Australian under 20s crash at Rugby World Cup
By John Davidson, 13 Jun 2012 John Davidson is a Roar Guru
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Australia has recorded its worst result in the history of the IRB under-20 World Cup after failing to reach the tournament’s semi-finals, raising questions about the development of our young talent.
Last night the Aussies were spanked 31-7 by France in their final pool game, their second losses in three matches.
The Australian side could only manage the one try against a livewire French outfit, but that one was more they could muster against the Argentinians who beat the young Wallabies 15-3.
A weak scrum, misfiring attack and shabby defence proved to be the Australians undoing in South Africa. The youngsters started off the tournament well, notching a big 67-12 win over Scotland. But they then faced an impressive Argentine unit that beat Australia for the first time at junior level.
Dominant scrummaging and fantastic defence in tough weather conditions was the backbone of Argentina’s win.
Australia’s misery has been compounded with a comprehensive beating at the hands of the French. They seem to throw the ball around at will, with our players falling off tackles and the French moving from one end of the field to another with ease.
Following the creation of the Junior World Championship in 2008, this is Australia’s worst performance. Five years ago we finished fifth with a win over France. In 2009 we were fourth, going down in the semi-final to South Africa. A year later we made the final, but were humbled by New Zealand, and then in 2011 we came third after beating France in the semi-final.
Now we are battling for positions five through eight, taking on the French again on June 17. The winner of that game takes on the winner of Ireland vs England on 22 June.
After yesterday’s match, you would expect us to be eventually playing off for seventh place. Seventh place in world rugby, is that where Australia should be?
It’s true that we did have a much tougher pool this year than in previous tournaments, and many of the second-tier nations have improved dramatically, which is good for rugby as a whole. But surely Australian rugby should be aiming higher.
This under-20s team was led by Reds flanker Liam Gill, and included five players with Super Rugby experience. There were 11 players from NSW, 11 from Queensland, 3 from the ACT, 2 from WA and one from Victoria. Queensland University and Sydney University were the clubs with the most representation, followed by Eastwood, Sunnybank, GPS, Easts and Queanbeyan.
The under-20s program is a key stepping stone for Super Rugby and the Wallabies. In recent years the under-20s side has produced around 30 players who have go on to earn Super Rugby contracts, as well as the likes of Quade Cooper, David Pocock, Kurtley Beale, Rob Horne and Will Genia. Others to have come through the ranks include Michael Hooper, Colby Faingaa, Dom Shipperley, Ed Quirk, Tom Kingston, Luke Morahan, Damien Fitxpatrick, Matt Tooma, Robbie Coleman, Nic White, Jake Schatz, Rod Davies, Kane Douglas, James Lipper, Nathan Charles and Richard Kingi.
So, do we no longer have the same levels of talent that we have enjoyed in recent years?
Are we just having a bad year, a blip, or was this team poorly coached?
David Nucifora was in charge of the team, what is his view?
Should we expect more of the same next year?
While we shouldn’t lose our heads, hard questions need to be asked about our development programs and the future of the Australian rugby talent pool.
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June 13th 2012 @ 12:31pm
Ripper Eater said | June 13th 2012 @ 12:31pm | Report comment
No depth in Australian union. What a break through development.
June 14th 2012 @ 4:45am
The Werewolf said | June 14th 2012 @ 4:45am | Report comment
Let’s not worry too much. Reminds me of the last time we did so bad at this tournament in 2008 when we finished 5th.
That squad had the following players that are currently either wallabies or super xv players;
Pocock, Genia, Beale, Quade Cooper, Rob Simmons, Rob Horne, Ben Mccalman, Ben Tapuia, Sam Wykes, Alfi Mafi, Richard Kingi, James Hansen, Nathan Charles, Ben Daley, and Peter Betham
June 14th 2012 @ 2:16pm
Thurl said | June 14th 2012 @ 2:16pm | Report comment
Isn’t that a good reason TO worry
June 14th 2012 @ 6:19pm
The Werewolf said | June 14th 2012 @ 6:19pm | Report comment
Come again.
Pocock, Genia, Beale, QC etc etc finished 5th and they turned out alright.
June 13th 2012 @ 12:31pm
Who Needs Melon said | June 13th 2012 @ 12:31pm | Report comment
Surprising. They looked pretty good against Scotland. At least a couple of guys in that team with huge wraps but there were others that looked good too.
I still see some fantastic potential in those guys. Hopefully they will learn from mistakes made and come back better players for it.
Good on you guys!
