Don’t AFL realise that Western Sydney is not a place?
By Steven Gibbs, 15 Oct 2009 Steven Gibbs is a Roar Rookie
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Administrators of the AFL need to rethink the relationship between place identity and demographic markets when expanding their competition in coming years.
Unfortunately, on the evidence of the proposed Western Sydney franchise, administrators are conflating the two, creating an entity based largely on a market demographic which no actual identity to which fans can attach their allegiances.
From an economic perspective, a new team in Australia’s most populous city seems like a smart decision. Furthermore, locating the team in western Sydney makes intuitive sense, as this is where a large percentage of Sydney’s population lives.
Unfortunately, Western Sydney is not a place. It does not exist. It is a figment of the imagination of a marketing executive working somewhere in the AFL commerce section, using statistical data to calculate emerging populations in key demographic areas.
It is a manifestation of the economic imperative that dominates decisions-makers and administrators running our leading football codes. Unless these administrators understand the difference between a demographic market and place-based identity, the new Western Sydney football club will not flourish.
Take the fundamental flaw in the naming of this new team: Western Sydney.
Imagine you are an AFL fan living in Blacktown, devoted to the game you love. In Blacktown, you already have a local team to follow, the Sydney Swans, because Blacktown is, believe it or not, part of Sydney.
Calling the new team Western Sydney implies that somehow the Sydney Swans’ identity does not include the western suburbs of Sydney. Are western Sydney’s Swans fans expected to support the new team when it launches in the new competition?
If the Western Sydney team does enter the competition, will the Sydney Swans be rebranded the Eastern Sydney Swans?
Locating head office and training facilities in Blacktown and playing games out of Homebush might make sense to a marketeer who sees western Sydney as a homogenous lump but to others familiar with Sydney’s geography, these places are worlds apart.
From Blacktown’s perspective, Homebush is positively beachfront.
It’s either fraudulent or misguided to suggest that a team based at Homebush would represent AFL fans who live in places like Blacktown.
I can see how it might seem possible on paper but in reality there’s no related identity.
I can also see the marketing logic in using the name Western Sydney. To an administrator trained in economics and business management, they convince themselves that an identity can be created around a demographic market.
Unfortunately, people in western Sydney, in my experience anyway, don’t think of themselves in their day-to-day place-making activities at belonging to an entity called Western Sydney.
The place they call home tends to go by more localised names, such as the suburb name or the nearest centre (such as Blacktown, Parramatta or Penrith; western Sydney is full of mini-cities).
The AFL needs to latch onto an actual identity that relates to the people of western Sydney rather than attempting to impose one from above.
To this end, I dare the AFL to name their team after an actual place in western Sydney such as Blacktown or Parramatta. At least Parramatta is close to Homebush, which is located on the Parramatta River.
Experience from existing teams in both the NRL and AFL shows that although places are important in maintaining an identity, fan-bases are not always wholly located within the location of the team’s base.
Every AFL team has fans located throughout the country. An AFL team called Blacktown or Parramatta would provide a base for the team’s operations and a place-based identity that would appeal to people in the western Sydney demographic, even if they don’t strictly live in those places.
If I can use language the administrators will understand, simply calling a team Western Sydney creates a placeless entity that will result in your key demographic failing to make a connection to the new team. Despite your intuitive feeling to the contrary, this will limit future financial returns for the AFL’s 18th team.
Your Western Sydney franchise will not survive unless you recognise the importance of place in fans’ engagement with your sport. I’m sorry to tell you this, but Western Sydney is not a place.
You just made it up.
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tifosi said | October 15th 2009 @ 5:19am | Report comment
All the research that new a-league club Sydney Rovers did indicated that having West/Western in the name would be a serious mistake.
The AFL should use this knowledge.
Freud of Football said | October 15th 2009 @ 4:48pm | Report comment
Stop believing that there was a whole lot of research done. Rovers is a plaything, the name was chosen not on the basis of what the fans in the area might like but on the whim of what the new owners want.
Pippinu said | October 15th 2009 @ 6:56am | Report comment
Interesting perspective, and it’s true that the Rovers have shunned the name West Sydney (much to the chagrin of many soccer fans I might add).
Blacktown was the catalyst for the whole idea, and I wouldn’t mind that being pursued as a naming option.
In fact, an all black guernsey would be unique.
Also, the nick name “All Blacks” has a nice ring to it.
I wonder if such a nick name has ever been used?
hazey.the.bear said | October 15th 2009 @ 7:09am | Report comment
But Pip,
What would they wear as an “away” strip?!?
DT said | October 15th 2009 @ 8:08am | Report comment
Easy – black strip with vertical white stripes. Can’t see that causing any problems.
Pippinu said | October 15th 2009 @ 8:16am | Report comment
Chris said | October 15th 2009 @ 8:27am | Report comment
Only a matter of time before the PC mob get up in arms over the words “All Blacks”…
Pippinu said | October 15th 2009 @ 7:11am | Report comment
White shorts?
