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Totally agree, it’s part of the game. It’s saved us in the past. Just saying, as a spectacle, a last innings showdown would have made a great end to the series.
Run out drama erupts as controversial Smith escape, Murphy cameo earns Aussies unlikely lead
It has been a great series. A bit of a shame that the weather at Old Trafford prevented a final innings showdown for the Ashes here (not that Aussie fans will mind, I’m sure). Still, looking forward to the rest of this test!
Run out drama erupts as controversial Smith escape, Murphy cameo earns Aussies unlikely lead
I think credit where it’s due to both teams. Australia have bowled well to limit England’s aggressive batting tactics (I dislike the term bazball). Prior to this series, under Stokes/McCullum by playing aggressively one or two players have always fired on to big scores, the washout at Old Trafford apart, Australia haven’t allowed that.
Run out drama erupts as controversial Smith escape, Murphy cameo earns Aussies unlikely lead
Except he was actually out. Admittedly, it took a further 40 minutes of analysis from umpteen camera angles to confirm it, so I understand the decision of the third umpire.
Run out drama erupts as controversial Smith escape, Murphy cameo earns Aussies unlikely lead
The real England has finally turned up today. We’ve been doing this to teams since Stokes took over, and I expected a bit more of it in this series. Credit to Australia that they have largely contained England’s batting this far. Nevertheless, the lead isn’t that big, the wicket seems to have started misbehaving, and England’s tendency to collapse can never be underestimated! Let’s hope that there is enough play remaining in the next three days to get a result, in what has been a thrilling series.
Zak attack: Crawley clobbers century as 'sloppy' Aussies pray for rain to save Manchester massacre
Holy sh 1t that’s a lot to unpack.
To be fair, I’m not going to waste my time further here.
COMMENT: Cummins failed the moral test and tarnished these Ashes. He had the chance to be a legend and blew it
What’s laughable is your lengthy diatribe telling me how comparable the incidents are, why I don’t grasp that the two incidents are very similar, with the wicket keeper acting in a similar fashion. I don’t think you’ve even watched the de Grandhomme dismissal. As a starter for 10, the ball hit de Grandhomme on the pad and was picked up by Pope in the slips who threw down the stumps with de Grandhomme hopelessly out of his crease and trying to get back. For the record, I’m not suggesting that Bairstow should have been given not out, but that, on balance, it would have been fitting for Cummins to withdraw the appeal given the circumstances of the stumping. Clearly you don’t agree. Fine, that’s your prerogative, but don’t try and justify it with ridiculous comparisons to irrelevant incidents.
COMMENT: Cummins failed the moral test and tarnished these Ashes. He had the chance to be a legend and blew it
Yeah, having tried to play a shot. Not meandering out thinking (incorrectly, obviously) that the ball was dead. I’m saying the incidents aren’t really comparable.
'If I could turn back time': Baz's journey from 'stupidity' to 'obvious' mistake, and why Pat could live to regret stance
Whatever someone’s view of the Bairstow dismissal, it is a shame that it has overshadowed the game and series. Australia fully deserved the second test, they got ahead of the game on day 1 and were only fleetingly put on the back foot when England were 180-odd for 1 (sorry, 1/180!) in the second innings and during Stokes’s cameo the 4th innings. Nevertheless, Stokes could have won it for England. And that’s on the back of a thrilling first test that swung both ways and then Australia nicked it at the point in the game where England looked to have the victory in sight. I hope that England can grab the third test to keep an excellent series alive.
Flem’s Verdict: Cummins shows true class on and off the field as England contradict their words with actions
I have no idea. Clearly easy for him to say that now. But I would certainly have felt very uneasy about taking a wicket in such a scenario.
COMMENT: Cummins failed the moral test and tarnished these Ashes. He had the chance to be a legend and blew it
Starc didn’t make a catch, because he grounded the ball before he was in full control of his body. And, for the record, Duckett walked and was called back by the umpires.
'If I could turn back time': Baz's journey from 'stupidity' to 'obvious' mistake, and why Pat could live to regret stance
The ‘Spirit of Cricket’ isn’t a concept, it’s part of the preamble to the laws of cricket. That said, it’s clearly not able to be defined and, as such, is necessarily subjective. As demonstrated in this case.
'If I could turn back time': Baz's journey from 'stupidity' to 'obvious' mistake, and why Pat could live to regret stance
That’s what I thought, Vettori I think
'If I could turn back time': Baz's journey from 'stupidity' to 'obvious' mistake, and why Pat could live to regret stance
Another ridiculous comparison. Balbirnie came miles out of his crease to attempt a sweep with the keeper up to the stumps and, ultimately, couldn’t stay in his ground in the action of playing a shot. I can see the legitimacy of the Bairstow stumping, even if, in my opinion, I think it’s probably the wrong side of the spirit of cricket argument. But please stop justifying it with incomparable events.
