What can we take from the JLT One-Day Cup

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    The upcoming first three rounds of the Sheffield Shield will likely finally determine who bats at number six and who keeps wicket for Australia in the Ashes series.

    It’s therefore hard to place too much credence on a domestic one-day series, especially one in which Doug Bollinger has averaged 34 with the bat; however, some hopefuls have started the domestic season well and some need to find form quickly.

    It’s been commented previously that the Marsh brothers have already been given too many chances for Australia, but the JLT One Day Cup statistics speak for themselves. Mitchell Marsh has scored 258 runs at an average of 129, albeit with some not outs, whereas Shaun Marsh has scored 380 runs at an average of 95. If the Australian selectors elect to go with a specialist batsman at number six and Shaun Marsh stays fit and keeps scoring during the four-day games, he will be close to selection.

    He was dropped after three Tests last summer, but Nic Maddinson has also started the season well, scoring 398 runs at an average of 66. Cameron Bancroft, so close to Test selection a couple of years ago, has scored 189 runs at an average of 47.

    From the other specialist batsmen who are considered a chance of playing at the Gabba Travis Head, Kurtis Patterson and Joe Burns have work to do. Travis Head has had one hit out for 29 runs, albeit with an impressive strike rate, while Patterson and Burns have averaged 41 and 31 respectively. These are not poor results at all, but when compared to Shaun Marsh’s 95 some big scores in the Sheffield Shield games become a necessity.

    It’s difficult to get a good read on the all-rounders as most have had limited opportunities. Other than Mitchell Marsh, Moises Henriques scored 72 from his only innings, Glenn Maxwell made 12 in his only knock, while Hilton Cartwright has scored 39 from his two innings, including one not out. If the selectors do decide they want an all-rounder at number six in Australian conditions, Henriques would likely be the favourite at this stage. A solid start to the Sheffield Shield may just be enough.

    Of the wicketkeepers with a chance Matthew Wade and Alex Carey are probably jostling for the lead at this stage. Wade is averaging mid 40s with the bat while Carey’s 92 in the semi-final was a match-winning knock while also boosting his average into the 30s. Peter Nevill has had a very modest start in his less preferred 50-over format; however, if he can repeat his Sheffield Shield form of last year, he will be close to a recall.

    As I said at the start, the four-day games coming up will determine these two key positions for Australia in their quest to take back the Ashes. However, after the JLT series, some players definitely have the advantage. Whether they can keep that advantage all the way through to selection remains to be seen. It promises to be some of the more tense Sheffield Shield games played for a long time.

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    • October 22nd 2017 @ 9:54am
      Paul said | October 22nd 2017 @ 9:54am | ! Report

      Form in the JLT means little when trying to decide Test spots. Games played on postage stamp grounds with pitches like roads, it’s no wonder flat track bullies like the two Marshes got runs.

      The JLT has been a good tournament to knock of the winter rust and get some form and confidence. The real cricket to decide spots starts this week.

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        October 22nd 2017 @ 11:34am
        Matthew Pearce said | October 22nd 2017 @ 11:34am | ! Report

        This “flat track bullies” narrative is a little tiring. If it was so easy to score runs, how come everyone else didn’t score as many as the Marshes?

        • October 22nd 2017 @ 11:47am
          Ross said | October 22nd 2017 @ 11:47am | ! Report

          Madinson, khawaja and Shaun were tHe 3 best batsman for the series and all 3 deserve a chance to play ODI cricket at some point this summer

          • October 22nd 2017 @ 11:51am
            Don Freo said | October 22nd 2017 @ 11:51am | ! Report

            Mitch? Scored 338 @169.

