Victory beat Roar in lopsided FFA Cup tie


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    The arrival of ex-Italian international Massimo Maccarone could not stop Melbourne Victory thrashing Brisbane Roar 5-1 in their FFA Cup Round of 32 clash at Perry Park.

    Former Roar striker Besart Berisha bagged a double in front of 3184 fans as Brisbane bowed out at the knockout pre-season tournament’s same stage for the third straight season.

    In other FFA Cup results, new Adelaide United coach Marco Kurz celebrated a 1-0 win over Ernie Merrick’s Newcastle Jets after a Michael Marrone’s second-half header.

    Bentleigh Greens – the 2014 FFA Cup semi-finalists – downed Hume City 4-1 on penalties after scores were level 1-1 at regulation time.

    And Sydney United thrashed FNQ Heat 7-2, the most goals in a FFA Cup match that did not go to extra time.

    Melbourne Victory and Adelaide United are two of five A-League clubs left in the competition.

    Maccarone failed to shine on competitive debut for Brisbane after receiving a visa clearance, coming on in the 61st minute with the hosts trailing 4-0.

    Brisbane have high hopes for the 37-year-old Maccarone’s combination with Brett Holman in attack this season.

    However, the pair had little impact against a strong Victory outfit boasting Berisha, James Troisi, Mark Milligan, Kosta Barbarouses and Rhys Williams.

    In their first FFA Cup clash since the competition’s 2014 inception, Brisbane had hoped to turn the tables on the Victory after they were bounced out in last season’s semi-finals by the Melbourne outfit.

    “I thought we were good value on a very difficult surface,” Victory coach Kevin Muscat said.

    “I don’t want to whinge, because that will be the headline, but for an A-League team to produce that surface at a venue … you don’t expect that.”

    Roar coach John Aloisi was more upset with two penalties in as many minutes early in the second half that blew the scoreline out to 4-0.

    Berisha sealed his double in the 48th minute from the spot – his 12th goal in 13 FFA Cup games – before Mark Milligan (50th) made the Roar pay for a Jade North handball.

    “There were two penalties and I don’t know how he has given them – he has completely ruined the game,” Aloisi said.

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    • August 10th 2017 @ 5:48am
      Waz said | August 10th 2017 @ 5:48am | ! Report

      This is one of the most disgraceful results/performances by Roar in their history. It’s clear Aloisi does not take the FFA Cup seriously and just treats it as part of pre-season.

      The three at the back experiment exposed them last night, and was rapidly changed to 4 immediately after the first goal where Brown was found out of position for about the fifth time in 20 minutes.

      Kristensen then gifted a second goal before two penalties in two minutes at the start of the second half killed the game off. Roars defence has the same frayalties as last season and the coaching team haven’t a defensive coaches bone amongst them.

      Allowing for the fact this was an exierimental side starting three teenagers, with a 3-4-something formation (it was hard to pick what the front was doing but it looked like Holman was playing right wing?) playing a strong but not-yet complete Victory it’s hard to find positives in this. There were some, you could see a distinct style of play being attempted which involved a hard press all across the field and rapid play of the ball (which turned possession over frequently including leading too the second penalty but when it did work it looked good). But none of this is good enough if you can’t defend, Victiry had 6/7 real chances last night and scored five; Roar 4 or 5 for one – but Skapetis does look the real deal, there – another positive.

      But the end conclusion is Roar gave this match the same respect as the Pen Power game on Saturday – which is not much – they talk about the season starting in October when in reality it started yesterday. The backlash from fans has been massive including calls for a refund on last nights game and a boycott of next seasons FFA Cup, Roar just killed any momentum they were trying to build for the new season.

      • August 10th 2017 @ 6:01am
        Realist said | August 10th 2017 @ 6:01am | ! Report

        Quote from Holman as reported yesterday “The main goal was to be ready for Wednesday, not to build up for the beginning of the A-League season.”

        • August 10th 2017 @ 6:29am
          Waz said | August 10th 2017 @ 6:29am | ! Report

          Yeah, that’s getting replayed a few times this morning lol.