Redb said | October 15th 2009 @ 7:31am | Report comment
Good article. There is much truth in what you are saying.
”Greater Western Sydney’ is not any better.
As Tifosi suggests take note of the 2nd Sydney A League team’s research which to me makes sense, maybe call the new AFL team the Sydney Rams as opposed to Western Sydney Rams.
The origins of the team and where it markets itself will to attract fans will become obvious over time, I’d imagine they’re not going to run ‘Sydney Rams’ programs on the North Shore for example.
Take note AFL admin.
Redb
Pippinu said | October 15th 2009 @ 7:36am | Report comment
Add to that that there are already two AFL teams with West/Western before their names – so it probably is opportune to think about something else.
However, does the AFL want another team just called “Sydney”?
Redb said | October 15th 2009 @ 7:46am | Report comment
why not, Sydney is a proven bandwagon town probably widen their appeal rather than narrow it.
The Swans have already lost their bandwagon fans from 2005-2007 anyway, finished well out of the 8 and still averaged 28,000 to games. They have a niche and when they re-build on the field will go well again.
Call it Sydney…….. market to Western Sydney and greater NSW. Leave the coast to the Swans.
Can’t be all things to all people anyway.
Redb
Dogs Of War said | October 15th 2009 @ 7:48am | Report comment
Does Sydney want another AFL team is probably a better question.
Redb said | October 15th 2009 @ 7:53am | Report comment
They wont know until they get one.
Did Melbourne want a rugby league team in 1998?
Does Melbourne want a second A League team next year?
Did Sydney want the Swans in 1981?
They wont know until they get one.
Redb
M1tch said | October 28th 2009 @ 11:23am | Report comment
except for the 2nd aleague team (which will fail)
all codes are ‘allowed’ to have 1 team in expansion areas..
afl was in their rights to goto sydhey, league same with storm
but seriously their is not much to justify a west sydney afl team..same if NRL went to melb again
Pippinu said | October 28th 2009 @ 11:26am | Report comment
Mitch
in 20 years time, the NRL might do that.
If we believe Oikee – the NRL might even do it within a few years!!
AndyRoo said | October 15th 2009 @ 9:57am | Report comment
How can RedB with zero market research and dollars spent get it right but the AFL make such a blunder.
Makes me wonder what other mistakes are in their research…perhaps they will be playing in hot pink and fluro orange because that’s what their market research suggests ‘we want something different that we can wear riding our bikes at night”.
Sydney Rams would be a perfect name. I think people in the Hills District or the Blue Mountains would like the name and it wouldn’t be the turn off “west” sydney is.
Calling it by a suburban name doesn’t sound right either, the name Blacktown has worst stigma than West Sydney in my mind. I know it’s had a bit of a property boom since I last went their but I wouldn’t suggest naming the Gold Coast team Labrador either.
That said it is just a name.
Redb said | October 15th 2009 @ 10:07am | Report comment
To be honest, I think the 2nd Sydney A League team is what twigged the answer for me, maybe it will do the same for the AFL.
up until then I was scratching my head as to how the AFL would market the team for the generic Western Sydney.
Redb
Pippinu said | October 15th 2009 @ 10:14am | Report comment
What about a Sydney Rovers super-football club: playing in the A-League, AFL and Super rugby (for the 6th Aust Franchise).
Product differentiation? No worries, piece of piss:
We can have the:
Sydney Rovers (A-League gets first dibs at it)
Sydney Ruck Rovers
Sydney Rolling Mauls
JimC said | October 16th 2009 @ 1:01am | Report comment
Based on the efforts of current ARU players it would be Sydney Dropping Balls rather than Sydney Rolling Mauls
Brett McKay said | October 15th 2009 @ 11:21am | Report comment
Redb, I’m sure the ARU owns West/Western Sydney Rams as a brand anyway, it was the old ARC team…
Great article by the way Steven, a lot of very good points…
Redb said | October 15th 2009 @ 12:19pm | Report comment
Brett,
I know that it was the ARC team name for WS, does it still hold the name/copyright?
Not a big deal, if they go Sydney Rams anyway I suppose.
Redb
Pippinu said | October 15th 2009 @ 12:21pm | Report comment
There has been a combined NSW/ACT U18 team called the Rams since the mid 90s.
Brett McKay said | October 15th 2009 @ 12:32pm | Report comment
Redb, i assume they do, but say that with no evidence to back it up. When Brett Papworth emerged as the head of a consortium for a WS S15 side (before the ARU eventually decided Melbourne would be Australia’s preferred option), he and they referred to their team as the Western Sydney Rams, and claimed “a known brand” as a positive.
I’d be surprised if the ARU let any of the rights to the ARC names go, although if anyone wanted East Coast Aces, I reckon they’d be welcome to it…
Redb said | October 15th 2009 @ 12:46pm | Report comment
Sounds about right.
Michael C said | October 15th 2009 @ 12:51pm | Report comment
how about a variation on “West Sydney Rams” and
go for the “West Sydney Studs”…..
