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The reason people don’t think it is against the spirit of the game is that it is done all the time, even by Bairstow in the same game. There would be little to no controversy if the game wasn’t so close.
Most probably Carey wouldn’t have even tried it if Bairstow hadn’t tried it earlier in the game and failed to hit the stumps.
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No, I am saying the exact opposite of that.
I am saying hundreds of umpires over a hundred years have interpreted the rule and determined it is out. It doesn’t matter at all what you and I interpret the rule.
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So you are saying once in 100+ years of cricket it was given not out, out of the thousands and thousands of times it has been given out. I don’t think you are proving what you are trying to prove.
The law hasn’t been rewritten because the precedent was well established, it is always out. Now they have re-interpreted a settled precedent, they might have to re-write the rule to interpret it the same way it has always been interpreted – brilliant.
'Biggest load of rubbish': Starc catch controversy fires up McGrath as Aussies on verge of victory after Lyon's heroic knock
But ‘by the letter of the law’ actually means that an incorrect decision was made, it is literally the meaning of ‘by the letter of the law’.
'Biggest load of rubbish': Starc catch controversy fires up McGrath as Aussies on verge of victory after Lyon's heroic knock
The only thing that matters in a ruling is consistency, that is why ruling are based on precedent and not a million different ways you can interpret words in the English language in the ‘letter of the law’ nonsense.
The precedent is that it is out, the rule was interpreted that way when it was written and has for the whole history of cricket.
'Biggest load of rubbish': Starc catch controversy fires up McGrath as Aussies on verge of victory after Lyon's heroic knock
Never, ever in history.
'Biggest load of rubbish': Starc catch controversy fires up McGrath as Aussies on verge of victory after Lyon's heroic knock
Stop being dense. That is not how rules/laws work. Rules/laws are written, then they are interpreted by umpires/referees/judges who set precedents. Then all judgements from then on are made from the precedents, not the ‘letter of the law’ (which is not actually a real thing).
It is clear from 100+ years of precedent that that catch is out, without any doubt of all. It has always been out, it has never not been out.
'Biggest load of rubbish': Starc catch controversy fires up McGrath as Aussies on verge of victory after Lyon's heroic knock
By who? Practically nobody. If anything they are a young team.
Origin II: Axe set to fall on Fittler after Slater’s Maroons commit Blue murder to win series as three players get sent off
The problem with Luai is the dancing around works at club level and with a dominant team. At Origin level the defence just can’t be broken that way, you need a clinical 5/8 who can set up outside players – Luai just seems incapable of doing that. That said I don’t know who is better.
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I can’t believe that so many Queensland player are immortals, it just doesn’t make sense since they are all no-names. Hint – they were never no-names. It’s all just nonsense.
Origin II: Axe set to fall on Fittler after Slater’s Maroons commit Blue murder to win series as three players get sent off
The reality is NSW would be far better to give away the 9 penalties/6 agains and not give up any tries – which is exactly what Queensland did. That’s not a criticism of anyone, just the reality of the situation.
Origin II: Axe set to fall on Fittler after Slater’s Maroons commit Blue murder to win series as three players get sent off
James Maloney was one of the most underrated players ever. Took the Roosters to three minor premierships in a row and a premiership. Then he left for the Sharks and they immediately won the premiership and the Roosters came second last. That’s how good he was. He just made everyone around him play better.
NSW would love to have a player like that now, so would the Roosters.
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Thats really the opposite of what really happened. NSW played harder and out muscled Queensland, but Queensland played with far more skill and direction. Cherry-Evans and Munster are also both great players and lethal together – they are just a better combo than Cleary and Luai.
Also, if you take the Queensland 8 series wins in a row (2006-13), which was because they just had amazing players, the series results have been evenly split. The whole Queensland has more passion is so, so boring, if they actually had more passion maybe they would stop talking about it.
ANALYSIS: Queensland's outside backs won them the game - because Brad Fittler does not learn
I’m not sure if you’re being serious, but a backline of Nicho Hynes, Cody Walker and Latrell actually sounds pretty good, and probably should be seriously considered.
ANALYSIS: Queensland's outside backs won them the game - because Brad Fittler does not learn
If people think changing fullback will make any difference, you’ve lost it.
No one in the backline got any good ball, despite the forwards laying a pretty good platform. That is entirely because of Api, Cleary and Luai.
Tedesco basically played as a forward because otherwise he would never have touched the ball. He actually made some good runs, making ground and getting a quick play of the ball. The halves should have jumped at those opportunities and used that as a platform to attack but basically were just shoveling the ball around with no direction.
Cleary’s kicking game was also really bad, especially as he is a good kicker. NSW needs to use a second kicker in play to take off pressure from Clearly or Cleary just has to do better.
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Why would it matter when he jumped when he ultimately missed catching the ball by 1-2 centimeters? Walsh clearly was trying to catch the ball and only just missed a spectacular take by mere centimeters. It was hardly like he blatantly took out a Penrith player trying to contest the ball.
I certainly have seen lots of tries been allowed when the player made far less effort to contest the ball and not a lot disallowed.
