bit flat for the last few games TBH. Looks like the tight 5 are getting outmuscled in the exchanges. Reds normally play a scrambling 80 minute approach to the forward exchanges which keep them in it. They minimise the effectiveness of opposition forward packs quite well without actually dominating them.

            Anyway, I have been about lazy and missed the last couple, so they were genuine questions rather than guessing at what it might be.

        • May 26th 2013 @ 4:54pm
          joeb said | May 26th 2013 @ 4:54pm | ! Report

          “With Cooper kicking five penalty goals from all over, Queensland did a fine job to take the lead 15-14 with 10 minutes left.”

          There you go Chivas, Quade’s goal kicking alone ought to get him into the Wallabies squad to take on yuor lads.

          http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/union-match-report/stormers-defence-holds-on-against-reds-20130526-2n4pg.html

          • May 26th 2013 @ 11:08pm
            Chivas said | May 26th 2013 @ 11:08pm | ! Report

            Actually I don’t mind Quades place kicking. It’s been pretty solid this year, but Lilo and Barnes can kick too.

            I care more about steering the team from his boot. He’s not shabby, just wish he could kick further. I think Ian Foster could kick further than Quade, I also don’t like his grubber kicks. They are a bit clueless at times, but as stated; no-one is exempt from that and to single Cooper out would be wrong. I think Genias box kicks are a bigger issue.

            My point regarding Cooper is he is quite wiry and a nice runner. I’d like to see him taking it to the line on occassion, because he does seem to work the spaces well. But needs to work on the small spaces as well as the big ones for mine.

            Not a bad piece. Thanks for that.

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          May 26th 2013 @ 6:50pm
          joeb said | May 26th 2013 @ 6:50pm | ! Report

          Chivas, as it’ s nearly dinner time, a few morsels for yuo to chew over… from Wayne Smith’s “Why X-factor players are worth coach’s headache”… and let’s hear no more of this ‘mouthpiece for QLD mafia’ nonsense. The journo’s merely stating hard incontrovertibel facts.

          http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/why-x-factor-players-are-worth-coachs-headache/story-e6frg7mf-1226650235165

          • May 26th 2013 @ 7:31pm
            jutsie said | May 26th 2013 @ 7:31pm | ! Report

            how many great 10’s in the professional era have possessed the high risk/high reward traits that these so called “x factor” players seem to possess? I’m all for having these sorts of players in a team but I dont trust them to play in one of the most critical decision making positions in the team. A guy like QC for all his wonderful skill and vision is incapable of controlling/changing the tempo of a game with intelligent decision making.
            I would play him at 10 for the lions series because he is our best option at this moment in time however i think going forward we need to move on. A bloke like toomua or CL would be my preference, a solid/stable player with a mature head who can spark an attack when he wants but can also control the momentum of the game when his team is struggling. I have hope for a number of years that QC would develop the maturity to play this role as he as grown up but time is running out and we have been burnt by his stupidity on too many occasions (on and off the field).
            However it wouldnt be fair to throw either CL or toomua into the role in such a important and intense series. would start them on the bench in case QC lost the plot and possibly work them into the starting XV by the end of the series.

            • May 27th 2013 @ 12:19am
              Chivas said | May 27th 2013 @ 12:19am | ! Report

              I am on the same page here Jutsie. I think he has the natural skills and gifts to change the tempo and state if play from first five. But he’s not an in field leader. Comments from Deans regarding Taps and the style of the Reds play is also interesting. I think there is validity in what Deans is saying, but I’m wondering if it would be better targeted at Ewen than Quade who is playing to Ewen’s game plan isn’t he?

              Anyway, I think Quade could mature, but he’s not going to develop into a world class first five at the reds I wouldn’t think. I understand that Quade’s style has been tried and at times found wanting. I just wonder if Australia has many other options.

              Let’s say JOC could be developed into a genuine first five. He seems to have a far better attitude than Giteau so don’t see the comparison. I just wonder at the time it would take to sort out the lines and what you could do that would make him a genuine threat against the Lions.

              Even if they shut down Quade and throw him off his game, you can change him. Running from. first five will be necessary against the way the Lions will play and it will be how effective they can snipe and slide in behind. Then the backs can be effective. If the Aussies just start swinging and looking for runners hitting holes, I think the Lions will snuff that out.

