What’s the best timeslot for the AFL’s ninth fixture?
By Ben Somerford, 12 May 2011 Ben Somerford is a Roar Expert
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The AFL got its first look at its new Saturday twilight fixture last weekend when Richmond hosted Fremantle in front of 34,090 fans at the MCG. Ironically, during the same weekend we also got another dose of Monday night footy, which is particularly interesting in the context of how the AFL will handle its extra fixture next year when the league becomes an 18-team competition.
First things first, I must point out the AFL made it clear a fortnight ago when the new broadcast rights deal was announced, that it intends to use the new Saturday twilight timeslot for the majority of rounds to accommodate the ‘ninth’ fixture per weekend which will be created by Greater Western Sydney entering the league.
AFL chief operating officer Gillon McLachlan said: “Our standard round will have one Friday night match, two Saturday afternoon games, a Saturday twilight game, two Saturday night games, an early Sunday game, a Sunday afternoon and a Sunday twilight game.”
McLachlan did state that the AFL would fixture a maximum of two Thursday or Monday night matches as ‘event’ fixtures throughout the season.
Essentially the rationale behind such a decision was with Thursday or Monday night games the football weekend becomes too lengthy. It’s too much of a good thing.
As well, it causes irregular breaks between games for players which isn’t ideal.
TV has a lot to do with these decisions, so it was curious to hear Channel Seven boss David Leckie say at the time: “I think it just makes the weekend too long. I reckon Friday, Saturday and Sunday is the way to go.”
So given those comments the weekend’s showcasing of the Saturday twilight fixture alongside Monday night footy was worth observing.
Saturday’s 4.10pm (AEST) bouncedown at the MCG was nicely sandwiched between the Dogs-Swans clash (which started at 1.10pm) and the Suns-Lions clash (7.10pm).
TV-wise the twilight game worked quite nicely, with Channel 10 getting 383,000 viewers in the key cities, while FoxSports’ coverage had 214,000 viewers, which isn’t bad for a Saturday given the competitiveness of the timeslot.
This was all before the record-breaking ratings success which was the ‘Q Clash’ up in Brisbane. It certainly made for a big day of watching footy on the couch. And the attendances didn’t appear to suffer as a result.
So a big tick for Saturday twilight fixtures then?
Well it’s worth noting next season there will typically be five games on the Saturday, rather than just the four we had last weekend. It will be increasingly crowded and competitive.
But with the new broadcast deal kicking in in 2012, footy fans who are FoxSports subscribers should lap up the entertainment. Then again, perhaps that drawcard of a Saturday TV footy bonanza could take away from attendances?
On the other hand, Monday’s tight clash between St Kilda and Carlton drew a fine crowd of 41,576 on a school night, while the TV ratings were good with Channel 10 and OneHD combining for 613,000 viewers in the key cities.
There has been a common complaint the timing of the game’s TV coverage is poor for a school night as it’s too late, with Andrew Walker’s winning goal kicked on TV at roughly quarter past eleven.
But we shouldn’t forget in 2012 the game will be available at a more accessible timeslot live on FoxSports. That certainly nullifies that argument against Monday night footy, at least for Pay-TV subscribers.
Thursday night is another potential timeslot which has been used on three occasions this season and rated okay, with the Round 6 clash between Brisbane and St Kilda attracting an impressive 682,000 viewers for Channel Seven in the key cities, but that was the night before Good Friday which inflates the figures.
Certainly it’s fair to say neither of the Thursday or Monday night timeslots are shouting out for a regular game, but they are worthy of continued experimentation, particularly the latter.
The Saturday twilight fixture showed encouraging signs for the AFL with the TV ratings bonanza which followed with the ‘Q Clash’ and the day may evolve into an armchair fan’s dream.
But it’s worth pondering the effect of the new broadcast deal which comes in next year. We’ll wait and see if that squeezes out crowds on Saturday’s packed schedule.
For now, though, with what we know, the choice of a Saturday twilight fixture for the ‘ninth’ fixture appears the best.
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May 12th 2011 @ 7:43am
Football United said | May 12th 2011 @ 7:43am | Report comment
i’d like to see more saturday afternoon games as it’s by far the best time to play footy. Anzac Day are Grand Finals are both played at those times and it seems to make good footy.
May 12th 2011 @ 7:53am
The Bush said | May 12th 2011 @ 7:53am | Report comment
But don’t Saturday afternoon fixtures (i.e. start at 4:00pm), conflict with the schedule of people, and kids, who actually play footy?
I dunno how it’s done down South, but most senior footy is played on a Saturday afternoon…
May 12th 2011 @ 8:15am
The Cattery said | May 12th 2011 @ 8:15am | Report comment
The Saturday afternoon timeslot has clashed with other senior footy since time immemorial. Once upon a time, all VFL games started at 2pm on a Saturday. AFL crowds do well because they draw from a very wide demographic, including many that have never touched a Sherrin in their lives.
