Growing Origin impact on top NRL clubs
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Administrators must urgently re-think match scheduling during State of Origin to lessen the impact on NRL clubs providing elite players to the series, according to selector and former Queensland great Gene Miles.
However, the former Brisbane skipper remains opposed to extending the season to accommodate stand-alone Origins on weekends with club games suspended.
NRL heavyweights Melbourne and Brisbane continue to pay a steep price for handing over their stars to Origin duty while clubs with limited involvement, Canterbury and South Sydney, are flying towards the finals.
“I still think Origin should be played midweek,” Miles told AAP as its toll became even more evident after further weekend upsets.
“But there has to be a lot more thought given to clubs providing greater numbers to Origin playing the following weekend.”
“I love the tradition of midweek Origins and I don’t think we can afford to extend the season another three weeks.”
Brisbane and Melbourne have clashed for the past three years straight after brutal Origin games.
Clashes between both clubs and Manly have also lost some of their blockbuster attraction when Origin players have been rested.
“I know, emotionally and physically, it takes a lot out of you and probably a lot more these days,” said Miles who played 23 Origins for Queensland during the 1980s.
“They (administrators) have a rough idea of the core group of players Queensland have used over the last four or five years.
“They should take a good look at fixtures during that six to eight-week period around Origin when they do their season draw.
“Fans paying their hard earned through the gate want and should see the game’s superstars in action.”
The competition ladder has changed dramatically during rounds 11 to 21.
Melbourne, who provided big guns Billy Slater, Cameron Smith, Cooper Cronk and Dane Nielsen (for game three) have slumped from first to third with five successive losses.
The Broncos, who handed over six stars — five of them forwards — have slipped out of the top four, losing four of their past six games, including Monday night’s embarrassing 42-22 defeat to last-placed Parramatta.
However, Brisbane chief executive Paul White said the Broncos didn’t want to use their heavy involvement in the Origin series as an excuse.
“We handled it (Origin) well last year and we probably should be doing better,” he said.
“I know the league are constantly reviewing it.”
Cronulla are battling to recover from Paul Gallen and Todd Carney playing Origin.
Gallen pushed himself with a bad knee injury to play Origins II and III while Carney’s confidence wasn’t helped by a gut-wrenching 21-20 game-three series loss.
Results of teams during Origin highlight the toll the intense series takes on players.
In a 10-week period when 20 competition points were on offer, Melbourne picked up just eight and Brisbane 10.
By comparison, the Bulldogs, with only Josh Morris involved in the interstate series, scored a perfect 20 points with eight straight wins and two byes to charge from seventh to first five weeks out from the finals.
South Sydney, who had only Greg Inglis and Dave Taylor contest Origin, were the other big movers, climbing from sixth to second with 16 points in the same period.
© AAP 2013Ladder (11 rounds) Ladder (21 rounds)
1 – Melbourne (20 pts) Canterbury (32 pts)
2 – Brisbane (16) South Sydney (30)
3 – North Queensland (14) Melbourne (28)
4 – Manly (14) North Queensland (26)
5 – Cronulla (14) Brisbane (26)
6 – South Sydney (14) Manly (26)
7 – Canterbury (12) Cronulla (25)
8 – Wests Tigers (12) Gold Coast (22)
9 – Warriors (10) Newcastle (22)
10 – Newcastle (10) Wests Tigers (22)
11 – St George Illawarra (10) St George Illawarra (22)
12 – Canberra (10) Warriors (20)
13 – Sydney Roosters (10) Canberra (20)
14 – Gold Coast (8) Sydney Roosters (17)
15 – Penrith (6) Penrith (16)
16 – Parramatta (4) Parramatta (14).Big movers:
Canterbury 7th to 1st
South Sydney 6th to 2nd
Gold Coast 14th to 8th.Big Losers:
Melbourne 1st to 3rd
Brisbane 2nd to 5th
Cronulla 5th to 7th.Number of Origin representatives during the 2012 series:
Brisbane – 6
Manly – 5
Melbourne – 4
North Queensland – 4
St George Illawarra – 4
Gold Coast – 3
Penrith – 3
Cronulla – 2
South Sydney – 2
Newcastle – 2
Canterbury – 1
Parramatta – 1
Sydney Roosters – 1
Wests Tigers – 1
Canberra – 1
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August 1st 2012 @ 1:49am
Johnno said | August 1st 2012 @ 1:49am | Report comment
-Whateva the result of this club footy must come 1st, club footy pays the bills and player wages. Soccer puts club footy 1st , rugby is doing that more and more in europe french rugby. But NRL pays the bills not origin.
-Alex ferguson at man united gets very annoyed at FIFA dates at times and some of the international timetable as it stuffs with his star studded man united and champions league ambitions.
