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A former high-school Rugby coach of under-age "A" teams. Rugby referee. Former Rugby Club Honorary Secretary.
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I am sick of trying to explain to my NRL, AFL, and lapsed rugby union mates that the laws of NRL and AFL are…
Here is my open letter to Michael Cheika, the embattled head coach of the Wallabies. G'day Michael Cheika, Firstly, thank you for your enthusiasm…
A red card has a massive effect on the result of a rugby match – especially if it occurs early in the game. In…
I agree with you on your Point 1, James. (If fact, after reading Brett’s initial comments, I agreed with him that it would be difficult to differentiate between various Penalty goals, So I have amended my later emails to suggest a revised points system ONLY for the Try and the Drop Goal).
Regarding your Point 2, I am not suggesting that the AR (nor the main Ref) apply any medical treatment, James —- just that the AR can tell the Ref if he considers that the player’s injury (IF he indeed has one!) MIGHT be serious enough for play to be stopped. Sorry for any confusion, James !
How rugby union can change its laws to improve the spectacle... including six-point tries
I reckon you might be on to something here, nroko !
How rugby union can change its laws to improve the spectacle... including six-point tries
G’day Kiwi, I am not concerned with what AFL and NRL do — but I do think that their officials change the Laws to make their games more viewable?, (By the way, as I point out to some AFL fans, I THINK that AFL could be the only game in the world where a point is scored for a MISS? Ha Ha !)
How rugby union can change its laws to improve the spectacle... including six-point tries
Brett, If my reply is long-winded (as you suggest),could that be because I am having difficulty in making my point ? You will note, from an earlier reply, that I agree with you that it would be difficult to differentiate between what PENALTY kicks could be awarded for various offences. Therefore I have concentrated on the suggested points for TRIES and for DROP GOALS, which I will repeat hereunder:–
* Conversions — No longer applicable
* Try ———— 6 points
* Intercept Try — 4 points (Can currently involve a 14 point turnaround (7
missed by Team A & 7 scored by Team B), – esp. in a close game.
Shorter Drop Goal ———– ? points
Drop goal from over half-way —- (? + 1) points
You may not agree with the above points scored, Brett, (no problem), but surely the above summary is SIMPLE to understand, and does NOT cause confusion, as i read that you have suggested? I think we beg to differ and have now exhausted further discussion on this topic, mate? Cheers, Brett !
How rugby union can change its laws to improve the spectacle... including six-point tries
Agreed !
How rugby union can change its laws to improve the spectacle... including six-point tries
Thanks Frank. I also prefer to watch my local Rugby — either at the ground or on Stan Sports. I also enjoy their Replay options — Full, Edited or just Highlights.
How rugby union can change its laws to improve the spectacle... including six-point tries
Worth considering, Rugbytrylover
How rugby union can change its laws to improve the spectacle... including six-point tries
Ha Ha Wigeye! And what other “gems” do you remember, mate?
How rugby union can change its laws to improve the spectacle... including six-point tries
Good points RahRah
How rugby union can change its laws to improve the spectacle... including six-point tries
Yes David Harvey. Like you, I am an avid follower of Club Rugby, where the results are often like 6 tries to 5! IF only ———–?????
How rugby union can change its laws to improve the spectacle... including six-point tries
Thanks Winston. Let’s hope for better flowing Rugby.
How rugby union can change its laws to improve the spectacle... including six-point tries
Thanks for the time taken for your valued comments, Colvin. My main reasons for dropping conversions for a 6-point try (rather than 5 + 2 points) are (1) The time taken, and (2) Goal-kicks put too much emphasis on the efforts of ONE SINGLE player in what is meant to be a 15 to
23-person TEAM game. Maybe you can see a little logic there —- esp. since we already have too many penalty goals? Cheers mate!
How rugby union can change its laws to improve the spectacle... including six-point tries
I reckon I might be about your age, Danny? But wouldn’t it e great if our game could return to the try-scoring spectacle that it was meant to be in our day?
How rugby union can change its laws to improve the spectacle... including six-point tries
Good on you, Muzzo. The game needs blokes like you — keep it up, mate! But wouldn’t it be terrific if we could see more tries in Tests etc? — just like at many suburban games?