As for Peachey being pushed in the back, he wasn’t really, and that kind of incident is never, ever penalised. It was way off the ball, Peachey had no intention of even being part of the play and was just meandering on an angle to block runners.
I couldn’t care less who won the game, it was actually a great game of footy, but if you were being consistent with previous decisions it was probably a fair contest for the ball.
ANALYSIS: The Broncos learn the level from Cleary and the Panthers - after one of the most bizarre Bunker decisions of all time
Not saying it should have been a try – i think it was 50/50, but your description of events is far from reality. You should look at the replay again.
Walsh doesn’t overrun the ball by a ‘couple of metres’, he misses touching the ball by centimeters, it is so close it almost looks like he touches the ball. He also didn’t really take two players out, a penrith player who had no intention of catching the ball walked sideways to try to block his run.
I actually think Walsh knew exactly where the ball was, that is why he turned in the air to try to catch the ball
ANALYSIS: The Broncos learn the level from Cleary and the Panthers - after one of the most bizarre Bunker decisions of all time
I don’t think it is that bad for the Roosters. They have had Crichton and Tupouniua out, and Waerea-Hargreaves and Lodge have had injuries, and Radley off the field, and they are still seventh.
It is their attack which is not up to standard but they have plenty of time to settle before the end of the season. Personally I hope they keep giving Manu a chance to learn how mesh with the team at five eight – he has all the skills and seems to be the type of person that will learn fast and be a team player.
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I think that is a bit harsh on Keary, he has produced the goods over and over again.
The reality is he is a small player, with a history of concussions. He needs to be the half back and be paired with a bigger, more robust five eight. That allows him to concentrate on play making rather than be gassed or hurt trying to desperately defend one on one.
The big call has backfired: Why Suaalii is failing at Roosters - and how Roosters are failing Sam Walker
The problem with Suaalii is his best skill are running hard, breaking tackle and catching high ball – all the skills a winger need – and he is brilliant at all those skills.
The skills he doesn’t have is passing, looking for opportunities and running at holes in the defense – all the skills a centre and fullback need – and he is pretty poor at all of these skills. He is super young and could learn these quickly but doesn’t have any of these skills.
His defense as a winger is solid but his defense at centre is atrocious. I’m a Roosters fan and have watched every game – he just won’t slide in defense and completely screws the players defending outside him the majority of times.
As for Walker, he is a long term replacement for Keary who will surely move on at the end of 2025 and Walker will replace him. If it wasn’t for injuries Walker would not have played first grade yet. Keary is a way better halfback than five eight and has only been playing five eight because there is no one else at the Roosters. Walker and Keary playing together are just not good enough defensively. Manu playing five eight has strengthened the defense enormously.
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The Warriors got almost twice the number of penalties/six agains than the Roosters and you think the Warriors were hard done by the ref???
Did you see Butcher take the swinging arm to the jaw from the Warriors player when he scored? It was an order of magnitude worse than the kind of maybe shoulder charge that the ref, players and commentators all thought wasn’t a shoulder charge. Even if it was a shoulder charge, it was a penalty at best.
If the Warriors want to win when they are gifted possession and field position all day by the ref, almost every set of six in their own half, they need to do something other than run one out and then pray from a kick. The Roosters won despite the caning they got from the ref.
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It was dubious it was a shoulder charge at all, it was with little force as all momentum had been stopped by Collins, it wasn’t high, he wrapped with his right arm. At absolute most it was a penalty, if anything at all.
It is really dubious when fans say their team was robbed by the ref whilst winning the penalty/six again count 9-5. They were gifted field possession all match by nit pick penalties against the Roosters whilst apparently being absolute angels all game.
The Warriors lost because despite a ridiculous lions share of possession and field position courtesy of the ref never looked like scoring apart from kicks.
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Penalty count 6-4 to Warriors, six agains 3-1 to the Warriors. Nat butcher copped a swinging arm to the jaw whilst scoring – no penalty. Jaxson Paulo called in touch when he clearly wasn’t, Manu penalised wrongly twice, once because the Warriors player stupidly tried an offload thinking he was going near touch but wasn’t, another when Manu played the ball correctly with a Warriors player holding on for an eternity.
The Tesdeco one wasn’t a knock on, the ball touched the ground but Tedesco had already caught the ball well before it touched the ground. The Sitiili tackle was more 50-50 but was a penalty at best – the swinging arm on Butcher’s jaw by the Warriors was way worse.
The penalty when Tedesco played the ball was a bit harsh, but it was tackle one and the Roosters had got the ball, it wasn’t like the Warriors player got the ball – it should have been play on with Roosters ball.
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Suaalii never slides in defense, he always goes inside for the big hit, always, even when there is no chance of making the hit, leaving his outside players completely screwed. He has been the cause of so many tries against the Roosters. At the moment he is a total liability in the centres, but a great winger. And I say this as a Roosters fan, his defense does my head in.
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The ball was not dead – so there is no sound argument it was dead, it simply wasn’t dead in any way whatsoever.
You could argue a moral argument – but since the English had already done the same thing there is no moral argument to have, unless you think only English teams can do it and Australian team are banned from doing it – that is one twisted moral argument.
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