-And same in NRL why as a sponsor , an investor, and as a head coach have your reputation damaged by weakers results coz of origin getting in the way. Where is compensation to the coaches and the club, and sponsors from the gravy train of origin.
-AFL dont do it and it has helped them. Maybe make origin at end of season and make the world cup the major test match format , and have origin in the year during the year during world cup years. World cup should be the pinnacle and winning a NRL title.
-Or just scrap origin altogether. Yes scrap state of origin all together. It does more harm than good on so many levels.
-If rugby league is going to market itself as a global sport like soccer, or rugby, or basketball, or water polo , the pinnacle of it’s sport should not be a series between just 2 states in OZ. You heard it just 2 states.
-So much for the word NRL-national rugby league. It makes a mockery of the word NRL.
-Where as at least if ARL were to bring back state of origin they include all states and most terrories so live up tp there name AFL.
-Craig Bellamy hasn’t said he doesn’t want origin scrapped or at least not publicly but he advocates stand alone weekends as he had noticed he said how many of his storm players have been flat after origin. Plus all the kiwis for me is making a mockery of it 2.
-So maybe scrap origin and have test series vs NZ 3 test series or 1 off test. And if the NRL must have state of origin at end of season.
-You have to remember come 2005, entering the 2006 series there were genuine fears for the origin concept as NSW too dominant and just 2 states, but it was saved as QLD won in 2006 and only just won on the bell.
August 1st 2012 @ 9:19am
baldie said | August 1st 2012 @ 9:19am | Report comment
Well said, why is a kid growing up in Melbourne (or even NZ) ever going to choose to play rugby league when the greatest achievement they can aspire to in league is playing for NSW or QLD?
August 1st 2012 @ 11:11am
Dayer said | August 1st 2012 @ 11:11am | Report comment
I totally agree, Johnno …. make Test matches the pinnacle instead of SOO. What is the big fuss about SOO when it is going to be full of “aliens” in the future, so to speak. Make SOO stand alone and bring other REP games to fill in the stand alone weekend
August 1st 2012 @ 9:16pm
Briskat said | August 1st 2012 @ 9:16pm | Report comment
I guess you are all from NSW.
August 1st 2012 @ 7:29am
peeeko said | August 1st 2012 @ 7:29am | Report comment
i really dont think the impact is “growing” it hasnt effected sides like melbourne in the past. bronocs have won plenty of premierships with origin played this way. people looking for excuses
August 1st 2012 @ 9:42am
Blaze said | August 1st 2012 @ 9:42am | Report comment
Well sed peeko, wouldn’t be because melbourne aren’t cheating anymore or the likes of Lockyer and Bennett aren’t there to pull them out of the origin slump… Teams change as do eras… It’s just time for a few of these clubs that are used to winning all the time to get slapped by reality and get used to losing a few…. Other teams have been used to it for a while… (yes I was a magpie supporter)
August 1st 2012 @ 7:32am
Nafe said | August 1st 2012 @ 7:32am | Report comment
All your speel has done is show Origin is no Problem. Manly with more than Melbourne are going well. If clubs can recruit depth in their squad and not pay their top 3 half their cap then there is no problems.
Sued players like Gallen are the heart and soul of Cronulla but there has to be something at the club preventing someone else from stepping up.
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August 1st 2012 @ 10:07am
steve b said | August 1st 2012 @ 10:07am | Report comment
What a bloody joke extend the season by two weeks ,,spread the times between each game and make them stand alone weekends,, their is no other answer to make it fairer on players and clubs,,and forget about the people who say oh but only one game on the weekend ,,what are we going to do ,, go fishing do something with your family get a life !
August 1st 2012 @ 10:43am
turbodewd said | August 1st 2012 @ 10:43am | Report comment
Origin must be on saturday night. A dedicated weekend for it so the club games dont get utterly hidden. We need to slice a few rounds off the NRL regular season, 24 rounds over 26 weeks is too many. I mean it will let people party on saturday and not have to worry about working the next day. Also, this timeslot is schoolkid friendly.
It is worrying to see NRL crowds down badly this year. They can be improved so easily. One measure is to put Origin on a dedicated weekend.
I mean this year after Origin 1 Melbourne hosted the Broncos. How many Melb RL fans can we expect to attend Origin on wednesday then attend another game a few days later. The Storm-Broncos game was half ruined, no air time, no chance to attract fans. It should have gotten 20,000…it got far far less.
August 1st 2012 @ 11:03am
Matt F said | August 1st 2012 @ 11:03am | Report comment
I agree with the stand-alone weekend although the TV networks will ensure that it would be played on Sunday night instead of Saturday.