'If I could turn back time': Baz's journey from 'stupidity' to 'obvious' mistake, and why Pat could live to regret stance
The stumping was clearly within the rules of the game and the umpires came to the correct and only decision they could. Whether it was correct to appeal (and continue to appeal) in that instance comes down to interpretation of the spirit of cricket, which cannot be defined and is, as such, very subjective. I can see why people would take either side. However, I’m a little fed up with the ridiculous comparisons to events that are not comparable in the slightest. Duckett walked, he was at the rope and was called back by the umpires who, once again, made the correct call.
'If I could turn back time': Baz's journey from 'stupidity' to 'obvious' mistake, and why Pat could live to regret stance
McCullum’s regret over that dismissal, as stated at an event 10 years later, is literally the basis of the whole article. I suggest you read it.
'If I could turn back time': Baz's journey from 'stupidity' to 'obvious' mistake, and why Pat could live to regret stance
You raised the Bairstow incident as justification. I’m saying neither are acceptable. Within the rules, yes. Correct decision by the umpires, yes. Within the ‘spirit of the game. Well, I think it’s clear from the debate that the spirit of the game is very much subjective.
COMMENT: Cummins failed the moral test and tarnished these Ashes. He had the chance to be a legend and blew it
I didn’t say he was attempting a run, I said he came out of his crease to play the shot, i.e. risked a stumping. It’s not comparable at all.
COMMENT: Cummins failed the moral test and tarnished these Ashes. He had the chance to be a legend and blew it
In my view it’s sad that the Bairstow stumping has stolen the narrative from what has been an excellent series so far. There are numerous articles (including on this website) focussed on the stumping incident. Steping back from that, this was a deserved victory for Australia in a test which they took control of on day 1. Although there were flickers of life from England at times, ultimately only some Stokes heroics made the result more respectable and handed some small hope on day 5. The first test was extremely tight and ebbed and flowed one way and the other, with England in some ways throwing it away on day 5 when they had got more ahead of the game than any team throughout the test. History says that the series is probably over, especially in the face of the best Australian team to tour here since 2005, but I hope that England can snatch the Headlingly test and re-ignite what should be a great series of hard-fought cricket.
Aussies 2-0 up despite sensational Stokes ton as Lord's erupts over run out controversy, cheating accusations
No worries. I’m not sure if it is deliberate drafting. Everyone should accept the umpire’s decision, which, in my view (and all but the most one-eyed England fan) was correct in this case. I think it’s impossible to define the ‘spirit of cricket’ and, as such, it is necessarily subjective. As witnessed here, opinion is divided. Regardless of the incident itself, it’s sad for me that it has distracted from an excellent and closely fought series. England conspired to lose a very tight first test from a winning position, Australia deserving winners of the second test (albeit Stokes made it interesting). Bring on Headingly.
COMMENT: Cummins failed the moral test and tarnished these Ashes. He had the chance to be a legend and blew it
I’m not sure what you’re referencing, the long room incident perhaps? But I would happily condem whoever said that.
COMMENT: Cummins failed the moral test and tarnished these Ashes. He had the chance to be a legend and blew it
For what it’s worth, I think Cricket Australia dealt very harshley with Smith, Warner and Bancroft. Probably correctly and other nations should have clamped down on more minor transgressions sooner.
COMMENT: Cummins failed the moral test and tarnished these Ashes. He had the chance to be a legend and blew it
I’ve had another look after your reply. “Accept the umpire’s decision”, is a statement on it’s own, not qualified in any way, or associated with the spirit of cricket comment. So I’m not sure what you’re reading.
COMMENT: Cummins failed the moral test and tarnished these Ashes. He had the chance to be a legend and blew it
As a pom, I have been trying to frame my opinion on it. I think I broadly agree with the author. The umpires made the right call and then it was up to Cummins to decide what to do. In his defence, whenever an argument hinges on the, impossible to define and neccessarily subject, ‘spirit of cricket’, it’s going to divide opinion. In some ways it’s a shame, because it’s been an excellent series, not a lot between the teams. Australia deserving winners at Lords, England throwing it away when they had it in their hands at Edgbaston. Hopefully we can make a fist of the series by snatching the Headingly test and make it a series to remember.
COMMENT: Cummins failed the moral test and tarnished these Ashes. He had the chance to be a legend and blew it
Condition, yes, it does seem newer, not sure why the umpires would have chosen it. Performance, well, impossible to say either way, because it was much better swing bowling conditions this morning than last night. But it was always thus, bowling teams are always harassing the umpires to change the ball when nothing is happening and it can change the performance of the ball
Umpires under fire over ball change with Khawaja, Ponting fuming over English bowlers getting dramatic swing their way