I know its probably a bit left field but you know how we have the Tasman bridge? If the state government built a bridge that ran from Mac Point to Kangaroo Bluff Reserve in Bellerive would that make traffic and access to Bludstone more accessible?

Ben- With Bludstone you still have the potential the Beach Street side of the ground where the grass hill is and build a small grandstand/corporate area without overlapping onto the houses.

Apart from that though you’ve probably made the most logical throughout response I’ve heard out of anyone regarding the issue. Much of what you say actually strengthens the argument towards building the stadium at MP despite how small the capacity is going to be.
Problem is the AFL aren’t talking like that, nor the Victorian media and the Tassie public aren’t being informed either.

Not once has the AFL actually come out and addressed WHY Bludstone and York Park wouldn’t work like you have. All Tasmanians are hearing at the moment is build yourself a big expensive stadium or you don’t get a team. People don’t like being bullied or being told what to do.

I believe if more people laid out the issue like you did just then we could reach a healthy consensus on this

Christo the Daddyo to each of your points
1. I didn’t infer that, I was saying it would make more logical sense if a new stadium was built that could actually hold a decent sized crowd that competes with all the other major stadiums around the country rather than one that has the identical capacity as the 2 current AFL stadiums in the state
2. Transport can always be built, if you save $600 million by choosing to upgrade Bludstone to give it 5g wifi, better corporate facilities, higher capacity etc there would be money left over to build better transport connections to the rest of Hobart. That being said though no one had an issue driving their cars each week to Waverley for 30 years with no public transport at “VFL park”. And Mars Stadium right now has little to no public transport next to its ground in Ballarat
3. No one is saying that $700 million alone would fix the housing crisis. Its all about the image though. It makes the government appear that they are happy to throw away money at a stadium like its monopoly money but still under invest in its own people. If right now all Tasmania had was an old broken down 5000 seat venue and the $700 million was going towards a big shiny 35k stadium then Tasmanians would be more accepting but given what Tasmania already has and what is being promised it makes it seem money is being wasted.
4. The roof isn’t even one of the major points I made. It was 1 sentence in the whole article. But the whole idea in general is just extremely dumb. Football is an outdoor/winter sport, people have been used to watching it in the cold for over 100 years. All AFL stadiums including York Park and Bludstone have windbreakers too. Your no colder there than what you are at the MCG or GMHBA. All adding a roof does is blow the budget completely out. Only reason the AFL could afford a roof to go onto Docklands in the first place was due to the sale of Waverley. Tassie doesn’t have that luxury.
5. Just because something was always going to happen doesn’t make it right and so far the AFL’s investment hasn’t paid off. Crowds, TV ratings, memberships are still lowest out of any team in the league. I heard it all again on footy classified last night how Eddie, Damo, the AFL keep demanding to Tasmanians what they need because they “want to make it work” when these same people have never apologised for the disasters they created in GWS and Gold Coast

Ben so why when GWS and Gold Coast came into the AFL was there never any talk of a new stadium being built for them? why were they rushed into the league with almost no opposition and why was no one saying Carrara and Sydney Showgrounds weren’t suitable long term. 10 years later both those grounds are still hosting games? both those grounds were in far worse condition pre 2009 than what UTAS and Bludstone are now yet the AFL were happy for $100 million in upgrades to be spent on both those grounds.

Funny thing is I never said UTAS or Bludstone should host games with the condition they are in at the moment. I’m saying you could do the same as what the AFL did with GWS and GC, spend a couple of hundred million upgrading one of those 2 grounds so it has 5G wifi, better corporate facilities and a higher capacity. That is what Tasmanians are protesting about. That they know there is a far cheaper that all this could be done

Macca good to see we are actually in agreement for once!

Ah Macca good to see you again mate. Hate to brag but when I predicted 3-4 years ago that this rebuild was gonna go no where, people like you thought I’d lost my mind. Turns out everything I said about spilling the board and sacking the prez is now becoming mainstream especially amoung Carlton supporters. Have a read of this btw if you want your memory refreshed. https://www.theroar.com.au/2018/04/11/is-it-time-to-start-again/
When you have a weak minded bozo like MLG running any sporting organisation it is always destined to fail. Everything starts at the top and despite all the draft talent we’ve had and all the promise we’ve shown in patches, our current situation shows that you will Carlton will never fully reach its potential until it goes back to having a strong culture. The attitude of the president has spread like a virus to the coaches, admin and most of all the players. The new president has served on the board for the last 10 years and is nothing more than a carbon copy of the status quo. At last though it looks like an EGM is going to be called. Hopefully the board gets spilled, new people come to power, we get either Lyon or Clarkson as coach and then we create a culture with demands high standards of the players so we can create a winning culture. Then with the talent we’ve got we might actually start challenging for premierships