June 13th 2012 @ 12:49pm
Justin2 said | June 13th 2012 @ 12:49pm | Report comment
WNM – not to after time but seeing that Scotland match a few here remarked that they were awful and that it didnt really tell us much. It turns out Scotland were in fact woeful and the Aussies not that good. The Scottish defence was non existent.
June 13th 2012 @ 12:32pm
Cliff said | June 13th 2012 @ 12:32pm | Report comment
Given David Nucifora’s abysmal record it beggard belief that he is still involved in the Australian coaching set-up.
June 13th 2012 @ 1:08pm
Red Kev said | June 13th 2012 @ 1:08pm | Report comment
I think Nucifora has to take a large portion of the blame.
He is after all National Development Coordinator as well as U20s coach.
And that is the guy JON wants in the Wallaby coaching role after Deans – his record of completely useless selections continues.
June 14th 2012 @ 6:40pm
Parisien said | June 14th 2012 @ 6:40pm | Report comment
And I agree that Nucifora has to take a large portion of the blame, but meanwhile well done to the French boys! Mostly a bunch of hardened country farming lads from the south west, they’ll probably be celebrating their big win with cassoulet bean stew and beer!
June 13th 2012 @ 1:04pm
Benson said | June 13th 2012 @ 1:04pm | Report comment
I said it on another post, underage form means zero. Just ask Owais Shah about his world beating u/19 England cricket team or the Bangladeshi u/19 teams.
Didn’t Wales just beat NZ. Didn’t Ireland win an U/19 Championships a few years ago?
Everybody always wishes for rugby to grow and more competitive nations to arrive. Yet when it happens everybody whinges.
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June 13th 2012 @ 1:16pm
Ash said | June 13th 2012 @ 1:16pm | Report comment
Good comment.
June 13th 2012 @ 4:19pm
mattamkII said | June 13th 2012 @ 4:19pm | Report comment
Agree.
Jesus some of the blokes who post here need to get out more.
A bunch of teenagers have two bad games and you’d think the world was going to end.
I’ve lived outside Australia for a while now and I cant get over what a national of self riotous blame hungry whingers we have become.
June 13th 2012 @ 10:32pm
Emric said | June 13th 2012 @ 10:32pm | Report comment
no New Zealander I know has winged about losing to Wales all that anyone has said that i’ve read – talked to is Good on Wales Well Done you deserved it
June 14th 2012 @ 1:39pm
Quakezone.... said | June 14th 2012 @ 1:39pm | Report comment
Underage form does mean something…its a good tournament to find next tier of talent but its what happens to that talent after the tournamnet thats important NZ seem to nurture theres through SR or their 2nd tier domestic comp…Ours get thrown straight into SR if they are good enough or the alternative Club rugby where they just get lost
June 13th 2012 @ 1:16pm
Bill said | June 13th 2012 @ 1:16pm | Report comment
Cliff & RK you’re on the money here and this is not the first time either for Nucifora. I am pretty sure he has been in charge for the last couple of years when our U20′s have been smashed up by the Kiwi’s. Is it true this guy appointed Dean’s support staff, if so god help us.
June 13th 2012 @ 1:25pm
nickoldschool said | June 13th 2012 @ 1:25pm | Report comment
A good little spanking is often very useful. The under 20s were RWC favorites and thought they just had to turn up to win the tournament. nope. Am glad the argies and french showed them its not the case and others than themselves, the ABs and Boks can play rugby too.
June 13th 2012 @ 3:17pm
Justin2 said | June 13th 2012 @ 3:17pm | Report comment
Really?
June 13th 2012 @ 1:27pm
jameswm said | June 13th 2012 @ 1:27pm | Report comment
I only saw 1.5 games. The coaching last year was abysmal, and this time marginally better.
The 5/8 was awful too. Half-back Lucas has a dodgy pass.
Otherwise there was some good talent there.
Another factor is the umber of 17/18yos in our squad. Squads like England and NZ have only 19/20yos.
June 13th 2012 @ 2:46pm
Jutsie said | June 13th 2012 @ 2:46pm | Report comment
Only saw half the first game and the 5/8′s kicking for goal wasn’t great at all. Our half back is tiny, one of the scots almost gave him a pile-driver that the undertaker would be proud of.
June 13th 2012 @ 2:59pm
Moreton Bait said | June 13th 2012 @ 2:59pm | Report comment
James is correct, this Aust U20s team probably has the youngest average age in this tournament. England finish one spot above the Aussies at 6th with mainly 19 and 20 year olds (just 3 18 yo youngsters) & Ireland finish one spot higher (5th) with an all 19 / 20 yo squad. Aust have 18 19/20 year olds and 10 18/17 y olds (1×17 yo) and finished 7th in this tournament – possibly lowest ever.
