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😂 he won’t even have to feed the horse.

I think he is a great player, but my thoughts on his contract are along the lines of the second paragraph.

The staggering part was the last paragraph. What an epic fail for professional rugby administration in Australia.

'That would be massive': Slipper sets sights on fourth World Cup, and Wallabies caps record, after new deal

JP is one, Joey Walton is the one who is top of mind.

It is also a problem in NRL with players going into the 20s from school, and then into senior grade.

There may not be much you can do about it either, the resilience of cartilage and bone may be an individual by individual factor. We used to say you can’t put in, what God left out.

The great unknown: Will Super Rugby Pacific give the game the stability it craves?

Sounds religious Brett, you may have been elevated.

The great unknown: Will Super Rugby Pacific give the game the stability it craves?

Maybe that is what they are doing. But that is like Castle asking the broadcasters what they would like to broadcast, and how much they will pay. The RA Board should be the experts on rugby and the market for rugby in Australia. If they do not know, then who does?

My biggest fear is that we come up with the best possible plan and it is rejected. What then?

They will do what the English clubs did, and massively backload the deal so that a higher revenue share (increase 27% to 45% when a revenue threshold is reached) is paid to PE down the track.

That might be OK in a competition, you just lower the player costs in that competition. I am very sceptical about that where we are talking about funding the whole sport in the entire country.

The great unknown: Will Super Rugby Pacific give the game the stability it craves?

It is the long hard graft of understanding the audience and marketing the game. The cost is in inspiration and perspiration, not throwing money at it.

We have had 27 years where the solution is more money. 27 years of asking the wrong questions?

The great unknown: Will Super Rugby Pacific give the game the stability it craves?

Hooper did not have plans to go overseas. What do you do when you are offered that sort of contract?

Tell the person offering it that they are a clown for creating this situation, and it is a really dumb idea anyway?

I can’t recall Cheika’s situation, while they prematurely extended, I doubt if the WR Coach of the Year in 2015 would not have got a new 4 year contract. One instance of RA getting it right, maybe?

The big problem is the lack of development plan for coaches. Eddie just rode along on Macqueen’s coat tails, Connolly was a safe pair of hands at the end of his career to take us to 2007, no Australian coach available in 2008, one available in 2013, one available in 2014, none available in 2019.

'That would be massive': Slipper sets sights on fourth World Cup, and Wallabies caps record, after new deal

You know you want to Ken.

All paths are leading to a Roar Rugby Reincarnation.

I look forward to front row recollections from Buddha’s Other Stomach.

'That would be massive': Slipper sets sights on fourth World Cup, and Wallabies caps record, after new deal

An influx of cash is required Brett, but putting that to the side, it is just not acceptable to accept money from a borrower or investor without concrete plans. Vague plans about competitions they might run should not cut it. Especially where it is a vital competition for the future of the game, but the returns are down the track.

I am very tired of listening to RA bleat on about not being able to do something until they get PE money in. They should not have to make plans or have visions until COVID is over? There is a heap of stuff they could do for nothing or at low cost.

If they were to issue debentures to the public or borrow for the bank they would have to have a convincing story on what they are going to do with the money, and how it was to be repaid. It would be scary that the PE deal is such a rolled gold money spinner, that they could not care less what RA do.

The great unknown: Will Super Rugby Pacific give the game the stability it craves?

Probably not Carlos, but it would depend on how many games are required on rotation and how many bench minutes.

Our schoolboys definitely do not play enough, and then they mostly miss grade, which are games at a lower intensity. Side question: is it a good thing for players, no matter how good, to go straight to super rugby before fully physically developed?

According to Wikipedia, Mack Hansen has played 42 games in four years in Australia, and already 9 for Connaught. We should probably play less in the SH, ground hardness is an issue, but we still need a lot more games.

The great unknown: Will Super Rugby Pacific give the game the stability it craves?

Players don’t see it as a big deal because I think most would like to have a go at the other code.

There are not that many who switch codes for the money, the differences for the players are not usually that great. My hats go off to those that have a go, risking their reputations and egos, to play a game that is very different from the one they play now.

Rugby is a massive global opportunity for fringe players who won’t be able to crack it for the NRL and AFL. Rugby is the code failing to promote and develop the game at the junior level, we need to start to become very good at welcoming and nurturing athletes from another code looking for an opportunity.

As several have commented, I think the anti-league section is a pretty small minority.

League and rugby will always hate each other but code-hopping anger dying out

Great article Brett. There are a lot of reasons we need to have more games, for player development and revenues.

Finding the way to achieve that for 2024 onwards is the main challenge for RA. I will be an unhappy chap if they announce a PE deal without those plans in place.

The great unknown: Will Super Rugby Pacific give the game the stability it craves?

I agree scrum, for 2022 and 2023 SR Pacific is a sensible way forward, lets hope it works for everyone.

2024 has to be the year we reinvent professional rugby. We need more games, for both the players, and revenues. That needs to accommodate the fact that five Australian sides cannot be competitive with five NZ sides.

We have had 30 years to figure it out …

The great unknown: Will Super Rugby Pacific give the game the stability it craves?

I really think it is time, after almost 40 years, to admit that neither union or league can replicate the emotion and excitement of the Tina Turner campaigns.