Gday Macca, I’m back and I can’t say I’m pleased to tell you that I have been proven completly right in everything I’ve said to you about the Carlton Football Club since the rebuild began. I said it would be a failure, I said all along that the board/coach were trying to drive false hope to the supporters rather than facing reality and I said a weak attitude and culture within the club would hold us back from winning games even once the “kids” started to grow. Well they’ve arrived and bar a few, hardly any of them have reached their full potential and improved over the last few years. Finally the media have caught onto everything I’ve been saying. I knew it would be a failure right from the beginning. We the supporters were promised “gradual improvement” year by year, yet we have gotten worse and no one has been held accountable. No one in this pathetic club has looked in the mirror and asked themselves “am I doing everything I can to bring this club back to where it belongs”. The board lives in a fantasy world, they think everything is going perfect, they think the rebuild just has to work and are too narrow minded to try anything different once their plan starts to fail. The supporters are sick of it, we are sick of seeing our football club continue to tarnish its reputation among the rest of the competition day by day, we have won 3 of our past 36 matches, we haven’t scored 100 points in our past 59 matches. However bad we were going in 2015 under Mick, we were NEVER stuck in situation we are in now. There was NO need for a rebuild in the first place both on and off the field and yes I say off it. Our soft, pethetic culture about being “nice” and “sticking together” and “being patient” has gotten us nowhere, there are mear excuses that I could see through right from the start all so the administration could buy time. No matter how badly we continue perform, this current administration is never going to change track, it us up to us to fight back. We have fools running our football club starting with the president right down to the coach and they are spreading their disease onto the players, which are trying their best but DON’T KNOW HOW TO WIN, nor are they tallented enough ever challenge for a flag. Our list overhall has produced 2 or 3 possible A grade starts and a bunch of misfits, Silvangi’s GWS obsession has failed and he needs to go if he can’t lift his game.

Macca we are the laughing stock of the AFL, when are you going to realise that our football club as it stands is barey capable of even winning a game let alone challenging for the finals. We have tried our hardest, but basic skill errors have cost us in all four games, whats worse is how we seem to play good footy for the first 2 quarters but then turn to mud when the game is on the line. This shows it is as much mental as it is physical. I was once a supporter of Bolton, but he has to go. His plan clearly isn’t working, he isn’t getting the best out of the players and doesn’t have the hard edge to get in the heads of the players like other coaches do. We need ruthless people to run our footy club to turn the promising kids into men, we need ruthless people to start recruiting aggressively and make Carlton an attractive place to come so we can get the best players rather than mediocre scraps. Like we did with Judd back in 07, we were a young team who had been on the bottom for a while due to poor administration (mainly due to Collins) but we dug ourselves out of it by bringing back the real Carlton culture once Pratt and Sticks arrived. Yeah we were hated once we poached Judd but you know what we actually started winning games and playing finals, we got a decent coach in Ratten who brought about a new confidence and swagger into the team not seen since the late 90’s.

Unfortunately we are in a similar situation as what we were in the mid 2000’s, I pray to god their is a messiah out there who can rescue this once mighty football club from the brink of disaster.

Hey Macca still waiting for a response to you on the previous Carlton article. Hopefully you’ve finally come round to realise the tragic state our footy clubs in