June 13th 2012 @ 7:49pm
colvin said | June 13th 2012 @ 7:49pm | Report comment
Seems like bad selecting then. There’s a big difference between a 19 yr old and a 17 yr. old
June 14th 2012 @ 1:43pm
Quakezone.... said | June 14th 2012 @ 1:43pm | Report comment
Are there no 19/20 years good enough? those players must be peeved.
Or is age an excuse? Because it doesn’t necessarily mean they will win next year.
Pick the talent for the now
June 13th 2012 @ 2:00pm
Wilson said | June 13th 2012 @ 2:00pm | Report comment
What hope is there for WA rugby player development when the ARU have withdrawn funding for the academy and then only allocates $250k of the $3.9million put aside of national community rugby development. I think that the ARU thinks that just awarding the Force is all they needed to do to have a successful franchise and state for rugby. Young talent in WA can struggle through in first grade here, but ultimately they are told that to really get the experience they need they need to uproot and go to Sydney. Then people wonder why our top talent is then poached by other clubs on the east coast. In WA AFL regularly sells out Patterson’s Stadium (the old Subiaco Oval) with a capacity of 43,500. WAFL (State AFL comp) games get up to 3,000/game. Like the Rebels they face a constant battle for a cut of the public pie in WA which should increase the investment by the ARU. Yet they have done the opposite.
The powers that be within RugbyWA are also to blame. Their mismanagement of the Force is flawed in every process. The way and who they recruit is a poor reflection on of Mitch Hardy (Player Manager) and Vern Reid (CEO). The way they treat members and corporate sponsors is miles behind that of the AFL teams. Dated, limited and unimpressive. In a rich state full of South Africans, Kiwis, Poms, Irish and Scots attest that we have the demographic to have a strong rugby union culture; yet it is being neglected and run by amateurs. When the Force started they had the highest membership numbers of all the super clubs. And yet they have dwindled each year and the ARU responds by cutting investment. Great leadership O’Neill.
June 13th 2012 @ 7:51pm
The Bone said | June 13th 2012 @ 7:51pm | Report comment
Local WA boy Dane haylett-Petty 55 caps for powerhouse club Biarritz says it all
June 14th 2012 @ 5:51pm
The Boner said | June 14th 2012 @ 5:51pm | Report comment
As well as Local WA boy Zack Holmes being let go by the force and now starting for the Brumbies.
June 13th 2012 @ 2:30pm
formeropenside said | June 13th 2012 @ 2:30pm | Report comment
When Qld Schoolboys have won the comp for the last 6+ years, and yet can only get equal representation with NSW in the U20 squad, you know something is wrong in the selections. Also with the schoolboy teams too – there was one year Qld A played Qld B in the final, and yet a whole bunch of useless NSW-men made the squad.
June 13th 2012 @ 2:37pm
glacier said | June 13th 2012 @ 2:37pm | Report comment
David Nucifora has been the coach of the Australian U20s for at least the last 3 years.. His contract should not be renewed or, in newspaper speak, he should be sacked as was rightfully done at the Brumbies. His record including that with the Auckland Blues must be one of the worst of any professional coach. As we now know his positive win record with the Brumbies including winning a Super Rugby title was because he was effectively ostracized by the playing group from having any formal role in coaching.
June 13th 2012 @ 6:18pm
Old Rugby Boy said | June 13th 2012 @ 6:18pm | Report comment
G’day, Glacier,
I dont blame Nucifora The problem lies with the entire RU structure and management. These boys were told, locally, how great they are. World RU standards have risen faster than in Aus and they turned out to be not so great. The ARU has is head in the sand. There is also the problem of the better junior players changing to RL and now a very aggresive AFL for a regular pay day. I keep getting told by other corresponents how much depth there is in Aus RU. I am invoved in the Sydney Subbies and I have been watching these competitions decline over the years. This is where the heart of RU is found. If it is shrinking at the heart and the ARU cant keep its better junior players from going to RL and now AFL, there is not the depth that most believe there is. The ARU must get its tiny head out of the sand and start supporting the grass roots. The AFL targeted RL in Sydney’s west but it is RU, in Sydney’s West, that is losing its juniors to this voracious code. No roots, no stem, no leaves and no flowers. Also, having met some of these “gentlemen” U20 representative, perhaps this loss will reduce head size and improve manners.
June 13th 2012 @ 8:19pm
p.Tah said | June 13th 2012 @ 8:19pm | Report comment
I agree with you ORB a lot more needs to be done at grassroots level.