              I don’t know. I grew up watching Waikato rugby and that’s the way we played. Whether it was guys like Paddy Darbo or Arthur Stone, we had players that could knock em down and then has the size and muscle to dominate the area.

              They were vulnerable if you moved them around and got their defence disorganised. I think it’s going to be a tough series. Whoever plays is going to need to mix it up. I still have QC, because he can do what is required. My only question is does he want to. Last time he ran away and started tweeting. But I haven’t heard any comments from him this year which is refreshing and may mean he has grown up and is willing to adjust. Or it could just mean he’s not tweeting 🙂

      • May 26th 2013 @ 3:16pm
        Mental said | May 26th 2013 @ 3:16pm | ! Report

        Seems Cooper played the way Deans has been asking him to through the media. Result – no tries. As to be expected from a Deans game plan.

        • May 26th 2013 @ 3:47pm
          Well Ruck me. said | May 26th 2013 @ 3:47pm | ! Report

          Look up the stats mental. You might learn something.

        • May 26th 2013 @ 4:17pm
          Chivas said | May 26th 2013 @ 4:17pm | ! Report

          Really…. You are right that is it. God save us from idiots…

    • May 26th 2013 @ 9:47am
      mikeylives said | May 26th 2013 @ 9:47am | ! Report

      * The Reds played the Stormers at home (best defenders in the comp).
      * The Brumbies played a territory game in driving rain (first half) and windy conditions in Auckland.
      * Since the change in CEO, the Rebels have become a defensive rock – Don’t ask me how, because they were leaking tries every few minutes just a few weeks ago.
      * The force…. well they have always been pretty good on D. They are full of heart, but aren’t renowned for their flashy attack.

      • May 26th 2013 @ 11:17am
        atlas said | May 26th 2013 @ 11:17am | ! Report

        what is the best defence?
        It’s close, but if points scored are to be considered – five teams have had less points scored against them that the Stormers – the Brumbies have had the least points scored against them in the tournament (234), and also have the biggest positive points differential (112). Best?

        • May 26th 2013 @ 11:35am
          mikeylives said | May 26th 2013 @ 11:35am | ! Report

          I thought they had the least tries scored against them? I may be wrong.

          • May 26th 2013 @ 12:12pm
            atlas said | May 26th 2013 @ 12:12pm | ! Report

            Hi – you’re likely right, unsure which site keeps the try stats?
            it’s a double-edged one – some teams constantly give away penalties to prevent tries, but still lose matches to scores measured out in threes. Good defence balanced with good attack.

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              May 26th 2013 @ 3:06pm
              AdamS said | May 26th 2013 @ 3:06pm | ! Report

              Least tries conceded. Stormers, then the Red and Saders.

    • May 26th 2013 @ 9:47am
      Bakkies said | May 26th 2013 @ 9:47am | ! Report

      The matches are getting tighter so taking the points is becoming more vital rather then risking the kick to the corner and coming up with nothing. You only have to look at how close the matches have been over recent rounds. With the weather getting colder and points at a premium due to the regular season coming to a close the try count will come down.

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        May 26th 2013 @ 4:15pm
        biltongbek said | May 26th 2013 @ 4:15pm | ! Report

        It is misleading to only look at bonus point try matches. You need to look at tries scored, teams may miss out on bonus points and then the easiest conclusion is they aren’t scoring tries.

        Consider this.

        Thus far 433 tries have been scored in a total of 95 matches, an average of 4.55 tries per match.
        In 2011 a total of 559 tries have been scored in 120 matches, an average of 4.65 tries per match
        In 2012 a total of 591 tries have been scroed in 120 matches, an average of 4.9 tries per match

        In 2011 the Aussies scored 180 tries, an average of 2.250 tries per team per match.
        In 2012 the Aussies scored 179 tries, an average of 2.237 tries per team per match.

        In 2013 thus far the Aussies have scored 151 tries at an average of 2.253 per team per match.

        Overall the Aussies are on par with previous seasons, what cannot be denied is local derbies make it much tougher to score tries as has been the case not only in OZ, but also SA and NZ. Then you have the Lions tour which is on many player’s minds, it is looming and injuries now will mean they may never get to play in a Lions series.

        The try scoring overall is on par with previous seasons so I see no need for concern.

        • May 26th 2013 @ 7:34pm
          Geoff Brisbane said | May 26th 2013 @ 7:34pm | ! Report

          BB could you give us the stats for tries scored for and against in each conference as that woukd be interesting. Thanks

          • May 26th 2013 @ 9:53pm
            Suzy Poison said | May 26th 2013 @ 9:53pm | ! Report

            Not sure if it tells you anything?
            Which way to you tell if the conference is the strongest?