Gday Macca, I’m back and I can’t say I’m pleased to tell you that I have been proven completly right in everything I’ve said to you about the Carlton Football Club since the rebuild began. I said it would be a failure, I said all along that the board/coach were trying to drive false hope to the supporters rather than facing reality and I said a weak attitude and culture within the club would hold us back from winning games even once the “kids” started to grow. Well they’ve arrived and bar a few, hardly any of them have reached their full potential and improved over the last few years. Finally the media have caught onto everything I’ve been saying. I knew it would be a failure right from the beginning. We the supporters were promised “gradual improvement” year by year, yet we have gotten worse and no one has been held accountable. No one in this pathetic club has looked in the mirror and asked themselves “am I doing everything I can to bring this club back to where it belongs”. The board lives in a fantasy world, they think everything is going perfect, they think the rebuild just has to work and are too narrow minded to try anything different once their plan starts to fail. The supporters are sick of it, we are sick of seeing our football club continue to tarnish its reputation among the rest of the competition day by day, we have won 3 of our past 36 matches, we haven’t scored 100 points in our past 59 matches. However bad we were going in 2015 under Mick, we were NEVER stuck in situation we are in now. There was NO need for a rebuild in the first place both on and off the field and yes I say off it. Our soft, pethetic culture about being “nice” and “sticking together” and “being patient” has gotten us nowhere, there are mear excuses that I could see through right from the start all so the administration could buy time. No matter how badly we continue perform, this current administration is never going to change track, it us up to us to fight back. We have fools running our football club starting with the president right down to the coach and they are spreading their disease onto the players, which are trying their best but DON’T KNOW HOW TO WIN, nor are they tallented enough ever challenge for a flag. Our list overhall has produced 2 or 3 possible A grade starts and a bunch of misfits, Silvangi’s GWS obsession has failed and he needs to go if he can’t lift his game.

Macca we are the laughing stock of the AFL, when are you going to realise that our football club as it stands is barey capable of even winning a game let alone challenging for the finals. We have tried our hardest, but basic skill errors have cost us in all four games, whats worse is how we seem to play good footy for the first 2 quarters but then turn to mud when the game is on the line. This shows it is as much mental as it is physical. I was once a supporter of Bolton, but he has to go. His plan clearly isn’t working, he isn’t getting the best out of the players and doesn’t have the hard edge to get in the heads of the players like other coaches do. We need ruthless men to run our footy club to turn the promising kids into men, we need ruthless men to start recruiting aggressively and make Carlton an attractive place to come so we can get the best players rather than mediocre scraps. Like we did with Judd back in 07, we were a young team who had been on the bottom for a while due to poor administration (mainly due to Collins) but we dug ourselves out of it by bringing back the real Carlton culture once Pratt and Sticks arrived. Yeah we were hated once we poached Judd but you know what we actually started winning games and playing finals, we got a decent coach in Ratten who brought about a new confidence and swagger into the team not seen since the late 90’s.

Unfortunately we are in a similar situation as what we were in the mid 2000’s, I pray to god their is a messiah out there who can rescue this once mighty football club from the brink of disaster.

Macca, I expect a full and completely apology from you towards me. Saying I’ve “got no points” even though everything I’ve said starting from the board has to change. Carlton has a serious problem. The team is disastrous and as for the players we have let go.. well you could literally make a supercoach team of the guys we’ve gotten rid of. Betts, Waite, Kennedy, Jacobs, Gibbs, Garlett, Henderson, Touhy.

If you’ve been up to date with the media today you’ll find a lot of Carlton fans have SIMPLY had enough with being such a shithouse football club. To lose week after week the way we have with no heart, no effort and no passion for the Carlton jersey is most disturbing. These are the same fans you said quote “have to change”. Perhaps you have to change and start seeing through the crap which our board is saying.

Even after another heavy defeat like last night, where is the message of encouragement from this lunatic? Where is the apology to the blues fans for having to watch this garbage week after week? And you reckon I’ve got no idea? If your saying that then your saying basically the whole footy world outside the footy club has no idea. So come on Macca, put things right and apologise to me and admit your wrong. Especially for calling me the “ult right” and saying that someone like me would make us extinct. We virtually are at the moment and literally become the 2018 version of Fitzroy..

Interesting, MattybRaps I’ve read is seen to be of a spoilt, arrogant sort of child.

Wrong again Macca, your becoming consistant.

The article is basically stating all my points and arguments I’ve been saying for the last day here. How we made mistakes in the past going back years and because of those mistakes it has resulted in the relatively new administration of Louguidence and co making some very un-Carlton like changes, including rebuilding which in the process has lost our status at a “Big 4” club and are unlikely to ever return to that.

These changes lost not just our identity but also our fans too.
Unlike his article though which is written from a neutral’s perspective, I have actually outlined proposals to make us a big 4 club once again, reuinite the blues fans in this tough period and at the same time bringing about sustained success. It seems however you are incapable for reading between my lines which is a skill I was taught back in high school but you obviously haven’t learned so here is a summary of what I hinted at in 1800 words….

