Socceroos overshadowed but deserving of praise
By Adrian Musolino, 25 Jun 2010 Adrian Musolino is a Roar Expert
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Australia's Tim Cahill celebrates after the World Cup group D soccer match between Australia and Serbia at Mbombela Stadium in Nelspruit, South Africa, Wednesday, June 23, 2010. (AP Photo/Luca Bruno)
It’s a real shame that the Socceroos’ gallant victory over Serbia was a mere sidebar on a historic day as Julia Gillard became our first female Prime Minister. As the Socceroos exited the 2010 World Cup with their heads held high, Kevin Rudd’s exit tears upstaged Lucas Neill’s.
With Australia’s focus inevitably on the leadership change within the Labor Party and Rudd’s demise, the Socceroos were bumped back to the back pages.
It’s not what they needed.
Their battle for redemption was overshadowed in the Ghana match by the controversy surrounding Harry Kewell’s red card and the subsequent penalty, while the rousing win against Serbia was overshadowed by politics.
Their campaign was deflated by the heavy defeat to Germany; both in terms of their ability to progress and limiting the bandwagon support back home.
Following the defeat viewing figures plunged and sadly that will be the lasting image many people may have of the 2010 World Cup campaign.
But as we know the Socceroos’ turn around was as drastic as Rudd’s demise.
The record books show they matched their 2006 haul of a win, draw and loss. But let’s not forget the manner in which they fought back into contention from the opening defeat, with a squad weaker than the 2006 version (certainly in terms of strikers), in a tougher group with a coach tactically less adept, and with the limitations of suspensions to two of our most important attacking options for our two most important games.
These factors make for an impressive campaign for the 2010 Socceroos, despite not reaching the final 16 as they did in 2006.
While pride was the overwhelming emotion after the match, there was also anger at what could have been had it not been for the defeat to Germany. It’s the inescapable reality we must face up to and, as I wrote earlier in the week, it should be remembered as an example of the attitude the Socceroos must never take into another game, no matter the perceived strength of the opponent.
Verbeek will now exit stage left with his tactical misjudgements and approach to the Germany game damaging his
legacy on Australian football.
Any damage done to the Socceroos brand as a result of the Germany defeat is likely to disappear with him, having become a much-maligned figure in his final days.
His comments to the Dutch press, which lead to Craig Foster’s latest outburst on last night’s SBS World Cup coverage, show yet again the lack of faith he had in his bench – something that was ultimately proved wrong.
And this is the focus for us now – the next generation of Socceroos.
The likes of Carney, Wilkshire, Cahill and co are still young enough for another campaign.
But with Craig Moore (34), Scott Chipperfield (34), Mark Schwarzer (37) and Harry Kewell (31 but with a groin approaching 71) unlikely to make it to 2014, attention must turn to the second tier Socceroos.
Some of them are already exerting their influence.
Carl Valeri’s impressive and steady performances in South Africa, especially in contrast with Vince Grella’s struggles, make him a guaranteed starter.
Melbourne Heart’s Michael Beauchamp is likely to replace Moore in the centre-back role (if the next Socceroos coach is more sympathetic to the A-League), with Rhys Williams also looming in the shadow for that role.
Brett Holman, the undisputed golden boy of the 2010 campaign with his goals against New Zealand (at the MCG farewell match), Ghana and Serbia, will help us plug the striker shortage and will hopefully be given more license to go forward in a more attacking Socceroos team under the next coach.
With the likes of Nikita Rukavytsya, Richard Garcia, Mark Milligan, Mile Jedinak and Dario Vidošić on the brink of the starting eleven, and Shane Lowry, James Holland, Tommy Oar, Mathew Leckie and Ben Kantarovski with the potential to develop exponentially over the coming years, the next generation of Socceroos doesn’t look as bleak as many fear.
And let’s not forget the multitude of young Aussies scattered around Europe and emerging through the A-League and national youth league.
Beyond the golden generation, there is a nucleus of a team to build around as attention turns to January’s Asian Cup and qualifying for Brazil 2014.
But, as we’ve seen so clearly at this World Cup, they need a coach who can utilise these options to the best of their ability.