            New Zealand 153 tries for
            142 against
            Australia 151 tries for
            152 against
            South Africa 129 tries for
            146 against

            However when it comes to Cross conference games.
            South Africa have 20 victories
            Australia 18 wins
            and New Zealand 16.

            Then if you take overall points.
            New Zealand points difference is 55
            South Africa is -14
            Australia is -39

            All that tells me, is the talent in New Zealand is spread more evenly.
            For instance Highlanders are in last place but have a number of All Blacks, whereas the Kings for instance, only have one former Bok player, Luke Watson, who has one cap. No surprises there.

            Also it says the South Africans struggle to score tries, but have good kickers (because they are winning more games) No surprises there either.

            Overall the conferences have evened out. No one country is dominating.

            • May 27th 2013 @ 3:05am
              fredstone said | May 27th 2013 @ 3:05am | ! Report

              Andries Strauss went on an end of year tour, didn’t he? So that’s 2 for the kings.

              The Cheetas have exactly 4 springboks, of which one is apparently too small.

              And they don’t kick that much either, so what was that argument you were trying to make again?

    • May 26th 2013 @ 9:50am
      jutsie said | May 26th 2013 @ 9:50am | ! Report

      Reds 5 trys in 5 games. Wallabies attack was crucified last year for similar stats

      • May 26th 2013 @ 10:05am
        Bakkies said | May 26th 2013 @ 10:05am | ! Report

        For the Wallabies it’s an issue as tries will be key in the Lions Series. You won’t beat the Lions by kicking penalties. In terms of Super Rugby it actually suits the Australian teams to play a slow, more defensive style towards the back end of the season. The kiwi teams will cut you up in a fast and expansive game of Rugby.

        • May 26th 2013 @ 10:42am
          Positive Rugby said | May 26th 2013 @ 10:42am | ! Report

          “You won’t beat the Lions by kicking penalties”. Yes you will, if you kick enough of them. And that is Dean’s game plan so we better hope it works.

          • May 26th 2013 @ 11:14am
            Bakkies said | May 26th 2013 @ 11:14am | ! Report

            The Lions have a better kicker in Halfpenny if it comes down to penalties.

            • May 26th 2013 @ 12:06pm
              Well Ruck me. said | May 26th 2013 @ 12:06pm | ! Report

              I wouldnt say halfpenny is much better than Barnes Bakkies.

              • May 26th 2013 @ 6:29pm
                Bakkies said | May 26th 2013 @ 6:29pm | ! Report

                Halfpenny’s success rate was pretty high in the 6 Nations and he has a long range from over half way.

          • May 26th 2013 @ 12:05pm
            Well Ruck me. said | May 26th 2013 @ 12:05pm | ! Report

            “Its the Deans gameplan”
            No its not so dont say it is, it just makes you look like a hater trying to take a cheap shot at Deans.

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              May 26th 2013 @ 3:07pm
              AdamS said | May 26th 2013 @ 3:07pm | ! Report

              There’s a lot to hate.
              You say it’s not the gameplan, any proof?

              • May 26th 2013 @ 3:41pm
                Well Ruck me. said | May 26th 2013 @ 3:41pm | ! Report

                Yes Adam, you maybe right and Robbies gameplan is to kick penalties.

                I think thats part of every single coaches gameplan that ever existed.

                The hate comes in when it is implied that it is the only thing in Robbies gameplan but there is no proof for this at all. None, infact its absurd. The haters will base this on the injury hit 2012 season where the team just managed to edge their oposition with penalties but to be perfectly honest, if you are selecting 1 year from 5 in which Genia, Horwill, Pocock, Cooper, Mitchell, McCabe and others were not playing for most or all of it and CLUTCHING to it as some kind of ridiculous argument that Robbies gameplan is just to kick penalties you are not worth talking to because you are an unreasonable bias person that just wants to hate.

                The concept is ridiculous and not based on any evidence but is instead a cheap shot at Deans without considering the actual circumstances.
                Positive Rugby doesnt believe its the gameplan and neither do you but you just want to express your irrational hate by taking cheap shots whenever possible.