How rugby union can change its laws to improve the spectacle... including six-point tries
Agreed, Cam. Ha Ha .
How rugby union can change its laws to improve the spectacle... including six-point tries
You might be correct there, Jockstar?
How rugby union can change its laws to improve the spectacle... including six-point tries
Yes JC. But don’t other codes benefit here by having games with rules that require less understanding from the masses? IMHO we need more media support and bigger crowds at Tests etc. before Australia can once again be a major International game, with great results
How rugby union can change its laws to improve the spectacle... including six-point tries
Some good reasoning there, Mountie
How rugby union can change its laws to improve the spectacle... including six-point tries
Thanks Dean. Afraid I can’t answer your final question, mate. The reasons I would like to exclude conversions, and have a 6 point try, are (1) the time taken for the conversion, and (2) it often puts too much emphasis on the contributions of one single person in what should be a 15 (to 23) person TEAM game. Maybe you might be able to understand the reasoning there, Dean?
How rugby union can change its laws to improve the spectacle... including six-point tries
Many thanks Rugby Try Lover. I also love seeing tries —- not so much the all-in bash and barge near the line! Thankfully one can usually see plenty of tries scored at local (suburban) games. And Stan Sports does well in allowing replays of either the Full game, OR Edited game OR the Highlights of the game
How rugby union can change its laws to improve the spectacle... including six-point tries
Agree with all of your points, Muzzo. Esp. regarding discipline. By the way, the great Danny Craven produced a wonderful book that contained, inter alia, some great Rugby moves, — some of which I included in my coaching. Unfortunately I cannot remember the name of that book!
How rugby union can change its laws to improve the spectacle... including six-point tries
Brett,
If you re-read my comment, I DID agree that the PENALTYS points would need to be handled wisely by the law-makers. But the bulk of my REPLY to you was about TRIES, without conversions — for the reasons that I gave). Normal Try — 6 points (remembering that there would no longer be 2 additional points for conversions. Intercept Try (which I obviously hate, because of an often 14-point turnaround under current laws — 4 Points. The drop-goal points are only suggested here —- My main point is that beyond the half-way drops (whatever score the law-makers decree) could be worth more that simpler drops. So, since penalty points will ALWAYS be a divisive issue, let’s ignore them at the moment. So, apart from Penalties, can we agree that this MIGHT be possible?
Try ——————- 6
Intercept try ——–4
Conversions ——– No longer applicable applicable
Close drop goal .— ? (Whatever you reckon)
Long drop goal —- ? + 1
Hope that makes it all a little clearer, Brett?
How rugby union can change its laws to improve the spectacle... including six-point tries
Simple Brett ! (At least the no-conversion try points)
Although I do agree that “lesser breaches” for penalties would need to be well defined in a realistic way by the law-makers. Otherwise my Apologies if the rest of such a simple points-scoring for tries with no conversions (to cut down on time wasting, and also to lessen the influence of one single player on the results of a 15-man TEAM game) is beyond your usually wise understanding, Brett. Apart from “differential penalties” the suggested TRY-SCORING would simply be- : 6 points for a try, except for intercept tries, that would be 4 points. Would that be too difficult for you and/or followers of other codes to understand, mate? Currently intercept tries, (often from undetected off -side intercepts) can often result in a 14-point turnaround ….. 7 points missed by the attacking team, and 7 points often gained by the intercepting team, since most intercept tries are scored under, or near, the posts! Thanks Brett.
How rugby union can change its laws to improve the spectacle... including six-point tries
Thanks Z-B. Hopefully you are not an ultra-rougharee! thanks for your humour there!
I THINK that some of the suggestions could be trialled in suburban games etc. to see which (if any) of them MIGHT be applicable to make your game easier to adjudicate, and to keep us spectators happier. (By the way, I used to “rougharee” high school games in my much younger days.)
How rugby union can change its laws to improve the spectacle... including six-point tries
Yes Jacko. But my point is that as Rugby crowds continue to fall (esp. here in Aust.), we are no longer earning the $$$s that we need (through attendances, TV contracts, and the media) to run the game professionally, in so many ways.
How rugby union can change its laws to improve the spectacle... including six-point tries