As Craig Foster argues, it’s one of the biggest decisions the FFA face in a crucial year for the code.
With the A-League set to kick-off in August, with the Melbourne Heart debuting and attention on the struggles of earlier expansion franchises in North Queensland and the Gold Coast, the FFA will be hoping for some sort of boost from the World Cup euphoria.
In December we discover if our bid for the 2022 World Cup is successful just as the new Socceroos coach prepares for the Asian Cup a month later.
Let’s hope the Socceroos can build on the momentum they showed in the final group match in Asia because, in case you missed it while watching Julia take the Lodge, they played bloody well, leaving us to ask what could have been with a Round of 16 clash against the beatable USA and a quarter-final match against Asian rivals South Korea or our old nemesis Uruguay.
Across the Tasman there has been so much political upheaval to overshadow the exploits of the All Whites, who can hold their heads high after exiting the tournament undefeated following a 0-0 draw with Paraguay.
Finishing a point above the defending champions Italy, as well as holding them to a draw, is a remarkable achievement, and full credit to Ricki Herbert and co.
As for Italy, the defending champs when out swinging in a remarkable match against Slovakia but were too impotent throughout the rest of the tournament, undoubtedly hamstrung by the absence of Andrea Pirlo.
They won’t be missed based on their earlier performances.
There is a great line doing the rounds on the Internet which says this World Cup is developing a lot like World War Two – France surrender early, USA leave it late to get going, and Germany and England fight it out.
Now we can add Italy providing nothing meaningful to the battle with a limp attack.
As for Australia, it was a spirited campaign that did much for showcasing Aussie grit on the world stage.
It’s just a shame about that early German blitzkrieg in Durban.
Re-live the thrilling climax to Group F as it happened with Tony Tannous’ detailed analysis HERE.
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Marshall said | June 25th 2010 @ 6:31am | Report comment
Socceroos games were on at worst possible time too. Two 4:30ams and the serbia game was a weekday. Real shame we didn’t get a 9:30 game, especially for Serbia.
punter said | June 25th 2010 @ 7:33am | Report comment
There were no 9.30pm games for the final matches in any group.
Mister Football said | June 25th 2010 @ 7:52am | Report comment
It’s just a game.
No big deal.
LIfe goes on.
All the best to Julia.
punter said | June 25th 2010 @ 8:27am | Report comment
Life does go on.
But the fun all begins as we head to the 2nd round, the cream comes to the top.
whiskeymac said | June 25th 2010 @ 9:51am | Report comment
Mister F – you referring to politics or football ? =)
The Special One said | June 25th 2010 @ 8:05am | Report comment
I Wonder how Kevin Rudd’s demotion affects the World Cup bid.
He was the main driver of it in the labor party and along with kate ellis was the face of it. It will be interesting to see how labor treat it now.
As for Italy, Lippi gets what he deserves, he was told on many occassions that his squad was over the hill yet he didnt listen.
He even criticized “the special one’s” coaching ability. Yet who won the Champions League Lippi and who is on the way home ?
Mister Football said | June 25th 2010 @ 8:08am | Report comment
Julia Gillard is a bullies fan first, second and third.
She has the same fondnes for soccer as your average Australian.
whiskeymac said | June 25th 2010 @ 9:52am | Report comment
by average you mean below standard or mean?
Art Sapphire said | June 25th 2010 @ 9:53am | Report comment
Your contempt for football in Australia continues unabated, MF. Its laughable.
Nice to see the Azzurri bow out. Imagine that, finishing below the Kiwis.
punter said | June 25th 2010 @ 10:27am | Report comment
She would like to play full forward, which means she doesn’t know the game very well.
Unless it’s me, I live in NSW & like the average person north of Murray knows little about Aussie rules.
Mister Football said | June 25th 2010 @ 7:52pm | Report comment
Speaking of our illustrious new leader, I just noticed some mentions she’s getting in the overseas media.
