Is there anything remaining to say about Super Rugby?
By Greg Russell, 22 May 2009 Greg Russell is a Roar Guru
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Brumbies Gene fairbanks ducks the tackle from Bulls Wynand Olivier in the Super 14 rugby match at Canberra Stadium, Friday, April 17, 2009. The Brumbies won the match 32-31. (AAP Image/Alan Porritt)
What to write for a readership that knows so much about rugby? That has been an overwhelming thought while trawling the articles and comments on The Roar this week.
For example, I was going to write about the statistical anomalies of the Super 14 season of the Waratahs. However, I find that many of the following facts have already been mentioned this week:
1. NSW have become only the second team to win nine games in a season and not make the semi-finals (the first? See below!).
2. NSW join the 2008 Stormers in becoming only the second team to earn 41 points and not make the semis.
3. NSW have become the first Australian team to win 3 out of 3 in South Africa, and yet somehow they didn’t make the semis.
(Incidentally, the Australian media reports this one as “first Australasian team”, the New Zealand media as “first Australian team”, thereby implying that a New Zealand team has achieved it – anyone know where the truth lies?)
4. First team to win 4 out of 5 against New Zealand franchises, but not make the semis.
5. First team to win 5 out of 6 away from home, but not make the semis.
Actually, I’ve made up that points 4 and 5 are firsts, but they are so historically rare – given the way New Zealand has dominated the competition and the way teams perform much better at home – that it seems safe to assume they are firsts (correct?)
One set of statistics I haven’t seen mentioned this week are the winning percentages of teams from each country: New Zealand 54.6%, Australia 51.0%, South Africa 44.6%.
This statistic becomes more graphic, and arguably more meaningful, if one factors out “derbies” (which must give a win and a loss for the locals), and instead one looks at winning percentages against teams from other countries: New Zealand 56.7%, Australia 51.3%, South Africa 42.2%.
For 2008 this statistic was: New Zealand 61.1%, Australia 50.0%, South Africa 38.9%.
There may be some debate about whether Australia has the playing strength for an extra Super Rugby franchise, but one thing is for sure from these numbers: South Africa does not.
Another aspect of the new Super 15 competition announced this week is that every country is guaranteed at least one team in the finals.
This is not quite what John O’Neill wanted for this year: finals with the top 6. Did the ARU boss have a premonition about what was coming in 2009, with Australia’s top 2 teams finishing just outside the top 4?
Speaking of which, the comment boxes on The Roar have been going crazy this week on the topic of whether the Waratahs should be in the top 4.
The villain of the piece is bonus points, without which NSW would have finished 4th ahead of the Crusaders.
This isn’t the first time this has happened, with the Crusaders also being usurpers of an Australian team in 2007: the Brumbies finished 5th with 9 wins (see point 1 above), whereas the Crusaders finished 3rd with 8 wins.
It was with this sort of scenario in mind that three weeks ago I wrote an article “Should bonus points be booted?”
The predominantly Australian readers of the The Roar were strongly in favour of retaining bonus points (BPs), because they encourage positive play. This even despite the fact that BPs clearly work against Australian teams.
At the same time, the majority opinion on talkback radio in New Zealand has been that bonus points are unfair, this despite the fact that evidently they advantage New Zealand teams.
Go figure. Is there some sort of reverse psychology at work here in the differing responses of each country?
Despite having deep respect for the opinions of Roarers, I cannot escape from the fact that the Crusaders “earned” a BP for their loss in the most boring match of Super Rugby ever played, a 0-6 thriller in Dunedin. Ultimately that BP has put them in the semis ahead of the Waratahs. It beats me how it can be argued that this system gives deserved rewards for positive rugby.
Another point I made in my article is that for-and-against largely does the same job as BPs. For example, the top 3 this year would still be Bulls, Chiefs, Hurricanes in that order if one had the simple system (as in most sports, e.g. the NRL) of wins as the first criterion for table position, for-and-against as the second. So why have bonus points?
Having said all the above, I do note that the Crusaders beat every team in the top 6 this year except for the Hurricanes. From this perspective they are deserving of their trip to Pretoria.
How did the Crusaders achieve this with so many injuries, so many departures from last year, and a novice coaching staff? One wonders if they are like the Australian cricket team, which surprised people by not collapsing after all the departures at the end of 2006-7, including that of coach Buchanan (analogous to Robbie Deans).
Perhaps some great teams decline slowly, even after massive changes of personnel? That is what has happened to the Australian cricket team; the Crusaders too?
And so to my article two weeks ago, “Tipping the finalists in this year’s Super 14″. The only thing I was wrong about was the finishing order of the Chiefs and Hurricanes, which I had the other way around.