          Fans have consistently said the club don’t treat the FFA Cup seriously which is something they vigorously deny but on the evidence of the last 3 seasons it’s looking increasingly likely.

          When the game was announced a month back the Roar club website ran a promo story for the game; in it, it described this victory game as “a useful hit-out ahead of the season starting in October” … now that type of comment is common with Roar referring to the ffa Cup, they did it the past two years too. It’s a “pre-season Cup” not the season itself.

          Now ironically what followed in the comments section was a fair bit of fan banter about Roar not taking the competition seriously including from myself. Later that day I got a call from a club official (who shall remain nameless) criticising me and the other fans for saying Roar don’t taker it seriously. Worse still the story was then edited to take out the offensive remarks making the ten or so comments look rather strange as people had used “direct quotes” that were no longer there. You can bet those people will be commenting on line today.

          It’s Aloisi’s right to use the competition as a stepping stone to the new season, but he’s out of step with what fans want for the FFA Cup. And there were families there last night that copped $100+ for the privilege of watching Roar play a practice match (the 5-1 result shows only one side was practising mind you). My kid walked out at the end with me and said “I don’t want to come to the FFA Cup next year Dad”. Priceless. And yet we go to every pre-season friendly, every ACL game, every A League game, home games in Cairns, away trips when we can … but he doesn’t want to do the ffa Cup next year lol

          • August 10th 2017 @ 7:58am
            Neil said | August 10th 2017 @ 7:58am | ! Report

            I feel your pain as I took off work to get to the match.

      • August 10th 2017 @ 8:54am
        Buddy said | August 10th 2017 @ 8:54am | ! Report

        Waz, following same logic from earlier results doesn’t it now mean that Roar, Glory and Mariners will all struggle this season? Surely someone will kick off the debate for us?

        • August 10th 2017 @ 9:36am
          Waz said | August 10th 2017 @ 9:36am | ! Report

          there’s plenty drawing wrong conclusions already lol.

          Two things I took from last night – our attitude to the ffa Cup stinks and it’s an insult to the competition; the back 3 concept is causing Roar the same problems it caused Ange; if there’s a third, it’s that Skapetis is a gun!

          • August 10th 2017 @ 10:00am
            Lionheart said | August 10th 2017 @ 10:00am | ! Report

            on one goal? at the 90th minute?
            Prasad scored a beauty too, and we released him.

            • August 10th 2017 @ 11:06am
              Waz said | August 10th 2017 @ 11:06am | ! Report

              Not on one goal. On his last performances pre-roar, on his performance last night, on his performance against Pen Power. He’ll be a gun this season.

              • August 10th 2017 @ 3:06pm
                Lionheart said | August 10th 2017 @ 3:06pm | ! Report

                fair enough – I didn’t realise he played in the Redcliffe game. I’ve read that he trialled in the UK, and research shows me he’s played for Australia junior teams, but where else has he played in Aus?

              • August 10th 2017 @ 5:09pm
                Waz said | August 10th 2017 @ 5:09pm | ! Report

                He’s been under the radar as he left directly to join an EPL club (Stoke) as a kid but injuries hampered him. Hence he’s at Roar.

              • August 10th 2017 @ 6:09pm
                Lionheart said | August 10th 2017 @ 6:09pm | ! Report

                hope he works out, sure was a nice goal

          • August 10th 2017 @ 12:24pm
            j,binnie said | August 10th 2017 @ 12:24pm | ! Report

            Waz – “The back 3 concept is causing Roar the same problems it caused Angie” ,
            Why stick at Ange?,Van Gaal tried it with the Netherlands and Man.Utd, and Mourhino had the same problems at Chelsea, while in both those instances there were unlimited funds used to try and make it a success.
            Along comes Conte,makes a few shrewd signings and,Chelsea rule the roost using a back 3.
            It’s all about the players and who you get to fill the positions.
            Roar have 3 experienced centre-backs,one now a veteran,and one would think those 3 could make a fist of a “new” system but if it were that easy surely Van Gaal and Mourhino would have succeeded
            Somehow I suspect you know deep down it is not a smart move with this Roar squad. Cheers jb.