1. Sack the board
2. Trade aggressively (unlike with Gibbs)
3. Stop relying on the draft
4. Build a core team by not delisting players year after year
5. Listen to the supporters needs (through membership forums etc)
6. Stop playing home games at Etihad stadium
7. Have a message that is echoed from the board, to the coaches, to the players and then to the supporters- EVERYONE ON THE SAME PAGE
8. Talk to the media more so they understand what we are doing

And yes ALL these things are achievable with a strong board and yes they would help the club, in fact make the club even stronger. All I have outlined is mixing the attitudes of Collingwood/Essendon, applying them with the onfield attitude of Geelong/Hawthorn and topped it all off with the historical views of Carlton. Not that hard Macca…

Have a read of this Macca,

Seems I’m not alone in what I say: https://www.theroar.com.au/2018/04/11/carlton-hype-good-bad-fake-news/

But Col if you have got a membership card wouldn’t that make you a member?

Hmm, not too sure what you mean by that Matty.

I feel like you’ve confused my definition of supporter vs barracker so I’m not too sure what your trying to say here…

Seems to be about a different issue to what I was saying, but there are a lot of blues fans too who aren’t members simply because they can’t afford it, live in other states, can’t get to games, it doesn’t make them love the club any less though. I’ll let you decide what category these people fall in because it seems to be a different definition to mine.

Thanks Matty, glad you can see where I am coming from.

Its interesting too about supporters and barrackers, never really looked at it that way. Of course I’d consider myself more of a supporter because I can see things from both points of view and use that to construct whether the current plan is doing the best possible thing for our footy club.

Macca, perfectly fits the barracker, which is why he sides with the footy club in all his discussions. He reckons I’ve got no evidence or points even though I’ve got a 1,800 word article and a days worth of comments all out laying my points?? It seems he can’t see things from anyone elses point of view other than his own.

Ok I think we’ll leave things there

You seem to have completely missed my point which is the problem with our administration and why there are so many disinterested Carlton fans around.

Well ok he might have been a winger/forward, but he was better than many of the current players.

And yes O’Brian, De Koning and Kennedy may be crumbs if they end up getting delisted like we seem to have done with all our other recruits over the last few years. I feel for Kennedy because he is another one in the GWS package who will probably get delisted like the other ones we’ve had and bring in another batch of draft picks..

Your arguments echo the club and you seem to support the clubs policies which is ok as everyone is entitled to their opinion. It would be interesting to see your reaction however if we had someone in office who thought like me. How did you think back in the 90’s and 80’s mate? Did you support the Elliott administration like you support this one or were you still the ult left of the Carlton football club back then as well?
As for ult right, well, I’d rather call it loving my football club Macca and I suggest you do too.

Grant Ashton don’t think you are alone. You are just like most Carlton fans I have spoken too. Macca lives in a dazed, delusional world. Unfortunately all this board does is dream, they can’t guarantee anything and have taken some risks which don’t seem to be paying off. They are only saying these things in hope that they will quickly turn around and will continue to say them in 5 years time when we are still fumbling around on the bottom of the ladder.

What Macca doesn’t mention but I am happy you have, is the reserves… They got belted on the weekend, yet I don’t think all the players are bad though, I think when you have weak losers around the footy club delivering weak uninspiring messages week after week it starts to effect all players and is why players always seem to be better once they pull on another clubs jersey. Bolton is a smart man, however he is forced to say this garbage about being patient each week guided to him from the board.

These current clowns don’t listen to us at all, they don’t understand us and they don’t understand our footy club. This “patience” process may wash on St Kilda fans, but never has and never will on Carlton fans.

Unfortunately Grant the current leadership are all talk and no action and are incapable of making things happen. But don’t worry, myself and and a small group of friends are in contact with some former Carlton legends at the moment and if things keep up how they are on field then we will fight hard to overthrow the board and appoint a new administration who WILL LISTEN to Carlton fans, make Carlton a feared power once again and will quickly bring about SUSTAINED success at Carlton to deliver a our 17th flag as quickly as possible to bring the club back to where it belongs. I guarantee, in writing, once the a tougher administration takes over the players will start playing for the jumper and you my friend will love your club once again!!

I’m glad you asked andyl112. I consider our supporters exactly the same as those 2 clubs, if not more desired for intermediate success. Unfortunately over the years the media has labelled us the worst of those 2 and have continuously called for a change in culture which is another factor of this current “soft leadership” unlike Collingwood and Essendon who have been able to attract fans year after year despite not being much better than Carlton in the last 15 years.

