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I was never much good but played cricket for 30 years in country NSW and have a real love for the game. I used to open the batting and was a change bowler with my dibbly dobbly medium pacers. .. I also played League as a halfback till my career was cut short due to a tragic lack of talent. .. I have been a farmer most of my working life.

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If that game didn’t turn a few English heads crickets way then there truly isn’t much hope for the game there. That was as good as it gets. The best the sport has to offer. If it didn’t make at least some impression on the youth of Britain then I give up.

World Cup final a game for the ages

If Patto touches Wood there might be trouble. 🙂

England's form looks ominous for Ashes

The best games in most world cups to date have been in the semi finals but this match is the one outstanding exception. Quirky ending aside, if this one didn’t send shivers up and down your spine then you are pretty much impossible to please. I read somewhere that the game was televised Free to Air in the UK. If that’s true it might have even distracted a few English kids from their soccer obsession for an hour or two. That has to be good for cricket doesn’t it?

The World Cup final cricket needed

Jhye v Siddle is a classic conundrum. Do we go for experience and known quality or do we opt for youth and potential. It usually seems to depend on just how desperate we are. I’m really torn about it tbh. I’m a fan of both and would prefer to see both in the squad but as you explained, that’s not likely. .. I’d say you’re right. They’ll go with the tried and proven. If Sids gets the nod I wish him all the best. He’s a hell of a bowler too.

England's form looks ominous for Ashes

G’day Paul. I seem to remember the decks in the WI having a bit in them. Saw some footage where the ball was jagging around and jumping off a length. No doubt taking it steady was the right approach in those conditions. England didn’t seem to want to do that, they went for gold. The only thing is we might not see decks like that in England. I’m expecting more docile offerings where their style of batting should be a bit easier to pull off. .. As for Jhye, yeah, I fully agree. When he’s bowling well he’s a beautiful bowler. I can see him being a handful in England.

England's form looks ominous for Ashes

Does anyone know how Jhye Richardson is coming along? I’d like to see him try his hand in English conditions. If he is available that could really perk our bowling up. As for the batting, I think it’s pretty simple really. Smith needs support so two, three or preferably four of the others need to stand up and help him out. Easier said than done against that bowling attack of course but that’s what it boils down to. Would be a good time foe the likes of Head and Patterson to have breakout tours. Not holding my breath though.

England's form looks ominous for Ashes

Ladder position is also fair enough, particularly in a full round robin format like this one. I do think it struggles a bit when they break the teams up into pools but then again so does NNR. The onus is on the organisers to ensure that the pools are as equal in strength as possible but that hasn’t always happened. If the pools are unequal finishing positions can become distorted. That’s why I think the single pool setup is way better. You can’t fatten up in a weak pool when everyone’s in there together.

New Zealand were robbed in the World Cup final

Personally I’d rather see it decided on the field on the day so they should just keep playing until we have a winner, but the ICC seems to like its tie breakers. .. If there has to be a tie breaker is there any good reason we couldn’t use Net Run Rate taken over the entire tournament. If the finalists really can’t be separated on the day it makes some sense to me to look at their performances throughout the rest of the tournament and NRR is a pretty decent indicator. It works especially well in a full round robin format like this WC as every team has (barring washouts) played every other team. Maybe there’s something big I’m missing but it seems obvious enough to me that this is a fair way of dealing with ties.

New Zealand were robbed in the World Cup final

Gee whizz Ronan, I’ll tell you what, if this had happened to us and we chucked the sort of wobbly you’ve predicted that would have been the last straw for me. I would turn my back on Aussie cricket in disgust and keep shunning them until they woke up to themselves. I must be some sort of hard case because I can’t see what all the fuss is about. Presumably everybody knew about the tie breaker rules well in advance of the tourney. If they didn’t they should have. It’s the same rule for everyone and it’s irrelevant whether we think it’s a good rule or not. .. As for Stokes and his ‘glance of chance’, yeah, well, that was extremely unfortunate. Murphy’s law at work there. The worst possible thing at the worst possible time. I honestly don’t know what to think about that but the one thing I am sure of is that if we carried on like pork chops about it I would have been mightily peeved. I’m with the Kiwi’s on this. Calm dignity in the face of such back luck is far more impressive than throwing the toys out of the cot.