LA Times:
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/wire/sns-ap-as-australia-politics,0,889242.story
Typical of Gillard’s style was her tart reply just last month when asked if she would replace Rudd. She said she was more likely to be picked to play for the Western Bulldogs, an Australian Rules football team
and in Germany:
http://www.ftd.de/politik/international/:kopf-des-tages-julia-gillard-erst-putsch-dann-mal-weitersehen/50133881.html
Sie hat Humor. Auf die Frage eines Reporters, ob sie nun am Sonntag für die Bulldogs stürmen werde, antwortete sie: “Ich kann Ihnen verraten, dass ich per SMS eine Einladung dazu von (Bulldogs-Star) Jason Akermanis erhalten habe – aber das ist eine Rolle, die ich nicht spielen werde.”
Loose translation: She has humour for a Westie. She reckons she can do a better torp than Jason Akermanis, both feet too.
It’s good to see Australian sport being mentioned in a positive light overseas.
Farqwar said | June 25th 2010 @ 10:04am | Report comment
I think any Prime Minister would realise the diplomatic power of football, regardless of what their favourite sport is.
Alders said | June 25th 2010 @ 4:41pm | Report comment
Haha you can’t be serious. It is a game. Just a game. That is all.
MVDave said | June 25th 2010 @ 5:10pm | Report comment
Maybe to you Alders…although you do seem to spend a great deal of time on the football blogs, but some take it a little more seriously… http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/world_cup_2010/8756210.stm
From that BBC article;
“President Sarkozy held a government meeting on Wednesday to discuss what went wrong after Les Bleus finished bottom of their group.
“The head of state asked the ministers to ensure that those responsible learn the lessons of this disaster quickly,” Sarkozy’s office said in a statement, implying that football officials could resign. “He also asked the ministers to ensure that no financial reward is given.”
Prime Minister Francois Fillon, sports minister Roselyne Bachelot and junior sports minister Rama Yade joined Sarkozy to discuss how a country that won the World Cup in 1998 and reached the final in 2006 could only finish bottom of their group in 2010, with only one point and a single goal.”
Yep just a game.
As the famous Liverpool manager Bill Shankly is credited with saying… “Some people believe football is a matter of life and death, I am very disappointed with that attitude. I can assure you it is much, much more important than that.”
alders said | June 25th 2010 @ 5:59pm | Report comment
Yes, just a game.
Please tell me that you are intelligent enough to realise that this is just political popularism. Furthermore, In France the government does have a significant involvement with their national sporting sides and the regulation of national sporting competitions.
Just a game.
Alders said | June 25th 2010 @ 8:20pm | Report comment
As for the Liverpool quote I am sure I could find a similar quote for Star Wars.
Chris K said | June 26th 2010 @ 2:28pm | Report comment
You clearly haven’t been to South America
AGO74 said | June 25th 2010 @ 10:42am | Report comment
No change. Kate Ellis doesn’t strike me as knowing much about any sport bar AFL but she’s handled it as well as you can hope for. Both sides of politics support it and the vast majority of FIFA’s voting delegates wouldn’t even know who Kevin Rudd is.
James D said | June 25th 2010 @ 8:19am | Report comment
Poor socceroos… because of Julia and Kev they can not be praised on the front pages for being heroes and showing pride in the jersey after a poor performance… Any other sport in this country (ANY) has a team that goes backwards at a tournament and the media and people have a field day ripping them to shreds (wallabies, kangaroos, Cricketers, lawn bowls, AFL anyone) but bloody soccer gets a free run. Im glad i don’t have to hear it for 4 years. Thanks Julia and Kev. Showing pride in the jersey pfft… Saia Faingaa is in tears after his first game as a wallaby cause he is that moved by being selected and playing and no one writes articles about him “showing pride” in the jersey.
punter said | June 25th 2010 @ 8:23am | Report comment
That is because the World cup is on, not the Rugby World cup or Cricket world cup, this the World cup.
I was there on sat night & Faingaa played well, but what a boring 2nd half.
James D said | June 25th 2010 @ 8:33am | Report comment
Yes i am aware it is the world cup and this has nothing to do with Faingaa i was referring to an interview he had after the game where he was so proud to be a wallaby he was in tears and instead for a win a loss and a draw the socceroos are heroes in the media – it annoys me that no matter what they do they get a free ride and yet everyother sport that had a team performed worse than last time would be ridiculed.