As well as being a long time blues fan, I’ve been studying the fans of AFL football for the last 5 years now and after surveying many fans at the footy for that period of time, the results have been pretty consistent that despite the rebuild and the boards cause for a change of culture that Carlton fans have kept the same attitude. When I posed on a scale of 1 to 10 asking Carlton fans how “important is short term success?” in 2013 I got an 8/10 on average and asking this week at the Collingwood game I still got an average of 6/10 despite the messages and many blues fans were not approving of the current board. Compare that with Melbourne fans I asked at the MCG last year who on average only said 2/10. Carlton fans have always been a different breed because they are used to success, yet our board are completely oblivious to these stats. When your losing games, somehow the board has to keep Carlton fans motivated and at the moment they haven’t been doing a good job.

We often use the term “big 4” clubs which Carlton used to be apart of. Yet despite 5 years on the bottom of the ladder between 2002-2007 Carlton were still considered a big 4 club because from 2004 onward there was that hope among blues fans which the board delivered that the good times would return, however it has only been during the Louguidence administration that Carlton’s place in the “big 4” has been seriously questioned. I guarantee it is not just because of results either.

In essence we actually got Lachie O’Brian and Tom De Konging. I highly doubt either of them will turn out to be as good as Gibbs. How am I rediclious for saying I would have preferred Bryce Gibbs in a Carlton jersey than 2 draftees who probably won’t even play AFL football this year???!!!

Macca, I like having these discussions as we can both challenge each others opinions openly, however I’d suggest instead of blindly siding with what our club says, it would be smarter if you actually had some thoughts for your self instead of just believing everything the club wants you to think. Perhaps you should start questioning everything that has happened over the last few years and ask yourself, is this the best thing for our footy club? Is it worth damaging our reputation this much just for a faded hope that somehow we’ll rise up the ladder in the next few years and win the flag. Or would it be better to stop wasting precious time which other clubs are using to get further ahead of us and devise a new plan which will give blues fans more hope in the foreseeable future than just Charlie Curnow.

They are manipulating you mate and it has completely clouded your thinking and in the process you’ve lost touch with reality which has been proven with the Gibbs argument. But I am going to help you see thinks for what they are so you can get a grip and see these anti Carlton people for who they are and help overthrow the board.

Is that actually in the clubs constitution? I never knew that..

Then how come Elliott lasted 20 years?? Seems a bit odd

2012 was not Ratten’s fault, I’m with you there. Ratten was a very good coach and was extremely cross to see him go considering all the injuries we had, but still Kernahan knew the Carlton fans. He said “top 4” at the start of the year and failed to deliver. No one at the end of 2012 Col thought Mick would be the disaster he was. He was a proven premiership coach from a few years back and most of us thought he’d be the cream on top to winning a flag. It wasn’t to be, but that happens in footy, still with a decent coach like we have now, I don’t know why so much has had to change.

I’m not going to go on and on about Princes Park, but I will say that if the club invested into making it a 35K stadium then it would be perfect for AFL games. It would probably only cost a bit more than the current upgrade anyway.

“While our on field success over the last 2 and a bit seasons under Bolton has not been great, the club did advise members it would be 3 years at least before our rebuild would see us competing for higher ladder positions.”- That message doesn’t wash too well with a lot of Carlton fans I’m afraid. Its not like that went to a member vote either, it was just an idea which a few individuals came up with and thought it would be best for our footy club. With long term ambitions like that you can’t say its been successful either.

Bolton is delivering a good game plan Macca which his players haven’t been able to execute properly. I do like the idea of defence first and focusing more on attack this season. I like the logic a lot but have been disgusted in how the lads have executed it.

When you say “delisted”, I don’t remember restricting it to that wording in my article. I meant overall including trades which is a hole we’ve only tried to fill in the draft. Only exceptions I’ll make in this are retirees.

Troy Menzel- Quality small forward, kicked over a goal a game, should never have let him go to Adelaide

Dylan Buckley- One of my favourite players, young too, still baffles me why we’d delist such a young talent in favor of another one who will take longer to develop?

Blain Boakhurst- A top draft pick, again no explanation why he was delisted, could have been a star by now..

Chris Yarren- Tallented half back flanker, speedy, would have starred in Boltons game plan unlike Micks

Liam Sumner- Played some really good games across the half back line last year with Plowman, not sure what happened to him either?

Bryce Gibbs- Should have played hard ball with him, another sign of weakness from our club, arguably our best player and we just let him go for crumbs

All these players by now could have been genuinely B grade players (in Gibbs case A grade) if we’d been smarter with out list and not turned over so many players. The rebuild could have been complete by now if we’d hang on to some of those 2015 players. Yet we decided to start all over again. I’ll forever maintain that many of those players had bad years cause of Malthouse yet our board never saw it that way and decided to make drastic decisions which have lead to a much longer rebuild than it should have been.