            • August 10th 2017 @ 12:27pm
              Waz said | August 10th 2017 @ 12:27pm | ! Report

              Well said jb. Fully agree.

            • August 10th 2017 @ 6:41pm
              buddy said | August 10th 2017 @ 6:41pm | ! Report

              JB – I have to say I don’t really buy the whole back three deal – at least not at Chelsea. For most of last season they played Azpilqueta Luiz and Cahill as a back three – yes I don’t deny. But then Matic and Kante sitting in front of them both pretty outstanding defenders in their own right which to my mind gives them a back five with flexibility. Azpil can attack down the flanks, Matic up the middle and Kante was everywhere due to his fitness and willingness to run and Luiz – well he’s a maverick!
              You then had a midfield of four with a lone striker usually in the form of Costa. However, at that level the link up came with Hazard and Fabregas or Moses or Pedro or Alonso or Kante and even Matic – look who was lurking for that goal against Tottenham.
              The way it is presented is as a bold attacking move only playing 3 at the back whereas all too often it was the opposite and made a five man wall that was very difficult to break down. The reason why JT didn’t feature much was that the formation requires intensity and really good levels of fitness and stamina which undoubtedly those players have and they had age on their side although Cahill gets found out every so often……… but there is an enormous difference between that set up, the Socceroos and the A League. It isn’t so much an argument though just a different way of looking at that set up I suppose.

              • August 10th 2017 @ 9:22pm
                j,binnie said | August 10th 2017 @ 9:22pm | ! Report

                buddy – Don’t get your point. You say you don’t agree and then go on to describe the Chelsea “make up” of 3-4-3 naming most of the players in their respective positions.. Forget where the midfielders play ,that is the fluid area of the pitch where most of the work is done whether defending or attacking so it stands to reason there will be lots of player movement in that area. Cheers jb.

              • August 11th 2017 @ 7:59am
                Buddy said | August 11th 2017 @ 7:59am | ! Report

                JB – sorry, it was a bit vague but overall I’d suggest they are really playing a back five and 5-4-1 disguised as 3-4-3. The objective is a solid defence whereas 3-4-3 usually suggests an attacking motive. The difference being that with the resources available to the club they have some of the very best players to work with and it looks as though it works……. so many started to copy!

              • August 11th 2017 @ 11:21am
                j,binnie said | August 11th 2017 @ 11:21am | ! Report

                Buddy – It has long been known that up to 80% of the play actually takes place in what coaches term “the middle third” so it should not surprise you when you see a coach use a system that sees this area “swamped ” with players thus making it easier to win back and retain possession of the ball.
                Forget the “numbers game”, chess is played on a board and requires the player to make a move. Thankfully we have not reached that point yet. Cheers jb..

    • Roar Pro

      August 10th 2017 @ 6:55am
      David McDaniel said | August 10th 2017 @ 6:55am | ! Report

      I ‘m glad I couldn’t go to the game, that would have been depressing………

    • August 10th 2017 @ 7:55am
      Neil said | August 10th 2017 @ 7:55am | ! Report

      That performance as left me shell shocked, I call for Moore’s and Aloisi’s sacking. The owners need to take charge or end up losing a lot of fans.

      • August 10th 2017 @ 12:42pm
        Realist said | August 10th 2017 @ 12:42pm | ! Report

        I am sure whoever is in charge of the supporter’s club will be demanding responses/apologies from the club or even some type of gesture from the club to keep the fans onside. With each passing day, the club is straying further and further down a path of self destruction.

    • August 10th 2017 @ 8:27am
      Nemesis said | August 10th 2017 @ 8:27am | ! Report

      Last week, Perth Glory were written off after losing 0-1 away in the FFA Cup, albeit to a semi-pro team.

      Victory will be happy with the performance, although they probably would’ve got a tougher workout against Bentleigh Greens. The sooner we get Pro/Rel implemented, the sooner all clubs will start to push themselves to succeed.

