Bledisloe drought must end: O’Neill
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ARU chief executive John O’Neill says reclaiming the Bledisloe Cup is “critical” for Australian rugby and would go a long way towards securing the future of Wallabies coach Robbie Deans.
The Wallabies haven’t stolen the Bledisloe Cup from New Zealand since 2002 and only broke a decade-long Rugby Championship (Tri Nations) drought last season.
O’Neill said Deans was comfortable with the reality that results were vital and that they would largely determine whether he’ll be offered a new contract beyond 2013.
“I’ve said from the outset about the coaching situation … it’s just on results and that’s the nature of coaching,” said O’Neill.
“Robbie’s got this year and next year and, if he shoots the lights out, it’s not a difficult decision to extend him through to 2015.
“If you’ve got a Bledisloe Cup in the cabinet and a Rugby Championship in the cabinet, it tends to put down a pretty significant mark and he’s got his head around that.”
Australia face the All Blacks in Sydney on August 18 to open the respective Bledisloe and Rugby Championship campaigns, before backing up seven days later for game two against New Zealand at Eden Park in Auckland.
O’Neill conceded that eclipsing the World Cup champions would be largely a psychological barrier but believes the intensity of back-to-back Bledisloes should suit the Wallabies.
Speaking at the launch of a Wallabies and All Blacks legends golf day, as part of the inaugural Bledisloe Cup festival, O’Neill stressed that enough was enough.
“It’s critical – there’s no shying away from it. (The Bledisloe) has got a significance that transcends any other event … Ten years without having won it is too long,” he said.
“No one underestimates how challenging and difficult the task will be. We saw what (New Zealand) did to Ireland in that third Test (60-0 thrashing last month).
“Wouldn’t it be nice to say after the first two games, it’s two blot – we’ve got them.
“What I thought the team showed against Wales (in the 3-0 series win in June) was that ability to snatch a victory when it didn’t look like it was possible.”
The Bledisloe Festival will kick off a week before the clash at ANZ Stadium and feature a range of activities including the Classic golf day at Oatlands on match-eve.
O’Neill said he hoped his proposal for a 2015 match between a combined Australian and New Zealand Anzac team to face the British and Irish Lions, in memory of the centenary of Gallipoli, wouldn’t be “put in the too hard basket”.
Conceding that scheduling could be a problem, O’Neill suggests the match be played immediately following the World Cup in England that year around the date of Remembrance Day on November 11.
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July 6th 2012 @ 6:10am
moaman said | July 6th 2012 @ 6:10am | Report comment
“O’Neill …… believes the intensity of back-to-back Bledisloes should suit the Wallabies.” I would have liked a little detail to back up that statement.
July 6th 2012 @ 11:42am
Quakezone said | July 6th 2012 @ 11:42am | Report comment
Funny it looked like the NZ V Ireland series was played at a higher intesity level than Aust V Wales.
Particularly that 2nd game where a draw looked likely – Just looking at the battered and bruised forwards after that game…
July 6th 2012 @ 6:34am
mania said | July 6th 2012 @ 6:34am | Report comment
first thing i noticed in this article is the cracks appearing in the JON and deans relationship. deans is outta here if he doesnt win the bledisloe this year.
AB’s should be extra keen to win it this year. 10 years in a row!! bring it on i say
July 6th 2012 @ 8:05am
Justin2 said | July 6th 2012 @ 8:05am | Report comment
I thought the same, the marker is down IMO.
July 6th 2012 @ 8:39am
kingplaymaker said | July 6th 2012 @ 8:39am | Report comment
One has to say Justin2 you probably would have thought that.
July 6th 2012 @ 8:51am
mania said | July 6th 2012 @ 8:51am | Report comment
you dont agree with justin2 and i KPM? i’m not deans hating here; it just screams at me that JON is giving deans a hint on how to keep his job
July 6th 2012 @ 3:38pm
Kuruki said | July 6th 2012 @ 3:38pm | Report comment
I don’t think the statement is anything new to Deans. It is pretty much common sense that he needs to deliver on his promises sooner or later. Consistency vs beatable opposition should be the very first thing he focuses on. I’m sure a loss here and there to NZ is acceptable and realistic but losing to Scotland and Samoa too often will have him hung from the gallows. IMO. Australia need to find something that gets them motivated everytime they play not just when they play the little brother.
July 6th 2012 @ 9:01am
Jutsie said | July 6th 2012 @ 9:01am | Report comment
Im a deans fan like yourself KPM but you cant argue that this a pretty strong statement from JON and fair enough its the 5th year of his tenure and alot of the younger blokes he has blooded are reaching the 30-40 test cap mark we theoretically should be reaching our peak.