Al said | June 25th 2010 @ 9:36am | Report comment
The Aussies were ridiculed, they were savaged after the Germany game, the way they turned their campaign around with a stirring display against the best African side with only ten men for the majority and a victory against one of the strongest teams from Europe is why they’re getting praised. Their performance specifically against the Serbs is consistent with the never say die Aussie attitude. They had little hope in reaching the next round yet they came mighty close, other teams and countries would have just keeled over (the French).
Australia is also not a powerhouse in world football, we aren’t beating up on 3rd world countries playing cricket, or small pacific island nations in rugby union, this is a sport played by the entire planet and we aren’t even close to the top so to come out fighting the way we did at the end shows more of the Australian character than any sledging Australian cricket team or some Aussie Rules “international rules” team ever has.
Alders said | June 25th 2010 @ 9:55pm | Report comment
Rice is eaten around the globe but it doesn’t mean it is the best food in the world.
Chris K said | June 26th 2010 @ 2:31pm | Report comment
invalid point
Alders said | June 27th 2010 @ 10:39pm | Report comment
Would you like to explain how?
punter said | June 25th 2010 @ 10:46am | Report comment
You must’ve been the most disappointing man in Australia after the Rugby WC final in 2003.
Yes I was disappointed not to win, but I knew that without Eales & Horan, add to the fact Larkham & Gregan were no longer at the height of their powers, but I knew Australia was not as strong as we were in 1999.
After the beatings we got from the Kiwis in the Tri-nations that year I didn’t hold much hope, but to beat NZ in the semi & then take England to extra time I was very proud.
But according to your judgement, we performed worse than last time & hence needed to be ridiculed.
The Special One said | June 25th 2010 @ 8:27am | Report comment
James D,
From what I heard the media did tear Australia apart after the first game.
Its how you respond that matters, which the socceroos did.
James D said | June 25th 2010 @ 8:29am | Report comment
And they responded by not progressing in the tournament (doing worse than last time) – and instead showing pride in the jersey.
AndyRoo said | June 25th 2010 @ 8:47am | Report comment
They responded by taking 4 points from 6 from their next game and bar an unlucky red card would have probably have taken 6 and be in the next round.
Also it’s only the Rugby Media and fans that slate the Wallabies like crazy. The rest of us are much more fair on them and gave them a tick for beating England in the first test while you guys cried about scrums.
Edit: Next year when the Wallabies play their first world cup in a tv friendly time since 2003 you will see the bandwagon in full force.
James D said | June 25th 2010 @ 8:55am | Report comment
But they DIDNT take 6 points and are not in the next round. Thats the thing that gets me!
“They played well and shoulda won!” NO they were not good enough and did not deserve to go through…
But they were proud to be there…….
The Special One said | June 25th 2010 @ 9:12am | Report comment
Look at Italy and France, both finalists 4 years ago, this time around reduced to abject failure.
If that doesnt show you how hard it is to perform at a Football World Cup, i dont know what does.
No one is pretending the socceroos are ever going to win a world cup unlike a cricket or rugby one where Australia should be always up there.
If the wallabies perform badly they would deserve more scorn than the socceroos.
Farqwar said | June 25th 2010 @ 9:13am | Report comment
Beating Serbia would be the equivalent of beating the All Blacks in Rugby. It’s just that their are 15 other teams at that level and a handful of better teams that have no equivalent in Rugby.
When was the last time the Wallabies beat NZ or SA or played an entertaining game of Rugby?
AndyRoo said | June 25th 2010 @ 9:18am | Report comment
Some of us actually watch the games and don’t just read the scores JamesD that’s why we are proud of them. They also got the same amount of points as last time (despite two send offs) but the cards didn’t fall their way.
If the Wallabies got a man sent off in the 19th minute and held on for a draw against say France I would be proud of them whilst unless your an absolute hypocrite you would consider them losers.
Mega said | June 25th 2010 @ 9:29am | Report comment
James D, it’s because people realise how difficult the World Cup is. No disrespect to the other codes but the competition is nothing compared to football. We realise how challenging it actually is and how well Australia are doing considering the limitations on us – poor domestic league, country in which most of the best athletes play other football codes, etc.