      Ro16 has some sumptuous match-ups – at State level and ALeague level

      Bankstown Berries V Sydney FC
      Bentleigh Greens V WSW
      Blacktown City V APIA Leichhardt
      Hakoah Syd City East V Melbourne City
      Moreton Bay Utd V Gold Coast City
      Sth Melbourne FC V Sorrento
      Sydney Utd V Heidelberg Utd

      • August 10th 2017 @ 8:48am
        j,binnie said | August 10th 2017 @ 8:48am | ! Report

        Nemesis- What does pro/rel have to do with how a club treat the FFA Cup?. There is no connection whatsoever.
        Last night showed up weaknesses and strengths in the management teams of both identities.
        Victory have signed three international class players to replace others who have departed.. Williams ,Milligan, and Barbarousas would, under anyone’s description, be classed as tried and tested HAL and internatonal players thus strengthening the squad if anything.
        Roar on the other hand have seen their leading goalscorer of recent seasons,McLaren, their hard working winger and midfielder Borello and Petratos, and “marquee to be” Tommy Oar,depart, and to replace them we have Maccarone,(an unknown quantity till he acclimatises,), Oxborrow Pepper, and Camiero players already with extensive experience at other HAL clubs but who have been moved on by those same clubs.
        What does that say about Roar’s ambition??
        The Cup???. It is going along quite nicely with “local” fans turning up in regular numbers to watch their team take on the “big boys”
        Did Perth Glory,CCM,Roar or Jets go on to the fields content to regard these games as a “”run on”.
        I seriously doubt that very much. Cheers jb.

        • August 10th 2017 @ 8:56am
          Nemesis said | August 10th 2017 @ 8:56am | ! Report

          jb, the simple fact is the ALeague is a close-shop & this means coaches are under minimal pressure to succeed. Even the players – if they’re established – they know they’ll not be sacked & if they are sacked they’ll pick up a job at another ALeague club.

          Playing Brisbane away is one of the toughest road trips in AUS football. I’d need to check, but I’d say Brisbane has one of the best home records across the ALeague.

          Last night was the most disinterested I’ve seen any Brisbane team. I’ve no doubt Brisbane will improve by October (as will CCM & Perth), but, if there was the pressure of Pro/Rel on teams then every competitive match would be taken seriously – as if their future careers depended on the result.

          • Roar Pro

            August 10th 2017 @ 9:00am
            David McDaniel said | August 10th 2017 @ 9:00am | ! Report

            I agree with that, the same thing happens in Europe when mid table clubs with nothing to play for face relegation threatened clubs who need to win to survive and lose.

            For teams who will not make the finals what incentive do they actually have?

            • August 10th 2017 @ 10:40am
              Ken Spacey said | August 10th 2017 @ 10:40am | ! Report

              So why hasn’t the AFL and the NRL collapsed then? The AFL even take it a step further by rewarding lower teams for their failure. We can all laugh at Wenger for collecting FA cups and failing in the tite race and in Europe but it is still better to win any trophy than win nothing. If Roar aren’t motivated to win this what does it for them? As a scarred Reds supporter I’d suggest the last team you want to get owned by is MV.

          • August 10th 2017 @ 10:03am
            Lionheart said | August 10th 2017 @ 10:03am | ! Report

            Roar should be relegated from the FFA Cup and made to qualify from further back, not automatically enter at the Round of 32.

        • August 10th 2017 @ 9:24am
          Waz said | August 10th 2017 @ 9:24am | ! Report


          What does Roars signings have to do with last night – Aloisi didn’t start any of them.

          We had three teenagers out there, trialling a new back 3 formation (new for Roar)

          Aloisi treated this game in the same way he treated the Pen Power game at the weekend – questions over the new signings will come later.

          But I will predict this now:

          Skapetis >>> MacLaren

          • August 10th 2017 @ 10:04am
            Lionheart said | August 10th 2017 @ 10:04am | ! Report

            so Aloisi didn’t sign the teenagers? who did?