Thanks for the feedback Paul, really do appreciate it. I’m pleased too that you do challenge my points which I spent a lot of time researching which have really been the key points as a supporter like myself feels towards the current situation. I was hoping for a higher rating, but at the same time I can understand why you’d give it a 3. I probably did wander and go a bit off script at times so it was a bit hard to understand my general gist too so it is easy to attack certain points.

I was really trying to get the broad point of view out there as best as I could so you’d understand where I’m coming from. Carlton fans do think differently then other clubs fans based on a past attitude which involved winning at all costs. Administrations such as the Harris/Elliott ones which lasted 40 years shaped the attitude of our footy club and did bring about results, it also shaped our supporters. You’ll understand some of this more by reading this article from a few months ago: https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/why-blues-fans-lack-the-fire-of-the-tigers-20180216-p4z0lz.html

Yet I am challenging the fact that Carlton needs a new type of supporter, I believe that it is very hard to change the way people think and that there are probably up to 20,000 blues fans who have lost interest in the club. People who think this was would become even more disinterested when the club is on a rebuild and delivering a “patience” game. My solution is for the club on the outside to have an attitude which is appealing to the older generation fans while at the same time continuing the rebuild. I GUARANTEE that if we used a bit of the old Carlton to appeal to the fans then they would be a bit more patient and we could actually buy some more time to do the job properly. Unfortunately if the board keeps going on and on about rebuilding and not winning games than those statements will just grow the impatience of fans.

Go back to 1991. Carlton was in trouble and the fans were growing impatient, the blues wouldn’t win the flag until 1995, 4 years! The club went 8 years without any success. Yet Elliott used the smart ploy by saying to the fans “We don’t rebuild at Carlton, but we could do with a bloody good renovation”. Those words got fans believing and I think it got the players believing too. We bought in a lot of new players around that time like today, many of the stars from the 80’s had retired and in the early 90’s bought in kids such as McKay, Kouta, Ratten, Sexton, Christou….
Yet despite doing a similar thing today, the fans don’t seem to be believing and when the fans don’t believe the players will stop believing. I remember Elliott also used to go into the change rooms and encourage the players as well, while our current President hardly speaks to them at all. Just little things like that would make the world of difference.

In short, in order for Carlton to continue its rebuild smoothly it must win its supporters back to unite the club once again. What we need is energy within the club once again to feed the Carlton tribe with that feeling of success even when it isn’t apparent like Eddie is doing with Collingwood despite having a list no better than ours. I am convinced that our current board are incapable of that. Only the strong survive at Carlton and you can’t say Louguidence is a man of strength.

Hope that helps get my point across Paul. Also this is the document of the blueprint (http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2011-03-10/the-blue-print) again something our board hasn’t even thought to follow.

Well I hate to disappoint you Macca, but as for “this year was always going to be a bottom 4 finish.” I don’t think anyone in the media expected the club to go backwards and even if they did it wouldn’t have been at the rates we have losing to both Gold Coast and Collingwood (bottom 4 teams in my opinion).

On the 27th of February, Bolton said this “This year is about having absolutely no ceiling,” ““I’ve never heard our players more passionate including Murph, Cripps, Simpson and Docherty.”, “We want to climb and we want to climb quickly.”. If you are right that the internal message within the club was a bottom 4 finish, then there must be some sort of break down between coach, board and players.

Also have you been watching shows such as Talking Footy and Footy Clasified? Caro was ripping into us about our list management decisions, Lloyd said “there are a lot of Carlton supporters who are frustrated and upset by the development” and Judd (from a board perspective btw) was making excuses to cover up how slow the development has been which comes back to the things I said in my article. Macca- the experts think our club is a joke and doesn’t seem to be going anywhere in the future. I don’t agree with all of it but saying we should be banished from Friday night games etc is really disappointing that we’ve have a system in place, no matter what happens in the long term, which has allowed us to be seen in such a shocking way throughout the last 4 years.

If your claiming to know more about this Carlton team than me, the journo’s, former players, “impatient” Carlton supporters and the wider footy public then you’ll be proven to be some sort of genius that should be on these footy shows, because unfortunately mate, apart from the true blues fans, no one can see it and most reckon our “rebuild” has gone backwards.