Socboy said | June 25th 2010 @ 11:55am | Report comment
While I can see what most here are saying I can see what james is saying.
New Zealand also beat Serbia although pre world cup so kind of puts Serbia into perspective maybe their ranking belies their true abilities.
Ghana ranked 12 places lower than the Socceroos they should have won this game short and simple. But hey a draw is better than a loss.
All in all after all the hype pre world cup it is hard to see how this team can be classed as heroes?
The team of 2006 now they can be classed as Heroes they achieved something special and were robbed against Italy.
My summation of the Socceroos WC 2010
Failed miserably against Germany (Serbia beat these guys)
Ghana – While a good effort to draw with 10 men Australia should still have been able to win this match but didn’t, no point blaming soft red cards.
Serbia- A little too late lets get real here, and how big an achievement is it really especially when you take into consideration Serbia were also beaten by the 78th ranked team in the world?
Farqwar said | June 25th 2010 @ 12:03pm | Report comment
Well what exactly did the kiwi’s do to be treated as heroes? Defended well for 3 games.
Drawing to Italy wasn’t much of an achievement in hindsight, everyones doing it. Some are even beating them.
punter said | June 25th 2010 @ 12:15pm | Report comment
Scoboy, heroes maybe not but with their heads held high.
Any team that losses 4-0 in their first game & even ardent football fans like myself was thinking this is going to be ugly, we are going come home with the tail between our legs & the anti-sokka people were out in their droves, but to turn it around & nearly qualifying, drawing a game with a man down & winning the other was a good comeback.
Socboy said | June 25th 2010 @ 12:18pm | Report comment
Seems someones had a bit too much salt on their weet-bix this morning
NZ ranked 78th in the world
Drew with the current world Champions ranked 5th in the world, Drew with Paraguay ranked 31st and Slovakia 34th
All this after no one gave them a chance, the world expected them to get thrashed in every single match and they didn’t.
The rest of the world can respect it for the the phenomenal achievement it was pity there are negative people like yourself who can’t.
Seems someones had a bit too much salt on their weet bix this morning
Socboy said | June 25th 2010 @ 12:24pm | Report comment
They can look people in the eye yes for sure, but they still have to shoulder much of the responsibility for the campaign that did not go as planned.
They did well to save face in the end but they have the talent to have done so much better.
Farqwar said | June 25th 2010 @ 12:29pm | Report comment
I thought it was a remarkable achievement for the All Whites and I am very happy for what it will do for football in NZ and the region.
But with the exception of the first game I think the Aussies did well also. We took the game to Ghana(with 10 men) and Serbia and they were exciting matches. We are a good team but our skill levels are below that of Serbia and probably Ghana. We would have also earnt respect around the world.
So if you are going to find negatives about the Aussies then I can do the same about the Kiwi’s.
Why would I put salt on my Weet-Bix?
Socboy said | June 25th 2010 @ 12:42pm | Report comment
It’s hard to find too many negatives really considering they exceeded all expectations.
Amazing that even though they have done much better than anyone could have imagined people like you still try to find negatives.
Yes maybe they could have played better so you say.
But reality is it’s people like yourself who could not for a minute even fathom the All Whites drawing against the likes of Slovakia let alone Italy.
It’s all beer and gravy for NZ football right now the same can not be said of the Socceroos.
Australia saved face for sure and can take a lot of heart from that but reality is they dug a deep hole in that first match where they really let themselves down, it was always going to be a hard road to come back from and one we all know now they were just incapable of doing in the end.
The Socceroos left for SA with high hopes of Qualifying for the next round and this is clearly evident in the threads here I would suggest you go back and read through them. Use the search tool.
Is it the fact that maybe the fans expected too much in Australia’s case or maybe the world didn’t expect enough of the All Whites
Farqwar said | June 25th 2010 @ 1:00pm | Report comment
Most Aussie fans would have been hoping for a win and a draw. It was a tough group and betting indicated that the Aussies were the least favourite. They did well, goal difference in the first game killed us. We beat Serbia and outplayed Ghana with 10 men, it was a good effort, take your blinkers off.
