Wallabies fans have very short memories

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    Robbie Deans is the best rugby coach on the planet. You would never know it after the whinging and whining since the Samoa Test, but Deans is the right guy to take us to the 2011 World Cup.

    Any objective rugby person knows that. It’s just that Aussie sporting supporters are a pretty impatient and emotional breed with very short memories.

    Let’s start by asking the obvious questions. What is wrong with these players? How can you get rolled by England and then put 60 points on France in Paris the next week? How many can spell ‘consistency’.

    With the exception of Horwill, Genia and Ioane, the form, attitude and application from the Wallabies this season (and last) has been awful. You would never guess a RWC was one month away.

    Giteau’s has been about ‘me me me’ for the last 12 months. Cooper looked like he had been listening to Khoder Nasser’s BS and completely lost the plot in Auckland. O’Connor, well I’ll tell you what I like about him- absolutely nothing. He looks to be a player who will suit himself first and foremost whether in his application to kicking duties, contract negotiations or ridiculous David Bowie hair.

    And then there is Elsom. Can it really be said that Deans should be responsible for Elsom not putting his hand up and saying, “I’m just not up to it.”

    Is it really Dean’s fault Cooper is prone to brain snaps and has the maturity of a 25 test player rather than a 95 Test player like Carter? Matt Giteau has tickets on himself and Deans didn’t attach them. Which brings me to my next point.

    What came before Deans? Remember Eddie Jones? He attached a big fat wad (of tickets) to Giteau. He also bored us to death with comments like, “73 percent of fifth phase ball goes through the 10/12 channel 19 percnt of the time.” What did Eddie win? Nothing.

    The Bledisloe has been lost for nine years. Deans has lost it for a third of that time after starting from scratch and rebuilding after the debacle in 2007 overseen by Connolly, a man who was more conservative with his selections than Sarah Palin is with her money box.

    Deans has made the tough calls in the past. He dropped Smith for Pocock when the decision was line ball. He’s dropped Sharpey twice. Sharpe is good 90 percent of the time, the other 10 percent he messes about like a disabled child employee at Maccas.

    He’s also given Beale a shot at 15, I have my doubts about this call but Deans has backed him and the back three to throw caution to the wind. Better than boring right?

    Yes, he has made a mistake with Elsom but any move to sack him one month before a RWC would be doing a Gillard on Rudd. Elsom should fall on his sword if he isn’t quite right.

    If he doesn’t and Australia are knocked out in the quarters, his reputation will be in tatters. Maybe that decision is a matter for better men than you and I. And I have no doubt Rocky is one of them.

    Let’s not forget what Deans has done for Aussie rugby. With a miniscule playing pool (compared to the other big four unions) we are more than competing. It isn’t a coincidence that Queensland won a Super 15 title while Deans was Wallabies coach.

    McKenzie certainly didn’t pull off that success at NSW or Stade Francais, at the time the best resourced club in Europe. Deans has got talents like Genia, Cooper, Ioane Beale and Mitchell playing what is in front of them. They are hitting the ball at pace but also letting the ball do the work. It’s called the basics. When the Wallabies get it right they are unstoppable (think France last year).

    It’s time to ask more questions of the players now. Deans is the man for the job. But are Cooper and co?

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    • August 12th 2011 @ 2:58am
      Sportym said | August 12th 2011 @ 2:58am | ! Report

      “How can you get rolled by England and then put 60 points on France in Paris the next week? How many can spell ‘consistency’.”

      To be fair, thats got nothing to do with the Wallabies, that is the Enigma known as the French team. Good chance the following weekend they would have beaten the All Blacks.

      Robbie Deans is the Best proven Coach at Super Rugby level. He has yet to deliver at test level. Do not forget he was part of the AB coaching staff 2003. Was it the 2003 Cattles fault too? It feels the wallabies are going down the same path as the 2003 ABS. Do not forget the Wallabies beat the ABs in 2003 and just lost to a Very good English side under Eddie Jones. Deans is yet to beat Eddie Jones win %.

      • August 12th 2011 @ 3:12am
        Will said | August 12th 2011 @ 3:12am | ! Report

        Fair point with the French but what about losing to Scotland and Munster right after pasteing England in 2009? What about beating NZ in Hong Kong and scraping past the Welsh in Cardiff the week later then losing to the English before hammering France? In my opinion, generation Y in that side get too ahead of themselves too often.
        The other thing to remember though is Eddie had Gregan and Larkham playing 100 odd tests in 2003 as well as huge experience to call on in Tuquiri, Rogers, Sailor, Burke, Cannon, Paul, Harrison and Smith. Many had won a RWC and a British Lions series.
        Eddie was the worse thing to happen to Australian rugby- took all the instinct and flair out of the game and lost a heap of momentum between 2004 and 2006. Undid all the good work between 1999 and 2003.
        The Wallabies aren’t heading down the road the 2003 All Blacks went down- the 2003 All Blacks won all but two tests in 2 years.