                Do you seriously believe it is the Deans gameplan for the Lions to just kick goals? Do you? If you dont then what are you doing by trying to imply it is if it isnt just trying to express hate for Deans with a pathetic baseless cheap shot?
                Under Robbie Deans the Australian team averages 2.4 tries per game. Those damn players are not following the gameplan.
                NZ 3.65
                SA 2.45
                Aust 2.4

                In that order whilst Deans has been coach. So Australia has scored More tries per game than 7 of the top 10 with Deans and thats despite the obvious difficulties of 2012.

                Stop your constent baseless whinging and support your team.

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                May 26th 2013 @ 4:11pm
                AdamS said | May 26th 2013 @ 4:11pm | ! Report

                You’ve just sacked your own argument.
                Kick driven Rugby is all we have seen from Deans and is backed by your own numbers.
                What goes on in Europe is irrelevant, we expect to beat those teams, yet he scores less tries than the Boks, who for the most part of his tenure were the masters of penalty driven rugby.

              • May 26th 2013 @ 4:19pm
                Well Ruck me. said | May 26th 2013 @ 4:19pm | ! Report

                What?!
                You dont have an argument so please start one Adam. You know by actually having an argument instead of dismissing stats and giving baseless assumptions.
                Look up the stats over the last few years and you will find that Australuas runs more, kicks less and passes more than the opposition.
                You are assuming and you are wrong.
                Yes they are 3rd in the world for tries scored, are you so twisted than you think thats bad?
                Why bother talking to you? Australia is 3rd by the narrowest margins after a whole season of difficulties and you say “see”. You are a lost cause Adam.

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                May 26th 2013 @ 4:36pm
                biltongbek said | May 26th 2013 @ 4:36pm | ! Report

                Adam, masters of penalty driven rugby?

                Nonsense. Preconcieved idea. The fact that a team take their opportunties at goal does not make for a penalty driven game.

                The same as the misconception that SA only kick. I did the stat last year, on average SA kicks 4-5 kicks more per match in general play than OZ and NZ, 4 to 5 kicks?

                When you consider that we don’t often run from our own 22 the difference is even closer.

                The ONLY difference is SA plays on attack 55% of the time wirh their forwards whereas OZ and NZ plays with their backs between 55 and 60% of the time.

                Hence our attack IS MORE PREDICTABLE.

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                May 26th 2013 @ 4:45pm
                AdamS said | May 26th 2013 @ 4:45pm | ! Report

                In your credit BB, the Boks have certainly improved in the last few years 😉

              • May 26th 2013 @ 5:30pm
                Justin2 said | May 26th 2013 @ 5:30pm | ! Report

                WRM – “Those damn players are not following the gameplan.”

                2 questions – what is the game plan and if they arent following it why do they continue to be selected?

              • May 26th 2013 @ 5:42pm
                Well Ruck me. said | May 26th 2013 @ 5:42pm | ! Report

                I think youve missed the point Justin.
                The players under deans have scored a lot of tries in relation to other top 10 sides (I am not sure about Samoa).
                Therefore if the gameplan is to “kick penalties” they are not sticking to the gameplan.

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                May 26th 2013 @ 7:17pm
                Neuen said | May 26th 2013 @ 7:17pm | ! Report

                Biltong I do agree with you there. SA kick from their set play where NZ and Australia wil first take it up and set it up in the middle before they launch their kick and chase. Reason why NZ and Aus do that rather than kicking themselves from set play is to make the opposition tired first before handing over the ball. Its especially a good tactic to tire down the big forwards. Especially those of SA. So the perception will make it look like they are running the ball all over the place where SA kick everything away. Its not like that as NZ need a tactic to nullify SA big pack of forwards.

                People especially Aussie supporters will go bezerk when they run it couple of phases then kick it. Its not that they kicking possession away its that they launch their kick and chase game like any other side.

            • May 26th 2013 @ 3:19pm
              Mental said | May 26th 2013 @ 3:19pm | ! Report

              Well Ruck Me, It appears every one is wrong on every topic except for you and Deans.

              • May 26th 2013 @ 3:46pm
                Well Ruck me. said | May 26th 2013 @ 3:46pm | ! Report

                No thats not true Mental but a spade is a spade and your comment shows my that you too hate Deans.
                Am I wrong?

                I dont pretend to be right every time mental but are you seriously trying to imply the Deans gameplan is “kick goals”?
                I doubt it mental so I accept your apology.
                If somebody says something that is clearly wrong or just a cheap shot Im going to call them out instead of letting the crowd hang the witch.