I don’t have the answer, but the job of RA is to figure out how branding, marketing and advertising work to promote watching rugby games. They can triple the ad spend, but they won’t add one bum to a seat.

The answer is probably not more bone crunching tackles or swooping try line dives.

The great unknown: Will Super Rugby Pacific give the game the stability it craves?

Beale will select himself if he plays well enough, and vice versa.

Far more interesting is DR saying he is happy with the conditioning level and skills focus of the SR teams. Cheika got serious about this in 2015 so it will be interesting to see if, after 8 years, we have nailed it. DR was apparently less than impressed before the French tests last year.

The significant difference in the two competitions was obvious last year, so here is hoping for some real excitement in round 1.

Rennie reveals biggest challenge facing Kurtley Beale if he's to make a fourth World Cup

On the other hand, do you want to deprive Fijians of being able to earn the sort of income that makes a massive difference to their families in Fiji?

Hopefully the new Pacific SR enables both, and World Rugby start giving Tier 2 teams a lot more test match exposure so they can become Tier 1 as well.

Players will do what they need to do, and play for whom they want. I think LL wants to play for England, and this is just media hype.

Has England won the international bidding war for the son of Wallabies legend?

Geoff noted last year that RA are very confident the PE deal will happen, but it is not nailed down yet.

The amount that PE will invest is a product of the % income purchased, the current value, which is based on the likely future income receipts by the PE, and the level of certainty over the future receipts. There is probably a gap between how much RA needs, and what PE will pay, for the %share RA is prepared to sell.

RA want to maximise the value paid by PE, but Wallabies are ranked #7, were thrashed by NZ in 2021, both BC and TT, a new untried competition in 2022 and 2023, RWC hosting not confirmed etc. The current value is low with a lot of uncertainty.

Positive trends in Pacific SR (attendances and ratings), credible Australian performances and confirmation of 2027 RWC hosting rights would start increasing the value of the revenue shares, so a delay makes sense to me.

For the love of the game: The true believers looking to end rugby's 'finger-pointing and welfare mentality'

There was a crisis, but it looks to have been solved by selling off the assets into a new vehicle, which sells 12.5% to a PE investor to solve today’s crisis. Then the next crisis can be solved by selling a bit more, say 5%. You can avoid any future crisis until nobody is prepared to buy any more of your assets.

If transparency and accountability is not built into the system at the point of the first sale, it never will be. If there is no transparency and accountability it will reduce the probability of rugby being successfully administered.

I agree there seems to be a holding pattern. Presumably they are drawing down on their loan facility to meet expenses until the PE deal is done, refer my response to ozinsa.

For the love of the game: The true believers looking to end rugby's 'finger-pointing and welfare mentality'

Probably the ideal outcome for Michael. There will be more pressure on Tom I guess. Maybe the third will be off to Italy, that will be one for the record books.

Has England won the international bidding war for the son of Wallabies legend?

One of the frustrations driving me was that we are all accepting the standard of administration without question. Year after year, because it is absolutely no different from what we read in the papers every day from business, political and community leaders.

That we all accept there is a problem is important, as is a resolution to be part of the solution instead. 950 clubs in Australia and a whole lot of people like WiU who are not aligned, is a whole lot of stakeholders without a common, or unifying voice.

RA has to step up and lead, and provide a credible vision for us to follow. Otherwise we are in a holding pattern until a crisis occurs.

For the love of the game: The true believers looking to end rugby's 'finger-pointing and welfare mentality'

Of course they should, just from the position of being rugby organisations promoting rugby.

However, it is a massive marketing effort, driven by third parties at no cost to Rugby Australia. If they don’t get involved promoting it, and don’t find a way to leverage that to advance their own objectives, it will be another chapter of the Roar Rugby Project. I just won’t have to write it.

For the love of the game: The true believers looking to end rugby's 'finger-pointing and welfare mentality'

I think it is all newspaper hype, he is on the English pathway, on purpose. Tom is at the Reds, also on purpose.

Louis seems set and I hope Tom gets to achieve his dream too.

Has England won the international bidding war for the son of Wallabies legend?

I don’t think he ever had any intentions of being a Wallaby Bobby.

Has England won the international bidding war for the son of Wallabies legend?

I think I read Michael reported somewhere saying that their allegiances were set from a young age, Louis with England and Tom for Australia.

I am open for correction on that, but both boys have followed those paths to date.

Has England won the international bidding war for the son of Wallabies legend?

Thanks Geoff for a bit more background on the Day in Union.

It will be interesting to see what the SR teams do, to leverage off the promotion.

Surely they will see it as an opportunity?

The Reds will be expecting to pretty much fill the stadium for the match against the resurgent winning Waratahs. Maybe they provide discounted and free tickets to remaining games.

The Waratahs won’t have quite as many seats to give away at Leichhardt.

SS starts on 2 April so the Day in Union offers a good day to promote attendances at round one games.

A huge opportunity for every club to make some big moves in their own area.

For the love of the game: The true believers looking to end rugby's 'finger-pointing and welfare mentality'

There has been no appreciation at RA that desperately trying to stay solvent by cutting expenditure elsewhere only results in a loss of support and a long term reduction in the pool of skilled players ready for professional football.

What business survives by ignoring its customers and suppliers?

The Roar Rugby Project Part 9: Almost a wrap

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