May 12th 2011 @ 3:48pm
The Bush said | May 12th 2011 @ 3:48pm | Report comment
Still annoys me when my team is playing at the same time as I am…
May 12th 2011 @ 3:50pm
nick bencorelli said | May 12th 2011 @ 3:50pm | Report comment
Over here in WA, the WAFL have kicked up a bit of a fuss about saturday twilight games particularly because the AFL are eyeing off those timeslots for the WA teams. not much u can do about it though.
May 12th 2011 @ 8:49am
Redb said | May 12th 2011 @ 8:49am | Report comment
“On the other hand, Monday’s tight clash between St Kilda and Carlton drew a good crowd of 41,576 on a school night, while the TV ratings were okay for Channel 10 with 475,000 viewers in the key cities.”
No it got 613,000 TV ratings you have to add the Ch 10 to OneHD. 475k on Ch 10, 138K on oneHD.
Enjoyed the Satruday arvo to evening footy feast on Foxtel. Two great games. I like the Saturday twilight game for the 9th with the odd Mon or Thurs night thrown in.
May 12th 2011 @ 10:19am
GrantS said | May 12th 2011 @ 10:19am | Report comment
Redb are you sure the HD channel figures are not already incorporated into the total given?
Just asking as I’m not always sure where all these figures come from.
May 12th 2011 @ 10:51am
Redb said | May 12th 2011 @ 10:51am | Report comment
http://www.tvtonight.com.au/2011/05/week-20-3.html
May 12th 2011 @ 11:40am
GrantS said | May 12th 2011 @ 11:40am | Report comment
Thanks!
May 12th 2011 @ 12:28pm
Ben Somerford said | May 12th 2011 @ 12:28pm | Report comment
Thanks Redb, an oversight on my part. Amended.
May 12th 2011 @ 2:04pm
Redb said | May 12th 2011 @ 2:04pm | Report comment
No probs. It is a common omission.
If I have a choice its always HD for me, can’t beat it. I have Foxtel HD so unless Ch 7 decide to broadcast in HD next year they won’t see a ratings digit with my name on it.
May 13th 2011 @ 9:28am
Roarchild said | May 13th 2011 @ 9:28am | Report comment
HD is so much better.
Over here (Korea) nearly every decent channel has an HD option (notable exception is Star Sports – which has the formula 1).
A real shame that Channel Nine and Seven didn’t embrace it like 10 did.
May 13th 2011 @ 11:57am
Redb said | May 13th 2011 @ 11:57am | Report comment
Yeah its a worry for Ch 7, the SD broadcast seems to satisfy them, but thsoe with Foxtel HD now and in the future wont go back. Its not quite the difference between black/white and colour but it’s close especially on a big screen.
May 12th 2011 @ 9:31am
me, I like football said | May 12th 2011 @ 9:31am | Report comment
It’s not really an issue. From my understanding the season will be stetched out across 24 rounds with still only 22 games played by each team.
So that is 18 rounds of 8 games and 6 rounds of 9 and of those 6 two will be a Thu/Mon night game so it’s really only for 4 rounds a year that an extra timeslot will need to be found.
May 12th 2011 @ 6:53pm
The Cattery said | May 12th 2011 @ 6:53pm | Report comment
MILF
I was tossing your numbers around, and while they work mathematically, I could not see how they could work in practice.
If you start from the point of view that the bulk of the 24 round will contain 9 games, I come up with this configuration, which I feel is a bit more practical (and I hope the AFL is reading this because it works out very neatly):
* 18 rounds of 9 games, this means that you need to play the remaining 4 rounds over 6 weeks, i.e. 36 games over 6 weeks means 6 weeks of 6 games per week
* split those 6 weeks into two lots of 3 weeks, and you have a situation where 2 rounds can be played over 3 weeks on two separate occasion during the year
* having these two special lots allows the AFL to some imaginative things, for instance two teams playing a Monday night fixture one week, would have a bye the next, and resume as normal the following week; two teams might have a bye the first week and then play a thurs night game in the second week
* the beauty of this arrangement is that by the end of that three week period, everyone is level on games again, and that is preferable to having stacks of teams out of kilter for weeks on end
* this arrangement will allow for better planning of the Darwin fixture (or even two Darwin fixtures), and the Cairns fixture, as more recovery time can be put into the fixture, with every team effectivley getting two weeks off during the 24 week season
* in periods like when you have Easter and Anzac Day close together, a myriad of options open up – completing two full rounds over a given 3 week period – perhaps another one going from the Queens Birthday weekend, etc.
May 12th 2011 @ 10:15am
GrantS said | May 12th 2011 @ 10:15am | Report comment
I like the Saturday “twilight” game and it made for a good day of footy. (makes it a bit hectic trying to get so much horse racing and football into one afternoon but enjoyable.)
Two reasons I have against the Thursday/Monday night games. One is personal and the other team orientated.
Having a game on one of these nights leaves a short break for team recovery at some stage and also leaves me less time to do the “figures”. Neither of these reasons should be a problem with the few games allotted at those times.
The other reason some are putting forward against these time slots (it makes for too much football) is not valid as, IMO, that’s not possible.