July 6th 2012 @ 11:15am
kingplaymaker said | July 6th 2012 @ 11:15am | Report comment
Jutsie who knows what aim JON has in it. One thing he will be showing is that he is not soft on Deans. Whether he would go through with firing him if he came very close to the Bledisloe Cup but didn’t make it is another thing. It could just be to pacify the Deans haters by showing that he is not soft on him, whether that show is a charade or not.
July 6th 2012 @ 11:21am
mania said | July 6th 2012 @ 11:21am | Report comment
nah KPM i reckon its more than that. i reckon others have been putting pressure on JON to dump deans. but thats a complete guess
July 6th 2012 @ 7:53am
Steve said | July 6th 2012 @ 7:53am | Report comment
I’ve decided that I’m going to take my NSW state of origin attitude into my wallabies support. I fully support the blues and applaud them for getting close when in reality NSW should never lose to QLD. The Wallabies should never be expected to beat the All Blacks so if they get within 10 I’m going to feel mighty proud.
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July 6th 2012 @ 10:39am
The Bush said | July 6th 2012 @ 10:39am | Report comment
Do you mean NSW should never beat QLD?
July 6th 2012 @ 3:40pm
Kuruki said | July 6th 2012 @ 3:40pm | Report comment
Haha mate i do the same thing with the League. My expectation is that the Kiwis play to the best of their ability and make a game of it, if they do that win or lose i’m pretty happy.
July 6th 2012 @ 8:17am
Frank O'Keeffe said | July 6th 2012 @ 8:17am | Report comment
Just a massive nod from me…
Are the Wallabies players hurting? I sure am. I’m sick of seeing NZ with the Bledisloe Cup… and like I said not long ago, I’m sick of hearing about how the Wallabies don’t have the cattle, or the personal, or that they’re number 2. I wrote a column ranting about this! I don’t know when or how the Australian sports public became so soft.
And I hate that this year isn’t looking any better. The Wallabies looked more a shot in 2008, and kind of in 2009. The Wallabies were playing bad in 2009, but NZ weren’t playing well either.
The Wallabies have only had a chance of winning the Bledisloe Cup in 2008 and 2009 (despite not beating New Zealand). But there were so many selection problems. The biggest problem in 2009 was Burgess. He and Giteau made the worst 9-10 combination I’ve ever seen in Wallaby colours.
July 6th 2012 @ 3:44pm
Kuruki said | July 6th 2012 @ 3:44pm | Report comment
Mate i agree that i thought the Wallabies best chances to break the hoodo have gone. I mean no disrespect to the Wallaby fans but i really do not fear this current team. So many of the players who i once feared are lacking form or suffering from consistent injury troubles. And tbh that center combination of Horne and McCabe brings a smile to my face as a Kiwi.
July 6th 2012 @ 8:41am
kingplaymaker said | July 6th 2012 @ 8:41am | Report comment
You make be sick of hearing the truth but it doesn’t make it any less true. The NRL and AFL are ripping through Australia’s talent pool (is this why the cricket team has been in decline too?).
Also, you suggest winning the Bledisloe Cup is easy and automatic. It isn’t.
July 6th 2012 @ 8:54am
Frank O'Keeffe said | July 6th 2012 @ 8:54am | Report comment
Better management and I think Australia could have won maybe once in the last decade. That doesn’t detract from NZ’s awesome ability. The 2010 All Blacks and the 2005-2007 All Blacks were a fantastic side… really great. But Australia let some easy games slide under Robbie Deans.
Honestly, the 2009 Auckland performance may have been the worst All Blacks performance against Australia in the 00s. Unfortunately, Australia were worse. That Test hurt almost as much as the 2007 quarter-final…
July 6th 2012 @ 1:17pm
stillmatic1 said | July 6th 2012 @ 1:17pm | Report comment
kind of you claiming that adelaide, gold coast and timbuktu are viable, stable options for a super rugby team, KPM!! you suggest its easy and automatic to do this too!! so KPM, whats easier, winning a couple of bledisloe matches or setting up brand new franchises?
July 6th 2012 @ 9:26am
Sailosi said | July 6th 2012 @ 9:26am | Report comment
KPM, maybe we have to acknowledge that the cricket team is struggling because of the work done in other countries. Now I do not know how to measure this but just because in 1989 Australia would flog Sri Lanka and now the competition between the 2 nations is tight, does this mean that Australian cricket has declined or has Sri Lankan cricket has improved. Let’s say that in 2022 the Wallabies play Russia in Moscow and they lose. Because in the 2011 world cup we beat them easily does that mean that the wallabies have declined or has Russia improved.