          • August 10th 2017 @ 12:08pm
            j,binnie said | August 10th 2017 @ 12:08pm | ! Report

            Waz – It doesn’t matter a damn whether the 3 new signings started in last night’s game .one has to assume that the signings were made with a view to improving the team as a whole.
            I didn’t see the game last night so what I was analysing was Roar’s attitude,not towards the FFA Cup, but to the overall improvement of their squad.
            For two or three seasons now Roar have been suspect in their wing back positions.The lad’s being used try hard but in my mind are developing into what I term “tradesmen players” never quite reaching their promise. Last night’s opening 2 goals were scored by or from “wing action”, so it may be that those are two areas that still need attention. The “pass ” that set up Victory’s second goal may never happen again during the season but last night it “sold out” a defensive line.
            Let’s hope your prediction for Skapetis comes true,but if that’s all you see that needs attention in this team then I fear the worst for the coming season. We can but hope. Cheers jb.

            • August 10th 2017 @ 12:48pm
              Waz said | August 10th 2017 @ 12:48pm | ! Report

              I wished you’d seen the game jb. There would be much to discuss. In a nutshell: victory had their stuff together, did the basics well and hardly broke a sweat. Roar huffed and puffed, played some quick, fancy stuff but could not find a clinical pass or keep the defence shut.

              • August 10th 2017 @ 1:18pm
                j,binnie said | August 10th 2017 @ 1:18pm | ! Report

                Waz – I very seldom discuss games I haven’t watched but there are a few people I believe when they put their thoughts on paper. You are one of those,though at times you do wear your heart on your sleeve.
                Re. your description of last night. You could have been describing Roar for the last two seasons as they struggled to convert their undoubted possession stats into goals.
                If they had improved that by just 20 or 30% they would have won championships.
                However, you and I both know that type of improvement is easier said than done. Cheers jb.

    • Roar Pro

      August 10th 2017 @ 8:58am
      David McDaniel said | August 10th 2017 @ 8:58am | ! Report

      We rested 2 central defenders and played a defensive midfielder there which means we were weak in defence and midfield.

      I accept that we did not treat it seriously enough which is a shame. this competition needs more teams to take it seriously and to do that in needs to start closer to the start of the season.

      2 months before is just a joke in regards to getting players at their peak. they are supposed to be at peak fitness then hold that fitness for 6- 8 months?

      • August 10th 2017 @ 9:25am
        Nemesis said | August 10th 2017 @ 9:25am | ! Report

        “they are supposed to be at peak fitness then hold that fitness for 6- 8 months?”

        Well, they’re full-time professionals whose job is to train every day. Normal people work 11 months per year and get 4 weeks vacation.

        • Roar Pro

          August 10th 2017 @ 9:36am
          David McDaniel said | August 10th 2017 @ 9:36am | ! Report

          Sorry, but I disagree. Every professional club in the world (generalisation) shape their trianing to have their players at peak performance for the main competitions. Keeping the high level of fitness consistent for a long period of time is simply not sustainable.

          • August 10th 2017 @ 9:46am
            Nemesis said | August 10th 2017 @ 9:46am | ! Report

            Well, it’s the same for all teams. There shouldn’t be any significant disparity between the fitness of any 2 teams playing in the same league in the same country. If anything, it’s often been said Brisbane are always a supremely fit team because their core training is done in more humid & oppressive conditions than the southern based teams.

            • August 10th 2017 @ 10:07am
              Lionheart said | August 10th 2017 @ 10:07am | ! Report

              totally agree Nemesis, it’s the same for all A League teams.
              Roar has no excuse for that quite disgraceful performance.

    • August 10th 2017 @ 9:57am
      Lionheart said | August 10th 2017 @ 9:57am | ! Report

      I don’t accept the logic some have used that Roar played an understrength team. It’s a squad game, every player matters. We learn that every season with injuries and ACL games.
      For Aloisi to call out the ref on the penalties, saying that changed the game, he’s kidding. Even if true, he had plenty of time to change the game back, not complain afterward.
      The game is no indicator of the season ahead, but it is a massive indicator of the support Roar is likely to achieve in Brisbane, and Roar’s membership numbers, which will not be showing any improvement on preceding years.

      I’ve got to say that I found the night all round disappointing. My Foxtel stream didn’t work (despite my premium membership) and I suffered badly from that continuous horn sound on the televised game. When I was tuned in all I heard were former Roar players doing it for other clubs. Prasad is a gem and I wish him well, although I do think we kept the better of his group (albeit, they haven’t proved that yet).

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