If you get to the World Cup you gotta be ready to play, you can’t just use the, “we’re just little old NZ” line forever. As I said, I think NZ did quite well and can be proud. But I think the Aussies can be just as proud.
punter said | June 25th 2010 @ 2:36pm | Report comment
Scoboy, firstly lets deal with New Zealand, they have exceeded everyone’s expectation, together with Slovakia they have been the biggest & surprise package in this WC. Well done NZ, as good a jump as Australia in 06.
As for Australia if you told me before the WC, we will have 1 win, 1 draw & 1 lost, I would have taken that, no we did not exceed, hoping the the 4pts plus a favourable lost to Germany may have seen us thru. But this
was a tough group we could have very easily ended up with nil pts.
After the performance in Australia against NZ & the 2 warm up matches in Sth Africa & then a 4-0 drubbing, nil pts was what we were looking at, so to come back & win & draw, I think well done boys, you made us proud. This team is not as good as the Socceroos 06 team, but the fighting spirit after the first game was huge.
ItsCalledFootball said | June 25th 2010 @ 2:47pm | Report comment
The Socceroos and All Whites should be proud of what they achieved in the WC and as Foster says, we shouldn’t fear anyone in world football and just play to the best of our abilities and strenghts.
Simon Smith said | June 25th 2010 @ 2:55pm | Report comment
Scoboy, NZ defended for its 3 games and offered nothing technically of note that anyone could learn from.
Australia at least played FOOTBALL in a technical sense in its last 2 games. NZ offered nothing of note that a kid could learn from.
The next 4 years are going to be hell for you guys. Trust us, we won’t be helping you guys out this time around.
Eamonn Flanagan said | June 25th 2010 @ 9:18am | Report comment
Wow we crashed out of the World Cup and immediately change the PM…that’s taking football a tad too serious.
AndyRoo said | June 25th 2010 @ 9:20am | Report comment
If we don’t make it out of the group stage of the Asian cup, Gillard can pack her bags too.
Farqwar said | June 25th 2010 @ 9:28am | Report comment
I think it’s time we got an overseas Prime Minister.
Al said | June 25th 2010 @ 9:39am | Report comment
Not from the Netherlands!
Farqwar said | June 25th 2010 @ 9:59am | Report comment
South American politicians have a lot of flair!
ItsCalledFootball said | June 25th 2010 @ 11:29am | Report comment
Fantastic the way Demetriou orchestrated the demise of Kevin Rudd to keep the World Cup and the Socceroos off the front page of the newspapers.
BigAl said | June 25th 2010 @ 7:45pm | Report comment
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True . . . sooooo true ! – the man’s an evil genius.
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Mega said | June 25th 2010 @ 9:31am | Report comment
Disappointed cause we could have beaten the USA then South Korea/Uruguay and reached the semi!
Harvey the Scouser said | June 25th 2010 @ 9:35am | Report comment
coodabeen champeens of the world
AGO74 said | June 25th 2010 @ 10:53am | Report comment
Mega – it was a great opportunity but we don’t get it because we weren’t good enough. There was no guarantee we’d have beaten the USA who tonked us recently and IMO have been good in this tournament (and more unlucky than us with two perfectly good goals disallowed). As nice it would be for Ghana to win from an African perspective, I’d like to see the USA go through as they have played with spirit and endeavour whilst Ghana have been extremely negative and not true to their real capability. Like a lot of the African nations actually coached by supposedly superior Euro coaches.
Strange this Socceroos team. In many ways we’ve played worse than 4 years ago and yes we’ve failed to qualify, yet we’ve got the same outcome as in Germany (1 win, 1 draw, 1 loss) in arguably a tougher group. Anyway, I’m glad we at least came back after the disaster that was Durban and restored pride. Hopefully the lessons of Durban will be heeded by FFA and the new coach.
AndyRoo said | June 25th 2010 @ 9:46am | Report comment
Amusing stat…we got more points than Italy and France combined
The Bear said | June 25th 2010 @ 10:02am | Report comment
Any A League team that has MacKay as a CM is doomed to failure. Pim got what he wanted. A Euro snob if their ever was one. More players from Asia and Turkey must be coming back for these type of qualifiers in the future.