          • October 22nd 2017 @ 1:45pm
            BurgyGreen said | October 22nd 2017 @ 1:45pm | ! Report

            I’d say Hughes was slightly better than Khawaja – virtually identical run tallies and averages but Hughes got an extra ton

            • October 22nd 2017 @ 8:35pm
              Ross said | October 22nd 2017 @ 8:35pm | ! Report

              What made khawaja special for me in this tournament aside from him being the second highest scorer was that all his runs came against the 3 strongest bowling attack in NSW, WA and Vic. Against Nsw who had the best attack in Starc Lyon and cummins he scored 140, so no cheap runs against a cricket Australia 11 for him. And I calculated that he also has the most domestic runs for one day cricket in the last 4 years

              • October 23rd 2017 @ 3:40pm
                matth said | October 23rd 2017 @ 3:40pm | ! Report

                Also, he was propping up a weak batting attack. there wasn’t a lot of help for Khawaja from the Bulls in this tournament.

        • October 22nd 2017 @ 11:50am
          Don Freo said | October 22nd 2017 @ 11:50am | ! Report

          Many of the Marsh runs were on the WACA…not a small ground at all.

          Following much of it?

          • October 22nd 2017 @ 12:14pm
            Ben Brown said | October 22nd 2017 @ 12:14pm | ! Report

            yeah, but an absolute road lol. Seriously, you are delusional.

            • October 22nd 2017 @ 12:24pm
              Don Freo said | October 22nd 2017 @ 12:24pm | ! Report

              It was not a road for the opposition. Now, explain the final in Hobart.

              It seems to me that you don’t really follow the game…you just grumble when people discuss things you don’t understand.

              • October 22nd 2017 @ 2:19pm
                Ben Brown said | October 22nd 2017 @ 2:19pm | ! Report

                Yes I don’t understand your obsession with the Marsh brothers when both have mediocre First-Class records.

              • October 22nd 2017 @ 2:54pm
                Don Freo said | October 22nd 2017 @ 2:54pm | ! Report

                Try harder. You’ll understand it if you watch.

                “Obsession” is an interesting choice of words. I celebrate the success of so many Oz cricketers. If you read regularly you’ll have seen support many that others obsess about putting down. Maddinson, Maxwell, Lyon, Nevill, Head…

                The obsession lies with those who see the name Marsh and it blinds them to any discussion about cricket. I just seek to redress the balance.

            • Roar Rookie

              October 22nd 2017 @ 12:47pm
              Matthew Pearce said | October 22nd 2017 @ 12:47pm | ! Report

              Again, if it was such a “road”, how come most players couldn’t score that amount of runs?

              • October 22nd 2017 @ 8:36pm
                Ross said | October 22nd 2017 @ 8:36pm | ! Report

                Marsh and khawaja were the best 2 batsman for the JLT cup

            • October 23rd 2017 @ 3:43pm
              matth said | October 23rd 2017 @ 3:43pm | ! Report

              Ben, I’m not sure if you are a Roar regular, but you don’t need to call people names here to get your point across. By all means state your opinions forcefully, but Don Freo knows plenty about cricket, even if he has a long standing Marsh crush. In this case, his points about their performance and about playing at the WACA are 100% correct.

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        October 22nd 2017 @ 4:35pm
        Ryan H said | October 22nd 2017 @ 4:35pm | ! Report

        Hard to take away the fact they’re both in blistering One-Day form. Plenty of other names like Ferguson, Maddinson, Labuschagne and Bailey putting their hand up to gain ODI selection later this summer.

        • October 22nd 2017 @ 8:37pm
          Ross said | October 22nd 2017 @ 8:37pm | ! Report

          Don’t forget khawaja he was the second equal top scorer for the tournament

        • October 23rd 2017 @ 3:45pm
          matth said | October 23rd 2017 @ 3:45pm | ! Report

          Assuming he is fit, Mitch Marsh walks straight back into our ODI team. Shaun Marsh probably has to wait for Finch to struggle again, and also there is Khawaja to consider. There’s a lot more competition for a top order spot than the middle order, where Mitch Marsh is so valuable.