I admit I had a wimp’s tip for 4th, saying it would be either the Crusaders or the Waratahs or the Sharks – hardly profound.
And certainly as nothing compared with the New Zealand punter who is now $70,000 richer, having last week put $50 on all the victors from last weekend, each to win by 12 points or less.
What did this person know that I for one didn’t? Week-14 games in recent years have included blowouts like Cheetahs 20 Bulls 60 (2008), Bulls 92 Reds 3 (2007), Crusaders 30 Brumbies 3 (2006), and so on.
I find it unusual how close all the matches were last weekend – heck, even the cash-register Reds managed to hang in there with the ‘Canes. GIven this, I wonder whether we are in for a season of cliffhangers in the Trinations.
My tips from here? Well I do not think that the Bulls are the best team in the tournament, but it takes a brave man to bet against them when they are at home against a recently arrived team from 10 time-zones away. And that scenario repeats if they beat the Crusaders.
Finally, who is your player of the tournament?
Mine is Matt Giteau, for his week-in, week-out brilliance.
A close second, and the New Zealand player of the tournament, is Ma’a Nonu for me.
I don’t watch the South African teams as much – see that point about time-zones! – but my stab in the dark for their player of the tournament would be Pierre Spies.
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May 22nd 2009 @ 4:29am
Knives Out said | May 22nd 2009 @ 4:29am | Report comment
‘There may be some debate about whether Australia has the playing strength for an extra Super Rugby franchise, but one thing is for sure from these numbers: South Africa does not.’
Just briefly – it should be recognised that SA has a huge amount of quality footballers plying their trade in Europe.
May 22nd 2009 @ 4:59am
Loftus said | May 22nd 2009 @ 4:59am | Report comment
Greg, I can t understand why you decided that the Bulls aren t the best team in the competition.They say that the log never lies.This Bulls team has won 10 of their 13 matches and it could ve been 11 if the ref saw the blatant knock on by the Brumbies that led to a ‘try’. Add to that the fact that they had a tour schedule from hell – they played all the strongest teams,except the Chiefs, away from home (that s 5 weeks away from home). Also, they ve played 7 games away from home and just 6 at home. And please,let s not forget the ridiculous citings and harsh suspensions for the Bulls players compared to other players with similar offences.So,I don t know about you, but to me it looks like the best team of the 2009 Super 14 has rightly finished at the top of the table.
May 22nd 2009 @ 7:46am
sheek said | May 22nd 2009 @ 7:46am | Report comment
Greg,
1. I am increasingly in favour of the team with most wins going through. So, based on 2009 results, the Waratahs & not the Crusaders should be 4th. Despite being a Sydney based Aussie, I consider myself very fair-minded (if occasionally cantankerous!).
2. Australia must have a 5th provincial team to further grow the game. This will cause short-term pain with overall results, but the long-term benefit must never be lost sight of (which has been the case in the past).
3. The Bulls may not be the best team in the tournament, but they get to play both their finals at home, assuming they also win the semi. No one else can match their game at Loftus Versfeld. And they’re very consistent. Bulls to win S14.
May 22nd 2009 @ 8:03am
Sam Taulelei said | May 22nd 2009 @ 8:03am | Report comment
Greg
The Hurricanes were the first team to win all 3 matches in SA in 1997.
May 22nd 2009 @ 8:06am
Sam Taulelei said | May 22nd 2009 @ 8:06am | Report comment
sorry 1998
May 22nd 2009 @ 8:42am
Bay35Pablo said | May 22nd 2009 @ 8:42am | Report comment
Where is this lynch mob of Tah fans calling for blood? Everyone I know hasn’t been screaming at the moon. We got pipped. Swings and roundabouts. Could have been the other way around.
The BP system works. The Crusaders deserved a BP for a 0-6 loss because they kept the game close, which is what the system is design to encourage (as well as scoring tries). Keep in mind the massive defence required for that score line. The fact no one scored a try doesn’t mean it was necessarily a bad game, or the attacks were poor. Remember that origin game of years ago where the score was like 4-2 or something?
The Bulls were the best team, because they won the most games. Consistency. How else do you measure who was a better team? Aesthetics? Potential? Potentially the Reds could play great footy and beat everyone. Where did they finish? By that token you may as well start talking about all the World Cups the ABs should have won because they were the “best” team. Or whether the Wallabies were a better team than England in 2003. Etc etc.