New Zealand were robbed in the World Cup final

We had to give you one Gerry. It’s the least we could do. .. Agree our team isn’t good enough at present. There’re not bad but they lack a bit of polish and maybe some x-factor. Don’t worry, we’ll be working on it. Meanwhile you have a very good cricket team on your hands so I won’t begrudge you enjoying it while it lasts.

England win World Cup final in thrilling super over finish against New Zealand

I’ve gotta ask. What’s ohtani’s jacket?

England win World Cup final in thrilling super over finish against New Zealand

I always thought the Net Run Rate over the course of the entire tournament was a fair indicator as it gives some weight to dominant wins and punishes bad losses. Not sure why they ever dropped it. Actually I’m not even sure they ever had it in the first place tbh. We used to use it in triangular ODI series when we had them but I’m not sure it was ever adopted at WC level. If it wasn’t, it should be imo.

England win World Cup final in thrilling super over finish against New Zealand

I agree that the rules might be amended for the next outing. It’s been a bit of an organic evolution to get to this point really. The ICC seems to be learning as they go along but to be fair to them that’s how most things evolve.

England win World Cup final in thrilling super over finish against New Zealand

Yeah I agree there had to be a winner. That’s kinda the whole point isn’t it. Joint winners just doesn’t sound right. Not after 5 or 6 weeks of intense tournament play. Tennis doesn’t do it and neither should cricket imo.

England win World Cup final in thrilling super over finish against New Zealand

How about “The deflection of perfection”, “the glance of chance” or the “contact of controversy”. Something for everyone there depending on your point of view. 🙂

England win World Cup final in thrilling super over finish against New Zealand

As I understand it, pretty much. They allow a margin of half a ball width to account for any errors in the path prediction. It’s also a bit of a nod to how damn good the umpires are. They don’t get a lot wrong. Some of them are well into the 90% band accuracy wise.

England win World Cup final in thrilling super over finish against New Zealand

Cricket seems to be managed by crisis. What I mean by that is they fix the problems after they occur, not before. One of these days we might have a system that everyone agree’s is fair but till then I guess we’ll just continue to stumble around looking for it in the dark.

England win World Cup final in thrilling super over finish against New Zealand

Thanks Ronan. Just read it. Wow. Ok. Now it’s official. This game really did have everything.

England win World Cup final in thrilling super over finish against New Zealand

Hi Gerry. Most of the contributors on here are genuine, knowledgeable and mature cricket fans. Not a happy hunting ground for WUM’s if that’s your intention. If not then nah, I’m not salty either. That was one of the best cricket matches I’ve ever seen. What’s to be bitter about? Rules are rules and England won it according to the rules as far as I can see.

England win World Cup final in thrilling super over finish against New Zealand

Yes, who’s to say England didn’t factor boundary countbacks into their overall plan. No-one would expect a tied game but it could have been in the back of their minds to score a few boundaries just in case.

England win World Cup final in thrilling super over finish against New Zealand

One solitary run in a game where 500 were scored. There were probably a dozen opportunities throughout the innings if you look really hard. Agonising.

England win World Cup final in thrilling super over finish against New Zealand

Agree re Stokes. One of their best and a hell of a good cricketer. I reckon within the dressing room he would be seen as a bit of a hero by the England boys. They would have really struggled without him imo.

England win World Cup final in thrilling super over finish against New Zealand

Hi Matth. I must have missed that. Any chance of filling us in on what happened there?

England win World Cup final in thrilling super over finish against New Zealand

First up, what a cracking game of cricket that was. One for the ages. Congrats to the Poms. They were deserving winners I thought. They just seemed half a step ahead most of the game to me. To the Kiwi’s, gut felt commiserations. It’s almost literally impossible to get any closer and still not win. .. The final method of determining the winner is certainly controversial but I think I can see why the ICC went that way. They might equate boundaries to entertainment and see using a boundary countback method as a way of encouraging teams to play what they consider to be entertaining cricket. I don’t personally agree with it but I reckon that could be the thinking behind it.

England win World Cup final in thrilling super over finish against New Zealand

Can’t see them asking Wade to bowl a few overs like they expect Stoinis to either. I seem to recall he did bowl some medium stuff in a shield game once but that’s about it for Wades bowling.

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