Chris said | October 15th 2009 @ 1:05pm | Report comment
Ballymore Tornadoes anyone?
Chris said | October 15th 2009 @ 8:25am | Report comment
There are limitless examples of two teams having the same place name. NY Jets/NY Giants, Yankees/Mets, Manchester United/City. I can easily see the Sydney Swans and Sydney Rams/Celtics/Whatever they will be called being able to both go under the name “Sydney”.
Pippinu said | October 15th 2009 @ 8:40am | Report comment
Good point.
Although I know in the NRL two (or even three) teams experimented with a name change to just Sydney – but I’m not sure if it worked out for them.
Chris said | October 15th 2009 @ 11:22am | Report comment
They all had a history in the individual suburbs in the first place. Obviously having Sydney Tigers, Sydney Bulldogs and Sydney Roosters (were there any others) in the one competition was crazy when all three already had a large fan base under their traditional names. I wish the Roosters would either change their name to “Easts” or move to a different city!
Brett McKay said | October 15th 2009 @ 11:27am | Report comment
Pip, you’re thinking of the mid-90′s and the ARL comp (at the time, prior to the NRL), and you had Sydney City, North Sydney, South Sydney, Sydney (Tigers) and Sydney (Bulldogs).
Interestingly enough, the two Sydneys are now Wests Tigers and (about to be) Canterbury Bulldogs again. Sometimes broader branding means nothing. North Sydney of course either does or doesn’t exist now (depending on your perspective), South Sydney were omitted then readmitted, and Sydney City is now just Sydney.
James said | October 15th 2009 @ 8:55am | Report comment
I don’t think that they have finalised the name yet. I like what they have done and what they will be doing with the Greater Western Sydney concept…I think most people in the region will know by the end of next year that a team in the AFL is on its way…no one does marketing quite like the AFL. To that end, I think GWS as a working title is fine for the short term to just build awareness
As for the final name, West Coast Eagles and Western Bulldogs have worked well.
However, rather then just focus on one area, i.e. Blacktown, perhaps another name like Sydney xxxxx will work fine…whatever the decision, you have rest assured that the AFL will complete their due dilligence…is there are better run professional sporting competition in the country??
Redb said | October 15th 2009 @ 10:12am | Report comment
James,
Just an observation….
They could have called the first Western Australian team in the AFL the ‘West Esperance Sea Eagles’ and it would have worked.
Not so sure the renaming of Footscray to ‘Western’ Bulldogs has made much of a difference given the club markets itself to the western suburbs of Melbourne particularly to migrants who dont carry the snobbish atttudes of those on the other side of the Yarra.
Redb
Michael C said | October 15th 2009 @ 10:27am | Report comment
Yeah, not sure we need another ‘West’ (ish) team,
but, the AFL doesn’t have any “Centrals”, and given that I doubt there’ll be an Alice Springs side in under the “Central Australia” banner, then,
let’s have the “Centrals”, avoiding “Central Districts” from the SANFL, but, either “Central Sydney”….i.e. more related to the demographic centre than the railway station!!!
The Truth said | October 15th 2009 @ 9:04am | Report comment
So then who the hell are Wests Tigers? Half that club came from a team which claimed, by name, to represent the greater western Sydney since 1908. Have things changed so much?
Chris said | October 15th 2009 @ 11:26am | Report comment
In fiarness the population of the West Sydney in 1908 was about the same as East/North and South Sydney. Now it is of course much larger. Wheras then “Western Suburbs” basically referred to a small town with a common identity, now it clearly does not.
Michael C said | October 15th 2009 @ 9:10am | Report comment
The name “Western Sydney Football Club Ltd” is the registered legal name. THey needed something.
The website refers to “TEAM GWS” which is a ‘working title’,
there’s absolutely nothing finalised at this point.
Personally I reckon “SydneyFC” and “Sydney Rovers” is a bit wrong…but, then I have to look at more regional examples and just look at a Wangaratta example of Wangaratta Football Club, Wangaratta Rovers Football Club (both in the O&M) and then North Wangaratta in the O&K….and on that basis I have to accept that there’s no problem with two “Sydney” soccer teams.
But I still don’t like it.
anyway, back in mid August when the AFL launched ‘Team GWS” and announced the Community Advisory Group etc, they also stated the following:
“The involvement and support of the local community is essential, from designing the team’s name, the team’s logo, colours, theme song and even the team mascot. We want people in the area to take ownership of this club.”
Michael B said | October 15th 2009 @ 9:17am | Report comment
Easy fix – Call both of them Sydney
Just change Sydney Swans name to Sydney Snobs & call the new Franchise Sydney Bogans
There you go. If there isn’t any identity in those names, then I’m not here!
Michael C said | October 15th 2009 @ 10:02am | Report comment
in respect to the tactics of some, how about the Nepean Flooders.
Pippinu said | October 15th 2009 @ 10:10am | Report comment
Are the nick names “silvertails” and “fibros” taken??