              • May 26th 2013 @ 7:34pm
                Mental said | May 26th 2013 @ 7:34pm | ! Report

                You are right. Deans is on par with Eddie Jones as the worst coach to ever coach the Wallabies. I am hoping we lose against the Lions so we can quickly see the back of him.

                As far as kicking game plan. I don’t believe that is his game plan because I don’t believe Deans has a game plan nor has he ever had one. The guy is a fraud as a coach. Send him back to NZ. Wallabies deserve an Australian coach who can actually coach.

                But my comment was more about your obsession of ripping everyone’s post to spreads except if it is heavily Pro Warratahs or Pro Deans. I get you are into stats but stats tell little about Rugby Union games and players.

              • May 26th 2013 @ 8:37pm
                Well Ruck me. said | May 26th 2013 @ 8:37pm | ! Report

                Mental as your post shows you are a Deans hater.
                You say he is on par with the worst coach ever but that is so far from the truth its not funny. For the first 80 years of the Wallabies they won 31% of their games. Deans is amoungst the most successfull of all time even at 60% mental.
                Your lack of knowledge and clear hate for Deans says it all.

                If you dont like the Tahs and are able to explain why and have an adult discussion about it without resorting to snide baseless comments thats fine but if you are going to come on here and spread hate without being able to back it up then expect me to have an issue with it.

                I find the amount of Australian fans that just hate for the sake of it, attack their team, players and coach appaulling.

          • May 26th 2013 @ 7:06pm
            GWS said | May 26th 2013 @ 7:06pm | ! Report

            Great.
            Can’t wait for that.

            • May 27th 2013 @ 11:10am
              DJW said | May 27th 2013 @ 11:10am | ! Report

              I think a lot of us are still trying to figure out what exactly is Deans game plan… Generally appears there is none.. and definatly no plan B

      • May 26th 2013 @ 11:40am
        AJ said | May 26th 2013 @ 11:40am | ! Report

        I might be wrong but aren’t the wallabies are 15 from 15. Reds are 26 from 13. Not great and everyone knows it, Reds fans especially.
        This week was an arm wrestle, most games this year they’ve made plenty of breaks but haven’t finished them off. They needed some offloads last night cause there was no getting through the line.
        Credit to the Stormers, good win.

        • May 26th 2013 @ 12:22pm
          Well Ruck me. said | May 26th 2013 @ 12:22pm | ! Report

          If the Reds were without Genia, Cooper, Horwill, Ioane, Gill, Schatz and Lance and scoring 1 try per game it would be because those players were missing. If the Wallabies were scoring 1 try with more players than that missing it would be because Deans has no gameplan and a conservative kicking gameplan at the same time, his selections are bad, too many Tahs in the team bla bla bla.

          • May 26th 2013 @ 1:14pm
            Dan said | May 26th 2013 @ 1:14pm | ! Report

            +1
            With all the complaints about the double standards regarding Cooper v other players, there’s certainly a pretty significant inconsistency in the complaints Reds fans level at Deans v their attitude to their own team when theyre having similar troubles

      • May 26th 2013 @ 3:16pm
        handles said | May 26th 2013 @ 3:16pm | ! Report

        Sorry Jutsie, the Wallabies were crucified for one try in four matches.

        • May 26th 2013 @ 3:58pm
          Well Ruck me. said | May 26th 2013 @ 3:58pm | ! Report

          Sorry handles but that NEVER HAPPENED.
          1 in 3 yes, 1 in 4 bullsh*7.

          • May 26th 2013 @ 10:20pm
            handles said | May 26th 2013 @ 10:20pm | ! Report

            Correct, sorry. Against Europeans last year we scored none against Scotland, none against France, but one each against England, Wales and Italy. Oh joy. But you are right.

      • May 26th 2013 @ 7:38pm
        Xiedazhou said | May 26th 2013 @ 7:38pm | ! Report

        Yes the Reds have lost their try scoring mojo, however the difference between them and last years Wallabies is that at least the Reds are creating the opportunities. Look how many times they crossed the Cheetahs line last week, and at the number of opportunities created last night. Its finishing, not try creation that is really hurting the Reds in most of their games.

        Despite what some say above, Cooper had a very good game last night, and created plenty of breaks and opportunites, but once again the Reds finishing let them down. Some of his passing was sublime, and anyone who cant appreciate that after watching the game has got to be blinded by bias against him. Even the SA commentators were very complimentary of the silky skill set he displayed last night. He was once again the stand out Aus 10.