AGO74 said | June 25th 2010 @ 10:38am | Report comment
Interestingly Australia is not the only team to get punished for playing defensive football. Greece are out as are Italy. Only when each of these teams ‘had a go’ did they look like getting a result (read us against Ghana & Serbia, Greece against Nigeria and Italy against Slovakia).
A couple of teams who did qualify both played defensive football but the only qualified as a result of ditching defensive football for attacking. Slovakia were shameful against NZ & Paraguay but fantastic against Italy. Uruguay were defensive against France and looked very unconvincing, yet they were very good when they played attacking football against Sth Africa and Mexico.
Nice to see Japan go through. Pity we couldn’t make it 3 Asian qualifiers. That would’ve been a terrific story.
Al said | June 25th 2010 @ 10:58am | Report comment
Really good to see our confederation represented at the knockout rounds. Hoping that at least one of Japan or Sth Korea can make it to the quarter finals.
Beaver fever said | June 25th 2010 @ 11:00am | Report comment
Tv Ratings are in and …. what a suprise !!, ratings for what our biggest game yet against Serbia were terrible.
728,000, ratings are about 50% of 2006, maybe less, it may be possible that quite a few boring games, coupled with no goals are contributing to viewer turn off.
Al said | June 25th 2010 @ 11:05am | Report comment
728,000, ten years ago our national team would not have gotten a tenth of that. I’ll take that knowing that there is a very large core of loyal support for this national team now as indicated by the ratings. Couldn’t care less about the bandwagoners jumping off from the last world cup, the core group of people following this team has expanded incredibly over the past decade.
The Bear said | June 25th 2010 @ 11:42am | Report comment
I’d be interested in the numbers on “tour” c/f Germany. Perhaps for another time and place, eh?
AndyRoo said | June 25th 2010 @ 11:14am | Report comment
Fantastic on topic contribution as always Beaver.
If your looking for validation perhaps try posting it at
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=239
The Bear said | June 25th 2010 @ 11:19am | Report comment
Yeah, top stuff Beaver… solid contribution as always : /
Beaver fever said | June 25th 2010 @ 11:30am | Report comment
Thank you, the socceroos may have held their heads high in the last game, but the rest of OZ had theirs drooping.
I guess you would have to summise the reasons for this.
If you want to live in denial about this, dont respond or read my posts.
50% drop in tv ratings is very very big.
JF said | June 25th 2010 @ 11:38am | Report comment
A bit rich for the soccer folk to have a go at someone for highlighting the tv ratings, when they have been shoving the figures of the Aus Italy game down our throats for the last 4 years.
The Bear said | June 25th 2010 @ 11:43am | Report comment
I hope you can take the shoving for another four years…forty years etc : )
JF said | June 25th 2010 @ 11:49am | Report comment
Yes, I’d say you will be clinging to that one for a while. Much like the current Weet-Bix ad, still showing clips from 4 years ago.
AndyRoo said | June 25th 2010 @ 11:49am | Report comment
I have never ever talked about Socceroo TV ratings so why should I have to put up with Beaver who clearly doesn’t like football posting his “insight” in a football article?
I don’t think I should have to suffer for the actions of another soccer fan? I am not going to take revenge on Beaver by then going and ruining AFL threads with crap about Nth melbourne’s crowd or falling ratings in Sydney. I don’t care.
Their needs to be a code wars tab so that people who feel like it can indulge but it’s tiring when it’s on every thread. And I am a bit “over it” after all the World Cup bid articles.
Beaver fever said | June 25th 2010 @ 12:01pm | Report comment
Nth Melbournes crowds are down !!!!, MC will surely have you in his sights.
My post regarding TV ratings is quite relevant, in fact they are pointed out in this article by Adrian Musolino
Al said | June 25th 2010 @ 11:40am | Report comment
It proves that Australians are mostly a bunch of bandwagon jumpers, if they sense even the slightest hint of failure, they drop off, the socceroos don’t need that kind of support anyway.
