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With due respect, I think you will find Queensland have won 4 clean sweeps: 1988, 1989, 1995, and 2010.
New South Wales have indeed so far won three clean sweeps: 1986, 1996, and 2000.
So if NSW does manage to get a clean sweep in 2021 then this will bring the tally up to four clean sweeps each.
New South Wales has dominated Origin, but don't call it a dynasty
The 1999 and 2002 series should really be classed as drawn – and I’m saying this as a Queenslander. If anything, an argument could be made that 1999 and 2002 should be classed as wins to NSW based on for and against.
New South Wales has dominated Origin, but don't call it a dynasty
I’m a Queenslander and I 100% agree – those series should be classed as drawn. However if one really did want to class a winner for those series, then based on for and against NSW would be the winner of both.
New South Wales has dominated Origin, but don't call it a dynasty
Indeed – but I wouldn’t call three years in a row a dynasty. I think a team would have to win at least five years in a row for it to be classed as even the smallest of what can be called a dynasty. Queensland’s eight years in a row really is the only true dynasty that has so far occurred in State of Origin.
I suppose Queensland did win five in a row from 1980 to 1984 which could be classed as a marginal borderline dynasty but only three of these were series (1982 – 1984). Not to take anything away from the stand-alone origins of 1980 and 1981 but just saying that while it was five years in a row it wasn’t actually five series in a row.
New South Wales has dominated Origin, but don't call it a dynasty
Having some specific cut off age of residency is probably too arbitrary. I believe that anyone should be eligible to play for Queensland provided they meet the following two conditions:
1. Officially and publicly declare their rugby league allegiance to Queensland.
2. Provide sufficient grounds for them to be regarded as a Queenslander for State of Origin purposes. This may be being born in the state, their first football they ever formally played (e.g. not backyard football or casual football at lunch time on the school oval) being for a club in the state, first club that they played senior football for (which was what it used to be based on if my memory serves me correct) being a club in the state, being the first state that they have lived in Australia for any reasonable length of time. These are just a few examples – but really any reasonable grounds that they have for being classed as a Queenslander.
To be fair, the last item I listed can be quite arbitrary (what exactly constitutes a reasonable length of time?) – and there could be other arbitrary possible grounds that could be given too – but I still think it is better than just picking an arbitrary cut off age that a person starts residing in a state without any reasonable discretion or flexibility. I do understand the case for fixed cut-off points, but I still think a more flexible and holistic approach is needed.
Why Ronaldo Mulitalo being barred from Origin was the right call
There are some times in life where one must go by the absolute letter of the rule. However this appears to be a case where just normal common sense discretion should be used and where the spirit of the rule should be applied rather than the letter of the rule.
Question: Where would any of us be in our lives if for not at least once someone showing some compassion (not that Mulitalo did anything wrong) and using their common sense discretion rather than implementing the absolute letter of the rule? Indeed we’ve all almost certainly caught a few lucky breaks where people have decided to be humans and have used some reasonable measured common sense discretion rather than just robotically applying every letter of a rule.
Don’t get me wrong – there are still many times in life where the complete letter of the rule must be upheld. However, this certainly is not one of those times.
Mulitalo OUT of Origin II over eligibility concerns, Coates back in
I think the game needs to minimise fatigue. I would say that there should be serious consideration to increasing the number of players on the bench to say 7 or 8 and brining back unlimited interchange (or at the very least greatly increasing the number of interchanges allowed in a game – perhaps at least doubling it?) Instead of fatigue being a prominent factor in opening up attacking opportunities, make more ‘space’ on the field by reducing the number of players a team can have on the field at any given time from 13 to 12. While there would be one less player from each team on the field at any given time, there would be more players playing the game overall so players wouldn’t need to worry about a reduced chance of playing any given game.
Also some consideration should be given to reintroducing the 5 metre rule instead of using the 10 metre rule.
The NRL rules aren't perfect, but they aren't the only factor in blowouts
On the issue of fatigue: increase the number of players on the bench to seven (or perhaps even eight?) and bring back unlimited interchange. Reduce the number of players a team can have on the field at any given time from 13 to 12. In short, create attacking opportunities through creating more ‘space’ on the field (less players at any given time) rather than through fatigue. Note also that while there would be one less player for each team on the field at any given time, there would still be overall more players playing the game for each team so players wouldn’t have to worry about a reduced chance of playing a game.
How can we stop all the floggings we have created?
But the point is that it is no longer the St George Dragons but rather the St George-Illawarra Dragons.
I’m not trying to take anything away from this great club that has all and all been a successful merger – but what does the region of Sydney represented by St George have in common with the Illawarra region? Especially when one club – The Cronulla Sharks – separates these two areas. I’m not saying that mergers should be based on geographical considerations alone but it doesn’t – at least at first glance – seem like the most logical merger.
In saying that – mergers that might seem a little more logical at first glance – say a merger between Parramatta and Canterbury or between Souths and Easts may actually make less sense given the rivalries (Paramatta v Canterbury , Souths v Easts) these clubs have built up over time.
Why Queenslanders love State of Origin
What happened after New South Wales won 56 – 16 in game three in 2000? Was that the end of Origin? Yes, I know – the Queensland team of game 1 2001 was quite different to the team of game 3 2000 (no disrespect to the Queensland team of game 3 2000, who certainly were an alright team but just didn’t perform well on the night).
I highly doubt that there will be such a big turnaround in performance for Queensland like there was from the massive loss of game 3 2000 to the relatively comfortable and convincing win of game 1 2001 – however we shouldn’t rule out the possibility that Queensland might notch up a win in game two – nor even completely discount them from winning the 2021 series.
Regardless, it seems hyperbole to suggest that State of Origin is dead.
History in Townsville: Commemorating the 124th (and final) death of Origin
If there is one thing that can be learned from State of Origin it is to never write Queensland off. Still, in saying this, it would be an understatement to say that it will be an up hill battle for them (Queensland).
The Maroons are awful and the Blues are going to take the series 3-0
It’s an interesting way to look at the concept of a dynasty – I suppose one doesn’t strictly have to go by pure number of series in a row. However I seriously question whether 1990 to 1997 could be classed as a dynasty for NSW – maybe if they had won 7 out of 8 series with no QLD clean sweep, but 6 out of 8 with QLD getting a clean sweep (1995) – I don’t think I could really class that as a dynasty.
New South Wales has dominated Origin, but don't call it a dynasty