        Whatever the difficulties the Reds are having at present, it is certainly unfair to lay the blame at Coopers feet. Worryingly for the Reds and indeed the Wallabies however is Genia’s form. Last week against the Cheetahs he had an absolute shocker, probably the worst game I’ve seen him play. Last night against the Stormers he was pedestrian at the breakdown, played the short side far too often, some of his game decision making was poor (trying for kick to winger, when he should have been more patient) and then at the end of the game he just reverted to repeatedly passing short, one out, for the forwards truck it up, until finally someone was isolated. Its been quite a while since we’ve seen him have a snipe, and that indeed was part of his armoury, as it kept the defence guessing, kept them close, and freed up a bit of space outside of him.

        Maybe he’s hit the wall physically, after coming back early from his knee reconstruction. It may be time for him to have a rest.

        Oh, an an interesting aside, the Saffa commentators paid Cooper quite the compliment as an Ambassador for the game. Apparently he was busy during the week with local youth teams etc, though the “haters” wont want to hear that will they?

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          May 26th 2013 @ 8:32pm
          AdamS said | May 26th 2013 @ 8:32pm | ! Report

          The media rarely mention Coopers toxic behavout.
          Coaching clinics, on the field signing for the kids 45 minutes after the game etc.
          It doesn’t set the tone right for Robbie and the ARU.

          • May 26th 2013 @ 9:25pm
            Well Ruck me. said | May 26th 2013 @ 9:25pm | ! Report

            Deans and the ARU never said Cooper was toxic.
            Cooper said they were toxic or at least provided a toxic environment and he refused to play for the team.
            Remember?

            • May 26th 2013 @ 10:21pm
              handles said | May 26th 2013 @ 10:21pm | ! Report

              refused to play?

        • May 26th 2013 @ 9:15pm
          peterlala said | May 26th 2013 @ 9:15pm | ! Report

          Xiedazhou, that’s exactly what I saw and heard.

        • May 27th 2013 @ 12:47am
          Chivas said | May 27th 2013 @ 12:47am | ! Report

          X, that is a good post and enjoyable read. Don’t minimise it by jumping to the same idiotic conclusion so many do and think because someone passes a critical comment they hate Cooper. Are you Quades lover? No… so don’t assume every criticism is by someone who hates him.

          There are some intelligent folk on here and then.there are those like Mentals post above that don’t add value. That’s the nature of a blog site. No point trying to change them.

          People will hate regardless. If you think Cooper comes in for too much, look at what Robbie Deans comes in for and how personal much of it is.

          Do you feel the need to come out strongly against that, or is it just Quade that needs your support. I ask because that is often how this whole debate has been framed.

          I’ve supported Quade since ever, but I don’t support his tweets, eun ins with the law or unnecessary errors, which I have been critical of. But I have also called for tolerance and stated parts of his play I absolutely enjoy. His passing, running, getting involved, option taking etc. As I say some are on here to actually engage in discussion and some just to make nasty comments.

          Pick what you want to respond to, but if you make an interesting post, don’t lessen it picking a side in a largely ridiculous debate.

    • May 26th 2013 @ 10:55am
      kombiutedriver said | May 26th 2013 @ 10:55am | ! Report

      Bring back the laws which gave some space between the two lines and commit more forwards to the rucks and mauls.

      • May 27th 2013 @ 7:48am
        Jack said | May 27th 2013 @ 7:48am | ! Report

        Just enforce the offside line. Refs waving defenders back is setting the defensive line for them. Defenders are continually offside and that’s what kills tries. In the Kiwi provincial comp games I’ve watched the refs are red hot on offside and the Rugby is the most entertaining you could want to see. You often see 120 backrowers arriving with the ball when the 12 or 13 take the pass. A prop is penalized for putting his hand down to steady a scrum and offside defenders are giving warnings. arrrg!!!

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      May 26th 2013 @ 11:12am
      Vhavnal said | May 26th 2013 @ 11:12am | ! Report

      Just mentioned this on another article, its also funny that 3 of the top 5 try scorers are Australians (Folau, Speight and Higginbotham)..though Speight and higginbotham are both FIJIANS.. (Higginbothams’ mother was born in fiji)..maybe thats what they need?, more fijian wingers? haha…

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