    • October 22nd 2017 @ 10:41am
      qwetzen said | October 22nd 2017 @ 10:41am | ! Report

      The biggest learning of the JLT for me was off the field. The cricket.com.au streaming was excellent and I hope they maintain that standard for the Shield.

      The other learning was also off the field. It was striking how little coverage this comp got in the mainstream. It’s almost as if CA aren’t promoting it at all…

      • October 23rd 2017 @ 3:46pm
        matth said | October 23rd 2017 @ 3:46pm | ! Report

        It’s now for the purists I think. all marketing money is gobble up by the BBL and it’s an Ashes year as well. I also think they have diverted marketing funds to the Women’s Ashes and I’m fine with that too. Good match yesterday.

    • October 22nd 2017 @ 10:53am
      Don Freo said | October 22nd 2017 @ 10:53am | ! Report

      Henriques an all rounder? When was the last time he bowled a substantial spell? He can only be considered as a batsman now.

      The JLT has thrown up Cam Bancroft as a genuine keeping option. Made some very skilled dismissals, especially keeping to a left arm Chinaman bowler and was error free. An average over 50 batting at #3 was the bonus.

      He would give Hussey like stabilty at #6.

      • October 22nd 2017 @ 11:48am
        Ross said | October 22nd 2017 @ 11:48am | ! Report

        Yeah for me too Bancroft looks very good

      • October 22nd 2017 @ 11:50am
        BurgyGreen said | October 22nd 2017 @ 11:50am | ! Report

        I’d definitely have Bancroft keeping in the ODI side but he needs to be keeping in the Shield to get the Test spot.

        • October 23rd 2017 @ 1:28am
          Don Freo said | October 23rd 2017 @ 1:28am | ! Report

          I suspect Bancroft might be keeping in the first Shield game on Thursday. I haven’t seen Josh Inglis’ name in any grade cricket so far this year. I’m not sure what the story is there.

      • October 23rd 2017 @ 3:46pm
        matth said | October 23rd 2017 @ 3:46pm | ! Report

        And his strike rate was a step up on what I expected from him. I would be happy for Bancroft to get a run in the ODI’s.

    • October 22nd 2017 @ 11:52am
      BurgyGreen said | October 22nd 2017 @ 11:52am | ! Report

      Henriques is no chance for number 6. Right now the frontrunners are Maxwell, Cartwright, Stoinis and Shaun Marsh.

      All will depend on the Shield games.

    • October 22nd 2017 @ 1:14pm
      TheCunningLinguistic said | October 22nd 2017 @ 1:14pm | ! Report

      I think Paul & Ben are the delusional ones. It doesn’t really matter what type of pitches or ground sizes there were, they apply equally to all players. Stop knocking the Marsh brothers and give credit where it’s due- they’ve started the season beautifully!

      • Roar Rookie

        October 22nd 2017 @ 1:25pm
        Matthew Pearce said | October 22nd 2017 @ 1:25pm | ! Report

        I’m curious – if players who do really well are flat track bullies (especially if you don’t like them), what does that make players who didn’t succeed on the same pitches?

        I mean, really, every player *should* be a flat track bully – that’s the whole point of a flat track.

    • October 22nd 2017 @ 1:23pm
      Paul said | October 22nd 2017 @ 1:23pm | ! Report

      Read my post again not just the first 34 words!!

      The article is trying to draw a line between JLT form and Test matches. In other words, the guys who made runs in JLT have an edge over others for batting and keeping spots.

      If your attention span was longer you would have read the next paragraph which said the real cricket starts with the Shield games. Yes the JLTt was useful but at the end of the day, the next 3 weeks will be crucial for Test spots

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        October 22nd 2017 @ 1:28pm
        Matthew Pearce said | October 22nd 2017 @ 1:28pm | ! Report

        That’s fine, and most people would agree, but calling players who’ve done well flat track bullies was unnecessary – especially given that plenty of players failed on those exact same pitches.

        Deriding players because they haven’t succeeded at international level is petty and nonsensical.

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