May 22nd 2009 @ 8:59am
Sam Taulelei said | May 22nd 2009 @ 8:59am | Report comment
Greg
Like Sheek I’m also in favour of the team with the most wins qualifying for the playoffs. If you search through various threads discussing the topic of bonus points you’ll find that I am in favour of only awarding bonus points to the winning team however I’m very much in the minority on this point.
With regards to player strength for an extra Australian conference team. I’ve changed my opinion and believe there are enough players to support another team but it boils down to the quality of those players. I’ve been guilty as much as anyone when debating this topic in the past in pointing to the relative depth of players as applied to a whole country. I’ve since rethought my position and realise that this is a common fallacy.
Player depth in Super rugby is only representative of the area that players are drawn from and not the country as a whole. When the test season begins and respective national squads are selected, those players are consolidated into one team and not spread over multiple teams. A team like the Crusaders that has lost a host of experienced quality players to retirement, injury and overseas clubs can still introduce and develop some raw talent like some factory conveyor belt without suffering too greatly. The Hurricanes has modelled itself after the Crusaders investing heavily in its local player development and doesn’t have to rely so heavily on the draft to recruit players.
Australia doesn’t have a domestic national competition (a constant thorn in the side for Sheek) like the Currie Cup and ANZPC so local players have to make a larger jump from club competition to an international representative competition. The strength and conditioning requirements are different, speed and intensity of the contests are different, the sizes of opposition players are different. It will take some of them longer to adjust and as injury tolls mount, the lack of another competition just beneath Super rugby illustrates the difficulty for the Reds this year in getting 15 fit players on the park.
Australia may yet see a player draft introduced with the inclusion of five teams as it doesn’t make sense to have three talented first fives at the Brumbies all competing for game time and the Force scouring the globe for one.
May 22nd 2009 @ 9:56am
van der Merwe said | May 22nd 2009 @ 9:56am | Report comment
Nonu is a textbook basher, but he strikes me as being lazy when it comes to the tackling. For NZ player of the season, I would probably go with Mils, who has been very heroic throughout his teams’ campaign. From leading counter attack after counter attack, to shattering Jantjes leg, to fielding high ball after high ball, he has done it all.
Spies has been awesome this year and should be wearing the green 8 Jersey against the Lions. The way he trampled rival Ryan Kankowski into the dirt last week all but confirmed this. My SA pick though, would go to Brussow, who was pretty much single handedly responsible for the defeats the lowly Cheetahs inflicted on the Sharks and Crusaders.
May 22nd 2009 @ 10:00am
Sam Taulelei said | May 22nd 2009 @ 10:00am | Report comment
VDM
Mils and Adam Thompson from the Highlanders would be my picks and I am a fan of Brussow as well.
May 22nd 2009 @ 10:39am
Rusty said | May 22nd 2009 @ 10:39am | Report comment
Greg,
Regarding “There may be some debate about whether Australia has the playing strength for an extra Super Rugby franchise, but one thing is for sure from these numbers: South Africa does not.”
I agree with you to an extent, SA is struggling to conisistently provide quality sides that can win away from home. Always have, but the figures are skewed by the perenial cellar dwellers the Lions and Cheetahs who cant buy an away win in the comp (but somehow upset all sorts at home). In the same token you could include the Reds for the Australia franchises but as they are only 25% of the equation where the 2 SA teams are 40% you get a misleading picture. As I have quoted in another thread, the only meaningful picture to look at is finalists and looking at this information from the point of the Super 14 expansion you will see in the last 4 years there has only been 2 Ozzie finalists as opposed to SAs 6. On the basis of that information I would say Australian rugby at this point is barely able to support 4 teams let alone another.
Australia Team Positions in Super 14 since expansion
2006 – Tahs (3), Brumbies (6), Reds (12), Force (14)
2007 – Brumbies (5), Force (7),Tahs (13), Reds (14)
2008 – Tahs (2), Force (8), Brumbies (9), Reds (12)
2009 – Tahs (5), Brumbies (7), Force (8), Reds (13)
SA Team Positions in Super 14 since expansion
2006 – Bulls (4), Sharks (5), Cheetahs (10), Stormers (11) , Lions (13)
2007 – Sharks (1), Bulls (2), Stormers (10), Cheetahs (11) , Lions (12)
2008 – Sharks (3), Stormers (5), Bulls (10), Cheetahs (13) , Lions (14)
2009 – Bulls (1), Sharks (6), Stormers (10), Lions (12) , Cheetahs (14)
Just in case you think I am advocating another SA team – Im not, I think we have the player depth but lack the coaches with skills at this high level to deliver across all teams. How else can you explain The Cheetahs being Currie Cup winners (05,06,07) but completely crap in the Super 14 and unable to beat effectively the same teams?