I’m sure they could create room for stand alone Oririn games without extending the season too much if they looked hard enough. Getting rid of the stand-alone Test match and City/Country weekend (or move the test to the end of the season) will clear one week and the fact that teams would get 3 weeks off with under stand alone origin weeks would mean that you could get rid of the two byes. Maybe give each team one bye so that the Origin players get at least one break in there somwehere. Wrost case scenario the season is extended by one week, which is reasonable.
August 1st 2012 @ 10:56am
peeeko said | August 1st 2012 @ 10:56am | Report comment
i do think origin could be played on a monday night, giving teams that have players backing up 4-7 days until their next game if they dont have a bye
August 1st 2012 @ 12:29pm
turbodewd said | August 1st 2012 @ 12:29pm | Report comment
Thats not a bad idea at all, Id want the previous saturday and sunday to be free of NRL games though.
August 1st 2012 @ 11:59am
Fivehole said | August 1st 2012 @ 11:59am | Report comment
Shorten the season – its too long now as it stands. AFL has it about right. NFL goes for quality over quantity – why not NRL?
August 1st 2012 @ 12:29pm
turbodewd said | August 1st 2012 @ 12:29pm | Report comment
Youre spot on. 20 rounds is probably the NRL sweet spot. Spread over 23 weeks with 3 gaps for Origin.
August 1st 2012 @ 12:30pm
tonysalerno said | August 1st 2012 @ 12:30pm | Report comment
Good article mate, some very good statistics that display a dower picture. The evidence is there- clubs are experiencing an origin hangover while sides less represented are taking advantage… although we all didn’t need statistics to tell us that; even blind freddy knew.
August 1st 2012 @ 2:27pm
Tony Archers Maroon Underwear said | August 1st 2012 @ 2:27pm | Report comment
Origin is a farce if you really have to have it, make it one game, on the same weekend as the ANZAC test and city country
The NRL needs to protect and promote the value of its premiership so as to become the ultimate sporting title in this country.
If I had my way id
Get rid of Golden Point
Get rid of Origin
Get rid of the salary Cap
Get rid of Monday night football
Get rid of byes
Get rid of high shots
Break the habit / association / dependence the game has developed on gambling
Bring back Reserve grade comp
Reduce season to 21/22 games its too long as is
Make it easier ($) for family’s to attend matches
Play Saturday afternoon games.
Teams
There should be at least two new and one less Sydney team. (Sharks Im thinking its you).
To be replaced by an additional QLD team (definitely not a Perth team yet) and either another NZ team or a Nth Coast NSW team
August 1st 2012 @ 3:29pm
Johnno said | August 1st 2012 @ 3:29pm | Report comment
TAMU i agree with all that origin is a farce and it is devaluing testy footy and club footy too. . , except i disagree with 1 point keep monday night footy. It does rate for foxtel and brings in money and the media networks fund the game so need that precious dollar$$$$. Sports betting has it’s place to just is so dependant on it right now. And poker mating tax hurts the clubs too. Reducing the season i agree with 2. Plus making NSW cup and QLD cup strong too. I want the nRL to go to super rugby style conference format more local derbies and have like 5 teams in QLD. 2nd brisbane team, and SE QLD eg rockhampton team. heck go 6 have 1 at Ipswich too.
August 1st 2012 @ 3:40pm
Luke M said | August 1st 2012 @ 3:40pm | Report comment
Agreed on pretty much all except getting rid of salary cap. I would like to see it modified a bit to see clubs rewarded for developing their own players and actually get to keep them. However, getting rid of it completely will give us the scenario of every major soccer league, where the same 3 teams are on top year after year after year after boring year and get richer and more powerful while smaller clubs just become feeder teams. If you dont have Pay TV it must already feel like this as Brisbane and St George get the Friday games week after week after week.
Don’t get me wrong, I love the English Premier League but unless you are a Man U, Man City or Chelsea fan you are just making up the numbers.
I especially agree with the gambling. Im sick and tired of being forcefed that idiot Munsie every freaking chance they can get. God forbid the NRL decides to have a twitter presence, im sick of hearing that bloody word!
August 1st 2012 @ 9:19pm
jdubya said | August 1st 2012 @ 9:19pm | Report comment
HA you are starting to sound like the QLDers after they lost 3 in a row.
BAN ORIGIN, WE DON’T LIKE LOSING
Origin is brilliant and as a New South Welshman I will keep coming back again and again for more punishment.
August 1st 2012 @ 3:38pm
NF said | August 1st 2012 @ 3:38pm | Report comment
Johnno I’m curious why do you care about RL all of sudden considering you got banned for saying various bad things about in the past which caused you to be banned. As for Origin, for all the good it does for ratings,etc is also causes harm to the NRL so it’s a double-edge sword pretty much.