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July 6th 2012 @ 10:08am
kingplaymaker said | July 6th 2012 @ 10:08am | Report comment
Sailosi a good point you make, but I think it’s probably both. The AFL and NRL have got bigger and bigger and richer and richer over the past 20 years (perhaps spurred a little by the professionalisation of rugby) and they have plundered young sporting talent more and more.
July 6th 2012 @ 10:40am
Emric said | July 6th 2012 @ 10:40am | Report comment
KPM –
Is the growth of AFL and NRL sustainable they have a limited appeal both entrenced in their heartlands, and both feeling like they are under siege by the other this has spawned massive rises in pay, and funding at the top level and less and less on the bottom level.
The AFL has made a 20 year committement to the new expansion areas to the point they are now tightening the belt even with a 1.3 billion dollar deal, the NRL is praying for a 1 billion dollar pay day so it can compete with the AFL.
I see Rugby as a Triceratops dionsaur caught between 2 fighting T-rex each hunting for a new meal – Strong Well armed and can cause some damage if provided by ultimately a herbivore who will end up as dinner if not careful
However the ARU is not alone, it has allies perhaps it needs to start using its allies a little but more
July 6th 2012 @ 10:50am
kingplaymaker said | July 6th 2012 @ 10:50am | Report comment
Emric rugby in theory, if it had double the number of teams, could pull out the elite athletes of both in many areas at youth level and weaken their competitions, then use the money from its international expansion to finish off the NRL and attack the AFL. However with 5 teams it’s impossible.
July 6th 2012 @ 11:09am
Emric said | July 6th 2012 @ 11:09am | Report comment
KPM.
We are in agreement unfortunately the money is not there for more teams in Australia/NZ .. But i completely agree with you
July 6th 2012 @ 11:13am
kingplaymaker said | July 6th 2012 @ 11:13am | Report comment
Emric without private ownership money is of course a problem, and there’s no reason there shouldn’t be private ownership. Probably if the new teams were in big markets there would be enough TV money to cover things however. As I said yesterday 1.7 SA, 1.5 twice in Sydney, GC 600,000, Newcastle 600,000, 2 Auckland 500,000 each, BOP 300,000, Taranaki+Manawatu 340,000, Hawke’s Bay+Gisborne 200,000. The broadcasters would pay colossal sums for that increase in potential range.
July 6th 2012 @ 11:54am
Emric said | July 6th 2012 @ 11:54am | Report comment
once again we are in agreement KPM.
July 6th 2012 @ 11:28am
justsaying said | July 6th 2012 @ 11:28am | Report comment
You are right at least in the sense that this site needs more dinosaur analogies….
July 6th 2012 @ 10:01am
Johnno said | July 6th 2012 @ 10:01am | Report comment
-It is a good point Sailosi hard ot quantify i usually awnser that on a case by case basis.
-But ultimately winners are grinners and who ever wins at the end of the day is the one who has the superior sports programs for whatever the reasons.
-NZ and Irleand only have 4.5 million people and both nations pushed us around at the world cup in set pieces and beat us in both games.
-NZ and Irleand especially the mighty AB’s punch way above there weight as do manna samoa who beat us last year and only have 180,000 people.
-Russia has now moved up to 4 in the euroe sevens rankings ahead of Scotland and Italy and i think Wales too.
-Russia is working hard on sevens putting big money into it as it is olympic sport and they are hosting sevens world cup in moscow next year, and have just hosted the Euro championship for sevens.
-Holland women’s team is mazing now they are a top 3 7evens nation in europe basically only England and france are ahead.
-So a bit of both who is doing better, but i judge it on a case by case basis.
-in the last 2 years overall Scotalnd has got better and we have declined for example, as Irleand and samoa have progressed too, and we have gone backwards in last 4 years overall the wallabies.
-We only got into the semis thanks to old Brycy lawrence having a schocker vs the boks.
July 6th 2012 @ 10:32am
Jarmen said | July 6th 2012 @ 10:32am | Report comment
Now that the Bledisloe has reverted back to a three match series Australia has a very good chance of taking the Bledisloe back especially when you factor in there are two games being played in Australia this year. In many of these Bledisloe fixtures home gorund advantage can make all the difference.
The only thing I do have to laugh at is the Breaking their drought in the 3N, please the Tri-Nations was a joke last year is was hardly taken seriously by the Boks and ABs both fielding weakend teams in matches played against each other. The Boks sending a below strength team to both Australia and New Zealand.
July 6th 2012 @ 11:22am
Sam Taulelei said | July 6th 2012 @ 11:22am | Report comment
True Jarmen
However is there anyone prepared to back the Wallabies if they should drop the first game in Sydney?
While the All Blacks are always a chance wherever they play, I give the Wallabies no chance of beating the All Blacks at Eden Park.
