ARU chief eyes Super expansion in 2011
By Samantha Broun, 4 Feb 2009 Samantha Broun is a Roar Rookie
Australian Rugby Union boss John O’Neill says he expects the Super rugby competition to expand to 15 teams in 2011.
O’Neill said talks have recommenced between the SANZAR working party after a breakdown in discussions late last year over a proposed six-team finals series.
The ARU chief indicated that a Super 15 competition running from the March 1 until early August in 2011 would involve an extra team from either Japan or the Pacific Islands and would incorporate six teams in the finals.
In the proposed expanded format, teams would play each other once in a round-robin competition before teams from Australia, New Zealand and South Africa would play teams from their own country again.
“We’ve renewed the work of the SANZAR working party so we sort of took time out coming into Christmas and back in discussions, it’s not CEO level, it’s the next level down,” O’Neill said, adding that all decisions by SANZAR must be unanimous.
“It’s taking on all of the work that was done last year and in a sense getting it back on track.
“We’re officially back on the normal timetable, we had been trying to accelerate it, (but) under our existing broadcast deal we have to have a proposal to our broadcasters by the 30th of June this year of whatever we think is a reasonable proposal to commence on January 1, 2011.
“So the metre is ticking, dialogue is good, we’re all open to the same ideas that we were talking about last year, but I guess we’re not immune at all to the reality of the economic climate.”
O’Neill said it thought it was highly unlikely that there would be any changes to the Super rugby format before 2011 and there would be no change unless broadcasters came to the table.
“There’s a range of options (being discussed), the one in favour at the moment is a Super 15 competition, going from March 1 to the beginning of August, everyone playing each other once and then each of the teams playing in their conferences.
“That gets you to 23 or 24 weeks and that’s still a very attractive offer as long as we are rewarded for it.
“People ask me what are broadcasters thinking, we actually don’t know yet. We know they have an appetite for Super rugby and we know they have an appetite for expansion but the big unknown is what will they pay.
“We won’t know that until we give them a proposal.”
O’Neill said the ARU’s current broadcast deal expires at the end 2010.
O’Neill said while he hoped the expansion would be approved, he said nothing was definite until approved by SANZAR.
“I think everyone still has a black ball that they can throw in there, O’Neill said.
“The ARU’s preference is for expansion in a way that’s fiscally responsible, but then again if nothing changes then we have to wait another five years to have a crack at it.”
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True Tah said | February 4th 2009 @ 7:35am | Report comment
Bloody hell John, why are we talking about Japan, why do you keep ignoring Melbourne/Western Sydney?
Midfielder said | February 4th 2009 @ 7:45am | Report comment
TT
Excellent question … beggars disbelief … would also add CC & Newie as well to your WS & Mel.
John Ryan said | February 4th 2009 @ 8:02am | Report comment
What you have to remember is West Sydney is not O’Neils type of people or a lot of RU supporters,I think Bogans is the word,good lord most of them would not know how to lay out the silverware,they would most likely steal it
Its a Class thing with RU supporters
Mr Mac said | February 4th 2009 @ 8:06am | Report comment
Guys
If you read the report in the SMH you will see that JON does mention them but in a totally different context to this article
This is, like most media reports, only what the “journo” feeds you.
Bit of a bother because I tend to trust the Roar more than the print stuff – caveat emptor!
Dan said | February 4th 2009 @ 8:29am | Report comment
TT,
Agree with you on Melbourne/Victoria, but given the set up of the S14 (Australia having sides that all represent states) would you think it odd to have another team in NSW? You’d really have to disintegrate the waratahs altogether and make 2 new teams.
True Tah said | February 4th 2009 @ 8:50am | Report comment
Dan
so far the NSWRU are not really representative of NSW west of Moore Park and north of Hornsby, which is a bit sad as I live well outside this area – if it means dissolving the NSW Rugby Union and having a Sydney and Western Sydney Union then so be it. OK the Tahs are taking a game to Homebush this year which I will be attending, but it took them long enough to get there!
The Tahs have established a brand so it makes sense for them to keep the name, but there are plenty of guys running around in the NRL who may well have elected for a pro rugby career if the pathway was there for them to follow. There are plenty of grounds to use – Penrith and Parramatta.
Harry said | February 4th 2009 @ 9:28am | Report comment
O’Neill has been quite happy to see the ARC and the Pacific Islands comp for Australia A ditched. In the short term I have no doubt this will be extremely detrimental for rugby’s development in Australia, both from a player’s perspective and growing support.
He seems obsessed with growing the S14 as described above. I guess he is looking to create a super club competition similar to soccer’s European club competitions and the European Heineken Cup in rugby. Presume also his thinking is to milk the trump card for all its worth …
We have already seen the European clubs effectively ruin the SH June internationals. Perhaps O’Neill thinks extra S14 clubs will take up the slack in player development? SA and NZ have strong domestic comps and a clear player development system in place. We Don’t and I I’m not certin how this proposal will solve this problem.
Redb said | February 4th 2009 @ 9:43am | Report comment
TT,
The laughable part about Japan is that’s hardly got a lot of spare change these days. Many economic commentators say it is in just as deep as the USA and quite possibly worse off. If the US is headed for a depression then Japan which has already been struggling for a decade will be even worse off. No there is no golden goose in the land of the Samurai.
Redb
Mr Mac said | February 4th 2009 @ 9:55am | Report comment
Guys
If you read the SMH account
http://www.rugbyheaven.com.au/news/news/oneill-commits-aru-to-super-expansion/2009/02/03/1233423221984.html
– as I mentioned above it is a totally different story particularly as he says the expansion hinges on TV monies – no money, no expansion
Mr Mac said | February 4th 2009 @ 9:57am | Report comment
Sorry wrong link
http://www.rugbyheaven.com.au/news/news/supersized-comp-is-at-broadcasters-mercy-oneill/2009/02/03/1233423214774.html