May 12th 2011 @ 3:48pm
nick bencorelli said | May 12th 2011 @ 3:48pm | Report comment
haha tend to agree. u can’t have too much of a good thing IMO
May 12th 2011 @ 12:10pm
JB said | May 12th 2011 @ 12:10pm | Report comment
Should be two Friday night games. One in Melbourne, one in Adelaide/Perth. Will maximise attendances, and tv ratings because Adelaide/Perth will get major boost with interest in their own teams. Will also create a fairer league, rather than the Victorian bias who get all the Friday night games. Should probably only become an option when Adelaide Oval move happens though. Won’t become an option though because AFL is still very much VFL so no one cares whats good for non-Victorian teams. If they won’t give non-Victorian teams a fair share of the national spotlight with Friday night games, then having 2 each Friday night is a good option.
May 12th 2011 @ 12:23pm
Damien said | May 12th 2011 @ 12:23pm | Report comment
It won’t ever happen, but one area where the NRL has the AFL beat, is the two Friday night games.
I’d like (or rather would have liked) Fox Sports to have an exclusive Friday night match featuring two non-Victorian teams. For example, persist and continue to develop Friday night football into the Sydney and Brisbane markets, and for example (Brisbane vs. Adelaide) broadcast live into these markets on FTA via the Fox feed (7Mate for Brisbane), but also allow viewers all over Australia the opportunity to watch either the exclusive Fox Friday night match live on pay-TV, or otherwise stick with the marquee Channel 7 match (which would normally be two Victorian teams).
This would have continued to promote Friday night footy in the northern states, with soon to be 4 teams obviously — and the success that was the Sydney vs. Carlton Friday night match earlier this season. And it would’ve allowed the two teams from Perth and Adelaide to be exposed to much more Friday night football, albeit not on the usual “national” scale, but still, there’d be massive ratings into their respective markets.
May 12th 2011 @ 1:11pm
Redb said | May 12th 2011 @ 1:11pm | Report comment
Not sure why that is so great. With two games on Friday the NRL have one game on two hour delay in the other market every Friday night. The AFL will have all games live from 2012 on Foxtel, with the 3 of 4 live on FTA, one on delay (sat arvo game)but the Friday night and Sat night marquee FTA games will be live. That’s better as far as I’m concerned.
What your proposing for Friday night is similiiar to what already happens on Sat night with two games at the same time, one of FTA , one on Foxtel.
I agree there should be more Crows, Freo and Eagles game on Friday night, Port’s fan base is too small like Nth or WB to justify it unless in the top 4.
May 12th 2011 @ 1:36pm
Football United said | May 12th 2011 @ 1:36pm | Report comment
viewers choice would make it work
May 12th 2011 @ 4:17pm
gazz said | May 12th 2011 @ 4:17pm | Report comment
i dont get Damien’s original idea, using non-Victorian teams on Friday night. Why would West Coast or Adelaide appeal to Qld or NSW anymore than Essendon or Carlton? It’s not like GC, BL, Sydney or GWS will play each other every week!?
May 12th 2011 @ 12:59pm
Searly said | May 12th 2011 @ 12:59pm | Report comment
No matter WHAT they do, the AFL must ensure that they don’t let the tail wag the dog with TV demands overriding the good of the game, and particularly the good of the fans. The NRL has completely sold out the the demands of the TV networks and it is killing the sport.
Case in point, I want to take my 4-year-old son along to sit on the hill at our local NRL ground on a weekend afternoon (can’t get much more heartland/grassroots/good-for-the-future-of-the-game than that). Do you think I can find a match that is scheduled to be played during daylight hours any time soon? Of course not. In fact, the NRL doesn’t even produce a fixture for the entire season, just the next 6 weeks so the TV networks can pick and choose their matches depending on the form lines later in the year.
They are playing Russian roulette with the next generation of fans I can tell you. My little bloke is a perfect example. If we don’t get along to a local game this season, he could be lost to the NRL for good. And it’ll serve them right.
Especially since he’ll be a Pies fan anyway….
At least he’d better be!
May 12th 2011 @ 3:47pm
nick bencorelli said | May 12th 2011 @ 3:47pm | Report comment
i wasnt aware they did that. can understand your pain, but money rules doesnt it.
May 12th 2011 @ 2:57pm
lachlan said | May 12th 2011 @ 2:57pm | Report comment
i believe there should be 2 friday night games 2 saturday afternoon games, 2 saturday night games, 2 sunday games and 1 monday night game.
May 12th 2011 @ 4:18pm
gazz said | May 12th 2011 @ 4:18pm | Report comment
i think sunday the way it is is perfect. so saturday should try replicate that, but the problem is its left with too many games. maybe 1 on friday, 4 sat, 4 sun?
May 12th 2011 @ 3:47pm
nick bencorelli said | May 12th 2011 @ 3:47pm | Report comment
i actually forgot monday night footy was on. i wonder if the perception of monday nite footy would change once it becomes engrained in the AFL public’s mind?
worth pondering?