July 6th 2012 @ 3:48pm
Kuruki said | July 6th 2012 @ 3:48pm | Report comment
Jarmen while i agree the Tri Nations was not contested at 100% by the Blacks and the Safa i have no excuses for the loss we suffered in Brisbane? if memory serves me correctly. They beat us off the paddock with passion and aggression. I would like to say however that the All Blacks had the chance of sewing it all up the week before but chose to send an understrength side to Safa and we suffered the consequences.
July 8th 2012 @ 12:24pm
Jarmen said | July 8th 2012 @ 12:24pm | Report comment
I make no excuses for the loss but I accept it and it didn’t phase me at the time either because the reality is the team was rather disjointed in the Tri Nations with Henry and Co testing combinations resting key players so the team was not as settled as it could have been.
But reality is the Tri-Nations of 2011 is nothing to crow about it was not contested seriously by anyone bar Australia who were the only nation to field their strongest team in every single match.
i think in 2011 we all know who the best team was out of the three and it certainly was not Australia.
Your right in the fact the ABs could have sewn it up the week prior but by choosing to willingly send an understrength team to South Africa they clearly made the statement like the South Africans themselves did that the 3N was not so important.
The master himself said after retaining the Bledisloe that they had now secured the most important trophy to the ABs outside of the WC this before they left for SA and with a few games to play.
Would they have liked to have won sure, was it a vital no, I think the WC more than makes up for a Tri-Nations used as a training run by two of the three teams involved
July 8th 2012 @ 12:29pm
Jutsie said | July 8th 2012 @ 12:29pm | Report comment
-”I make no excuses”
-followed by several excuses
July 6th 2012 @ 11:01am
Quakezone said | July 6th 2012 @ 11:01am | Report comment
Sick and tired of NZ winning the Bledisloe? It would take a huge effort and thankfully the changes to the format and draw now favour Australia this is the year to do it.
However, I fear there is more at stake, now that NZ have the World Cup I wonder how long they will hold on to that? They just do not like to relinquish trophies once they have them, thats the mentality of the All Blacks intensity in every game against anyone, thats where the Wallabies need to get to
July 6th 2012 @ 11:03am
mania said | July 6th 2012 @ 11:03am | Report comment
QZ – and the fact that this will 10 straight years of holding it i reckon AB’s arent going to have any motivational issues
July 6th 2012 @ 11:23am
Quakezone said | July 6th 2012 @ 11:23am | Report comment
Your’e right Mania.
Heres what I see driving the AB’s
1. Steve Hansen does not want to be the coach that loses the Bledisloe after holding it for so long.
2. None of the AB’s want to be in the team that loses it.
3. The AB’s are the World champions and are the number 1 ranked team in the World – Losing the Bleisloe would drop their ranking
Heres what I see driving the WB’s
1. They haven’t had it for too long they want it badly
2. They want to move into the number 1 spot and they have to beat the AB’s consistently to do that.
3. Robbie Deans wants this job
4. These young Wallabies want to be part of history and once they have the Cup they will be hard to beat as they were when they had it last
July 6th 2012 @ 11:27am
mania said | July 6th 2012 @ 11:27am | Report comment
QZ – its funny bout the WC hangover. i really thought that at this stage i would be rugby’d out. i really thought that super rugby would only get a glance out of me. but i’m enjoying watching it more than ever.
this coming bledisloe tests are going to be awesome and i’m highly looking forward to them
July 6th 2012 @ 12:53pm
Hoy said | July 6th 2012 @ 12:53pm | Report comment
Surely take more than losing the Bledisloe to drop the AB rankings wouldn’t it? They drop two games and go from being 1 by a country mile with win/loss ratio in the 80s% isn’t it, to 2 to a country with about a 57% ratio? I know the rankings are crazy, but that can’t be right.
July 6th 2012 @ 3:52pm
Kuruki said | July 6th 2012 @ 3:52pm | Report comment
Mate it’s something crazy like that. We don’t earn bugger all points for winning games because we are already on top yet when we lose a game the gap closes dramatically.
July 6th 2012 @ 12:09pm
formeropenside said | July 6th 2012 @ 12:09pm | Report comment
I like how Deans getting to a 1 from 5 Bledisloe record will be enough to save him from the chop. This is, of course, the Wallabies best shot in a while – a 3 rather than 4 test series, and 2 of them at home, with one at Fortress Suncorp.
July 6th 2012 @ 12:15pm
kingplaymaker said | July 6th 2012 @ 12:15pm | Report comment
Sorry fos that’s one of the most unreasonable arguments I have ever read on here.
If someone wins the Bledisloe Cup, presumably Rugby Championship, and therefore takes the team to no 1 in the world then he doesn’t deserve to be coach? You’ll clutch at any straw to attack Deans it seems.