As I said, the core support for our national team is huge in comparison to a decade ago. I remember Australian games at Olympic Park that would attract no more than 3,000 people in the 90′s, important World Cup qualifiers. The numbers today are incredibly encouraging as is the work being done at grassroots level.
Having seen Australia lose to the Solomon Islands and Fiji no more than 15 years ago, the marked improvement in the quality of the national team, in the interest in the team and in the profile of the sport has been incredible. Your TV ratings only substantiate the fact that the core support for this team and the sport has increased remarkably in a short period of time.
Farqwar said | June 25th 2010 @ 11:41am | Report comment
So about 1/3 the number of people who watched the AFL Grand Final at Prime time got up at 4.30 in the morning to watch the Socceroos! Others presumably recorded it or watched a replay.
Yeah, terrible figures.
How about you give us a world wide viewing figure also Beaver.
punter said | June 25th 2010 @ 12:00pm | Report comment
Thanks beaver for your interest.
I can assure you I have no idea of who the Swans are playing these days let alone their TV ratings.
So at least you show more interest than I do in a sport which is not our passion.
Beaver fever said | June 25th 2010 @ 12:13pm | Report comment
Thank you punter, although i must point out, this thread is not about the Swans, and nothing to do with their TV ratings.
Its possible that the debacle against Germany crushed any chance of ratings similar to 2006, but its also possible that many bandwagon supporters have seen the constant whinging, diving, lack of scoring and faking particuarly from south American and southern European teams and considered the W/C a bit of a farce.
Video review and adequate penalties for divers etc could possible revive many peoples faith in the game.
punter said | June 25th 2010 @ 12:22pm | Report comment
Beaver, like you said earlier, if you don’t like your posts, don’t read it.
If you don’t like it don’t watch it.
I don’t watch the AFL except the GF, I admire someone like Gary Abblett, but I think the game is abit messy, you get a point for missing, you get 6 pts for kicking into a goal that have no crossbar & you get a mark if you look like you may catch it, it seems to reward mediocriacy. But I accept some people tend to enjoy it.
So don’t watch it if you don’t like it.
Beaver fever said | June 25th 2010 @ 12:39pm | Report comment
This article is about the socceroos, not an opinion piece on aussie rules football , all i did was post some TV ratings that may or may not be right for the socceroos.
You are the poster who bought up AF …. twice !!.
I also gave some opinions on why those ratings are about 50% of 2006.
punter said | June 25th 2010 @ 1:42pm | Report comment
OK fair enough, but beaver, don’t watch it if you don’t lke it, stay away from people who do like it.
Harvey the Scouser said | June 25th 2010 @ 11:38am | Report comment
just had a look at that forum
looks like someone already beat beaver to the punch
there are some, ahem, how can I put this delicately, some extreme views on that board
Art Sapphire said | June 25th 2010 @ 11:53am | Report comment
That forum should come with a health warning – you should only visit it for no more than 5 minutes a week.
Over exposure can result in permanent damage
Beaver fever said | June 25th 2010 @ 11:55am | Report comment
I agree, in cross football terms there are some extreme views, but (always a but !! ) there are some extreme ones on this board as RL and soccer boards as well.
AndyRoo said | June 25th 2010 @ 12:03pm | Report comment
No doubt Beaver their is pelnty from both sides.
I don’t have acces to TWG forum because I’m a member of 442 but I can imagine.
And I have seen what happens too any article mentioning AFL and overseas developments no matter how innocent the text of the article is.
I just think that in articles that don’t mention other codes it shouldn’t be like this.
Harvey the Scouser said | June 25th 2010 @ 3:57pm | Report comment
is there a law that says you can’t have access to both forums?
AndyRoo said | June 25th 2010 @ 4:01pm | Report comment
At one stage they had some agreement due to some young uns making trouble and the forum admins of both sites got together so that if you were a registered member of one site your IP address would be banned on the other….so yes you had to choose
not sure if that is still in place but have never felt like joining TWG.
PeteHarrison said | June 27th 2010 @ 1:32pm | Report comment
Let’s bear it in mind that that is close to a million people at 4:30 in the morning.