      • August 12th 2011 @ 5:54am
        Jerry said | August 12th 2011 @ 5:54am | ! Report

        “Good chance the following weekend they would have beaten the All Blacks.”

        Nah, the match wasn’t important enough. The buggers will wait till a WC knockout match….

        • August 12th 2011 @ 6:29am
          Dave said | August 12th 2011 @ 6:29am | ! Report

          This is why I’m happy France and NZ are in the same pool. If they jump up and beat us then we can still make the quarters. If we beat them then some other poor sods can cop them in the 1/4 final, e.g. England.

    • August 12th 2011 @ 3:15am
      Johnno said | August 12th 2011 @ 3:15am | ! Report

      How is he the right man for the job based on some of his selections he is the wrong man for the job.
      Rugby is different to cricket, it is a fast game that lasts 80 minutes. Captiancy is more important in test cricket for multiple reasons than rugby,.
      Horwill has captained most of year at reds. give him the job.

      • August 12th 2011 @ 6:31am
        Dave said | August 12th 2011 @ 6:31am | ! Report

        Not questioning your criticism of Deans but where the hell did cricket come into this?

      • August 12th 2011 @ 11:43am
        kiwidi said | August 12th 2011 @ 11:43am | ! Report

        do you think deans doesn’t know difference between cricket and rugby

        • Roar Guru

          August 12th 2011 @ 11:55am
          The Bush said | August 12th 2011 @ 11:55am | ! Report

          I’m starting to wonder if Deans knows anything at all…

    • August 12th 2011 @ 6:25am
      Darwin Stubby said | August 12th 2011 @ 6:25am | ! Report

      Thanks for the rant Mrs Deans

      • August 12th 2011 @ 6:34am
        Red Rooster said | August 12th 2011 @ 6:34am | ! Report

        Yeah i am with you Darwin – I thought either Robbie was bored in SA or his Mother was unhappy with the spin of late.

        I actually thought the article was tongue in cheek.

        wre01 – you are clearly not close to the game in any capacity as any remote contact with the players at the professional level would reveal exactly what is and isn’t going on – try doing some research before you try you hand at a comment piece

      • Roar Guru

        August 12th 2011 @ 8:32am
        M.O.C. said | August 12th 2011 @ 8:32am | ! Report

        Damn, DS, you stole my line…the author must be from Canterbury though.

        • August 12th 2011 @ 6:50pm
          Will said | August 12th 2011 @ 6:50pm | ! Report

          Red Rooster/ MOC

          I’m not from Canterbury or Robbie Deans in disguise. I am, however, sitting in London away from the Australian media hype that inevitably whips up a frenzy of coach hate to sell papers without taking an objective look at things. It’s pretty easy to sell papers to arm chair critics with little knowledge of the game.

          The fact of the matter is that Deans has, from the ashes of 2007, taken the youngest side in Wallaby history and put 31 points on the Boks in Bloemfontein in 40 minutes. He’s beaten the AB’s once and taken them very close on several other occasions. What they did to France in Paris caused a huge swell of admiration for how they played the game of rugby in the northern hemisphere (something unheard of before under Connolly, Jones and even McQueen).

          The point of this article was that it is obvious the players, when they put the coacking staff’s plans into practice, can be world beaters but it is up to Elsom and Cooper to pull their fingers out and steady the ship. If you, Mr Red Rooster, are close to the players and understand “what is and isn’t going on” please enlighten us? From where I stand, I see a bunch of talented kids that are mentally soft and distracted by the feminisation of society- tv adds, high profile girlfriends, hair styles and contract negotiantions where a man’s word doesn’t mean anything anymore…

    • August 12th 2011 @ 6:28am
      Who Needs Melon said | August 12th 2011 @ 6:28am | ! Report

      Unlike player and captain selections, it IS too late to change coach now. But, as I wrote under a different post yesterday and as you alluded to, Deans seems more of a ‘talent developer’ than anything else – taking young blokes and working with them over time to turn them into better players. He doesn’t seem like a powerful motivational communicator in the style perhaps of Alan Jones. And I have neither seen nor heard him or anyone else describe any astute tactics taken into a game.

      A ‘talent developer’ style might be great as coach of a club team (like the Crusaders) where you get to work continually with guys for weeks and months at a time and over a period of years. But it is not so useful a trait if you are (only) coach of a national side.

      • August 12th 2011 @ 9:26am
        Behind Enemy Lines said | August 12th 2011 @ 9:26am | ! Report

        Well put

    • August 12th 2011 @ 6:33am
      sheek said | August 12th 2011 @ 6:33am | ! Report


      I liked a lot of what you said.

      However, the natives will be restless & agitated when they read your piece…..!

    • August 12th 2011 @ 6:33am
      Johnny-boy said | August 12th 2011 @ 6:33am | ! Report

      Is that you Greco Roman ? Surely

      • Roar Guru

        August 12th 2011 @ 11:57am
        The Bush said | August 12th 2011 @ 11:57am | ! Report

        My first thought is that it’s a gee up too…

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